Pantorouter and Accessories
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- More important information about the pantorouter:
There were about six weeks between me recording this video and day I published it. In this time frame, a few things have changed about the pantorouter. For example, the transparent acrylic template holder will no longer be sold. Instead, there will be the aluminum one that I showed at the end of the video. I've also already used it and it works great.
Links for the pantorouter:
How it works and where to get one: www.hybridpanto...
For the US: hybridpantorout...
Calculating the follower size: woodgears.ca/p...
The router I got for it is the AEG 1400KE
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Enjoy the video!
The plastic (red) templates are tapered. You can tweak the size by moving the bearing in and out.
Nickolay Pelov
Thank you for your initial impression video!
We are the distributor for North and South America for the PantoRouter and have a slightly different configuration for our packages. We no longer ship the acrylic template holder and the older style red plastic templates with our PantoRouters and therefore no longer the 21mm guide bearing. All of our new templates work with the 22mm, 15mm, 10mm, tapered 10mm and 6mm bearings provided in our packages.
Our router mounts here have a slot for the router pins to slip through, and those sent for the AEG routers will have the same slot very soon. We supply router mounts for the Porter Cable 890 series routers, but they're not available in 220V so the AEG mounts are required outside the US, Canada and Mexico. By the way, the same AEG routers are sold in North America at Home Depot under the Ridgid brand but only in 110V.
If we can assist or answer any questions for anyone in North or South America, please visit our website at www.hybridpantorouter.com or send us an email info@hybridpantorouter.com.
We also have a UA-cam channel with numerous guidance videos and we're adding more every month.
Thanks again, and Happy PantoRouting!
Mac
Another great video, Marius. I wish more UA-camrs took the care you take with what they publish - you're spoiling us with this production quality.
Thanks, I appreciate that!
Just love the fact that you know you're gonna use it and therefore you make immediately your accessories and gizmos. I just think watching clever dudes sort things out is a great use of my UA-cam time.
Really pleased you got a "no strings attached " gift.
Great video, as always, Marius. Thanks.
I like many others found your channel after being a patron of Mathias for a very long time but would like to say that after seeing your videos have still not gone back to his videos, you create awesome videos, thanks for keeping me interested in woodworking videos Marius
Sounds like Kuldeep is very confident about his product, and he knew you'd be all over it as soon as you got it. ;-)
you have an amazing mind to problem solve and come up with the solutions that you do. I think my favorite part of your videos is watching you come up with something unique that is often times better than the manufactures. I enjoy your videos and look forward to the next ones.
Marius, best pantorouter demo i've seen yet! Also, your mods to the sliding frames and outfitting most all sizes in advance just to be prepared for possibilities is brilliantly! Thanks for doing the video.
Matthias Wandel did a great job in designing the original. You were given a $2,000 machine...what a great gift!
Why does everyone hate on manuals? I love manuals. I learn a lot of cool things from them and some really important things too.
I like the idea of the follower set. I think that the manufacturer should offer something like that as a kit. I would also think that making templates with a steeper taper would be helpful.
Really nice work Marius!
Marius nice video, they picked well in choosing you to demonstrate the Pantorouter. Very nice machine Matthias came up with. Look forward to many projects that will be made.
Probably already been said but you can adjust the size of the tenon by moving the bearing forward on the template. That's why they are tapered. Nice video!
The templates have a taper on them so you can fine tune the size of the cut by moving the follower in or out.
We have exactly that router kit, but Ridgid branded for the North American market. It's awesome, the motor is whisper-quiet, which is unique in my experience.
Very entertaining Marius, and adds to my understanding of how it works. I've seen quite a few videos of the original wooden version, and the prototype aluminium one, but never really understood the sizing system of the followers.
Congratulations Marius! Friend You joined the band of an innovative and endless practical machine that I have come across and pride to own a pair. I say every penny is worth for its performance that you'll never regret. Happy innovating I will be waiting for your future videos as now you cannot resist. All the best.
I mean I guess a lot of viewers find you through Matthias Wandel or know his channel as well, but maybe not all, so it would have been nice to mention him as the inventor of the pantorouter....
but a nice video as allways, nice butterfly mortisentenon
I look forward to seeing what projects you do with the pantorouter.
Smart move on Kuldeep's part. You will take the pantorouter to the next generation and I mean that in two ways.
Appreciate your honest words in the beginning! Pretty rare unfortunately. Thanks for that
Very cool that you have your own pantorouter! Can't wait for you to explore it's capabilities. Looking forward to it!
Other woodworkers have got this Christmas some black and yellow tools from Santa. It looks like You have been even better child this Year, because You have got super-duper pantorouter :)
Ich mag die bloopers. Sie zeigen manchmal wie viel Aufwand man in ein Video stecken kann.
Stimmt und Marius aber auch über sich selbst schmunzeln kann.
Best moment .... HEEE, A MANUAL! Super!
Manuals are for people who cycle with helmets on.
$1800+ US. Router package with enough accessories to get started. If I was doing much of this kind of joinery (especially for profit) it looks like a very handy tool.
I saw that Steve Ramsay uses a teleprompter... Pls, Marius, dont even consider buying that thing because your "Outtakes" are great. :D It gives your videos a unique thing! :D
Hi Marius. With the heat problem, why dont you perferate the rim of the dust collector to allow the router to get more air? Great video. I have to get one. Thanks
I must admit this pantorouter is a very nice bit of kit l have been watching your latest videos and how you doing anything in your small workshop well sir l take my hat off to you nice videos
"What a coincidence?" *Tries to hide a huge smile*
:) I know. I'll get better at this
That was hilarious. Love your humor!
out takes right ?
hey I feel like this router is the same as the ridgid. I have one of those and we'll since the plunge base will probably start to get hard to use, a must fix you need for the router is to replace the bearing. the reason it gets too hot or fairly warm is friction. I replaced the bearing with a high speed and problem solved. hopefully gets you places.
The end of the follower should be straight. The template is tapered so you can adjust the thickness of mortises and tenons by following slightly further in or out.
how you learn English so well? You actually explain yourself pretty well.
I'm from Argentina (You know, The Pope and Lionel Messi are from here) and with my poor English I'm enable to fully understand you. so you may be proud of yourself xD
I learned the basics in school and got the practice from making my videos and watching a lot of English content. If you watch my older videos you can see how much I improved by practice.
Marius Hornberger My hat is off to you. Though I'm German descent, English is my first language and Spanish is my second language. You speak very well with a very good accent. I saw a comment in an earlier video from a Spanish speaking person about not understanding you. I was surprised at that comment because you speak so well. Thanks for your vids. They have been inspiring and provoke ideas. I look forward to seeing more.
Hiepiefusaro: Es igual in cualquier según idioma. La clave es para practicar. A mí, para aprender mejor el español, las telenovelas me ayudan a ver. Se puede aprender mejor el idioma en una forma mas del uso entre la cultura hispana que no puede aprender en una clase. ;-). Ayuda también para vivir en una area mezclado con hispanos como aquí en el sur de los EEUU que puede platicar en el según idioma.
Love your style of videos, hope you keep making them based on that alone - plus the projects are always cool too!
1:49 "aha :D a manual!" Ones like this are ones of the reasons why I keep watching his videos lol
Keep an eye on the router too, you know what carpenters say about AEG:
A-uspacken_E-inschalten_G-arantiefall ;-) (Unpacking- Switch on- Warranty case)
Of course it has some nice features- no offense.
I do like the butterfly join!
Lucky man. Hard work pays off. I'm happy for you. Also, this was my favorite outtake! Thanks for sharing friend.
I love your videos! I wonder how many hours of raw footage you make to make a final 15 minute video like this one?
A lot. I can only tell you in file size, though. 21 GB for this one.
Hi mate. That is a very nice chrissy "present". I think you have earned it. You have a good style of presentation and are clear on what you want to achieve. Well done. You are doing better than a lot of established English channels. Ie. no waffling on.
I think that it's time to bother Papa for some more space and get a little tool room lathe. You would do well on it, I'm sure. You most likely won't need a big machine, although the bigger the better, just one that serves your needs. You just have a look at what your countryman Stefan Gotteswinter (youtube) is able to do on his modest machines.
Well done mate.
Thanks! Yeah, the lathe is probably the next tool to come. Fortunately my dad wants one too :)
A non review that turned out to be a most excellent "non"review Marius. A good job done well : ) You do know that your viewers won't mind if the video's are not absolutely perfect, don't you. By the way, your English is fantastic !
Thanks!
That is the same router as the ridgid. They must make it for a few different brands.
Shop built aeg seems to be the name for their 220/240V range. It's the same here in Australia
Both are TTI companies, who also own Milwaukee, Ryobi, and a few others.
According to Wikipedia TTI produces power tools for Ridgid but doesn't own it.
Its the same router, just ridgid is the 120v version, while the AEG is a 220/240v version. I've got both, but the AEG works better for me. The electronics inside uses mains AC frequency for timing, so although I can run a voltage dropper for the ridgid, I can't change the frequency, and the motor is never running at full efficiency thanks to it, and overheats after serious use
Marius. I think you missed the point of the slope on the templates. They are sloped so you can finely adjust the size of the tenon by moving the follower in and out. (I know it's sloped from injection moulding draft angle also)
Yeah, I could have included that. I was more focused on including that slope to my own followers, so I'd have the fine tune feature for every possible template.
Another great video and product demonstration. I will have to put this one on my list! Thanks for the video
Neat tool. NOt sure if I would have a use for one with the projects I do, but, thanks for sharing this device!
Nice fit, not too tight, not too loose, it is just right
If your tenon fits too snug, the adhesive will keep the pieces from fully seating unless you cut a relief grove in the tenon. My sloppy fitting mortise and tendons never fail, thanks to modern adhesives!
Very nice, I'm looking forward for your futur penta projects!
Your work and videos are Inspiring and thank you for the inspiration, good luck .
That router looks identical to the Ridgid that they sell in the US. I think they beefed up the collet nut because they would tend to break. I broke the nut on mine and it was tough getting a replacement. Home Depot customer service isn't great.
Peter Collin AEG and Rigid are the same tools but AEG are sold internationally. Rigid is only north America
Excellent purchase! Congratulations!
absolutely love it... but it is expensive!!! if you weren't given one to "not review" would you still fork out the money for one, or are the $$ better spent on other tools?
Is the bit not heating up because the router is heating up as you have blocked the air vents with the dust shroud? It looks like the dust shroud covers the vents completely which can't be good for the router...
Could you not out a couple of holes on the backside of the dust shroud to allow the dust collector to suck some cooling air through the router?
For your stops, you might want to make a hind get type stop that swings out of the way to access the next stop. Nice review though as always.
Pop. Very good.
@11:12.... second try. :-) I've been meaning to build one of these for two years now.
one point about the dust collector shield over the router motor vents, you need to cut out holes because the router has to breath if it can't your going to shorten the berings life by overheating as well as the windings on the motor .
you can not block off air flow, it would be like driving a car without coolant in it. its going to overheat and seize up.
on the motor the windings will swell up and or the insulation will burn off causing a short.
the motor has to breath. do what you can to fix it so it can get fresh air.
you are as good as Matthias Wandel...:D Joking, You are very professional
Geat video! I do love me some out takes!
Wow really nice they sponsored you!
Great video!
You are too polite, sometimes a man should yell like there's no tomorrow XD
For now, I only do that off camera
Time for Marius to expand.Buy a metal lathe.. :)
that is Matthias Wandel design. nice!
Como hago para comprar un ejemplar con plantilla para puertas de perciana mi correo es jorgeramirezmoreno6 @ gemail .com Saludos del Perú.
Thanks Marius
I see this is video is kinda old but just in case you still check for responses, I'm wondering if you still like having the followers beveled? I just built a pantarouter and I think you were on to something really useful. It's odd so many posters seem to be constrained by the idea of only beveling the templates, as if it's somehow improper to be creative. It certainly seems easier to bevel a set of followers instead of beveling every shop made template.
Personally, rather than pulling the pin out of the router, I would have just filed a 'V' at the break in the pantarouter. This way the designed of the pantarouter can update his design to be more adaptable for all users. You gave the designer great ideas for improvement with the stops for example... why not add this one as well.
That was my first idea as well. But then the spindle lock switch would have been at the wrong position.
You probably have thought of this by now, but couldn’t you just have filed a small
slot in the Pantorouter mounting frames to clear the pin in your new
router.
That was my first idea, but removing the pin was easier and didn't damage anything.
Pentarouter is a very nice tool!
The Hexarouter is even better! ;)
i love your shop it looks great nice video..
I call it sponsored if you get something for 1k+ and have a use it condition. It's a great tool for if you have to produce a couple of same parts but it should never cost that much. I rather support M Wandel by buying the Plans even if you can build it without.
Big Congratulations on getting the Pantorouter!!!
I'm sure you will be using it a lot. I think he sent you so many accessories because he knows your work and thinks you will be using most of them.
I know you said you made a lot of the followers for the templates (excellent work) because you just wanted to have them so they would be there when you needed them.
However, I'm curious why you needed to make "so many sizes" rather than the ones you would commonly use? For example I try to use 3/8" on 90% of my mortices. I seldom make 1/4" or 1/2" but would make that size also. So there are three. But you made 10 or more (I think). Just curious?
Looking forward to the projects you will use the Pantorouter on!
As I said in the video. When I make custom templates I never have to think about their size again.
just bought one but I love the light on your router. tell me about the router you used!
What I want to know is where are you going to put the Pantorouter? Is there a build video in the pipeline for a stand or something for the newest addition to your shop? Thanks for producing such quality videos, your channel is at the top of my favorites list.
A PantoRouter stand is pretty much what I'm working on right now.
YaY!
Looks great, it wouldn't be a Marius Hornberger video without some tweaks to a new tool in the shop. :) That is a very expensive router - what were the reasons for choosing this one - was it purely its ability to fit in the pantorouter?
yes, there's no router in Europe, (that's cheaper) that would fit the pantorouter.
Is the front vent for the router blocked by the dust collector?
You obviously know what you are doing, I would have had some apprehension about removing that little pin. Generally I don't think manufacturers install parts with no real purpose, but apparently it was just a guide pin. I was waiting for something to fly apart, or back out.
Aren't the tenon templates tapered for micro adjusting? Swear Mathias showed this
4:07 That voice-crack though XD
Adorable 😍
Great vedio. Enjoyed all so far, keep up the good work.
You do realize that the slope on the template is so that you can adjust for fit by moving the follower in and out right?
yes, that works if the fit is close. with the wrong follower size to begin with it won't help.
Are the holes in the front of the router for airflow? Maybe the motor runs too hot now because the dust shroud blocks the airflow and the heat of the overheating motor then transfers to the router bit.
Hallo Marius,
schönes Video zum Pantorouter. Ab und zu ist er in deinen Videos zu sehen, aber mir ist aufgefallen dass Du Schlitz und Zapfen auch mit Tischkreissäge und Samurai Router Jig (z.B Tisch für CNC-Fräse) herstellst. Was hat das für einen Grund?
Ich bin am überlegen den Pantorouter auch zu kaufen. Ist er deiner Meinung nach die 1250 Euro wert, oder behilft man sich lieber mit anderen Vorrichtungen? (Für z.B Fingerzinken finde ich die Arduinogesteuerte Vorrichtung von Cosmas Bauer ziemlich clever).
Freundliche Grüße
Matthias
Is perhaps the router is heating up as the dust collector is blocking the bottom venting, or am I not seeing an air-path out the bottom?
thank you for responding
What measurement did you want it to be in the middle again? Great video as always, and i loved the outtakes:)
What exactly do you mean?
in the outtake you kept saying 'i wanted it to be 26mm in the middle' - cracked me up :)
Hallo Marius,
Ich wünsche dir ein gutes Neues,
du hast 3 Spiralnutfräser (Schaft 12) im Video, wo hast du die gekauft?
Wie bist du mit der Oberfräse zufrieden?
Grüße
Franz
Cool tool
is the blue light part of the router your using?
Thanks! I enjoyed that.
Great tool but it's just too pricey for what it does. And the amount of calibrating it requires is a huge project in itself. Wish it were a little less costly. And available locally.
What type of router bit is it? And where to buy it.
Thanks
Vladimir
Hey Marius i plan on using the same router, can i ask where you got the collets? BTW the shaft of the AEG is 92mm - not 89mm 3.5in which might be why it was such a tough fit
8mm and 12mm collet were included, 1/2" collet I ordered together with the machine at my local store that sells AEG. My pantorouter is made for 92mm. If it was for 89mm routers, then it would have been impossible to get it mounted.
Great video as always! Thank you! :)
Hammer Gerät, einfach nur geil
It looks like the dust extractor attachment is obstructing the air intakes that cool the motor of the router? If this is causing the motor to overheat, that heat could be travelling down the shaft and heating up the cutter?
Yes, that's it. If it's a problem I'll cut some holes in the dust shroud to allow for more air flow.
Seems like a lot of work when a simple dowel will work just as well.
You could sell template kits besides fine furniture. Dennis fro Minnesota
Hi Marius,
Thanks for the very nice video's. It's quite obvious you are studying engineering.
I was wondering if you realy got the panto router for free. Didn't you have to pay some import duty? I was charged about 300 Euro import duty, but maybe that's because I live in Belgium :-0
Could you have taken.the tightening hardware off the two brackets to allow the router to go in with pins?
no, the router clamps stay closed as you saw, even with the screws removed.
you coulg have left the pin in and just filed a "V" by the slot where you tighten the router in the pantograph.
That was my first idea as well, but I wanted to try pulling out the pin and it was quite simple.
Is AEG the German equivalent of ridged which is sold in the United States? That router looks similar to ones sold in Home Depot. Matthias wandel also did a review on the ridged router and found that is was a little bigger in diameter than other routers and that would explain the tight fit in the clamps of the pantorouter
Yes, it is the same. But the mounts are made for that size, though still very tight.