Syriac-Aramaic implications of Arabic greeting "marHabān"
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- What does the #Arabic greeting “marHabān” imply in Syriac -Aramaic?
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Marhaba (Or Marhaban) came from the Arabic root "Rahab" or "rhb" (which means: vast, wide, comfortable), and it has lot of derivations. So the meaning is: welcome to the "wide" or "big" place, in other words, "we have a spacious welcoming place for you". Other versions of "Marhaba" are used among closed communities in Arabia who never exposed to any Aramaic or Syriac influence. The versions are "Arhib-أرحب" and "Arhibu-أرحبوا", "Marhaba Alf", "Tarahib". More over, the word attested in the first Arabic dictionary, made in the 8th century AD, one century before the first Syriac-Aramaic dictionary.
Update 1:The word "Marhaban" is not the only similar Arabic expression in Arabic language. There are also other expressions that are almost identical in their grammatical structure and linguistic beauty, such as: "Ahlan wa Sahlan", and "Ahlan" means "Hello, we will be like family to you", and “Sahlan” means “Hello, our land/home, will be comfortable for you to walk.” As we see clearly, all these expressions came from one source, one culture, and one language, that is capable of this elegant eloquence, which is Arabic.
Update 2: This root “rhb”, exactly as it is, and with the same meaning, as it is in the Arabic, is also found in Canaanite inscriptions dating back at least about 3800 years, so... did the Canaanites also took it from the Arameans?.
Update 3: I just found out that there are two tribes with name of "Al Marhabi", one in Southern Saudi Arabia and the other in Yemen, and there is no direct relation between these two tribes, and again, both are far away from any alleged Aramaic influence. That’s another evidence that this word “Marhaba” has roots, origins, linguistic and cultural foundations among the Arabs, in contrast to the stupid, illogical and unconvincing “Aramaic” interpretation, which is culturally and linguistically, inconsistent with any Aramaic backgrounds.
Aramaic is a dead language and lexically poor, and the reason for its existence until now is its use in the Arab and Middle Eastern churches, just like Latin in Europe.
It's one language
Arabic is a very new language, older languages like Aramaic is what inspired a part of the Arabic language
@@dianakarake1729
A language isn't new it's simply evolving.
Are you forgetting the nabatean language
@@slayedclaw317 Tell me how old is Arabic, less than 2000 years. How old is Aramaic, nearly 4000 years
@@dianakarake1729
You aren't using your brain.
All languages today are different from their past forms.
Morden arabic evolved from Nabatean arabic in the BC era
Same way Aramaic today is not the same as the one as it's predecessor.
Try to understand
I speak Eastern Syriac I'm Assyrian. Arameans and Assyrians share the language but some words and dialect is different. I did not know this. Very interesting!
No such thing as assryisn
@@slayedclaw317 Damn no way. What a weird world we live in. Ppl believe there’s a million made up genders, but there’s no such thing as Assyrians.
@@atouraya7779
Lol a fake word created by western academics who know nothing about the middle east.
تتكلم الايرانية انت ، الارامية لغة قديمة جدا جدا لقوم عاشوا في الجنوب و هي نسب للعرب القدماء في أيضا في جنوب الجزيرة العربية و ليست لغة حاليا إنما مجرد تاريخ و إسطورة
The Aramaeans, the Assyrians, and the Arabs are all Semitic languages, Sam bin Noah, peace be upon him
It is little bet same bro I really like it, aramic and arabic its so close really ❤
Sorry, but that's completely erroneous information. "Marhab(an)" is a noun connoting a place or condition of expansiveness. It is a derivitive of the verb "rahiba or rahuba" each with a slightly differen meaning of being spacious.
An example in "makanun rahb = a spacious place" or birahbis sadr= "with a wide chest or open heart". "Marhaban" and "ahlan wa sahlan" are both expressions of welcoming-No reference to Almighty Allah there.
Marhaban is purely Arabic which is a living language spoken by millions around the globe even by many non-Arabs.
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this comment is clearly full of pride and nothing else. arabic was influenced by the languages before it, and you dont like that. proudly reminding everyone of your colonizer history does not make you a better person. saying that "arabic is spoken by millions of people" to an aramaic speaker is outright disrespectful. you are trying to threaten them ajd make them feel small and unimportant. no matter how many speakers you have due to conquest and colonization, you cannot change truth.
your comment is that of an oppressive and proud bully.
@@BrookeLukasik
But the counter argument is sound. Because "marhab" is a masdar mimiy "مصدر ميمي".
So the "م" or "m" is additional here. While r.h.b. is original letters. It is "pure third letters word" or tsulasiy mujarrad.
For the influence, yes, in arabic, it do have words ّرب (Lord) , ّحب (love/preference) and رحب (to be wide) each with its noun and adjective forms.
I'm not discrediting aramaic here but the person in video did say "we believe that..." indicating it was an assumption.
It's nothing about pride lmao the pronounced nūn is actually tanwīn not etymological. The root exist in many arabic words and the derivtion of marhaban is really clear for a speaker of arabic. Arabic may have some aramaic loans but this for sure isn't one of them @@BrookeLukasik
And this is what we call false friends, words that are not related but very similar in meaning and/or phonetics.
Coping 😂😂
homophones, sorry but the euphimisms of non-english languages may not be translated, nor percieved the same way it is in it's nativity.
Wrong etimology. Maybe the sound looks close but the root is way different as many said here.
And it has nothing to do with which language came before. It's about the root of the word.
In Arabic, the root "rhb رحب" means "vast, wide, open land" which, in the case of welcoming, would indicate the heartly welcomeness"; and it's has been used in Arabic since the beginning. Anyone with basic knowlege of "Sarf/الصرف" would know that adding the "M/م" in "Mrhba/مرحبا" makes the root means a place, and adding "A/ا" makes it a wish. So, "MrhbA" means "May it be a vast place for you". That's the beauty of Arabic, the "Balagha/البلاغة" or "eloquence", where adding one letter substitutes adding words the enrich the meaning.
Now I'm wondering if it's historically proven that syriacs used "mor-hobbo" as a greeting. If so, it would be a liguistic coincidence, nothing more.
Finally, the modern understanding of languages is based on the western mindset. Maybe the "middle eastern" languages back then were considered merely "accents" or "dialects".
how could that be a "linguistic coincidence" when they are soo similar, and arabic came close after aramaic, and was influenced by it ?
@@BrookeLukasik excuse me, are you a native Arabic speaker?
The two words are completely different in the Arab ear and linguistically (I thought I explained that very clearly in my response). The speaker here, although seemingly a Palestinian, his linguistic knowledge is obviously very humble.
I'll give you an example:
The word "Joder" is a Spanish insult that delivers the taste of "f*ck you" (sorry).
We have the Arabic name that is "خضير" (Khudeir) that looks and sounds pretty much the same as "Joder" in Spanish. Yet, the Arabic name mean "little ever-green".
In no way would it be acceptable that an Arab person say that "Joder" sneaked into Spanish after centuries of influence during Al_Andalus Era.
The debate between which language came first is fruitless; let's agree that both languages (Arabic and Syriac/Aramic) coexisted and have many shared roots.
Summary: Similarity doesn't mean same roots. Mor-hobbo was never a greeting (as far as I know) and is way beyond having the same root with "rhb"/vast.
Regards,
Ibn Hibban said in his book As-Sahih, from Abu Dharr, that the Prophet said, O Abu Dharr, four among the Prophets spoke a language called (Syriac:) Adam, Seth, Akhanukh (Enoch), the first to use the pen (after Adam) and Noah.
if this indeed correct then how can Syriac be from Aramaic ?
the Akkadians
Amorites
both mixed with the Canaanites
Arami tribe Ad,sons of Aws/Uz conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites making them Aws in origin
When the actual tribe of Ad perished,Prophet Hud pbuh was with the Arami tribe Thamud who are from him , they lived from North Arabia to the greater part of Syria mixing with the Assyrians and it was the Akkadians who are from Hud pbuh
When Tha,ud went astray ,Nabi Saleh pbuh was sent to them and when they perished it was the Amorites who are from Saleh pbuh
When actual tribe of Thamud perished the Akkadians formed the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who mixed /absorbed the Amorites not sure if all
the akkadians and amorites are Aws and Athiri in origin with element of Arphaxad , they mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh
if I am correct from Ibn Sa d it was said Nimrod bin Arphaxad dwelling place was al Hijr
just a mix of Semites even some people claim Prophet Hud pbuh was Eber ,however we know he is Arami but nothing is mentioned about his mother who could have been from women of Arphaxad
how can Syriac be from Aramaic then ?
İbin taberani tarihinde aynı hadis var
Mar=the highest, not always means god, but it can be used as god, it depends what we talking about, it can mean highest teacher if we're in school, highest chef if we're in a restaurant, and so on, so mar-hb, means highest love.
Nope. The origin of marhaban word is rahb. It's the welcoming. It's not syriac
Welcome
Cukup menarik. 🇮🇩
Arabs say that but it didn’t come from Assyrian cuz Assyrians say how r u when they meet u in the language of
They’re both Semitic languages along with hebrew, so for course they’ll have a lot of common words.
Jordanian Aramaic here🇯🇴
I would love to learn Aramaic(syriac) language and learn Syrian Orthodox Christianity.
It is a dream to visit Syria one day. 🇸🇾
this is so wrong lol. Both words exist but each language has its own origin for the word, Arabic Marhāban" comes from the verb origin "رحب" or R-H-B (Ra77aba) and it means "he welcomed" so when you say marhaban it's a completely different than the syriac one
Well I hope you know that Arabic came from older Semitic languages and one of them is Assyrian.
@@dianakarake1729 that still doesn't prove that the word marhaba is loaned
@@habzzfr Im not trying to prove it. The truth is the truth and the word comes from old languages like Aramaic and Assyrian.
@@dianakarake1729 how come? lol. did u even read my comment? they have different origins, idk about the syriac one but the arabic one means "welcome" by origin
@@dianakarake1729 let's say it's from Aramaic, ok and?
Schlomo is hello in aramaix
False it's in one dialect
لا تتحدث بلهجة سكان جنوب الجزيرة العربية
Aramaic is a goat
Brother looks like Clean post Malone ❤😂
You werido loner.
I always thought that "marHaban" meant for "welcome"
Not correct.
مرحبا comes from the root rhb which means the vast plain place.
This expression means that you come to a vast place and you don't bother me with your visit.
Aramaic is not Arabic and Aramaic isn’t the name of a ethnicity is this guy really Assyrian he could even identify himself as one
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Is this at all related to the word "Merkaba"? Referring to the light body?
Merkaba means "the ridden thing" or specifically a "chariot". Markeb in some arabic dialects means a ship
arapça ibranice gibi bir çok sami dillerin aramiceden türediğini söylemişlerdi
The araminian guy no haircut would have look him like jesus 😂
Beni sam dileri akrabadır keldani Süryani arapça İbranice ve Aramice aynıkoktendirler belkide Kıpti dilide olabilir
bullshit .. Marahaba in Arabic is taken from the word رحب or "ra7b" .. it means "wide" or "flat".
dude these people just claim everything to make themselves proud there is so many of this idiot
Absolutely not, if you have some history, Arabs have taken clearly many things of Aramaic
@@baudouiniv9766 no is not Arabic is Arabic never aramaic dirty non humans sayfo stop lie idiot
@@baudouiniv9766 yeah I came across this idiot bullshit before. neither Arabic took anything from Aramaic nor the vise versa, both Arabic and Aramaic are Semitic languages, that means both Arabs (real Arabs from Arabian peninsula, not everyone who speaks Arabic is Arab) and Assyrians who later became Aramaic people used to be one group of people who shared one language before (proto-semitic) before they split. don't be an idiot.
@@nasser6692 You don’t know anything about history and etymology. Arabs had nothing before they took from other native people :The Arabic alphabet evolved either from the Nabataean,[1][2] or (less widely believed) directly from the Syriac.[3] The table below shows changes undergone by the shapes of the letters from the Aramaic original to the Nabataean and Syriac forms. The Arabic script shown is that of post-Classical and Modern Arabic-notably different from 6th century Arabic script. (Arabic is placed in the middle for clarity and not to mark a time order of evolution.)
(Wikipedia)
House in Aramaic: ܒܝܬܐ( Bayto,a)
In Arabic : بيت ( Bayt)
Welcome : ܐܗܠܐ ܣܗܠܐ( ahlo sahla)
Arabic ( أهلا و سهلة) Ahla w sahla)
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First Arabic scripture were recorded at the 6th century. Syria Aramaic or Nabatean Aramaic was centuries before Arabic. Denying this is denying history and scientist search.
Marhaba, comes from r h b ر ح ب the theme pf “welcome, spatious, wide” etc and has nothing to do with marhaba being mor hobo.. god is love..
Although it would have been plausible since lebanon’s language and the levant’s language before arabisation was aramaic but it is not a true etymology.
It's one language
لغة أهل لبنان و الشام كانت لاتينية و فارسية ، ربما تقصد في ذلك الزمان السحيق ٣٠٠٠ ق.م عندما كان يسكن العرب الفينيقيين و اللخميين و الكنعانيين و غيرهم في الشام
Alternate universe tenacious d
also Assalamualaikum
shalom aleichem ????
These are reflexes of the same roots. They’re not taken from one another, but both evolved from a common source.
Aramaic is the Language he is Assyrian tell him that and u should know too
He didn’t claim to be Assyrian . With your logic then I’m a Canaanite . Why are you asssyrians always so arrogant . You were once a great empire and will never be again . In a few decades you will probably be extinct
ܡܪܚܒܐ
Elvish yadav
This is a lie, the Semitic languages branched from a single mother Semitic language, and the Arabic language is the closest language to this Semitic mother language. Syriac cannot know the meanings of its words except by referring to the roots of the words in the Arabic language, because their languages have become extinct.
And the word (marhaba) is derived from the Arabic root (r h b), which means something wide, “that is, you will not find narrowness with us, but rather you will find spaciousness.”
Have you reached this stage of weak arguments and proofs to prove your false religion with lies?
اللغة العربية ام اللغات ولهجتك. السريانية مشتقة من اللغة العربية. كلمة مرحبا هي عربية منوجذر رحب ومن مفردات كلمة رحب كلمة واسع. كأنه يقول اي المكان يتسع لكم وليس كما قلت اختراع الكلمات عمدكم خطة فاشلة
Syriac comes from Assyrian. Assyrian is much older than Arabic, and it was spoken in the whole middle east. The Arabs or at that time Bedouins made the language Arabic out of many older languages in the middle east, one of them was Assyrian.
@@dianakarake1729
No one calls the language "assryian" in the middle East
@@slayedclaw317 Well it's Aramaic in the origin. But many Assyrians call it Assyrian sometimes.
@thed00d197 هذا كلامك فقط يا غلام نتفهم هواك لكن للاسف يبقى هرطقة ولد ليس له علم بهذه الامور. اللغة العربية ام اللغات الا اذا كنت لغوي وعالم لسانيات مثل اللغويين الذين أثبتوا أن العربية أم اللغات فسنناقش رايك. وبالمناسبة علماء غربيين مش عرب يلا حبيبي. ليلة توف
@thed00d197 طيب يا ولد خذ نفسك وروح العب بلايستيشن أو نم لتذهب إلى المدرسة بكرا هذا ما ينقصني النقاش مع الصبيان
More hobo = God is love? 😅
Aramaic is the oldest still-speaking language in the world. Arabic was derived from Aramaic and not the other way around!!!!!!
Galat Aramaic and Arabic dono Semitic hain.iska matlab ye nahi ki Arabic Aramaic se aaya hain.Arabic ka janm tribal speech ki tarah huwa tha.Naaki Jo tum bol rahe ho.
No syriacs only Assyrian
I wanna learn aramaic but i am in india
You can learn from UA-cam my friend.
If you are in or near Kerala , the archdiocese for the Malankara Orthodox Church is headquartered in Niranam. They use Syriac as their liturgical language
@@p3acemak3r actually my grandmother is belongs to syrian orthodox Christian family, but i am in Chennai, and my mom didn't taught me Malayalam, so how i can learn without any support 😓
@@dianakarake1729 which channel
@@dianakarake1729 you can't
Do you know that jesus is muslim
Aramaic is an old Arabic dialect and not the other way around.
Hahaha inferiority complex😂
Yes rahib means wide wasi’a as a word! But “Mar” includes the R ر is one word and habba or hobbo is other word! but the word mar-haba or מר-אהבה in Hebrew means Lord is love God is love!
You are saying r-h-b رحب but at the same time you completely ignored “mar”! And the whole word complete existed in the ancient Syriac/Aramaic language as Mor-hobbo!
These people don’t know history! If they have the decency to go to the Google search engine and ask what was the language of the Middle East before the Islamic invasion! Everyone will tell you it was ARAMAIC!
From Iraq to Syria Lebanon Jordan Judea Samaria all spoke Aramaic!
But these Muslims want to say anything I mean any thing! To bash down the truth! Just like their prophet did! By the sword he was sent! To kill those who don’t believe in al-Lah and the last day until they give gizzia in humiliation عن يد وهم صاغرون
IOI Look who is talking a Jew and his Torah has a full chapter’s on killing everyone how isn’t a Jew like them including children and babies f.., off
@@yoniwolf6008 Chapter and verse and we talk about it! For the establishment of the promise land had to come with bloodshed there is no other way around it! People knew who they are facing the true God! All the inhabitants of the earth heard about the miracles of God in Egypt and going out from it! All preparations for the promise land which from it comes the salvation of God! And now God is preparing the nations for his second coming! Your allah who is satan is killing the Christians and the Jews "fight them allah will punish them with your hands!”
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You are saying r-h-b رحب but at the same time you completely ignored “mar”! And the whole word complete existed in the ancient Syriac/Aramaic language as Mor-hobbo! )
We ignored “mar”? well, except there is no "mar", it’s "mr", with "Fatha" on the "M" (The Fatha is a diacritical mark signifying an open vowe), so how "mr" became "Mar" while "Mar" still used to refer the a lot churches and towns in Syria? Also, it’s not "Mor-hobbo"!!, don’t twist the word, it’s "Mrhaba". The first time Arabs heard this expression was with a Yemeni king before Islam, it was pronounced as "Mrhaba". That make a lot of sense, because peple in southern Arabia still use this expression and other variations of it, like "Mrhaba alf" (i welcome you 1000 times) and "Arhibu" or "Arhib", in fact, even a name can be derived from it "Tarahib", means the person who always says "Mrhaba". I might add, in case you wonder, from where is the "m", well, the "m" can mean in the old Southern Arabic languages: "the", which explain why Egyptians say "Mbarih" instead of "Albarih".
(the word mar-haba or מר-אהבה in Hebrew means Lord is love God is love!)
So this dead language, Hebrew, that wasn't used out side synagogues, influenced Arabic, one of the most vibrant, richest, influential and powerful languages in the history?. Are you really that delusional?!.
(But these Muslims want to say anything I mean any thing! To bash down the truth! Just like their prophet did! By the sword he was sent! To kill those who don’t believe in al-Lah and the last day until they give gizzia in)
Stupid old propaganda: The Arab Muslims didn’t kill "those who don’t believe in al-Lah", the Syriac and the rest of the native Christians were often treated with respect, and they had a great role in translating from Greek (which they had been forced to learn from the Greeks!) into Arabic, for centuries, some of them had great prestige with the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphs. Syrian Christians were subjected to horrific injustices and massacres at the hands of the Greeks and Romans, not at the hands of the Arab Muslims. In any case, the Christian mass graves, and abandoned Christian towns and churches, are in the lands of the Kurds (American allies) and the Turks (NATO allies), not the Arabs. Instead of these stupid and ridiculous topics (Marhaba, is of Syriac origin), you should demand America and NATO to return you to your lands. I mean, America and NATO are "democracies" and believes in the "European values", right?
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First of all, I know that it is Mr and not Mar I’m saying Mar because that’s how English speaking people say it in English since our comments are in English so I said that “he focused on Rahib as in Wasi’a (wide) but ignored that the word is not rahib is Haba and the R goes back to the first word which is Mar. Again I used Mar and not Mr because I’m saying in English [Mar][haba]. Marhaba.
Arabs took that word as greeting!
Remember that the majority of the Middle East was speaking Syriac-Aramaic language as it was the dominant language in the Middle East!
The quran full of Syriac-Aramaic words for example the word Tor طور the whole Surah named طور an Syriac-Aramaic word which means Jabal جبل. And many more I have plenty of examples and I can share with you here!
The first Muslims scholars admitted to some degree that the quran is full of non-Arabic words! I said to some degree because they are lying! Why!? Because we see them in other tafaser they didn’t understand certain words and admitted that they are non Arabic words and they were confused about their meanings!
And as always they don’t agree and they say the famous words “allah knows best”
Meanwhile muhammad told his followers that in case of confusions with words in the quran that they should go back to the Arabs Poets!
So everything Is pure lies!
1. Quran is not pure understandable Arabic.
2. Arabic as a language was a very small language spoken by a minority in the Arabian peninsula!.
Remember that even the name Makkah is not an arabic word! It’s an Aramaic word! I will share with you words and even names of muhammad followers their names are not arabic! But you guys are too wise in your own eyes, big headed, don’t like to admit! Arabic language only expanded by the Islamic invasions! To the Middle East.
no
ridiculous