I'd like to join, living on a set disability budget.. times are tite. Really enjoy watching. My youngest son is deployed on an Ohio class sub.. this is his first time at sea... earns his dolphins on this run... so proud of his determination. Anyway...good being here.. kick back and learn something
A great brief on a good ship let down by a lot of issues... I listened to a brief on her which stated that parts of her air defence suite was inoperable, need to dig again and see if I can find it to provide the link... but either way kudos to the Ukrainians for even trying to take her out... I always remember a quote from Tom Clancy when he was on board either Slava or one of her sisters that she had been painted within an inch of her life back in the 90's... thank you for this brief great quality as always.
The Moskva's air defense radar interfered with their communications, so they have the choice to have comms or air defense radar. I think its safe to assume which one wasn't active on the day it sunk.
@@Juliet1106Tango Based on the quality of information comming from Moscow about Moskva at that time it's almost sure they decided to turn off the comms. ;o)
leaked moskva readiness report from 10 feb 2022 claims Fort has issues with keeping illumination to the target and keeping the missiles painted to the target in one of the electronic (non-firing) exercises The fire control radars for the Osa-MA has issues with being not active or has issues when active. MR-123s for the AK-630s have issues with their opto-electronic systems and no indicators of system being on active scan. MR-800 search radar would make SATCOM unusable when set to active scan.
@@mp40submachinegun81 about the satcom/radar interference: that's what led to HMS Sheffield getting sunk by Argentina. And Russia had 40 years to avoid that same mistake.
Lazerpig's video on the sinking was eye opening, as he got hold of some of the maintenance reports and she was in a dire state. She was basically a floating Potemkin Village.
@@nonamefound68 Nah, at least his old videos are sound. The Moskva one, as you saw in this video, is credible. The T14 one is just lazily done. And the stuff about production was right. Also, you are right a bit, we shouldnt take things for granted.
@@nonamefound68 What is wrong in his T-14 video? (apart from iirc the engine HP he talked about, as Russians present it in different units which he didn't know/notice, and he acknowledged that iirc in one of NAFO episodes)
@@nonamefound68 suuure.... If you're reffering to RedEffect response (which you can talk about, it doesnt get censored dw), I wouldn't be too sure about it, given that LazerPig did make a community post saying he had been talking with RedEffect and supposedly RE regrets making the vid (donno for what reason) and more importantly LP plans to respond to it in the future, so it's not a finished plot point. As we come back to reality, T-14 could be as advanced and powerful as russian -propaganda- sources claims it to be, doesn't matter when the number of them in existance is around 6 afaik (/whatever is the highest number of recorded unique T-14s at one time). Not only it's too few in numbers, but it's also a propaganda symbols, and propaganda symbols can't serve in war, as their destruction is too big of a PR disaster (like Yamato). Americans don't care about Abrams getting destroyed in Ukraine, they have thousands of them.
Was having a terrible day but to hear someone so competent and entertaining talk about these incredible ships for an hour is really a privilege. Turned it right around!
Joke about the Slava class all you want, but the Slava's sonar system was much more effective than the Udaloy's HorseTail/HoreJaw system in a sub hunting context, because Udaloy could never overcome accoustic signal falloff at distance but the Slava class sonar has been deployed much closer to where the submarines are.
I truly love your way of speaking, that final bit at the end about how reputation is built during times of war, and depended on during times of peace was poignant.
Love these videos. I watch all of them. Recommend using your mouse even more to show the location of weapons on these ships. Use the laser pointer for extra points. Assume we are dumb as to which antenna is which
I really hope he gets back to doing these, as I miss them! It is so interesting to learn about the little details of these ships! I’m really hoping he will do something on the horse jaw sonar. That sounds like a very dangerous system.
And that is what they call generation 4 missiles. Now think about what a generation 5 missiles, like the Naval strike missiles (NSM) can do... on of it's capability is that it can find it's target on it's own, even if the warships is hiding between other "commercial" ships, the NSM will only target and attack the warships nothing else. And if you fire more than 1 of them, then those missiles will plan the attack pattern by them self, like for example, attack the target from multiple direction. It's scary how advance today's missiles are starting to become.
@@SteveT3D i have something very special planned. You should go to Freedom tower. On the highest on floors. Bring old people, and people on wheelchairs who cannot move fast...
@@heuhen the only swarm attack i knew was the Russian anti-ship ones where one of the swarm takes high altitude to search for target whilst the others stay at sea skimming altitude. Although searching for aim point sounds like it needs to plan the route from launch, otherwise the missile will have to steer at terminal range, reducing speed and increasing response time for the target which isn't ideal...
@@mostlymessingabout NSM only ned to know what area that ship is in, it search for the target by it self, and if you send more than one, they will perform swarm attack. But not like those Russian missiles, where everyone travel the same route. NSM they change automatically route for every single missile in the swarm, attacking from multiple direction, making it even harder to defend, because you don't know where the next one is coming or your system is busy defending in one direction. NSM also self destruct if it can't find a target it recognize. With NSM you don't need to mark the target in the same way as a 4th gen.
14:37 just the results needed as Germans taught us - one IR, one radio-channel, always two. Some of antiship, big ones communicate, I wrote the software for that in old days.
Do these become members-only after the livestream? I tried to watch the video on the Royal Navy ship the other day, then it disappeared..... so the HMS Sheffield Type 42 video will be members-only for a year?
Would be great to see the divisions along the centerline, not just the vertical barriers. Capital ships in the first and second world wars often would often have a subdivision between the machine spaces and often in the magazines. If the torpedo and hangar spaces are similar to the VLS battery, spanning across the full beam, you have several compartments in adjoining vertical watertight zones that cannot be easily counter flooded without compromising the rest of the ship either by reduced freeboard or reduction of maneuvering and speed efficiency.
I really enjoyed this, thanks for making it. The times where you point things out with your mouse are helpful and I think you should do more of it. There were many times where you were talking about a specific system and I didn't remember where it was, so having a picture of the whole ship to the side or switching to a picture of the whole ship would be nice. I hope you do one of the Kirov soon! And you certainly earned a subscribe!
If you look - the short range air defense missiles were still stowed so they did not have enough time to get them up. The 6 short range guns are actually 3 sets of 2 turrets, they work in tandem.
50:50 I think you meant 'Centimeters' not 'Meters' in regards to the piece of the cross. Not even the Kirov has enough extra space to store a 9m long hunk of wood.
The Slava class are gorgeous in their look, for sure. While it's tempting to make light of the Ukranian's sinking the Black Fleet flagship of the Russian Navy, we shouldn't overlook the loss of life (and you're not). And let's not forget the USS Stark, which on paper should have been able to defend herself against a pair of Exocets but never got a shot off.
The USS stark didn’t sink though probably because it had functioning damage control equipment seriously the maintenance report from the Russian government paints an abysmal picture of the Moskva’s condition the summary is the radar systems interfered with the radio so they were switched off so the ship could communicate of the AK-630 CWIS systems only one worked same with the SA-N-19 and of the 5000 fire extinguishers it was supposed to have aboard it only had 500 and they were locked up by the admiral to they wouldn’t get stolen
This sinking was likely a failure at multiple levels from the top down, and IMO even the ultimate design of the ship left it more vulnerable to this kind of attack than it should be. Ironic that the ship should be so capable of hitting others with "Vampire" sea-skimming missiles and so vulnerable to them herself
I think you're 100% correct. The Russian navy is operating ships that are terribly maintained, with crews that simply are undertrained and unmotivated. Without meaningful refits, ships run in to myriad problems. People forget that ships flex at sea, they warp in effect. The British learned this the hard way during WWII most notably with the pride if the Mediterranean fleet Ark Royal. Most of her watertight doors wouldnt even seal ( great video over on Armoured Carriers channel) and she,was literally run to death. The same for Moskava. Once water comes in there's no way to stop it or get it back out, thus ship sinks.
Every case is different, who would maintain a floating conference room which was supposed to be decomissioned already? The actual combat vessels are well maintained.
but they could only run the AA or the coms and only 1 AA worked, with the rest salvaged for parts to keep that 1 alive . and thats from the russian report!
Eric you always show a lot of respect when talking about other countries and this is rare nowadays. I admire that. Thanks for more this great video. Greeting from Brazil
@@dmitriisheroshenko2566unless you remember details about that conversation, it didn’t happen, and you’re one of the handful of people visible online who do the low, low thing of basically making things up. Luckily for you, not the weirdest specific example I remember
@@dmitriisheroshenko2566edit: btw it is a thing to say that a location is a “shithole” without meaning disrespect to the people who are there. I’m from the Philippines and some parts of Metro Manila are definitely shitholes
It takes a war to understand if your navy can fight. A good question is in accident investigations you get a good idea if you are ready. See incident of uss monhan and other ship in passing in San Diego
1:05:53 it's entirely possible that they got off the defense missiles or the AK630s and took down incoming missiles, but one got through. Like you said, hopefully post war we can get some clarification.
The CIWS, maybe. I doubt it was even activated though. You can't see it in any pics I've seen. The missiles, not a chance. An S-300 would have been seen by any number of radars keeping an eye on the area. The Geckos were still stowed. You can see the launchers still have covers in place in the last pics. They were never even deployed.
@@hiteshadhikari You’re just angry because India was dumb enough to buy all of Russia’s shitty technology and now you have to cope with the fact that Pakistan has better weapons. That’s why Modi’s ultranationalist propaganda networks keep claiming that Russia is winning. Because Modi is a Hindu ultranationalist and admitting that Russia isn’t winning and their technology is bad means admitting that Hindus made a mistake.
I remember an interview from a person that had been on the Moskva during the attack, who later defected to Ukraine that said there was no warning before the explosion, only one missile went off and the other did not detonate. Also the Neptune flew at 5 meters, which is under all their missiles minimum engagement range.
Dudes a liar, I don’t believe this was a missile attack, I’ve heard likely it was very impressive Ukrainian agent-agents in the Russian navy whom sabotaged the ship. Not a single piece of evidence has been presented that there was any missile involved just speculation, and conjecture by people unable to apply intellect (critical reasoning, logic, healthy scepticism) Alas the combined west citizens are vast majority emotional thinkers and as such are highly susceptible to bias wilfully and subconsciously.
@ 13:25 What was that about the huge bubble of air protection? Can you yell it perhaps? The moskva is having a hard time hearing you from the seafloor. But seriously the info said the video premiered May 2, 2023. Is this a re-upload of a video made before February 2022?
Nice vid but if I understand You correctly You are saying that Moskva was supos. to be repaired in one og Ukrainians Shipyards around 2016-18? I do not think it would happen because of war in Donbas. It was either in Russian shipyard or in Sevastopol.
There's been some mumbling that there were frequency conflicts between radar and communications or something, is that nonsense or might there be something to it?
Did you read the moskva readiness report from right before thr war, 90% of the weapons didnt work and the radars and comms couldnt be used at the same time
I believe one of the possible explanations is why the radar and weapons failed to detect the Neptune missiles. Is the radar turned off that night while the ship was communicating with HQ in Sevastopol? It's believed the radar was turnoff was it would interfere with the ships SATCOM.
I completely agree with you. The drone theory is so dumb. All a drone does is wake everyone up and send them to battle stations. i.e. close all the water tight doors, get damage control to their stations, and get the competent people on the command deck. A under qualified night watch bored out of there minds allowing what amounts to a harpoon into insanely close range before detection makes so much more sense. Then with the ship at what amounts to normal cruising conditions. i.e. most or all the water tight doors open, and damage control in their racks, a hit from a single missile, even a small one, could be utterly devastating.
My theory is that they flew a UAV into SAM range to see if Moskva will try to track and engage it but once they understood that it’s running without a radar on they decided to fire ASMs
@@jameson1239 Ya so that's not how radar works, like at all. Seriously that's on par with the admiral back in WWII who was worried about the other side seeing the radar beams with their eyes.
I understand an iowa class ship brief won’t happen this year but is it possible that u can make it one on it next year, the Iowa’s are my favorite battleship class and there has been a lot of videos on their history but never as in depth as ur videos discussing individual systems and weapons and upgrades, btw thank you for the great breakdown of the slava and not using a biased out look on it, too many people just assume it’s a bad ship cause they failed to defend a missile
Are the RBUs legit effective ASW weapons these days? They seem like relics from WW2 almost. Like, a sub would have to be really close and you would have to have a pinpoint fire solution. Is that a realistic scenario these days? Gut feel is the Chinese use as anti-torpedo weapons is actually more realistic and more likely to succeed. But I have no clue really (which is why I'm throwing the question out there lol).
No. The Russians aren't because they don't train. The US is, because we train against them all the time, and we actually use our old anti-ship missiles as targets. We even had an accident where a training drone failed to break away and hit the ship that was training against it.
Well just last week, NATO frigates + Norway have been test firing missiles against various targets, outside of Norway, and from what I have heard, it went quite well. They tested there systems against all type of targets. There is an tradition that when a US ship or foreign ship, that are equipped with US radar/weapons comes to US for testing. For example the Norwegian frigates went to USA, when they was new and shoot down all target US could trow at them (And those Norwegian frigates aren't AAW frigates, they are ASW frigate). We know they did it well, due to they hung a broom in the mast (clean sweep).
On 15 October 2016, USS Mason was targeted in a third attack by five anti-ship cruise missiles while operating in the Red Sea north of the Bab el-Mandeb strait. The Navy Times reported the Mason fired a radar decoy, an infrared decoy, and several SM-2 Standard missiles in response, either neutralizing or intercepting four of the five incoming missiles. The Navy reported the fifth incoming missile as neutralized by a radar decoy launched from Nitze, after Mason alerted her to the threat.
bush and gorbie chose malta for the meeting due to the good weather a few meetings where on the uss belknap only problem they had was the worst storm in years hit malta so they ended up not getting as much done as they wanted sure it had the nickname "The sea sick summit"
Pop group? Im assuming that means four radars. Great vid mate. Nice theories. I tend to agree with the one where they were took by surprise. Because if they were alerted then they would have been at action stations already. Right? I assume. But if nowt is going on. Yeah. That sounds right. Thats why I don't believe in distraction attacks. Just go in cold. Better usually. Thanks Sub Brief. Great vid as ever.
By guess is that the engines can blend together to transition from cruise to high speed, but they won't operate together for any significant amount of time
On the last point you made, this is not the state of the russian navy: It is the state of their Flagship... their Posterboy; I don't even want to know what is going on on the normal boats.
Another super informative video. Suggest to correct the facts around Moskva’s participation in the invasion of Georgia. August 2008, deployed from Russian base (under lease from Ukraine) in Crimea to provide air cover for Russian invasion of Georgia.
One point is that some people in Ukraine konw that ship and its possible problems really well and that may be one key role to missile operation against the ship.
Is it common for the usn to deploy a tug with every action group or was that a Russian tradition? I remember the Russian carriers always having at least one tug deploy when ever he went to sea.
Gas turbines spin in the 10s of thousands of rpm range it would be difficult to match the speeds and depending on how they optimised the different sized power plants it may not be possible with those engines.
It blows my mind that they had to have cruise and sprint turbines in such a vital warship????!! I was a Fireman on an Arleigh Burke and they have 4 GE LM2500 (which is marinized GE CF6: same engine used by the 747) main engines- 2 per engine room/per shaft (Sprucans and Ticos too- same exact layout). We could do 40+ knots Flank Speed easily- no changing gears there. In fact the throttle used on those ships looked just like what you'd see on a speed boat. There's 3 of them: 1 in each engine room for local control and one one the bridge, right next to the helm- which itself looked like the yoke from a large modern airplane. So you one man could literally stand there and operate a 505x64 ft, 8000+ ton warship just like a racing boat and run it close to 50 mph!!!
For the memory of Mark Tasov, he was still Jung who wanted to be a train driver and had to serve the navy to do so got assigned to the Moskova and is one that is still missing his parents will not be abal to greave for him properly until his bloody is recovered.
the AK doesn't have radar on them like the phalanx have, so they are not that self contained system. but they do have there own system, but it's mounted in a different area of the weapon, the system can be automatic or TV-controlled. It do work in similar way as other CIWS, but if the radar system for the CIWS-systems is damaged, then the gun will only be working as a remote controlled system.
The word is 5 of the 6 of Moskva’s CIWS were not capable of auto-fire for maintenance issues, so this system was only functional for a 90 degree arc instead of the 260 it was built to cover when the ship sailed (its is 2-6-0 because the helio deck blocks the rearward quarter, unlike the Kirov class that is longer and has 2 extra CIWS on the stern for 3-6-0)
If they'd ever modernised it it would have had Kashtan(30mm & SA-19) replace the ak-630 and gauntlet instead of gecko. far more capable systems that I assume can be warmed up a lot quicker.
It's pretty great on paper. If maintained to US standards, it would be as threatening as we thought it would be. At least able to defend itself from capsizing in the event they needed damage control. RIP to the sailors. No wonder they couldn't maintain this properly.
Heard that the sea state with high waves created surface clutter, hiding the incoming missiles from the radar. Also heard that not all radars were operational? I was also told all of the rescued crew was jailed afterwards. Not sure if they were released after a debrief or whether they are still imprisoned. Heard the caption was dead? Aaron, any info on this at all?
Moskva had too many issues when it was sunk, more or less it was not operational and it was part foolishness of Russians and part side intel US etc gave Ukranians. It was a sitting duck
There were no high waves to cause any clutter. We know that because we have weather data and photographs of her sinking that both show there were almost no waves.
It was a flat calm. The Moskva radar did suffered the same issues as the Royal Navy in 1980s - they interfered with radio communications so they had to be switched off when the ship wanted to communicate. An issue that led to warship losses during Falklands War (almost 40yrs ago) but that worldwide know issue was never upgraded in the Slava class. This may not have been the main problem. Chiefly the CIWS were not functional & the OSM was locked on Capt’s orders due to lack of replacement missiles. The S-300 missiles are not a suitable defence against sea-skimmers when the alarms go off late, which is why the other systems exists. A lack of effective ship defence combined with missiles fired from the Oblast next to where she was built, setting light to the engine room. Ship then sinks after flooding due to botched firefighting. I will add the Russian Navy Ministry has delayed updating its firefighting standards between 2000 - 2018 (no evidence this was even considered 1983-1999). The 2020 Sevastopol refit was the Moskva’s only opportunity to have its fire sensors & fire dowsing equipment updated since 1982. Telegram chatter circa 2021 (before the full invasion) says the Navy was ripped off by the Russian contractor in 2020 and the most they achieved was painting over all the original firefighting equipment.
It may have been more of a combined arms failure, If the radars were quiet to avoid being triangulated they have to rely on an external source for their warning, AWACS or Satellite should have spotted the missiles/launch. Then they would have had many minutes warning to go hot and attempt to intercept the missiles.
That sounds incredibly unlikely.. You don't just flip a switch and have a radar system operational and ready to rock in 5 seconds from being powered off, specially when it's Soviet 70's and 80's radars
Its a sub brief now......
well yeah, its under water, its covered.
A special military operation underwater you could say…
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@@dickwellington8578 Special military underwater expedition
I'd like to join, living on a set disability budget.. times are tite. Really enjoy watching. My youngest son is deployed on an Ohio class sub.. this is his first time at sea... earns his dolphins on this run... so proud of his determination. Anyway...good being here.. kick back and learn something
A great brief on a good ship let down by a lot of issues... I listened to a brief on her which stated that parts of her air defence suite was inoperable, need to dig again and see if I can find it to provide the link... but either way kudos to the Ukrainians for even trying to take her out... I always remember a quote from Tom Clancy when he was on board either Slava or one of her sisters that she had been painted within an inch of her life back in the 90's... thank you for this brief great quality as always.
The Moskva's air defense radar interfered with their communications, so they have the choice to have comms or air defense radar. I think its safe to assume which one wasn't active on the day it sunk.
@@Juliet1106Tango Based on the quality of information comming from Moscow about Moskva at that time it's almost sure they decided to turn off the comms. ;o)
leaked moskva readiness report from 10 feb 2022 claims
Fort has issues with keeping illumination to the target and keeping the missiles painted to the target in one of the electronic (non-firing) exercises
The fire control radars for the Osa-MA has issues with being not active or has issues when active.
MR-123s for the AK-630s have issues with their opto-electronic systems and no indicators of system being on active scan.
MR-800 search radar would make SATCOM unusable when set to active scan.
@@mp40submachinegun81 about the satcom/radar interference: that's what led to HMS Sheffield getting sunk by Argentina. And Russia had 40 years to avoid that same mistake.
Lazerpig's video on the sinking was eye opening, as he got hold of some of the maintenance reports and she was in a dire state. She was basically a floating Potemkin Village.
Lazerpig lost all credibility after his t14 video. I would be careful with his "sources"
@@nonamefound68 Nah, at least his old videos are sound. The Moskva one, as you saw in this video, is credible. The T14 one is just lazily done. And the stuff about production was right. Also, you are right a bit, we shouldnt take things for granted.
@@nonamefound68 What is wrong in his T-14 video? (apart from iirc the engine HP he talked about, as Russians present it in different units which he didn't know/notice, and he acknowledged that iirc in one of NAFO episodes)
@dr_birb There is a fair bit wrong, but I can mention the rebuttal as it gets auto filtered for some reason
@@nonamefound68 suuure....
If you're reffering to RedEffect response (which you can talk about, it doesnt get censored dw), I wouldn't be too sure about it, given that LazerPig did make a community post saying he had been talking with RedEffect and supposedly RE regrets making the vid (donno for what reason) and more importantly LP plans to respond to it in the future, so it's not a finished plot point.
As we come back to reality, T-14 could be as advanced and powerful as russian -propaganda- sources claims it to be, doesn't matter when the number of them in existance is around 6 afaik (/whatever is the highest number of recorded unique T-14s at one time). Not only it's too few in numbers, but it's also a propaganda symbols, and propaganda symbols can't serve in war, as their destruction is too big of a PR disaster (like Yamato). Americans don't care about Abrams getting destroyed in Ukraine, they have thousands of them.
Was having a terrible day but to hear someone so competent and entertaining talk about these incredible ships for an hour is really a privilege. Turned it right around!
You said MAD capable, but at first I thought you were using cool kid lingo. Great video.
Informative as always, keep up the good work, man!
I saw one of these ships pull into Singapore while my boat was there...made for an interesting port call.
Moskova just decided to isolate the fire and flooding to all 15 compartments. Easy mistake, anyone could have made it.
Lmfao 😂
Joke about the Slava class all you want, but the Slava's sonar system was much more effective than the Udaloy's HorseTail/HoreJaw system in a sub hunting context, because Udaloy could never overcome accoustic signal falloff at distance but the Slava class sonar has been deployed much closer to where the submarines are.
@@guaposneeze It will be really good at detecting them from the bottom too.
It went maybe too close where the submarines are...
@@guaposneeze what good is one piece of kit if your entire country and navy is a dysfunctional mess?
My absolute favorite channel on UA-cam.
Could we get a brief on some of the French nuclear boats?
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I've been waiting for this one for a very long time
Can you please do a video on the horsetail vds system???
Sunk by only 2 missiles sounds insane. Imagine wargaming and Aaron saying "let's sink the flag ship with just 2 harpoons.".
According to Russia is was 0 harpoon lol😂😂😂
@@jeremydyar7566 And Russia would be right with that! No Harpoon was involved in Moskvas sinking!
@jeremydyar7566 yeah there wasn't a single missile involved, where did you even get that?
I truly love your way of speaking, that final bit at the end about how reputation is built during times of war, and depended on during times of peace was poignant.
top shelf content as always Jive.... "Gold Star"
Thanks!
Welcome!
Love these videos. I watch all of them. Recommend using your mouse even more to show the location of weapons on these ships. Use the laser pointer for extra points. Assume we are dumb as to which antenna is which
Or make the cursor colored
The Slava class sub brief... I see what you did there!
I really hope he gets back to doing these, as I miss them! It is so interesting to learn about the little details of these ships! I’m really hoping he will do something on the horse jaw sonar. That sounds like a very dangerous system.
Superb work as always Eric.
I didn't know that about modern cruise missiles. That's some Star Trek stuff. Thanks Aaron 😮
And that is what they call generation 4 missiles. Now think about what a generation 5 missiles, like the Naval strike missiles (NSM) can do... on of it's capability is that it can find it's target on it's own, even if the warships is hiding between other "commercial" ships, the NSM will only target and attack the warships nothing else. And if you fire more than 1 of them, then those missiles will plan the attack pattern by them self, like for example, attack the target from multiple direction.
It's scary how advance today's missiles are starting to become.
Planning anything special for the coming months Omar?
@@SteveT3D i have something very special planned. You should go to Freedom tower. On the highest on floors. Bring old people, and people on wheelchairs who cannot move fast...
@@heuhen the only swarm attack i knew was the Russian anti-ship ones where one of the swarm takes high altitude to search for target whilst the others stay at sea skimming altitude. Although searching for aim point sounds like it needs to plan the route from launch, otherwise the missile will have to steer at terminal range, reducing speed and increasing response time for the target which isn't ideal...
@@mostlymessingabout NSM only ned to know what area that ship is in, it search for the target by it self, and if you send more than one, they will perform swarm attack. But not like those Russian missiles, where everyone travel the same route. NSM they change automatically route for every single missile in the swarm, attacking from multiple direction, making it even harder to defend, because you don't know where the next one is coming or your system is busy defending in one direction.
NSM also self destruct if it can't find a target it recognize. With NSM you don't need to mark the target in the same way as a 4th gen.
14:37 just the results needed as Germans taught us - one IR, one radio-channel, always two. Some of antiship, big ones communicate, I wrote the software for that in old days.
The Sovremeny are, in my opinion, the coolest looking modern warship.
@@willemsma kresta was cursed in my opinion
No, the Type 055s are.
@@sebastijanglozinic8630definitely not
Hi Sub, great video. 🎥 📻 Thanks. Can you set up maybe a underwater tour 😉
Do these become members-only after the livestream?
I tried to watch the video on the Royal Navy ship the other day, then it disappeared..... so the HMS Sheffield Type 42 video will be members-only for a year?
Sheffield is a one off that went to Members only. The rest are public after a Premiere.
you should make the cursor bigger when doing these
Or, collared!
Great video, best explanation I've seen so far!
Would be great to see the divisions along the centerline, not just the vertical barriers. Capital ships in the first and second world wars often would often have a subdivision between the machine spaces and often in the magazines. If the torpedo and hangar spaces are similar to the VLS battery, spanning across the full beam, you have several compartments in adjoining vertical watertight zones that cannot be easily counter flooded without compromising the rest of the ship either by reduced freeboard or reduction of maneuvering and speed efficiency.
I really enjoyed this, thanks for making it. The times where you point things out with your mouse are helpful and I think you should do more of it. There were many times where you were talking about a specific system and I didn't remember where it was, so having a picture of the whole ship to the side or switching to a picture of the whole ship would be nice. I hope you do one of the Kirov soon! And you certainly earned a subscribe!
If you look - the short range air defense missiles were still stowed so they did not have enough time to get them up. The 6 short range guns are actually 3 sets of 2 turrets, they work in tandem.
50:50 I think you meant 'Centimeters' not 'Meters' in regards to the piece of the cross. Not even the Kirov has enough extra space to store a 9m long hunk of wood.
yea, my brain and mouth don't always say the same thing at the same time.
Excellent and always respectful. I am certain that lack of modernisation and training.
The Slava class are gorgeous in their look, for sure. While it's tempting to make light of the Ukranian's sinking the Black Fleet flagship of the Russian Navy, we shouldn't overlook the loss of life (and you're not). And let's not forget the USS Stark, which on paper should have been able to defend herself against a pair of Exocets but never got a shot off.
The USS stark didn’t sink though probably because it had functioning damage control equipment seriously the maintenance report from the Russian government paints an abysmal picture of the Moskva’s condition the summary is the radar systems interfered with the radio so they were switched off so the ship could communicate of the AK-630 CWIS systems only one worked same with the SA-N-19 and of the 5000 fire extinguishers it was supposed to have aboard it only had 500 and they were locked up by the admiral to they wouldn’t get stolen
This sinking was likely a failure at multiple levels from the top down, and IMO even the ultimate design of the ship left it more vulnerable to this kind of attack than it should be. Ironic that the ship should be so capable of hitting others with "Vampire" sea-skimming missiles and so vulnerable to them herself
Been waiting for this one! Thank you
The upgunned version looks like something I drew as a kid. How many missile launchers can fit on the head of a pin?
Haha
I think you're 100% correct. The Russian navy is operating ships that are terribly maintained, with crews that simply are undertrained and unmotivated.
Without meaningful refits, ships run in to myriad problems. People forget that ships flex at sea, they warp in effect. The British learned this the hard way during WWII most notably with the pride if the Mediterranean fleet Ark Royal. Most of her watertight doors wouldnt even seal ( great video over on Armoured Carriers channel) and she,was literally run to death.
The same for Moskava. Once water comes in there's no way to stop it or get it back out, thus ship sinks.
Every case is different, who would maintain a floating conference room which was supposed to be decomissioned already? The actual combat vessels are well maintained.
Thanks for the video. I had no idea that ships had SO many radar/radiation emitters and receivers. Simply so many antennas and domes!
All of those emitters are a great way to detect ships from long range.
@@michaeljohnson4258 There an even better way to get counter detected.
but they could only run the AA or the coms
and only 1 AA worked, with the rest salvaged for parts to keep that 1 alive
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and thats from the russian report!
Eric you always show a lot of respect when talking about other countries and this is rare nowadays. I admire that.
Thanks for more this great video.
Greeting from Brazil
I saw him calling Russia a "shithole country" in the comment section. Don't be fooled.
@@dmitriisheroshenko2566 where?
@@taran7728 not gonna find it now
@@dmitriisheroshenko2566unless you remember details about that conversation, it didn’t happen, and you’re one of the handful of people visible online who do the low, low thing of basically making things up. Luckily for you, not the weirdest specific example I remember
@@dmitriisheroshenko2566edit: btw it is a thing to say that a location is a “shithole” without meaning disrespect to the people who are there. I’m from the Philippines and some parts of Metro Manila are definitely shitholes
I wouldn't be surprised if key components of the radar suite were inoperable at the time of the attack.
Excellent work there Mr Turkey!
Could theses legacy radar systems have been prone to undetected spoffing/jamming that "hid" an attacking missile?
Moskva is performing excellently as submarine now comrade.
Nice vid, next is Udaloy class cruiser.
It takes a war to understand if your navy can fight. A good question is in accident investigations you get a good idea if you are ready. See incident of uss monhan and other ship in passing in San Diego
See uss momsen uss Harper ferry on u tube “near miss” what’s going with shipping
It's awfully easy to just simplify the world into a saying. It makes everything so easy!
I find a sub brief of the Moskva ironically fitting.
So do the antennae on the large masts rotate?
" in times of war you will build your reputation, in times of peace you will depend on it..." sub brief 2023...
I will keep that one in mind...
1:05:53 it's entirely possible that they got off the defense missiles or the AK630s and took down incoming missiles, but one got through. Like you said, hopefully post war we can get some clarification.
The CIWS, maybe. I doubt it was even activated though. You can't see it in any pics I've seen.
The missiles, not a chance. An S-300 would have been seen by any number of radars keeping an eye on the area. The Geckos were still stowed. You can see the launchers still have covers in place in the last pics. They were never even deployed.
We know from leaked documents that they lacked all fire control radars, so no.
The Dec commissioned necessary to Comrade Shipyard manager's bonus. Common with subs as well.
what's the point of having armor if you can develop advanced shielding systems.
it's a rather big if.
anyway larger ships have been thought as not really not worth it for most users anyway, due to post ww2 weapons.
Excellent content as always 👍
Good brief skipper
Wanna hear a joke? Moskva.
One more
Ukraine is winning
@@hiteshadhikari You’re just angry because India was dumb enough to buy all of Russia’s shitty technology and now you have to cope with the fact that Pakistan has better weapons. That’s why Modi’s ultranationalist propaganda networks keep claiming that Russia is winning. Because Modi is a Hindu ultranationalist and admitting that Russia isn’t winning and their technology is bad means admitting that Hindus made a mistake.
Russian military history ami right.
@@hiteshadhikari I'm more partial towards, "Everything is going according to plan"
Got a better one: Kuznetsov
I remember an interview from a person that had been on the Moskva during the attack, who later defected to Ukraine that said there was no warning before the explosion, only one missile went off and the other did not detonate. Also the Neptune flew at 5 meters, which is under all their missiles minimum engagement range.
Dudes a liar, I don’t believe this was a missile attack, I’ve heard likely it was very impressive Ukrainian agent-agents in the Russian navy whom sabotaged the ship. Not a single piece of evidence has been presented that there was any missile involved just speculation, and conjecture by people unable to apply intellect (critical reasoning, logic, healthy scepticism)
Alas the combined west citizens are vast majority emotional thinkers and as such are highly susceptible to bias wilfully and subconsciously.
@ 13:25 What was that about the huge bubble of air protection? Can you yell it perhaps? The moskva is having a hard time hearing you from the seafloor.
But seriously the info said the video premiered May 2, 2023. Is this a re-upload of a video made before February 2022?
Nice vid but if I understand You correctly You are saying that Moskva was supos. to be repaired in one og Ukrainians Shipyards around 2016-18? I do not think it would happen because of war in Donbas. It was either in Russian shipyard or in Sevastopol.
Wait a second...what is a Slava Class Cruiser doing in a SUB Brief...wait...ohh...
Sub Briefs in the merch store? I think a clever stretch boxer or brief with submarine print? Just a thought.
Careful, Will have to be a very bad submarine or nobody will ever see your boxers.
Was there not something about Moscova not being able to operate all radars at the same time?
There's been some mumbling that there were frequency conflicts between radar and communications or something, is that nonsense or might there be something to it?
Did you read the moskva readiness report from right before thr war, 90% of the weapons didnt work and the radars and comms couldnt be used at the same time
I believe one of the possible explanations is why the radar and weapons failed to detect the Neptune missiles. Is the radar turned off that night while the ship was communicating with HQ in Sevastopol? It's believed the radar was turnoff was it would interfere with the ships SATCOM.
Another excellent brief
1:02:20
I have a copy of that on my wall. Very cool.
Good brief thanks bud.
I completely agree with you. The drone theory is so dumb. All a drone does is wake everyone up and send them to battle stations. i.e. close all the water tight doors, get damage control to their stations, and get the competent people on the command deck. A under qualified night watch bored out of there minds allowing what amounts to a harpoon into insanely close range before detection makes so much more sense. Then with the ship at what amounts to normal cruising conditions. i.e. most or all the water tight doors open, and damage control in their racks, a hit from a single missile, even a small one, could be utterly devastating.
Nobody is currently telling any truth in that area of the world.
If there was a drone in the area, then it was there only to give targeting data for the team that launched the missile from shore.
I heard that the Radar interfered with the Radio so they switched off the Radar to communicate that would explain why it didn’t get shot down
My theory is that they flew a UAV into SAM range to see if Moskva will try to track and engage it but once they understood that it’s running without a radar on they decided to fire ASMs
@@jameson1239 Ya so that's not how radar works, like at all. Seriously that's on par with the admiral back in WWII who was worried about the other side seeing the radar beams with their eyes.
Horsetail was roughly equivalent to SQS-35 IVDS
I understand an iowa class ship brief won’t happen this year but is it possible that u can make it one on it next year, the Iowa’s are my favorite battleship class and there has been a lot of videos on their history but never as in depth as ur videos discussing individual systems and weapons and upgrades, btw thank you for the great breakdown of the slava and not using a biased out look on it, too many people just assume it’s a bad ship cause they failed to defend a missile
Are the RBUs legit effective ASW weapons these days? They seem like relics from WW2 almost. Like, a sub would have to be really close and you would have to have a pinpoint fire solution. Is that a realistic scenario these days?
Gut feel is the Chinese use as anti-torpedo weapons is actually more realistic and more likely to succeed. But I have no clue really (which is why I'm throwing the question out there lol).
The fact is that no one is sure how well even the best anti aircraft defenses will stand up against a good, low level flying, anti ship missile.
And that is why most AAW ships is using layered defence as their protection.
Some don’t, but the US does plenty of testing with its AEGIS system against even supersonic sea skimmers using targets.
No. The Russians aren't because they don't train. The US is, because we train against them all the time, and we actually use our old anti-ship missiles as targets. We even had an accident where a training drone failed to break away and hit the ship that was training against it.
Well just last week, NATO frigates + Norway have been test firing missiles against various targets, outside of Norway, and from what I have heard, it went quite well. They tested there systems against all type of targets.
There is an tradition that when a US ship or foreign ship, that are equipped with US radar/weapons comes to US for testing. For example the Norwegian frigates went to USA, when they was new and shoot down all target US could trow at them (And those Norwegian frigates aren't AAW frigates, they are ASW frigate). We know they did it well, due to they hung a broom in the mast (clean sweep).
On 15 October 2016, USS Mason was targeted in a third attack by five anti-ship cruise missiles while operating in the Red Sea north of the Bab el-Mandeb strait. The Navy Times reported the Mason fired a radar decoy, an infrared decoy, and several SM-2 Standard missiles in response, either neutralizing or intercepting four of the five incoming missiles. The Navy reported the fifth incoming missile as neutralized by a radar decoy launched from Nitze, after Mason alerted her to the threat.
bush and gorbie chose malta for the meeting due to the good weather
a few meetings where on the uss belknap
only problem they had was the worst storm in years hit malta so they ended up not getting as much done as they wanted
sure it had the nickname "The sea sick summit"
Pop group? Im assuming that means four radars. Great vid mate. Nice theories. I tend to agree with the one where they were took by surprise. Because if they were alerted then they would have been at action stations already. Right? I assume. But if nowt is going on. Yeah. That sounds right. Thats why I don't believe in distraction attacks. Just go in cold. Better usually. Thanks Sub Brief. Great vid as ever.
At least she got downed by people from the same country that build her
alpha and omega, the beginning and the end
By guess is that the engines can blend together to transition from cruise to high speed, but they won't operate together for any significant amount of time
Btw, anybody know what happened to the sheffield video?
Members only.
On the last point you made, this is not the state of the russian navy: It is the state of their Flagship... their Posterboy; I don't even want to know what is going on on the normal boats.
Another super informative video. Suggest to correct the facts around Moskva’s participation in the invasion of Georgia. August 2008, deployed from Russian base (under lease from Ukraine) in Crimea to provide air cover for Russian invasion of Georgia.
Id live to hear about the Ukrainian sub-conversion-kit as applied ;-)
Did it have any nuke onboared when it sank?
RBU-6000 looks like a very specific job.
You miss pronounced your own name 😂 great video btw.
One point is that some people in Ukraine konw that ship and its possible problems really well and that may be one key role to missile operation against the ship.
Is it common for the usn to deploy a tug with every action group or was that a Russian tradition? I remember the Russian carriers always having at least one tug deploy when ever he went to sea.
I hear these make good artificial reefs!
Why in the COGOG must it be an "OR" not just an "and"? Why would it not be preferable to operate both gas turbines together for monster power?
Gas turbines spin in the 10s of thousands of rpm range it would be difficult to match the speeds and depending on how they optimised the different sized power plants it may not be possible with those engines.
I am glad back ship brief miss that . I realy like!
It blows my mind that they had to have cruise and sprint turbines in such a vital warship????!!
I was a Fireman on an Arleigh Burke and they have 4 GE LM2500 (which is marinized GE CF6: same engine used by the 747) main engines- 2 per engine room/per shaft (Sprucans and Ticos too- same exact layout).
We could do 40+ knots Flank Speed easily- no changing gears there.
In fact the throttle used on those ships looked just like what you'd see on a speed boat. There's 3 of them: 1 in each engine room for local control and one one the bridge, right next to the helm- which itself looked like the yoke from a large modern airplane. So you one man could literally stand there and operate a 505x64 ft, 8000+ ton warship just like a racing boat and run it close to 50 mph!!!
Any satellite photos of ship in extremis?
For the memory of Mark Tasov, he was still Jung who wanted to be a train driver and had to serve the navy to do so got assigned to the Moskova and is one that is still missing his parents will not be abal to greave for him properly until his bloody is recovered.
Maybe i just missed it, but are the CIWS guns on the Moskva automated in the same or similar way the phalanx is?
the AK doesn't have radar on them like the phalanx have, so they are not that self contained system. but they do have there own system, but it's mounted in a different area of the weapon, the system can be automatic or TV-controlled. It do work in similar way as other CIWS, but if the radar system for the CIWS-systems is damaged, then the gun will only be working as a remote controlled system.
@@heuhen Cool, thanks for the response
The word is 5 of the 6 of Moskva’s CIWS were not capable of auto-fire for maintenance issues, so this system was only functional for a 90 degree arc instead of the 260 it was built to cover when the ship sailed (its is 2-6-0 because the helio deck blocks the rearward quarter, unlike the Kirov class that is longer and has 2 extra CIWS on the stern for 3-6-0)
If they'd ever modernised it it would have had Kashtan(30mm & SA-19) replace the ak-630 and gauntlet instead of gecko. far more capable systems that I assume can be warmed up a lot quicker.
19:37 even now I cannot talk about EW details. Sorry man it's really top secret. All I can say it works quite well when activated.
It's pretty great on paper. If maintained to US standards, it would be as threatening as we thought it would be. At least able to defend itself from capsizing in the event they needed damage control. RIP to the sailors.
No wonder they couldn't maintain this properly.
I wonder how many sailors have been at sea too long and been aroused by that radar?
3R41 Cupcake. I see a missed opportunity there...
A fitting subject for a sub brief considering Moskva is now a submarine.
The Brooklyn class carried this much weight and armor plate
Heard that the sea state with high waves created surface clutter, hiding the incoming missiles from the radar. Also heard that not all radars were operational? I was also told all of the rescued crew was jailed afterwards. Not sure if they were released after a debrief or whether they are still imprisoned. Heard the caption was dead? Aaron, any info on this at all?
Moskva had too many issues when it was sunk, more or less it was not operational and it was part foolishness of Russians and part side intel US etc gave Ukranians.
It was a sitting duck
Last leaked readiness documents show them to not have any fire control radars operational. They knew it, and sent it out anyways. Russian brilliance!
Pictures taken by crew from other ships that came to the Moskva showed that the sea state was basically flat
There were no high waves to cause any clutter. We know that because we have weather data and photographs of her sinking that both show there were almost no waves.
It was a flat calm. The Moskva radar did suffered the same issues as the Royal Navy in 1980s - they interfered with radio communications so they had to be switched off when the ship wanted to communicate. An issue that led to warship losses during Falklands War (almost 40yrs ago) but that worldwide know issue was never upgraded in the Slava class. This may not have been the main problem. Chiefly the CIWS were not functional & the OSM was locked on Capt’s orders due to lack of replacement missiles. The S-300 missiles are not a suitable defence against sea-skimmers when the alarms go off late, which is why the other systems exists. A lack of effective ship defence combined with missiles fired from the Oblast next to where she was built, setting light to the engine room. Ship then sinks after flooding due to botched firefighting. I will add the Russian Navy Ministry has delayed updating its firefighting standards between 2000 - 2018 (no evidence this was even considered 1983-1999). The 2020 Sevastopol refit was the Moskva’s only opportunity to have its fire sensors & fire dowsing equipment updated since 1982. Telegram chatter circa 2021 (before the full invasion) says the Navy was ripped off by the Russian contractor in 2020 and the most they achieved was painting over all the original firefighting equipment.
It would be interesting to know who on board is responsible for the ship being struck without warning, or was it equipment failure.
Very much equipment failure
It may have been more of a combined arms failure, If the radars were quiet to avoid being triangulated they have to rely on an external source for their warning, AWACS or Satellite should have spotted the missiles/launch. Then they would have had many minutes warning to go hot and attempt to intercept the missiles.
That sounds incredibly unlikely.. You don't just flip a switch and have a radar system operational and ready to rock in 5 seconds from being powered off, specially when it's Soviet 70's and 80's radars