While the focus of this brief is weapons and sensors, the Spruance Class instituted an important engineering plant change. Prior to Spruance, main engines were 1200 psi geared steam turbines. Major repairs were made onboard and took multiple weeks to complete. Engine removal took a huge hull cut throuugh several decks. The Spruance LM 2500 gas turbine was designed to to be uncoupled from reduction gears and ride on rails from the engine room right up the stack. Took less than 8 hours and allowed off hull refurb and a ready reserve of engines. This evolution also eliminated boilers and all the related aux machinery.
Also the KIdd class destroyers also used the Spruance hulls and engineering but changed the focus from the specialized ASW mission to a more general purpose role. Also had extensive air conditioning and were originally ordered by the Shah of Iran, but undeliverable after the revolution in 1979.
Yup, I served on DD966, 965, and 964. along with GC-57 as a Gas Turbine Systems Mechanical engineer, with a specialty in oil & water. Fun times. But yes, the SpruCans, Ticos, and Kidds were all the same from the waterline down, well mostly the same. You always have some differences.
The slight difference from the SpruCans to the Ticos might be a result of the hull being slightly lengthed (4 feet) on the Ticos as well as having 5 feet more draft. Still, when the SpruCans got the MK41 VLS refit replacing the ASROC launcher, the fact the Ticos already had them by that time likely made made the converstion work easier to do. I wonder if the Burke class replacement will lengthen the hull back to where the Ticos were (improving the length to beam ratio and thus the speed thru the water on similar installed power) as the Burkes are more than 50 feet shorter than the SpruCans with 11 feet more beam (and the shorter length no doubt accounts for why they only fit a 32 cell Mk41 forwards instead of the 64 cell). Despite having 25,000 less shaft horsepower the Kidd's for example, at about the same full load displacement were some 10% faster.
@@DeeEight Good question. I was on the USS Hewitt when we were having the VLS system installed. As to my general observations on the workerbee engineering view point. The difference of four feet was pretty much just an academic slight to us in the lower decks, but you are right, the open space on the Tico Class is enough to feel. To us at the time, and when they started coming out. The Burkes seemed short and stubby. lol. Todays sailors won't get to see first hand on the speed and handling of gas turbine ships, right next to the old steam powered DD's that preceded us.
USS Hue City is significant for being the only US warship named for a Vietnam battle. When she was commissioned in 1991 someone had the bright idea to invite lots of USMC veterans of that battle to get together and attend the ceremony. Many of them hadn't been in touch with each other since the Vietnam War and it was really good to gather at a place where their service was being honored in such a momentous way. Many of the vets continued to gather every other year after that, and they managed to search for and wrap in more fellow vets each time. (Not easy considering the internet was only in its infancy in the early 90s!) Getting off a plane for one of those reunions, I saw my dad spot someone he fought alongside, and even though they hadn't seen each other in literally 30+ years they recognized each other instantly. Keeping those bonds going is important and the USS Hue City will always be held in high regard for catalyzing it in the first place.
I was an AEGIS computer tech, baseline 5 on Lake Erie 1998-2002. I recall being off the coast of Alaska once hitting some very rough seas. I had reason to go up to the bridge and yes, it was like riding a roller coaster.
Went through some rough seas a far bit off the coast of Florida on the Gettysburg when I went out to sea for the first time, was training to get qualified as helmsman at the time. Man that was fun
@@--Dani Ships wear out. It becomes increasingly costly to maintain them. You usually get about 30 years of service out of them if you do proper maintenance. Lake Erie is now 29 years old so there is not much life left in her.
@@justinhall3243 understood, why take all of that capability out of service without a direct replacement though, I'm sure the hull and other things need to be fixed and updated, would make sense to me to somehow fix them until the USN has replacements, video that Aaron did about the 27-28 window makes me even more nervous about the scale and timing of our fleet build out. Let's face it we need ships to keep peace in SCS, seems to me like a long drydock would be a great stop gap solution until they do have a replacement. Dman that stupid LCS, scrap every one of those plus stop building them so they can afford to keep Ticonderoga around longer. My two cents, after watching this it sure seems like a very capable ship even in 2022 and beyond.
I was able to board one of the Russian ships during that war game in 1995 when I was a kid at Pearl Harbor. My step father was stationed on the the Ingersol, DD990 a Spruance class destroyer and they were made to leave Pearl for a few days as the Navy only wanted the most modern ships in the fleet docked for when the Russians pulled in. A friend of ours who was on a Ticonderoga (I can't remember which one) took me with him while in his dress whites and we were allowed to board and tour one of the Russian ships that was there for the war game. I was 12 at the time. We traded a bunch of stuff with the Russian sailors, I still have some coins and and ribbons and our navy friend traded hats with one of them. I even got to sit inside the forward main gun which was cool. Will never forget that day.
The Ticos are one of my favorite ships of all time. Fell in love after reading Red Storm Rising, the description of their air defense capabilities captured my imagination
Same here, as a young lad reading Tom Clancy is definitely what made me a Military hardware nerd. I have probably re-read Red Storm Rising a hundred times without exaggeration.
I still have my hard copy. It does not run on my current laptop, but I did discover Steam does carry that game. Though be warned, it does have its bugs, with no expectations of any updates. Also, there is a modern remake in progress. They REALLY expanded upon the original, but it is not for the faint of heart.
@@tailgunner2 SEA POWER ? yeah i have it on wishlist on Steam, but no news for months now. JFC i too have it on Steam and on a CD somewhere. This days i get my RTS fix with Total War Warhammer.
@@drupiROM I thought the remake was simply named "Command" Heh, now I have to look it up. On a side note: I grew up with Silent Service, Strike Fleet, and Red Storm Rising for the C-64. I purchased "Cold Waters" (RSR remake) a few years a ago.
I just wanted to say that since USS San Jacinto is being decommissioned she would be a GREAT candidate for donation as a museum ship for the State of TEXAS and could be ported side by side with USS TEXAS when she is done with her refit. THAT would be a great museum and would be great for teaching civilians about our Modern NAVY.
I was trained in torpedo maintenance as an electronics technician in the RAN. Extra pressure on the launch of the torpedo means absolutely nothing. Worst thing is if a surface combatant is relying on torpedoes then you are in deep trouble.
Some corrections... - SM-2 Block II improved the ECCM... Electronic Counter-CounterMeasure, not the ECM. - Chaff is pronounced like Ch-ah-F, not like Chafe. - You multiplied the Harpoon weight by 10 when reading it out loud. - The Mk46 torpedo weighs 508 pounds complete, the warhead is only a little less than 97 pounds. - Mk50's are not the '46's little brother except in terms of development timeline as it weighs more than 50% more, has a slightly larger warhead, a third greater range and better than 50% increase in maximum diving depth and was designed specfically to deal with deep diving, titanium hull soviet submarines. THe engine isn't a battery, its a closed loop chemical reaction producing a LOT of heat and steam to drive the pump-jet. - The Phalanx 20mm CIWS... switched from DPU (which for the US government, which has a LOT of nuclear reactors which depend on enriched uranium as fuel with depleted uranium being one of the byproducts of that enrichment process, is actually exceedingly cheap compared to what Tungsten alloys costs to produce) to Tungsten out of environmental concerns about polluting the oceans with a projectile that is still mildly radioactive and might be injested by marine life that could get into the food chain consumed by humans. There is no program to fit SeaSparrow missiles to Phalanx systems. Perhaps you're confused by the SeaRam system which combines the radar dome and sensor fit of the Phalanx Block 1B with an 11-cell launcher for the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile system instead of the 20mm gun (and is fitted to things like all the Independence class LCSs) and is called SeaRam to differentiate it from the regular RAM launcher which has no onboard sensors of its own to detect and track incomming threats. - All US Navy ships which have a Phalanx have had them upgraded to the Block 1B standard including those of the remaining Ticonderoga class cruisers as of the end of FY2015. - SH-2 Helicopter...the Sea SKua anti-ship missile has never been in US Navy service at all. The Maverick, Hellfire and Penguin missiles were never carried by US Navy SH-2s though they are options on export models. Most of the details you prattled off were systems of the later SH-2G variant which didn't get introduced to USN service until 1993. The earlier SH-2F had completely different sensors, engines, rotors, etc.
Magnificent response, from no doubt, hard won knowledge. It is thorough, diligent and it would seem, probably quite accurate. It is Posts like this that restore my faith in humanity. Best post of the week for Me - you get a free ice cream! (except you will need to pay for and purchase it yourself) :)
@@ricardobimblesticks1489 Appreciate the scrutiny, and notification of possible transgression, but I was not looking for an Idom[sic], but merely using the term "prattled" as in past tense of "prattle" which google defines as "talk at length in a foolish or inconsequential way.", which you may find is correct usage, preceding the word off, in its original context, but thanks any way, best wishes, Oscar :)
@@oscargoldman85 OP used the term in their correction. I find a modicum of humor in correcting corrections... kudos btw :D I have a tendency to prattle on so I won't rattle off a list of other things that amuse me :)
Thanks! Aaron thanks for doing these briefs. As an Aussie kid in the 80’s & 90’s was so inspired but this ship. In 1988 I did a deck tour of the USS Missouri and the memories still are vivid. And I still have the hat.
1:02:50, the reason the floatation was taken off is because it didn't work. If you think of it like a ship, the bottom of the helicopter is a very small "hull" area and the heavy weight of the engines and rotor are positioned high up on the craft. The center of gravity being so high up means that the chopper flips over and capsizes faster instead of floating if buoyant force is added to the bottom.
Loved this one! It featured many of the "big ones" I guarded as a young Marine at Mainside, Naval Weapons Station Earle, where the MK 45 & 46 fishes, ASROC, SUBROC, Harpoon, and some of the very first Tomahawks were maintained and serviced. I do have to say that I can "neither confirm nor deny the existence of Nuclear or Special Weapons at this facility". But yeah, all the Navy Techs wore dosimeters. "Join the Marines. Travel to far off exotics lands and meet new and interesting people." And I got stationed in Colts Neck, New Jersey. Jk, loved the duty.
If the US ever decides to build a couple of new models of these from scratch I would recommend they use the hull designs from Baltimore-class heavy cruisers, all high-quality steel with laminated kevlar, you can have more missiles, torpedoes and guns on, plenty of room for tech, and it would be more stable sailing platform,
As a youngster I allways thought of the Tigo to be a modern day battleship, you just confirmed my young suspicions of that! Awesome brief! Keep em coming!
Naw the tico is no more than a cruiser the closest thing Moder day navy’s have to a battleship is the Russian battlecruisers of the kirov class not a single ship today has the firepower AND armor protection of a battleship
You missed the Normandy’s deployment to Haiti in 2010 though it may not be considered a deployment because it was preciously less then 30 days (twenty nine and a half if I recall). Those with families were not amused. We called it Operation Haitian Vacation. There was also a bunch of little things in 2011 and 2012. Fleet week in Miami, Crabfest in Maine, and some event in Savanna. Baltops 2012 was really just a showing the flag tour including a stop in St. Petersburg.
2 things... 1, I have a migraine today, so being able to listen to this and only occasionally open my eyes to see pictures was perfect. Great timing! Second, I would love to see Ticonderoga in her launch configuration as a museum ship. I know it won't happen, but a girl can dream.
I've always loved the Ticos ever since I played a game called Starquest Online where the primary (space) ship was also called a Ticonderoga class and so I ended up learning a lot about the real ones as a result. Funny enough in that game I eventually was captain of the UAS Yorktown, a Ticonderoga class starship, so I have a special fondness for CG 48
I just wanted to say that since USS San Jacinto is being decommissioned she would be a GREAT candidate for donation as a museum ship for the State of TEXAS and could be ported side by side with USS TEXAS when she is done with her refit. THAT would be a great museum and would be great for teaching civilians about our Modern NAVY.
I visited the Lake Champlain underway as part of their visit to Seattle this year. Very impressed with the ship. MORE impressed with the Officers and Crew.
Correction to your slide. USS Leyte Gulf CG-55 was homeported in Mayport, Florida in 1988. I was a member of the Commissioning Crew, ETC(SW) USN Retired.
USS Norton Sound (AV-11/AVM-1) was home ported at Port Hueneme, CA. Ship was the test bed for many missile systems as part of the Pacific Missile Test Center (PMTC). USS Norton Sound was originally built as a Currituck-class seaplane tender and commissioned in 1945.
I stumbled onto your channel through this video yesterday and I wanted to let you know that your ship brief videos are both incredibly interesting and educational, thank you for offering us another fascinating channel subscription!
Fun Fact....The Gates (CG-51) did not escort the Ronald Reagan around the horn of South America. The sea state was so bad it forced us to go through the Strait of Magellan.. Also known as the most beautiful place I have ever seen on planet Earth. Roughest 3 days of my Naval life. 3 days of straight roller coaster at sea action. I was stationed onboard the Gates from 2002-2005. Managed to transfer to CSG-08/CTF-69 right before Katrina shortened the lifespan of the Gates and her sister ships there in Pascagoula.
Yet another excellent briefing. Good to know that these ships are out there protecting the Fleet from the DF21, SSN19 and their variants. I have fond memories of CG62 from Fleet Week in SF in the 90s.
As a former spy tech, I always love the "over 100" tracks at any one time. Can't say they're lying . . . but that's like saying airplanes fly higher than 50 feet off the ground.
It's what I call a "junque statistic". It is a meaningless statistic. That is basically a function of computer memory. When basic Patriot first became operational in 1984, battery fire control could track over 100 targets. But even *that* is misleading. If an aircraft is positively identified as "friendly", say by Mode IV IFF (special US military encryption), that aircraft can be flushed, or even ignored, from the track buffer, freeing up that slot.
I was onboard the USS Cowpens during her 2009 Vladivostok port visit for the WWII Victory Day celebrations (I was a Cryptologic Technician - Collections). I have so many stories about the infamous Captain Holly "Bligh" Graff. She was also the ship I qualified Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist onboard>
I just wanted to say that since USS San Jacinto is being decommissioned she would be a GREAT candidate for donation as a museum ship for the State of TEXAS and could be ported side by side with USS TEXAS when she is done with her refit. THAT would be a great museum and would be great for teaching civilians about our Modern NAVY.
You forgot to mention that during 2009(April 28) deployment in the Arabian Sea, the US Navy 69ed Iran by sailing CG-69 USS Vicksburg, DDG-69 USS Milius, and CVN-69 USS Dwight D. Eisenhower together while they were underway supporting the on-going rotation of forward-deployed forces to support maritime security operations and operate in international waters across the globe.
You should do a ship brief on the "Dead Admiral" (Kidd) Class DDG's. They were what the Spruance should have been from the outset. After they received NTU they were functionally the halfway point between the Virginia Class CGN and the Ticonderoga Class CG's. They continue to serve with the Taiwan Navy...
I served on two "Terrier" missile destroyers when I served in the Navy between 69/73 and a Radarnan/OS. My first ship was a Farragut class DLG, and originally carried the Rim-2 Terrier which was replaced by the Rim-67 Standard Missile sometime between 1970 and 1972. My second ship was a Leahy class DLG, and I believe she was equipped with Rim-67 when I reported for duty in 1972.
Congress decided the DLGN was not going to happen, and it is a shame. Fast Carrier Strike Groups would have been in our HiStory should we have built them. The Mk26 GMLS was a good system . . . however, the Mk41 VLS requires less maintenance, has fewer parts, and provides a greater density of weapons/area than the Mk26 GMLS. The Mk26 only fired an SM-2 without a booster. The Mk41 VLS enabled the Mk72 addition to the base of the Standard Missile providing SM-2 ER kind of range. You provided a great brief on the Standard Missile capability. Personnel savings through automation was significant. Huge debate about the reloading arms is going on in the Navy at present, but they had been removed in the past. Now that at-sea reloading is a requirement in our future in peer-to-peer engagements I suspect new reloading arm capabilities are in our future. At a minimum the SM-6 reloading capability will be the goal for re-arm at sea. The USN actually gave up ASROC manufacture for a time and the Japanese picked up the slack. ASROC is now back in the mix but it needs a range upgrade (VLS HAAWK package?). The mission change to Fleet Air Defense (home for 'Alpha Whiskey') was the biggest change. Even today in a degraded condition the CG-47 Class in any baseline is a force to be reconned with by any adversary. Concerning "Crash-back" exercises . . . in 90 seconds we could go from over 30 knots forward and come to a complete stop . . . and reach 10 knots going backwards. We usually steamed with on trail-shaft configuration with that prop feathered and maintain an SOA of 18 knots. Loved the torpedo review. There are those in the Navy that have just given up on torpedoes on surface vessels for the future. Expansion of the development/employment capabilities of the Very Light Weight Torpedo is needed. Please consider a brief on that construct. Having two (2) 5" guns is a real boost in capability particularly now that guided/powered rounds are coming out. There are multiple development activities for guided and powered 5" rounds and this is a program where initial investment is significant . . . however, the resulting product really increases lethality for the 5" gun out to a significant range at a huge cost savings per round when compared to missiles. There are guided 5" rounds that can perform missile engagement profiles. The Mk15 CIWS is quite the insurance policy for 'Leakers'. However, many are being replaced by the RAM/SeaRAM on many vessels, and the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile ( RAM) is a small, lightweight, infrared homing surface-to-air missile in use by the German, Japanese, Greek, Turkish, South Korean, Saudi Arabian, Egyptian, Mexican, UAE, and U.S. Navies. It was originally intended and used primarily as a point-defense weapon against anti-ship missiles. We never saw an SH-2 Seasprite Helo. The Tico came out with SH-60B Seahawk LAMPS Mk-III right out of the box. We could use their APS radar to extend out range on the surface. Today the MH-60R/S Seahawk is the primary bird on board, and we can carry two. The primary difference between the AN/SLQ-32(V)3 and the others is it has a motion base to provided a constant azimuth for the active components in the ECM. With todays electronic scanning antennas we no longer need to do that. The Aegis Combat System has multiple elements that coordinate to provide facilities needed in combat. There is a SPY radar section with special consideration for connection to the Fire Control System, Command & Decision manages consoles and displays and man-machine interface, and the Operational Readiness & Test System (ORTS) which monitors all systems (Built In Test Equipment). It is a primary troubleshooting tool for the Fire Control Technicians to monitor, troubleshoot, and verify the 'fix is in'. The SPQ-9B is the cat's meow for low altitude targets and fixed geo points. Many times we would track a fixed point for naviagetion backup. Concerning the SPY radar . . . multiple times I had aircraft doing a flyby across the fantail and I would run out on the flight deck to observe . . . and my little electronic Texas Instruments watch would reset to Midnight Zulu every time. We were putting out some power out . . . even in the sidelobes! The SQS-53 is quite the gadget, as is the SLQ-32. Between these systems and the SPY-1 radar we were maintaining quite the situational awareness. USS Ticonderoga (CG-47) was my home. We PRCOMED the ship and embarked the first staff units for AAW Commander. More than once we embarked CRUDESGRU/DESRON Commanders. Introduction of Aegis to the Carrier Strike Groups was a huge enhancement to capability, and that has been an improvement that is impossible to detail in this forum. I walked off Tico in November of 1985 and left active duty and entered the Reserves mostly in staff units. CSEDS was my next home for five (5) years as we tested and verified that cruiser/destroyer combat systems were solid as a rock.
I was on the Ike during the 06-07 deployment. During it, I got to spend 5 days on the USS Anzio. Best 5 days of my Navy career, no contest. I probably would have do 20 years in the Navy if I got to spend it on these cruisers. I tried to stay but they said I had to go back to the carrier, which sucked. Sad to see that ship is now decommissioned.
1:11:50 Enduring Freedom in 2001 was post 9-11 mostly Afghanistan action, not "...just another one of those post-gulf war operations where they're enforcing a no-fly zone."
For those wondering about the Hue City I don't think it's a secret but more like nobody really bother to explain it cuz it's pretty clear what happened to this one. It's the engines, a lot of engineering was seriously damaged during the fire however the worst part of it wasn't so much what was directly burned but what was overheated, AKA the engine, most of the surface damage from the fire was replaced drouing the 9 months repair, hell a lot of it was already good by the time it reached Port, and much of the internals were also replaced....much but not all, you see just like any other a ship engine has a maximum service life now with constant maintenance and a good source of new parts you can delay this until the point where the ship itself has become so obsolete that it really won't matter anymore the problem was the fire screwed everything up, you see a lot of parts from the engine cannot actually be replaced simply because of the size so while everything that could be done was done allot of the components simply had to stay, basically imagine if the engine suddenly got like 30 years worth of wear and tear, it worked fine for a while though it did require a lot more maintenance and had a lot more failures however this increased tremendously year by year to the point in 2021 where the engine reliability was so low on 2 engines and required such an exaggerated maintenance schedule on all 4 that it could not realistically be maintained in a war time or even serious deployment situation, and it was getting worse and worse. The only reasonable thing to do was to send the ship back to Port and literally cut its engines out and replace them with new ones, a process that as you can guess would have taken years if not half a decade or more and been ridiculously expensive, since the Ticos at large were already fairly outdated and being decommissioned en mass it was decided to send her to the eternal ocean in the skies where all good ships go one day, and replace her in her duties with one of the new Burkes being constructed, one that is supposed to implement some of the DDG(X) technology, although that is just conjecture based on timing.
Always wanted Canada (my home) to purchase about three of the Tico's as flagships, one in the Maritimes, one on the Pacific coast, and one in refit. However, given the current state of the Royal Canadian Navy, probably better that it never happened.
I would definitely rather see a few Tico's refitted for service in our allies navies rather than getting turned into razor blades :( I signed the petition to turn CG-47 USS Ticonderoga into a museum, but I think it was a lost cause from the beginning.
The USS Norton Sound had a long and colorful history as a special testing ship. As soon as you mentioned her name my ears perked up. She was involved in at least 2 secret nuclear related tests IIRC, including Operation Argus, when she launched a few nuclear tipped rockets over the south Atlantic to create some artificial auroras in the ionosphere in the late 1950s.
I was on a Unitas cruise in the early 80's. We were doing an UNREP with the Peruvian navy and I was almost killed. We were huddled in a passageway waiting for the padded shotline projectile when a UNPADDED SOLID STEEL SHAFT embedded itself in the bulkhead inches from my head!! When we got in port with her we walked over a half dozen PADDED projectiles for our own safety.
Jive, I love your stuff but I fear you missed the biggest feature of the AEGIS program. Prior to AEGIS, the T-bird fleet had no one person responsible for ship combat performance. In the past, surface combatants were designed and built by two Bureaus; BUSHIPS and BUWEPS. While this structure worked superbly in WWII with gun ships, the rapid changes in radars, missile systems, and related systems made the 'shared' process unwieldy and allowed cost considerations to dominate the combat system's performance because no one could or would make the case for combat performance. RADM Wayne Meyer was a graduate of the NPGS Systems Engineering (SE) course and he applied SE thinking to a combatant. AEGIS allowed combat system performance to fight against cost considerations. Fortunately, the "Surface Baron" fought the good fight and funded AEGIS, even when it was very difficult. VADM Jimmie Doyle (and his predecessor whose name escapes me) deserves as much credit as Meyer for keeping the fuel coming into the machine. Nuc subs had Rickover and Surface Combatants had Meyer, in my view. Keep the good stuff coming!
When you said "Did that make sense?" I nodded and almost said out loud "Uhuh!" like you were in a classroom teaching me naval lectures 😂takes me back to my JROTC days
The ASROC systems do not use the Mk.45 torpedo. The ASROC is designed to project a nuclear depth charge or a lightweight passive homing torpedo, originally the Mk.44, later the Mk.46 including the NEARTIP. The Mk.45 torpedo is a wire-guided, full-size torpedo (21", 3800 lbs and performance similar to the hydrogen peroxide propelled Mk.16), nearly the weight and length of the Mk.48. It is launched from torpedo tubes. It is wire-guided so that there is positive control of the torpedo in all phases of the engagement before the nuclear warhead is detonated by the fire control team. The Mk.45 was withdrawn in the late 1980s with the introduction of Mk.48 ADCAP. They were rebuilt as conventional wire guided warhead torpedoes (the Freedom torpedo) and provided to US allies. The picture shown was a live detonation of the nuclear depth charge.
I thought the total weight of the mk46 was 508 lbs and the warhead was only 97lb. In fact wasnt that a complaint about it mentioned several times in Red Storm Rising?
My uncle serve his 20 on Burke class destroyers as a tech for the aegis system, now he works for raytheon and still pends a bunch of time at sea with both the burkes and ticos
When you started talking about the AAW Weapons you used photographs of MK 10 launchers with the AN/SPG-55B Radar Directors in the background. This combination is called the Terrier Missle System. I know this because during my career I was a Fire Controlman (Missles)/ Control Technician and worked on the AN/SPG-55As and Bs, through Mod 10. After the Terrier Fleet was retired I retrained on the AEGIS Block 1 Computer Suite. And Retired off USS Princeton CG 59. May I suggest that you edit in captions identifying the differences. The MK 10 launched the much longer Missle / Booster combination not available with the vertically loaded launchers on the Baseline 0 ships.
Aaron, this was an amazing video! I learned a ton from this. Wish I could afford to join your supporters. I'll keep looking for the ones I can watch on the 'Tube.
I can't believe they had no Active stabs. Especially with that profile. First one I saw was when we were alongside in Italy. We and the Tico were Med berthed (stern first in case you don't know), so she was right alongside us. I was like a kid in a sweetshop. I got to take loads of photos and just walk up and down our stbd waste and gawk like a ship perv for hours! She was soooooo big and sexy! We have them alongside in Portsmouth dockyard a lot, but the one in Italy was a treat to see like that. Unless you are on a T45 Destroyer which take off like Ferraris as the have massive prop motors, don't race a Tico...or a Burke class! Badass ships.
Minor corrections. @41:00 Calling those detection gaps isn't quite right, more accurately they're ambiguity points. All pulse doppler radars have points of ambiguity that are a product of pulse repetition, but that doesn't mean targets in those zones aren't detected it just means that their range is briefly confused with another range. Similarly @45:48 Continuous Wave doesn't have anything to do with uptime, it just means the radars have *no* pulses. They only transmit straight out at the frequency they're built to.
They really need a system to speed the loading times of those rounds for the CIWS. 980 rounds... goes by quick. Even loading VLS for one ship takes hours.
Emergency Flotation Systems (EFS) are emergency systems installed on larger commercial and military helicopters in order to prevent the airframe sinking in the event of a crash landing on water. The floats may be packed within spaces inside the airframe or as externally mounted packs on the helicopter skids. The floats are inflated using gas stored in pressurised cylinders carried on board the helicopter.
Building a 1:350 Bunker Hill. So not covered in your commentary, I think, is the addition of the Mk38 25 gun for anti piracy work during 1990s. Also the changes in the funnels; sat links; deletion of the SPS 49; the addition of the Mk 53 Nulla decoy etc. Also the Harpoon from games I have noted seemed to be cannon fodder these days and I see several pictures of the class not carry out the Harpoon load. Pity that these platforms are being retired in the light of some of the cruisers that the Chinese now have. But overall I enjoyed your video.
2:02:46: The Persian Gulf and the Arabian Gulf are the *same* place. It just depends on who drew the map you are working from. The US (and Iran, of course) call the area the "Persian Gulf". The Saudis (go figure) call the same body of water the Arabian Gulf. 2:20:31: "Computer aided detection" also means that the computer can not only tell which class of ship it is tracking (relatively easy for even human ears), but tell which particular ship it is tracking if that ship sonar signature is stored in its library.
Excellent research into background and initial operations. Missed an opportunity to point-out or, devote a chapter into how the Navy bungled and/or misled Congress in it's cruiser modernization program over the last 10+ years. USS Gettysburg CG-64 went into this program in 2014....its just returning to the fleet but, for only another 4- years before retirement (!) Another missed notables: - Upgraded cruisers received SPQ-9B X-band radar, quite the combination with the SPY-1 - CG-70 Lake Erie captain kept a pet goat onboard, forced crew to care for and dress it up during events - CG-63 Cowpens, the navy had a female-version of Captain Bligh, removed due to 'cruelty and maltreatment' of ship's crew, look up Holly Graf. Cowpens has an unfortunately lengthy history of poor commands. - CG-59 Princeton, during its mine strike incident during Desert Storm, the TAO at the time was current CNO Micheal Gilday
6/2023: FYI:Battle of Leyte Gulf, Philippines (October 23-26, 1944), decisive air and sea battle of World War II that crippled the Japanese Combined Fleet. As always, your post is very educational, detailed and interesting. Best Regards and Thank You P.S. Why are there so many fires on these ships while in dry dock and undergoing maintenance? Seems to me that certain safety jobs are not being performed properly? This should not be happening.
Going to take a while to get through a 3 hour video, but since my kid heads to Yokosuka in a few weeks to serve on a Ticonderoga I'm going to need to watch the whole thing.
Awesome vid👍I appreciate time, effort n support that went into this Ticonderoga vid, from grow of Kidd n Spruance destroyers to Ticonderoga. Still believe there’s place for CG in today’s Navy I wish Australia had got 1 or 2 CG but crew size would be issued but could be manned by RAN n US Navy crew? Hope US does build CG replacement not more AB destroyers.
I just wanted to say that since USS San Jacinto is being decommissioned she would be a GREAT candidate for donation as a museum ship for the State of TEXAS and could be ported side by side with USS TEXAS when she is done with her refit. THAT would be a great museum and would be great for teaching civilians about our Modern NAVY.
I was there in Normandy in 1994 as part of the 4th Infantry Division at Utah for the commemoration. I saw her. Didn't KNOW it was her but knew it was a Tico!
Amazing. Love the work Jive. Would it be possible to do a video on the K-324 towed array incident in the 80s? I think I’d learn a lot more from you than the inter webs.
While the focus of this brief is weapons and sensors, the Spruance Class instituted an important engineering plant change. Prior to Spruance, main engines were 1200 psi geared steam turbines. Major repairs were made onboard and took multiple weeks to complete. Engine removal took a huge hull cut throuugh several decks. The Spruance LM 2500 gas turbine was designed to to be uncoupled from reduction gears and ride on rails from the engine room right up the stack. Took less than 8 hours and allowed off hull refurb and a ready reserve of engines. This evolution also eliminated boilers and all the related aux machinery.
Also the KIdd class destroyers also used the Spruance hulls and engineering but changed the focus from the specialized ASW mission to a more general purpose role. Also had extensive air conditioning and were originally ordered by the Shah of Iran, but undeliverable after the revolution in 1979.
During another life I fabricated at least a dozen parts for the LM2500 powerplant, that thing is a beast.
Yup, I served on DD966, 965, and 964. along with GC-57 as a Gas Turbine Systems Mechanical engineer, with a specialty in oil & water. Fun times. But yes, the SpruCans, Ticos, and Kidds were all the same from the waterline down, well mostly the same. You always have some differences.
The slight difference from the SpruCans to the Ticos might be a result of the hull being slightly lengthed (4 feet) on the Ticos as well as having 5 feet more draft. Still, when the SpruCans got the MK41 VLS refit replacing the ASROC launcher, the fact the Ticos already had them by that time likely made made the converstion work easier to do. I wonder if the Burke class replacement will lengthen the hull back to where the Ticos were (improving the length to beam ratio and thus the speed thru the water on similar installed power) as the Burkes are more than 50 feet shorter than the SpruCans with 11 feet more beam (and the shorter length no doubt accounts for why they only fit a 32 cell Mk41 forwards instead of the 64 cell). Despite having 25,000 less shaft horsepower the Kidd's for example, at about the same full load displacement were some 10% faster.
@@DeeEight Good question. I was on the USS Hewitt when we were having the VLS system installed. As to my general observations on the workerbee engineering view point. The difference of four feet was pretty much just an academic slight to us in the lower decks, but you are right, the open space on the Tico Class is enough to feel. To us at the time, and when they started coming out. The Burkes seemed short and stubby. lol. Todays sailors won't get to see first hand on the speed and handling of gas turbine ships, right next to the old steam powered DD's that preceded us.
USS Hue City is significant for being the only US warship named for a Vietnam battle. When she was commissioned in 1991 someone had the bright idea to invite lots of USMC veterans of that battle to get together and attend the ceremony. Many of them hadn't been in touch with each other since the Vietnam War and it was really good to gather at a place where their service was being honored in such a momentous way.
Many of the vets continued to gather every other year after that, and they managed to search for and wrap in more fellow vets each time. (Not easy considering the internet was only in its infancy in the early 90s!) Getting off a plane for one of those reunions, I saw my dad spot someone he fought alongside, and even though they hadn't seen each other in literally 30+ years they recognized each other instantly. Keeping those bonds going is important and the USS Hue City will always be held in high regard for catalyzing it in the first place.
As a Ticonderoga sailor I love that you are covering the class.
CG-52 Bunker Hill STG
Oh thats a good name for a ship.
Awesome. Can you tell what was your position, and job?
It was a crime not to cover it sooner!
Keep them around until date that their capabilities can be replaced the day they mot ball them. Cherrs
I was an AEGIS computer tech, baseline 5 on Lake Erie 1998-2002. I recall being off the coast of Alaska once hitting some very rough seas. I had reason to go up to the bridge and yes, it was like riding a roller coaster.
These ships seems very capable still, why are they decommissioning them?
Went through some rough seas a far bit off the coast of Florida on the Gettysburg when I went out to sea for the first time, was training to get qualified as helmsman at the time. Man that was fun
@@--Dani Ships wear out. It becomes increasingly costly to maintain them. You usually get about 30 years of service out of them if you do proper maintenance. Lake Erie is now 29 years old so there is not much life left in her.
I didn't know the coast of Alaska was in Lake Erie :)
@@justinhall3243 understood, why take all of that capability out of service without a direct replacement though, I'm sure the hull and other things need to be fixed and updated, would make sense to me to somehow fix them until the USN has replacements, video that Aaron did about the 27-28 window makes me even more nervous about the scale and timing of our fleet build out. Let's face it we need ships to keep peace in SCS, seems to me like a long drydock would be a great stop gap solution until they do have a replacement. Dman that stupid LCS, scrap every one of those plus stop building them so they can afford to keep Ticonderoga around longer. My two cents, after watching this it sure seems like a very capable ship even in 2022 and beyond.
3 hour ship brief? Yes please!
Right? This is some Drachinifel level stuff.
@@Drewmikola Like Drach's 5 minute ship briefs that end up being an hour and a half
Actually, I thought it was a bit long. I don't know that I needed a history of every ship of the class.
I'm saving it for wasting time at work!
@@alanwatts5445 you can always skip ahead
I was able to board one of the Russian ships during that war game in 1995 when I was a kid at Pearl Harbor. My step father was stationed on the the Ingersol, DD990 a Spruance class destroyer and they were made to leave Pearl for a few days as the Navy only wanted the most modern ships in the fleet docked for when the Russians pulled in. A friend of ours who was on a Ticonderoga (I can't remember which one) took me with him while in his dress whites and we were allowed to board and tour one of the Russian ships that was there for the war game. I was 12 at the time. We traded a bunch of stuff with the Russian sailors, I still have some coins and and ribbons and our navy friend traded hats with one of them. I even got to sit inside the forward main gun which was cool. Will never forget that day.
The Ticos are one of my favorite ships of all time. Fell in love after reading Red Storm Rising, the description of their air defense capabilities captured my imagination
Funny you say that. That’s what got my attention as well.
Same here, as a young lad reading Tom Clancy is definitely what made me a Military hardware nerd. I have probably re-read Red Storm Rising a hundred times without exaggeration.
@@MisterLongShot_Official lol exactly. The book I had started falling apart after a couple dozen read throughs. And it was a 713 page book or so!
@@FromGamingwithLove0456 the audio book on Audible isn't too bad, I listen to it maybe once a month 🤣
Y'all should check out Dale Brown books
Man, i really want a Jane's Fleet Command 2. This videos bring back nostalgia from more than 20 years ago.
I still have my hard copy.
It does not run on my current laptop, but I did discover Steam does carry that game. Though be warned, it does have its bugs, with no expectations of any updates.
Also, there is a modern remake in progress. They REALLY expanded upon the original, but it is not for the faint of heart.
@@tailgunner2 SEA POWER ? yeah i have it on wishlist on Steam, but no news for months now. JFC i too have it on Steam and on a CD somewhere. This days i get my RTS fix with Total War Warhammer.
@@drupiROM I thought the remake was simply named "Command"
Heh, now I have to look it up.
On a side note:
I grew up with Silent Service, Strike Fleet, and Red Storm Rising for the C-64.
I purchased "Cold Waters" (RSR remake) a few years a ago.
The MK 50 is a super smart torpedo,as a sonar tech on a boat in testing you couldn't evade it if it dropped on you.
A TM friend gave me a prop from a MK 50 when I got out. Still have it some 25 years later.
I just wanted to say that since USS San Jacinto is being decommissioned she would be a GREAT candidate for donation as a museum ship for the State of TEXAS and could be ported side by side with USS TEXAS when she is done with her refit. THAT would be a great museum and would be great for teaching civilians about our Modern NAVY.
I was trained in torpedo maintenance as an electronics technician in the RAN. Extra pressure on the launch of the torpedo means absolutely nothing.
Worst thing is if a surface combatant is relying on torpedoes then you are in deep trouble.
Some corrections...
- SM-2 Block II improved the ECCM... Electronic Counter-CounterMeasure, not the ECM.
- Chaff is pronounced like Ch-ah-F, not like Chafe.
- You multiplied the Harpoon weight by 10 when reading it out loud.
- The Mk46 torpedo weighs 508 pounds complete, the warhead is only a little less than 97 pounds.
- Mk50's are not the '46's little brother except in terms of development timeline as it weighs more than 50% more, has a slightly larger warhead, a third greater range and better than 50% increase in maximum diving depth and was designed specfically to deal with deep diving, titanium hull soviet submarines. THe engine isn't a battery, its a closed loop chemical reaction producing a LOT of heat and steam to drive the pump-jet.
- The Phalanx 20mm CIWS... switched from DPU (which for the US government, which has a LOT of nuclear reactors which depend on enriched uranium as fuel with depleted uranium being one of the byproducts of that enrichment process, is actually exceedingly cheap compared to what Tungsten alloys costs to produce) to Tungsten out of environmental concerns about polluting the oceans with a projectile that is still mildly radioactive and might be injested by marine life that could get into the food chain consumed by humans. There is no program to fit SeaSparrow missiles to Phalanx systems. Perhaps you're confused by the SeaRam system which combines the radar dome and sensor fit of the Phalanx Block 1B with an 11-cell launcher for the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile system instead of the 20mm gun (and is fitted to things like all the Independence class LCSs) and is called SeaRam to differentiate it from the regular RAM launcher which has no onboard sensors of its own to detect and track incomming threats.
- All US Navy ships which have a Phalanx have had them upgraded to the Block 1B standard including those of the remaining Ticonderoga class cruisers as of the end of FY2015.
- SH-2 Helicopter...the Sea SKua anti-ship missile has never been in US Navy service at all. The Maverick, Hellfire and Penguin missiles were never carried by US Navy SH-2s though they are options on export models. Most of the details you prattled off were systems of the later SH-2G variant which didn't get introduced to USN service until 1993. The earlier SH-2F had completely different sensors, engines, rotors, etc.
Magnificent response, from no doubt, hard won knowledge. It is thorough, diligent and it would seem, probably quite accurate. It is Posts like this that restore my faith in humanity. Best post of the week for Me - you get a free ice cream! (except you will need to pay for and purchase it yourself) :)
Minor correction, there is no such idom as "prattled off"
I believe the idom you were looking for was rattled off.
Yvw
@@ricardobimblesticks1489 Appreciate the scrutiny, and notification of possible transgression, but I was not looking for an Idom[sic], but merely using the term "prattled" as in past tense of "prattle" which google defines as "talk at length in a foolish or inconsequential way.", which you may find is correct usage, preceding the word off, in its original context, but thanks any way, best wishes, Oscar :)
Wait... I cannot see where I even used the term "prattled off". if so then well done, causing me to defend a position I did not want. :)
@@oscargoldman85 OP used the term in their correction. I find a modicum of humor in correcting corrections... kudos btw :D
I have a tendency to prattle on so I won't rattle off a list of other things that amuse me :)
Thanks! Aaron thanks for doing these briefs. As an Aussie kid in the 80’s & 90’s was so inspired but this ship. In 1988 I did a deck tour of the USS Missouri and the memories still are vivid. And I still have the hat.
Thank you.
Brilliant coverage of the might Tico! Even as a child growing up in New Zealand in the 80's, Ticonderoga was a byword for US warship.
1:02:50, the reason the floatation was taken off is because it didn't work. If you think of it like a ship, the bottom of the helicopter is a very small "hull" area and the heavy weight of the engines and rotor are positioned high up on the craft. The center of gravity being so high up means that the chopper flips over and capsizes faster instead of floating if buoyant force is added to the bottom.
Loved this one! It featured many of the "big ones" I guarded as a young Marine at Mainside, Naval Weapons Station Earle, where the MK 45 & 46 fishes, ASROC, SUBROC, Harpoon, and some of the very first Tomahawks were maintained and serviced. I do have to say that I can "neither confirm nor deny the existence of Nuclear or Special Weapons at this facility". But yeah, all the Navy Techs wore dosimeters. "Join the Marines. Travel to far off exotics lands and meet new and interesting people." And I got stationed in Colts Neck, New Jersey. Jk, loved the duty.
If the US ever decides to build a couple of new models of these from scratch I would recommend they use the hull designs from Baltimore-class heavy cruisers, all high-quality steel with laminated kevlar, you can have more missiles, torpedoes and guns on, plenty of room for tech, and it would be more stable sailing platform,
As a youngster I allways thought of the Tigo to be a modern day battleship, you just confirmed my young suspicions of that!
Awesome brief! Keep em coming!
Naw the tico is no more than a cruiser the closest thing Moder day navy’s have to a battleship is the Russian battlecruisers of the kirov class not a single ship today has the firepower AND armor protection of a battleship
Leyte is pronounced "LAY-tee". Named after Battle of Leyte Gulf in WWII. Great summary of these awesome cruisers!
Leyte gulf is one of the most incredible naval battles ever.
USS Antietam CG-54 sailor checking in. Wonderful video you've made.
Awesome! Thank you!
You missed the Normandy’s deployment to Haiti in 2010 though it may not be considered a deployment because it was preciously less then 30 days (twenty nine and a half if I recall). Those with families were not amused. We called it Operation Haitian Vacation.
There was also a bunch of little things in 2011 and 2012. Fleet week in Miami, Crabfest in Maine, and some event in Savanna. Baltops 2012 was really just a showing the flag tour including a stop in St. Petersburg.
Australian navy should buy one of these cruisers use as a flagship.
2 things... 1, I have a migraine today, so being able to listen to this and only occasionally open my eyes to see pictures was perfect. Great timing!
Second, I would love to see Ticonderoga in her launch configuration as a museum ship. I know it won't happen, but a girl can dream.
Pretty sure she was scraped, down in Brownsville.
I'm still waiting for my plank.
Error at 10:46. The T had "2" Mk26 missile launching systems. One in the bow, and one at the stern.
It's like a "5-minute guide to warships" except post WW2. Awesome!
Right, and without the British accent
I've always loved the Ticos ever since I played a game called Starquest Online where the primary (space) ship was also called a Ticonderoga class and so I ended up learning a lot about the real ones as a result. Funny enough in that game I eventually was captain of the UAS Yorktown, a Ticonderoga class starship, so I have a special fondness for CG 48
Oh man, 3 hours on Ticonderogas! Look forward to watching all of this.
I just wanted to say that since USS San Jacinto is being decommissioned she would be a GREAT candidate for donation as a museum ship for the State of TEXAS and could be ported side by side with USS TEXAS when she is done with her refit. THAT would be a great museum and would be great for teaching civilians about our Modern NAVY.
Love working on these, totally 80s flashback
I visited the Lake Champlain underway as part of their visit to Seattle this year. Very impressed with the ship. MORE impressed with the Officers and Crew.
Correction to your slide. USS Leyte Gulf CG-55 was homeported in Mayport, Florida in 1988. I was a member of the Commissioning Crew, ETC(SW) USN Retired.
Loved my 2 ships, USS MOBILE BAY (CG-53) and USS LAKE CHAMPLAIN (CG-57).
Outstanding report. Thank you for the effort!
USS Norton Sound (AV-11/AVM-1) was home ported at Port Hueneme, CA. Ship was the test bed for many missile systems as part of the Pacific Missile Test Center (PMTC). USS Norton Sound was originally built as a Currituck-class seaplane tender and commissioned in 1945.
I stumbled onto your channel through this video yesterday and I wanted to let you know that your ship brief videos are both incredibly interesting and educational, thank you for offering us another fascinating channel subscription!
These long drach style vids are awesome
Fun Fact....The Gates (CG-51) did not escort the Ronald Reagan around the horn of South America. The sea state was so bad it forced us to go through the Strait of Magellan.. Also known as the most beautiful place I have ever seen on planet Earth. Roughest 3 days of my Naval life. 3 days of straight roller coaster at sea action. I was stationed onboard the Gates from 2002-2005. Managed to transfer to CSG-08/CTF-69 right before Katrina shortened the lifespan of the Gates and her sister ships there in Pascagoula.
Woo! My one and only ship was the USS Cape St George (2007-2012), great class they should've never stopped building them
Yet another excellent briefing. Good to know that these ships are out there protecting the Fleet from the DF21, SSN19 and their variants. I have fond memories of CG62 from Fleet Week in SF in the 90s.
Really detailed brief Jive, I have always liked how thorough you are with these and this one is the most thorough yet.
"I'm not going to fire one unless he fires one." "Fire One, Sir!"
I recall my participation in a parade upon arrival of CG-51 to Sevastopol in 1988.
As a former spy tech, I always love the "over 100" tracks at any one time. Can't say they're lying . . . but that's like saying airplanes fly higher than 50 feet off the ground.
Lolol it’s like that huh? Figures. Damn they were fucking around when they put those together, huh?
It's what I call a "junque statistic". It is a meaningless statistic. That is basically a function of computer memory. When basic Patriot first became operational in 1984, battery fire control could track over 100 targets. But even *that* is misleading. If an aircraft is positively identified as "friendly", say by Mode IV IFF (special US military encryption), that aircraft can be flushed, or even ignored, from the track buffer, freeing up that slot.
Haha same
Minute 1:08:45 "This a little... unacceptable I guess?" I loved how he pitched up his voice in embarrassment. Honesty!
Wow, thanks for putting so much time and effort into making this. Really enjoyed it!
I was onboard the USS Cowpens during her 2009 Vladivostok port visit for the WWII Victory Day celebrations (I was a Cryptologic Technician - Collections). I have so many stories about the infamous Captain Holly "Bligh" Graff. She was also the ship I qualified Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist onboard>
I was on the 2015 deployment for the USS Normandy (CG60) got there right after they did the Baltic Sea deployment during the yard period.
I have a friend who served on Tico. He said you could feel it when the fish f@cked
I just wanted to say that since USS San Jacinto is being decommissioned she would be a GREAT candidate for donation as a museum ship for the State of TEXAS and could be ported side by side with USS TEXAS when she is done with her refit. THAT would be a great museum and would be great for teaching civilians about our Modern NAVY.
You forgot to mention that during 2009(April 28) deployment in the Arabian Sea, the US Navy 69ed Iran by sailing CG-69 USS Vicksburg, DDG-69 USS Milius, and CVN-69 USS Dwight D. Eisenhower together while they were underway supporting the on-going rotation of forward-deployed forces to support maritime security operations and operate in international waters across the globe.
You should do a ship brief on the "Dead Admiral" (Kidd) Class DDG's. They were what the Spruance should have been from the outset. After they received NTU they were functionally the halfway point between the Virginia Class CGN and the Ticonderoga Class CG's. They continue to serve with the Taiwan Navy...
amazing presentation, and a total stud of a ship, amazing how fast they changed as they were launched.
All hail Sub Brief!
@@wst8340 He was telling us to comment earlier for the algorithm.
What a formidable Navy
2:01:55 Slovakia is neighbour of Czech Republic and Poland. Slovenia is the country that was part of Jugoslavia and suffered war in 1991.
I served on two "Terrier" missile destroyers when I served in the Navy between 69/73 and a Radarnan/OS. My first ship was a Farragut class DLG, and originally carried the Rim-2 Terrier which was replaced by the Rim-67 Standard Missile sometime between 1970 and 1972. My second ship was a Leahy class DLG, and I believe she was equipped with Rim-67 when I reported for duty in 1972.
Congress decided the DLGN was not going to happen, and it is a shame. Fast Carrier Strike Groups would have been in our HiStory should we have built them. The Mk26 GMLS was a good system . . . however, the Mk41 VLS requires less maintenance, has fewer parts, and provides a greater density of weapons/area than the Mk26 GMLS. The Mk26 only fired an SM-2 without a booster. The Mk41 VLS enabled the Mk72 addition to the base of the Standard Missile providing SM-2 ER kind of range. You provided a great brief on the Standard Missile capability. Personnel savings through automation was significant. Huge debate about the reloading arms is going on in the Navy at present, but they had been removed in the past. Now that at-sea reloading is a requirement in our future in peer-to-peer engagements I suspect new reloading arm capabilities are in our future. At a minimum the SM-6 reloading capability will be the goal for re-arm at sea.
The USN actually gave up ASROC manufacture for a time and the Japanese picked up the slack. ASROC is now back in the mix but it needs a range upgrade (VLS HAAWK package?).
The mission change to Fleet Air Defense (home for 'Alpha Whiskey') was the biggest change. Even today in a degraded condition the CG-47 Class in any baseline is a force to be reconned with by any adversary.
Concerning "Crash-back" exercises . . . in 90 seconds we could go from over 30 knots forward and come to a complete stop . . . and reach 10 knots going backwards. We usually steamed with on trail-shaft configuration with that prop feathered and maintain an SOA of 18 knots.
Loved the torpedo review. There are those in the Navy that have just given up on torpedoes on surface vessels for the future. Expansion of the development/employment capabilities of the Very Light Weight Torpedo is needed. Please consider a brief on that construct.
Having two (2) 5" guns is a real boost in capability particularly now that guided/powered rounds are coming out. There are multiple development activities for guided and powered 5" rounds and this is a program where initial investment is significant . . . however, the resulting product really increases lethality for the 5" gun out to a significant range at a huge cost savings per round when compared to missiles. There are guided 5" rounds that can perform missile engagement profiles.
The Mk15 CIWS is quite the insurance policy for 'Leakers'. However, many are being replaced by the RAM/SeaRAM on many vessels, and the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile ( RAM) is a small, lightweight, infrared homing surface-to-air missile in use by the German, Japanese, Greek, Turkish, South Korean, Saudi Arabian, Egyptian, Mexican, UAE, and U.S. Navies. It was originally intended and used primarily as a point-defense weapon against anti-ship missiles.
We never saw an SH-2 Seasprite Helo. The Tico came out with SH-60B Seahawk LAMPS Mk-III right out of the box. We could use their APS radar to extend out range on the surface. Today the MH-60R/S Seahawk is the primary bird on board, and we can carry two.
The primary difference between the AN/SLQ-32(V)3 and the others is it has a motion base to provided a constant azimuth for the active components in the ECM. With todays electronic scanning antennas we no longer need to do that.
The Aegis Combat System has multiple elements that coordinate to provide facilities needed in combat. There is a SPY radar section with special consideration for connection to the Fire Control System, Command & Decision manages consoles and displays and man-machine interface, and the Operational Readiness & Test System (ORTS) which monitors all systems (Built In Test Equipment). It is a primary troubleshooting tool for the Fire Control Technicians to monitor, troubleshoot, and verify the 'fix is in'.
The SPQ-9B is the cat's meow for low altitude targets and fixed geo points. Many times we would track a fixed point for naviagetion backup.
Concerning the SPY radar . . . multiple times I had aircraft doing a flyby across the fantail and I would run out on the flight deck to observe . . . and my little electronic Texas Instruments watch would reset to Midnight Zulu every time. We were putting out some power out . . . even in the sidelobes!
The SQS-53 is quite the gadget, as is the SLQ-32. Between these systems and the SPY-1 radar we were maintaining quite the situational awareness.
USS Ticonderoga (CG-47) was my home. We PRCOMED the ship and embarked the first staff units for AAW Commander. More than once we embarked CRUDESGRU/DESRON Commanders. Introduction of Aegis to the Carrier Strike Groups was a huge enhancement to capability, and that has been an improvement that is impossible to detail in this forum. I walked off Tico in November of 1985 and left active duty and entered the Reserves mostly in staff units.
CSEDS was my next home for five (5) years as we tested and verified that cruiser/destroyer combat systems were solid as a rock.
I was on the Ike during the 06-07 deployment. During it, I got to spend 5 days on the USS Anzio. Best 5 days of my Navy career, no contest. I probably would have do 20 years in the Navy if I got to spend it on these cruisers. I tried to stay but they said I had to go back to the carrier, which sucked. Sad to see that ship is now decommissioned.
1:11:50 Enduring Freedom in 2001 was post 9-11 mostly Afghanistan action, not "...just another one of those post-gulf war operations where they're enforcing a no-fly zone."
For those wondering about the Hue City I don't think it's a secret but more like nobody really bother to explain it cuz it's pretty clear what happened to this one.
It's the engines, a lot of engineering was seriously damaged during the fire however the worst part of it wasn't so much what was directly burned but what was overheated, AKA the engine, most of the surface damage from the fire was replaced drouing the 9 months repair, hell a lot of it was already good by the time it reached Port, and much of the internals were also replaced....much but not all, you see just like any other a ship engine has a maximum service life now with constant maintenance and a good source of new parts you can delay this until the point where the ship itself has become so obsolete that it really won't matter anymore the problem was the fire screwed everything up, you see a lot of parts from the engine cannot actually be replaced simply because of the size so while everything that could be done was done allot of the components simply had to stay, basically imagine if the engine suddenly got like 30 years worth of wear and tear, it worked fine for a while though it did require a lot more maintenance and had a lot more failures however this increased tremendously year by year to the point in 2021 where the engine reliability was so low on 2 engines and required such an exaggerated maintenance schedule on all 4 that it could not realistically be maintained in a war time or even serious deployment situation, and it was getting worse and worse.
The only reasonable thing to do was to send the ship back to Port and literally cut its engines out and replace them with new ones, a process that as you can guess would have taken years if not half a decade or more and been ridiculously expensive, since the Ticos at large were already fairly outdated and being decommissioned en mass it was decided to send her to the eternal ocean in the skies where all good ships go one day, and replace her in her duties with one of the new Burkes being constructed, one that is supposed to implement some of the DDG(X) technology, although that is just conjecture based on timing.
one of the best vids this channel has made I will remember it and the title forever
Took out a satellite eh? Impressive. Cheers for the primer.
Always wanted Canada (my home) to purchase about three of the Tico's as flagships, one in the Maritimes, one on the Pacific coast, and one in refit. However, given the current state of the Royal Canadian Navy, probably better that it never happened.
I would definitely rather see a few Tico's refitted for service in our allies navies rather than getting turned into razor blades :( I signed the petition to turn CG-47 USS Ticonderoga into a museum, but I think it was a lost cause from the beginning.
@@MisterLongShot_Official No Navy is going to accept a tico class as most of them are in a very bad shape.
The USS Norton Sound had a long and colorful history as a special testing ship. As soon as you mentioned her name my ears perked up. She was involved in at least 2 secret nuclear related tests IIRC, including Operation Argus, when she launched a few nuclear tipped rockets over the south Atlantic to create some artificial auroras in the ionosphere in the late 1950s.
“Most powerful ship built at the time” iowa and kirov thinking “what are we chop liver?”
"very good against pirates..." lol. I would NOT want to face an automatic deck gun if I was in a wooden launch.
Did a Unitas on USS Preble in the early 80's Unfortunately due to the Falklands war we did not do as much as many years
The blocky superstructure reminds me of the IJN heavy cruiser takao and myoko
I was on a Unitas cruise in the early 80's. We were doing an UNREP with the Peruvian navy and I was almost killed. We were huddled in a passageway waiting for the padded shotline projectile when a UNPADDED SOLID STEEL SHAFT embedded itself in the bulkhead inches from my head!! When we got in port with her we walked over a half dozen PADDED projectiles for our own safety.
Jive, I love your stuff but I fear you missed the biggest feature of the AEGIS program. Prior to AEGIS, the T-bird fleet had no one person responsible for ship combat performance.
In the past, surface combatants were designed and built by two Bureaus; BUSHIPS and BUWEPS. While this structure worked superbly in WWII with gun ships, the rapid changes in radars, missile systems, and related systems made the 'shared' process unwieldy and allowed cost considerations to dominate the combat system's performance because no one could or would make the case for combat performance.
RADM Wayne Meyer was a graduate of the NPGS Systems Engineering (SE) course and he applied SE thinking to a combatant. AEGIS allowed combat system performance to fight against cost considerations. Fortunately, the "Surface Baron" fought the good fight and funded AEGIS, even when it was very difficult. VADM Jimmie Doyle (and his predecessor whose name escapes me) deserves as much credit as Meyer for keeping the fuel coming into the machine.
Nuc subs had Rickover and Surface Combatants had Meyer, in my view. Keep the good stuff coming!
When you said "Did that make sense?" I nodded and almost said out loud "Uhuh!" like you were in a classroom teaching me naval lectures 😂takes me back to my JROTC days
Nice C-MS profile pic.
3hr presentation on the Ticonderoga..heck yeah!!
The ASROC systems do not use the Mk.45 torpedo. The ASROC is designed to project a nuclear depth charge or a lightweight passive homing torpedo, originally the Mk.44, later the Mk.46 including the NEARTIP. The Mk.45 torpedo is a wire-guided, full-size torpedo (21", 3800 lbs and performance similar to the hydrogen peroxide propelled Mk.16), nearly the weight and length of the Mk.48. It is launched from torpedo tubes. It is wire-guided so that there is positive control of the torpedo in all phases of the engagement before the nuclear warhead is detonated by the fire control team. The Mk.45 was withdrawn in the late 1980s with the introduction of Mk.48 ADCAP. They were rebuilt as conventional wire guided warhead torpedoes (the Freedom torpedo) and provided to US allies. The picture shown was a live detonation of the nuclear depth charge.
I thought the total weight of the mk46 was 508 lbs and the warhead was only 97lb. In fact wasnt that a complaint about it mentioned several times in Red Storm Rising?
My uncle serve his 20 on Burke class destroyers as a tech for the aegis system, now he works for raytheon and still pends a bunch of time at sea with both the burkes and ticos
I went aboard the Mobile Bay in the Med for a meeting. It was brand new in 1989, and much nicer than the
DDG 2 class that I was stationed on.
When you started talking about the AAW Weapons you used photographs of MK 10 launchers with the AN/SPG-55B Radar Directors in the background. This combination is called the Terrier Missle System. I know this because during my career I was a Fire Controlman (Missles)/ Control Technician and worked on the AN/SPG-55As and Bs, through Mod 10. After the Terrier Fleet was retired I retrained on the AEGIS Block 1 Computer Suite. And Retired off USS Princeton CG 59. May I suggest that you edit in captions identifying the differences. The MK 10 launched the much longer Missle / Booster combination not available with the vertically loaded launchers on the Baseline 0 ships.
I loved this "in depth" exhaustive ship brief. I had to split it to two evenings :)
3hrs long OMG< I think I will watch this in the TV not the laptop or mobile lol. Thanks for all your work on this one mate.
No problem 👍
What an amazing grey war canoe
Aaron, this was an amazing video! I learned a ton from this. Wish I could afford to join your supporters. I'll keep looking for the ones I can watch on the 'Tube.
I can't believe they had no Active stabs. Especially with that profile. First one I saw was when we were alongside in Italy. We and the Tico were Med berthed (stern first in case you don't know), so she was right alongside us. I was like a kid in a sweetshop. I got to take loads of photos and just walk up and down our stbd waste and gawk like a ship perv for hours! She was soooooo big and sexy! We have them alongside in Portsmouth dockyard a lot, but the one in Italy was a treat to see like that. Unless you are on a T45 Destroyer which take off like Ferraris as the have massive prop motors, don't race a Tico...or a Burke class! Badass ships.
49:00 My brother ( a former chief ) told me that pilots don't piss off SPY-1 operators because they will cause you to have funny looking kids😂😂😂😂😂
Minor corrections. @41:00 Calling those detection gaps isn't quite right, more accurately they're ambiguity points. All pulse doppler radars have points of ambiguity that are a product of pulse repetition, but that doesn't mean targets in those zones aren't detected it just means that their range is briefly confused with another range. Similarly @45:48 Continuous Wave doesn't have anything to do with uptime, it just means the radars have *no* pulses. They only transmit straight out at the frequency they're built to.
They really need a system to speed the loading times of those rounds for the CIWS. 980 rounds... goes by quick. Even loading VLS for one ship takes hours.
Emergency Flotation Systems (EFS) are emergency systems installed on larger commercial and military helicopters in order to prevent the airframe sinking in the event of a crash landing on water. The floats may be packed within spaces inside the airframe or as externally mounted packs on the helicopter skids. The floats are inflated using gas stored in pressurised cylinders carried on board the helicopter.
good info, thank you.
@@SubBrief Your Welcome!
Building a 1:350 Bunker Hill. So not covered in your commentary, I think, is the addition of the Mk38 25 gun for anti piracy work during 1990s. Also the changes in the funnels; sat links; deletion of the SPS 49; the addition of the Mk 53 Nulla decoy etc.
Also the Harpoon from games I have noted seemed to be cannon fodder these days and I see several pictures of the class not carry out the Harpoon load.
Pity that these platforms are being retired in the light of some of the cruisers that the Chinese now have.
But overall I enjoyed your video.
2:02:46: The Persian Gulf and the Arabian Gulf are the *same* place. It just depends on who drew the map you are working from. The US (and Iran, of course) call the area the "Persian Gulf". The Saudis (go figure) call the same body of water the Arabian Gulf.
2:20:31: "Computer aided detection" also means that the computer can not only tell which class of ship it is tracking (relatively easy for even human ears), but tell which particular ship it is tracking if that ship sonar signature is stored in its library.
24:55 Theres a video of one popping out of the launcher and only coming out about half and stopping before leaving the tube and staying in the tube.
Excellent research into background and initial operations.
Missed an opportunity to point-out or, devote a chapter into how the Navy bungled and/or misled Congress in it's cruiser modernization program over the last 10+ years. USS Gettysburg CG-64 went into this program in 2014....its just returning to the fleet but, for only another 4- years before retirement (!)
Another missed notables:
- Upgraded cruisers received SPQ-9B X-band radar, quite the combination with the SPY-1
- CG-70 Lake Erie captain kept a pet goat onboard, forced crew to care for and dress it up during events
- CG-63 Cowpens, the navy had a female-version of Captain Bligh, removed due to 'cruelty and maltreatment' of ship's crew, look up Holly Graf. Cowpens has an unfortunately lengthy history of poor commands.
- CG-59 Princeton, during its mine strike incident during Desert Storm, the TAO at the time was current CNO Micheal Gilday
Are you sure that's not a dude?
WOOO! my favorite ship! (i may be biased since i served on one)
2:17:31 noo! not my ship! who's lighting my ship on fire?!
nato standard is currently link 22 data link. That should tell you how old that link 11 data link graph was and why it was online.
Seems like these should come back having only served what I think would half of what should have been
6/2023: FYI:Battle of Leyte Gulf, Philippines (October 23-26, 1944), decisive air and sea battle of World War II that crippled the Japanese Combined Fleet. As always, your post is very educational, detailed and interesting. Best Regards and Thank You P.S. Why are there so many fires on these ships while in dry dock and undergoing maintenance? Seems to me that certain safety jobs are not being performed properly? This should not be happening.
Going to take a while to get through a 3 hour video, but since my kid heads to Yokosuka in a few weeks to serve on a Ticonderoga I'm going to need to watch the whole thing.
God the ASROC is terrifying, I can imagine a Tico skipper thinking "Hello soviet sub, would you prefer a torpedo or a nuke?"
Why couldn’t the Vincennes’ ECM detect the commercial transponder that would have been in use by any airliner.?
Awesome vid👍I appreciate time, effort n support that went into this Ticonderoga vid, from grow of Kidd n Spruance destroyers to Ticonderoga. Still believe there’s place for CG in today’s Navy I wish Australia had got 1 or 2 CG but crew size would be issued but could be manned by RAN n US Navy crew? Hope US does build CG replacement not more AB destroyers.
I just wanted to say that since USS San Jacinto is being decommissioned she would be a GREAT candidate for donation as a museum ship for the State of TEXAS and could be ported side by side with USS TEXAS when she is done with her refit. THAT would be a great museum and would be great for teaching civilians about our Modern NAVY.
the place for these retiring cruisers is in the Taiwanese Navy at the price of $1/ea
I was there in Normandy in 1994 as part of the 4th Infantry Division at Utah for the commemoration. I saw her. Didn't KNOW it was her but knew it was a Tico!
Amazing. Love the work Jive. Would it be possible to do a video on the K-324 towed array incident in the 80s? I think I’d learn a lot more from you than the inter webs.
the USN should pursue a next gen stealth guided missile fast cruiser . . .
Not overly sold on the Superstructure Of Doom look though