Celtic Frost 'Cold Lake' Inside the 1988 Album w/ Tony Platt - Tom G Fischer 'Warrior' - Interview
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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Tony Platt.
INSIDE THE ALBUM:
Celtic Frost
'Cold Lake'
Tony talks about his experience while recording the 1988 Celtic Frost glam album, 'Cold Lake.'
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This is one of the most hilarious interviews ever.
It's so easy for younger Celtic Frost to defend Cold Lake and view it as an entertaing and temporary departure from their style. If you were listening since Hellhammer and than picked up that album as a twenty-five-old... and heard them lightening up the sound, singing about cherries, love and wine and dressed like Faster Pussycat that must have been extraordinarily depressing.
It would be like if a twenty-five-year-old now picked a new Toxic Holocaust or Blood Incantation album and it sounded like Five Finger Death Punch and they were dressed in Supreme.
let me put it to you this way. I was also into Slayer and Voivod and getting primed for bands like Napalm Death and Deicide around 1988. I tolerate albums like "Seasons in the Abyss" and "Angel Rat" but Cold Lake threw me for a loop in the worst way. I listen to it now on youtube on 1.25-1.50x speed and pretend it's 80's crossover skate thrash but I also listen to "High and Dry" now too.
“But Tom, he was definitely confused” hahaha classic
They went Reverse-Pantera!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Cold Lake" was the first album I bought in 1988 from Celtic Frost and I could not understand why it was called a Black Metal band. Despites the differences, it's a pretty good album just like "In search of Sanity" from Onslaught. It only proves that if black metal bands try something else they surprises the world with how good they can actually play.
Cold Lake was also the first Celtic Frost album I bought. I recognize it's not that great, but there's a bit of a nostalgia around it for being the first thing I heard from them. It was only later when I finally found Into The Pandemonium that I realized what a bizarre change the band had undergone.
I listen to CL at 1.25x speed and it sounds like 80's skate rock; suits me.
For the longest time "cold lake" was Heavy Metal slang for "career-killing mistake"... until Metallica gave us "Lulu"!
Turbo predates Cold Lake by two years.
@@x-vector7245 Turbo, Cold Lake and Lulu are important milestones. All the greats need that one absolute trainwreck in their catalogue. You can add Megadeth's "Risk" to the list as well.
" Lulu " is the greatest thing Metallica ever did since " ... and justice for all " nonetheless .
@@saraivatoledo1842 Well. At least it seems somebody gets it. I don't. 😄
@@honigdachs. hahah . You will , no worries ...
I don't give a damn what anyone thinks, I love Cold Lake.
Me too
I love Cold Lake. Don't care what anybody else thinks about it.
Would like to hear his take on Another Perfect Day. Great album
Celtic Frosted Flakes
I feel Roses Without Thorns was great. Juices Like Wine is a comical song... The album may have been called lousy by many fans and even the band but there are die hard fans like me call it wonderful.
CL is pretty rough but Vanity/Nemesis holds up.
Remember buying this album when it first came out. Was like walking bare foot and stepping in cold shit. What a disappointing album.
that ghost story is pretty damn amusing lol
It is not necessary to say that “he was definitely confused” the band was completly out of focus. The album got its moments like: (Once) They Were Eagles, Juices Like Wine, Downtown Hanoi and Roses Without Thorns. These songs I think that are the older ones from the album, they are more in CF vein than the rest.
it wasn' t at all a celtic frost 's album , but much more a tom warrior solo effort , because he really wanted to break through , from the underground extreme metal grounds !!!
Tom G. Warrior/Fischer played guitar/vocalist on Cold Lake as well as the other albums. Curt Victor Bryant played bass on this album. Very good traditional Heavy Metal. Stop listening with your eyes.
Truth. It was a decent album in an 80s style. Everyone did this back then. The image was terrible, but the record was decent.
@@DrJ-hx7wv Everyone did not do that at all.
@@rorybell2161Clearly you have not heard the Sodom, Mercyful Fate, Destruction, Torr, Venom, Bathory and Root Hair Metal albums, they're very very rare.
Cold Lake had some great moments... The worst part is the Aqua Net in the photos...
BEAUTIFUL PRINCESS COLD LAKE CUTE ALBUM 💋 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
Very underrated album, over the top hair metal
@Fryx Ur Absolutely, I always liked it for its strangeness. And I think the songs are great.
I love it too. Weird and great
My favorite Celtic frost album 🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥
I'm so sick 🤢 and sad 😭 to hear that
So funny 😆! Great name for a band.
Musically , it was pretty much NWOBHM + Power metal + Rest of old CF + Prince meets punky depraved rock n roll attitude , which make a slight black smoke still subtily in it .
The image was that derision thing it was
But i don't think a stupid look label the music .
They werent alone lol.
I listen the music
Yeah i love extreme metal , especially that first wave , but that first wave didnt have or need to work by rules to be
First
Second , i grew up with Deep Purple , Sabb , Trapeze , Budgie , Sweet, Priest , Saxon , Samson , Holocaust , Angel witch , Hollow ground etc..
I love others stuff like Wilson pickett , Mahavishnu orchestra , Christian death , Prince ., Cocteau twins
Not just narrow evil shit to the point its also manufactured .
So to me hearing the influence of some of thoses bands in riffs and knowning that the stuff they did grew up with , im not scandalized by hearing it as opposite to most extreme metal fans that seem to have forget what was metal before thrash or black metal and calling it ridiculously sell out or glam anything
By anything .
Cold lake to me was a transition in the sense its the bridge to nemesis , also in the growing of technical playing .
And have some of straightfoward ITP continuity with more heavy metal riffs in the CF darkness and Christian death moaning meets the grunt ..
I think a lot of fans get suprised because reading some comments i think they skipped the ITP phase .
By having the same attitude towards that one than Cold lake .
Because it wasnt a fucking monolithic album .
Because if they did , and ( contradiction again for thrash fans ) they payed better attention as they claim on music and not image , they would notice that Once they were eagles , Pretty obsession , Dowtown hanoi , Juices like Wine , Tease me , The terrific Rose without thorns still quite in the vein of Into the pandemonium in some ways .
Just more straightfoward in formula as it don't have all thoses orchestra stuff .
You can't compare that to pretty boy floyd or whatever , or you re deaf as fuck.
Also on ITP , you had Mexican radio or better still , I wont dance .
A track like Cherry orchards is pretty much in the same vein .
And yet , in landscapes , Cherry orchards have a darker mood and sinister riffs ( with the female voice ) than I wont dance so ?
The others tracks are less inspired but even Little velvet , the riffs sounds like .....Samson / Diamo'd head maybe .
But the buzz of the guitar intro with drums with a pull off kind of stuff a little out of tune back to DNA of the band back to morbid tales .
Ugly sounds
And the outro its damn heavy , like 1985 -1987 CF .
Also as people didnt noticed even Cold lake is more punk ( piss off everybody ) & goofy variation of that , but you didnt remember that reed , Dominic steiner , and Ron , and even Tom had hairspray / Perm big hair and make up in 1985 -1987 too .
Especially ITP , where Ron and reed seems to be straight of TV series like " Love & Glory &, Beauty ( or metal in that case ) .
It wasnt that new .
I mean you guys seems like you all hiberned from hellhammer and morbid tales then Wake up to Cold lake " OMG ".
Very good points, I agree. When that album came out, I got it on cassette and yes, I was slightly disappointed, but I didn't think it was this horrible mess that didn't belong to the CF canon. It still sounded like CF, but with some some weird punk and glam elements added to it. Not a big deal. Still a fun listen. Nobody I knew dissed that album like people do now. There wasn't (I speak of 80's and 90's) that obsession with the history of metal and all the definitions of subgenres and rankings and genealogies that is going on now. By the way, Songs from Cold Lake ended up on the Parched With Thirst I m and Dying compilation in 1992. If you listen to that comp it all flows very well and of the different flavors of the various CF albums complement each other.
@@amerigoormea I agree too, not a great album, but not really a stinker and you're absolutely right in "Parched..." it flows well!
@@andywitch666 well i have demos , which sounds quite more dynamic , heavier and More convincing .
@@Nissardpertugiu It'll be interesting to hear them!..!
@@andywitch666 on youtube there re few
I've always said Cold lake is actually a masterpiece it's a sleazy grimy piece of work that only somebody from a Norwegian country could produce is it their best no but it's damn good in my opinion
Celtic Frost is not from Norway. Cold Lake is indeed a shite record.
Cold Lake wouldn't get so much flak if Fischer hadn't changed the whole band and adopted the glam look. The songs are much better than the visual.
Best album since piper at the gate of dawn! One of my favorite.
What?!
Tom should have formed a side band where he could express his hair metal inclinations without any inhibitions. And maybe he should have an alternate glam inspired stage name. The album didn't turn out great because as the producer said, he was "confused".
I listen to music with my ears, not my eyes and Cold Lake sounds absolutely nothing like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, etc. I know alot of guys were very sensitive about a band's image so I guess that affected their perception of the music very deeply. If that album is glam so is "Peace Sells".
Tom G.Worrior was not the Bass player.
Yeah, wasn't he the singer/guitarist?
Yes.
"WoRRior" wasn´t his pseudonym either!!!!!! LMAO
@@franksmith4277 yes
Eighties Tom was a driven , difficult guy . But Cold Lake should never be considered a Celtic Frost album . It's crazy that Tom went along with the recordings , the photo shoots and videos from that period.
This guy is a classic rock guy n should have never been working with Celtic Frost.He doesn’t even know who played what
LOL that's true! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
In the studio? See who layed the tracks? Maybe what he said is correct. He wasn't a fan before, not a fan after and thirty years plus after. Yeah, hold it against him. Just being Devil's advocate.
Tom is not the bassist😃😃😃
@@Grizzletopz He’s not, but he recorded lots of bass parts on this since Martin was gone and he turned most guitar over to Oliver on this. In the studio whoever can get the part down best happens quite often without it saying so on the album credits. For example, many albums have credits for guys who weren’t even in the band till after recording.
Tom G Warrior probably recorded the bass parts on this album. Just because a musician doesn’t play it in live gigs normally it doesn’t mean they don’t ever play it for recording in the studio.
The producer himself doesn´t knows WHO the bass player was LOL. It´s really noticeable how much he hated Warrior Hahaha! I think the TERRIBLE album production was mostly Platt´s responsability but you can´t blame him for everything. Having to deal with 4 confused guys who didn´t know exactly what to do in the first place must be really hard. I mean the album is a whole mess of bad mixing, production, musical direction & terrible songwriting. Anyway this is a great interview, loved Platt´s insight into the moment. Brutally honest LOL.
Who knows what he saw in the studio.
@@jeremiahpapa7868 Who knows Karen..maybe some evil presences? Rats? Maybe that's the reason why he did such a terrible work. Yes. 🤣
Cold Lake is a great record, it's just not a Celtic Frost record.
good album, better than the pretentious into the pandemonium.
oh man. you know nothing about music.... what a ridiculous comment my god!
Holy shit that's funny, those pranks
IMO, aside from a few tracks on Into the Pandemonium, anything Tom has done after To Megatherion isn't worth listening to.
Celtic Frost had two amazing groundbreaking albums. Not many bands can say that. But it doesn't necessarily mean subsequent works will be worth a damn, which is the case here (IMO)
Vanity/Nemesis is nowhere near as original and important as the first two but it's a good album.
cold lake is better than into the pandemonium.
@@Mad_Axe_Man125 Cold Lake wasn't even Celtic Frost. Without Tom AND Martin, it's not Frost.
Whut???? Monotheist and everything tom did with triptykon was top notch, it was full of darkness and aggression, he developed his own celtic frost style into triptykon. Monotheist & Morbid Tales are my fave but i think to mega therion, morbid tales AND monotheist are all masterpieces.
The biggest mistake they ever made. Definitely glad they didn't continue with this garbage.
Tom Warrior ended up marrying a girl I went to high school with she was very cool she liked a lot of glam bands her voice is on Cherry Orchards Tom abandoned the guitar player in San Antonio for some reason, Kurt is still here very cool dude for the record Mexican Radio was worst
Wait really? Why San Antonio out of all places. Didn’t know he was here
They fall in love with all these beautiful Hispanic girls…David Wayne, Mark Reale, Rick Sanford, etc. all lived in SA…
Funny how Tom talks shit about Metallica covering one of their songs because James hunts, yet he’d eat all Burger King when they made this album.
hes a hypocrit poser. Just a moody douche who takes himself way too seriously. met him once, really short guy.
Yeah it's called personal growth. I doubt he's proud of how he was back then. In fact he's explicitly not! But you know, we all live and grow. Sometimes we stop eating endlesss burger Kings and start thinking differently about our choices
" Burger King Raids " \m/
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ..the warrior strikes again
Celtic Frost had some amazing artwork on their early album covers. They, eventually, learned how to play but it was much too late with their misguided hair metal style change.
I get confused over this Celtic Frost and the black metal Celtic Frost
who
Tom seems like a horrible person to work with. He obviously has extremely high ambitions and pushes his talent to the very limits of what he’s capable of. This resulted in two brilliant albums and one great album. Vanity/Nemesis was not great but it wasn’t horrible and it was a preview as to what was next. Cold Lake. It was the freaking mockery of every person who loved heavy music. Even the glam rockers were like, “What the hell is this garbage”. I still can’t begin to understand how the band thought that they were putting out a record to at least preserve their legacy.
Cold Lake came before Vanity Nemesis.
It was an OK album. Everyone was doing that sort of thing back then. It wasn't a glam album by far, but it wasn't with a great band. Read the lyrics. That's typical Celtic Frost.
What made it worse was going from corpse paint and all black to farah fawcett hair, posing topless wearing red braces! Otherwise it would have probably disappeared into the mists of time …
Wow! Spooky guys spooked by a joke!
That's not Celtic Frost. That's a random anonymous band from Southern California trying to be next Motley Crue.
While comparing ''C.L.'' with Bathory's Octagon or Morbid Angel's '' I-D-I'', i find myself liking the Swiss product more, in the false category for ''most self-career-wrecking'' album. I say it's false because it may be induced by either hasty 1st impressions or by careless music journalism, generating prejudice in the back of your mind.
Of course C.lake is different, but not as different as to become disfigured solely by their then ''made up'' image. Octagon, as far as i can understand, was supposed to continue ''Requiem'' but it failed, not for the spirit of it, but for the tech-related aspects that turned that album into a ''less exciting'' album by Bathory (drums sound awfully, Q.'s vocals were unnecessarily ''screamed'', guitars and bass in an amalgam). But even with Bathory people started to whine way back in 1990 because of Hammerheart, failing to see its groundbreaking potential.
Now, i cannot explain why M.Angel's ''Illud...'' disappointed so much - not that their public was not used to hearing weird and eerie interludiums, on the contrary, but the whole album's narrative and sonic flow amounts to the sensation of the band not exactly realizing what they were assembling in studio. The alleged flaws on C.Lake are not even that palpable - it might have been a stylistic ''pesky sea-change'' ( to quote a famous old Terrorizer reader) but was coherently executed. I have C.Lake and V/Nemesis (among CF's entire discog), i also have the aforementioned 3 Bathory's albums, and i don't regret Octagon entirely. But I still haven't got Illud Divinum Insanus, the only MA's album missing on my shelf. That was a colder lake.
I love tom G but he has some issues haha, this was probably a really bad time for him too
If it wasnt for the Cherry Orchards video in1988 I'd never have heard of the band .The music is far from glam at all .Cold Lake is a great album
Calling Cold Lake a "glam record" is totally laughable tho. Maybe the back cover made them look that way.....but the music is anything but.
so according to platt here, bowie was into changing image and that was fine, but suddenly frost wernt allowed to. make your mind up platt. cold lake is hilarious but has some good tunes for sure. but to say one thing is ok for one artist and not another when you are slagging them for doing that is just low dude. HEYYYYYYYY!!
ironic also that they did a bowie cover no?
I believe he was saying that Bowie was constantly changing. Celtic Frost did a 180 after cementing themselves into one thing. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.
@@machupikachu1085 cool story bro
he didnt explain anything about them making it really, just stories of practical jokes , boring
Yeah, your stories about the band are far more popular.
I think he accidently said it all when he said "a practical joke is making somebody do something they otherwise wouldn't do" that's not even the definition of a practical joke. Gave himself away there perhaps.
Trash album. Total sell out.
They got to make records and tour the world. WBU?
@@machupikachu1085 Tom warrior called this album total 💩💩🚽 said it was the worst mistake of his life
you people are weird , saying this is you fav, CF Lp just weird , not in a cool way either.,
I know, I know, only the albums YOU like are cool.
tom warrior was the singer guitarist. not the bassist like this tool platt just said
umm...maybe Tom was cutting bass in the studio?? Were you there?
@@machupikachu1085 yes i was there actually.
@@esseel7896 "yes i was there actually."
You helped on the production of the Cold Lake album?
@@machupikachu1085 no i was on the desk for pandemonium.
So Tony Platt forgot for a second who played bass on an album he produced 33 years ago that almost no one cares about, lol. Or just another successful practical joke on Tom Joke Warrior.
Cared about by more people than Tony Who?
Tom probably cut bass in the studio. He seemed like a control freak then.
@@alexhicks5889 Tony has made millions and produced more hit albums than Alex Nothing.
Into the crypt of gays 🤣🤣 " I mean,Asshole was the only way of describing him I'm afraid" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Looks like the Swiss (Tom G) have less humour than the Germans.
Their best album Period. Their worst live show Period. The album remind me in many ways about Quorthons Album.
🤣
LOL Nowadays he (TW) is as insufferable as ever boasting about being vegan!
The guitar player couldn't play the guitar. Just bad 👎
Like if Tom leads were better in 3 first records ..
The only thing about Amberg then was his life style and that had impact on his playing .
But on his others projects , yiu can't say , even with dominic steiner ( great bass player ) that he s bad .
On.the cold lake album , well on demos. There s nice phrasing between the chaotic parts if you make attention and flashy stuff with a very agressive style which i think is a good point on the album, its making burst on the music and harmonics that are very unique and add to the deceiving and whole uniqueness of the album .
Because except the fact no album sounds like Cold lake , i can say that amberg solos sounds like nobody else . Its abstract .
Also some riffs are not that simplistic , i can be wrong but if i remember as also a drummer myself i can say that certain parts of Downtoi hanoi at least and others breaks in few songs are in 5/4 time signature .
If you really can't play the guitar i don't know how you can compose material in thoses metrics .
@@Nissardpertugiu I love everything els they ever did , however if you have ever seen the live at Hammersmith they have some other hair band type guy on the guitar .
I own Cold lake
@@stephenskiles7782 the Hammersmith is a off night
The boston Gig is much better .
Again Oliver was abusing substances then , so in the consistancy of course its quite compromising .
The only other guy , is Curt victor , who is a monster player really .
On the bass , but a guitar player too that you can hear on Vanity and more especially on the excellent Nemesis of power demo of 1993 .
The guy schredds ..
Other than that , well Hair metal
I never get that tag for a guitar player that was coming from the original formation of Coroner .
Its a bit weird of statement .
Also ,if you look accuratly , just for take 1 example , they had big perms in 1987 sessions .
It didnt happened with Cold lake ..
@@Nissardpertugiu Tom sang on Coroner's demo. I will check out the Boston gig.