videos like this are priceless, because in them we hear from people who really understood Jung and were dedicated to helping others understand and appreciate at least some key aspects of Jung's discoveries and work. We have lost most of these people, and others are moving fast to their life's end, to our immense lost. And though many claim to be so, few true adepts of Jung's psychology are to be found in the newer generations. So I listen to this talk again and again, grateful beyond measure for the opportunity to learn from such a man.
Astonishing information here: This lecture and the one on the Greater Personality give individuals like me a road map to personal redemption, authenticity and meaning. I have been studying this lecture and the other on the Greater Personality for years now and they are the gifts that keep on giving, over and over and over again. Thank you, San Diego Friends of Jung! Let's keep moving forward!
This knowledge increases the capacity to heal. It also increases the capacity to do the opposite, not only personally but also collectively. To the extent it is used as a tool of oppression by those that benefit from the mass-mindedness of society, it serves it's counter-purpose. However, to the extent that our suffering is often a necessary trigger for our seeking out, and becoming open to, this wisdom, I suspect any harm caused will be offset by an equal amount of healing. ☯️
I said, “oh my God” out loud numerous times listening to this. So many times, in fact, that I came her to leave such a comment. Seriously, I can only hope to one day articulate these concepts with the efficacy Edinger does. It is one of my goals.
Me too. I have listened to this over and over and over for 3 or 4 years and hand wrote all of it down. This is priceless and it makes me feel like who else is out there that reads all of this and gets it?
@@RebecaEigen I do and have wanted to connect with other kindred spirits online to share in the deep work of Jung and also discuss Edinger. This Is a deep and daily task and now my way of life and living. So grateful to Dr. Edinger now reading his Aion lectures that interestingly sometimes synchronistically align with my dreams and help me understand them. Deeply grateful for all that Jung left for us to explore.
@@RebecaEigen I have listened to various Red Book lectures, is the series you mention by Dr. Edinger? I'm working my way to RB reader's edition. Inner guidance continues to lead the way!
Edinger’s suggestion for “how” to individuate is describing basic Buddhist, Taoist and Yogic philosophy. Basically, become aware of your tendency to get caught up in the passions, learn to disidentify with them, and practice equanimity. What the Jungians lack is the practical means to support this capacity, which are fundamental to the eastern traditions. Without the methods to regulate the nervous system and relax the body and mind, it’s very difficult to cultivate equanimity and rest within oneself (and stop projecting the opposites outwardly). The yin yang is the most elegant symbol of the conunctio. Jung’s bias against westerners taking up the philosophy and practices of the eastern traditions is a major obstacle for fundamentalist Jungians IMO.
Thank you for sharing this lecture, SD Friends of Jung. I also want to say that I learned of Dr. Ron Malashock passing. He was a wonderful Jungian analyst and human being. I am a better man because of him and the wonderful people who attend SD Friends of Jung.
Great lecture, I remember reading Aion: Researches Into The Phenomenology Of Self about 4 years ago. I believe this book, as well as Jung's Psychology & Alchemy and Alchemical Studies are among some of his greatest works. I cannot begin to describe the impact Jung's writings have had on own personal/psychological growth and development. The Hero's journey as understood by Joseph Campbell is another great resource and supplement to understanding the individuation process in its most remarkable and concrete historical forms, namely, that of the rise of a 'culture hero,' the one who, after receiving his or her 'boon' from the unconscious, begins the magnum opus of self realization and renewal, endowing mankind once again with the Promethean fire of the Gods. Thanks for the upload!
For those of you that appreciate Joseph Campbell, you might enjoy Astral Doorway. I believe even Carl Jung would approve of this younger man's teachings. When in college 100 years ago I had friends exploring Spirituality. I was too chaotic then to grasp what they were learning. Now, after much self-work, I find that I appreciate how Gene, of Astral Doorway integrates psychology with meditation, religion and yoga. I have found no one that comes close to his clarity, on UA-cam. Life is clearly a Journey towards full Consciousness and Enlightenment.
This Jungian Philosopher (for that's what he is) understands Carl Gustav Jung almost better than maybe Jung himself did. - With the break-down of traditional mythologies in the cultures of the West, man increasingly was forced to face his own process of individuation, without much guidance, - to face "the opposites" in himself, this all starting out in the 15th century with the legend of Dr. Faustus (who by the way was historical), - this is philosophy that can explain the conflicts of the modern man, of whom very little yet has grown into consciousness, and of only a few.- Jung dared to undergo this dangerous and archetypal process of breaking through into allowing to experience the opposites, - and it almost killed him, - thie man Edinger understands the significance of a Carl Gustav Jung better than anyone I have heard of. A Bravo to him!
Edward Edinger helped me understand Carl Jung better than I in my analysis, though I never met him outside of his remarkable books. The weaving of mythology and history through our unconscious, relating to the breakdown of our psychic world in this century, is absolutely awe-inspiring. My years as a mythologist owe much to his work as they do life itself.
Understood Jung better than himself? Edward was very aware that he was nowhere near, the levels of understanding Jung had of the psyche, and so was his other students and friends. Nevertheless i think Edinger is one of the people with, the most insight into Jungs ideas, along with Von Franz.
@@avenger822 it really is. it involves leaving your mind open, not giving in to one system.....and studying them all objectively. (subjectively) only when understanding of different systems is established to a degree. and then comparing ALL of those religions and systems, African, eastern, and western. with Astrology/Psychology/Alchemy like Jung did......and you'll find the truth not just in spirituality But social. and environmental as well. it's quite marvelous. this whole thing is a large cycle that never stops and it expresses itself in Literally everything. through archetypal means.
@@danielm978 I like Edinger but I agree with you that he isn't as good as Jung. I occasionally get the icky sensation that Edinger goes by the mind in places where he should be led by intuition instead. His answer on the God vs god in the psyche, for instance. Saying that he knows nothing of the God of theologians or metaphysics seems to me like the sort of answer one gives when they try to stay inside the truth preached by the logic of consciousness. I am 100% sure Jung wouldn't have given this answer. Similarly, Edinger is making a clear cut distinction between external and internal events, in his Ego and Archetype book. Meanwhile, in all of his work, Jung acknowledges a mysterious connection between the psyche and external events, which is essentially at the base of the synchronicity construct. Otherwise, I agree Edinger understands Jung quite well and I would recommend his works to other people, but I would warn them before about the things I mentioned above.
the opposites make up the psyche...become carriers of consciousness through the cumulative effect that is if enough individuals can individuate then society has chance becoming whole
While Edinger has great ability to recite Jung's ideas, I dont think he truly gets the material on a personal, practical level. In the Q&A, he's asked "what does uniting the opposites actually look like in real life" and his response was less than adequate. To paraphrase him, he basically said "ive seen a lot of people in the height of their opposite problem produce images that would unite the opposites and they should look at those images as symbols of possible unity." And while that is true, it ignored the question. The premise of the question already is from someone who is looking to unite the opposites. Someone who is on the Jungian path trying to "unite the opposites." Such a person is already looking at symbols in their dreams and asking for practical advice. And instead of answering, Edinger said "the mind will produce a symbol of unity." It's like Edinger is up against a wall where he mentally understands Jung but cant make it practical. Its sadly very typical of "Jungians" they can recite the info but have no practical explanation. Whereas Marie Lousie Von Franz had ALL practical application. She was a REAL Jungian. Still a great video, but more for material than application.
Hm why does it feel like some game. The true Jungians vs the ones who are fake or don’t truly know? Can’t it just be that people are on the journey? Jung himself changed his mind on things and I’ve been told to avoid his earlier work
If the mind in the dream world produces the dream or symbol of wholeness, it's still up to the dreamer to discover the process of Individualism. It's very difficult, yet possible - it most likely will take most of one's lifetime. These dream symbols are unique to everyone and very difficult to unravel. Speaking from experience, btw.
I agree that his answers during the Q&A seemed less than adequate in many parts. For example, when being asked about "God" vs the god image in the human psyche, his response was simply, I do not know of a "God" (emphasis capital G). This sort of response signifies that Dr. Edinger himself while being such a great scholar of Jung still had much to learn about this process of individuation (as we all do). I also think that the collective consciousnesses during the past 40 years since this lecture was recorded has revealed to us many things about the world which may have not been apparent when this lecture was recorded. For that reason, I am grateful to have both contemporary understanding and such a thorough knowledge by this lecture from someone like Dr. Edinger.
Finally someone other than me, sees through **The JUngians**, Stringing together a bunch of intellectual concepts/rhetoric that makes something of value to the soul., No one on the planet is more critical of all things JUngISM/ISM/IST on the planet. Why?? If we are going to take Jung's ideas futher in this world, we must have the goods, no snakeoil, no blah blah blah. I had Ego Archetype decades ago,, its in the trash,, about to buy another copy, due to the fact alot of folks have read the book, so I need to update my criticisms as to why I am not a fan of anything Edinger. JungISM/IAN/IST is epedemic within all /every Jungian group/club/org. It stinks. Sure I have not yet finished my studies in Jung, so I have nothing to offer up YET,, I am working on it. Also sure glad you mentioned Von Franz,, I recognized her genius in Jung early on, have most of his books. Like you Von Franz represents the continuation of Jung's ideas, and reamins faithful to this spirit of seeking the lost wisdom of the soul. Jung's ideas have been distorted , misunderstood , as Jung predicted would take place after his passing. Sure there are a few interesting authrors of Jungian material, but mostly it is bad., Take James Hillman,, he was elected chief of the California school, I trashed all his books yrs ago. He has nothing to offer to us **JUngians** seeking further understanding. I might not repurchase Ego Archetype,, as I've listened to a fw of Edinger';s YT interviews and again, was very disappointed by his presentation of the subject. Sadly this book ranks high among **The Jungists** which proves we have not brought to consciousness as yet many of Jung;'s ideas. Listening to Von Franz, you know right away Marie has real life experiences of these mysterious concepts/truths. vs Edinger and many other **Jungists** authrors,, its alot of head knowledge, but lacks what we are all after, the bringing forth from life these ideas and making them contextually real as it relates to past/present/future planet earth. We are in WW3 , we should speak as if it is the end of the world,,, not play around w concepts which actually lead us into darkness.
Jung led me to believe that mysterium conjunctionis is not only the structure of the psyche, but of the cosmos, and they are both reflected through the other. It's a reciprocal process. As Alan Watts says, you shine the sun just as it shines you. You are and are not the universe. The universe is and is not you. So is the nature of God and man.
A thought that just popped into my head at 59:10 --> Jung's conjunctio reminds me of Cupid, who made people fall in love with a golden arrow or (lesser known fact) made them hate each other with a lead arrow.
Dr. Edinger's talk is very interesting and informative; however, it is impossible to hear most of the questions and the ending of the video mid-sentence while he is attempting to explain a point is somewhat disconcerting.
@@danielm978 right, because I think that's precisely what she was attempting to do: give us a well-explicated myth to organize our culture around. Unfortunately her efforts were not well-received by a culture already steeped in the misguided maxims of Cultural Marxism.
Ayn Rand does not strike me as a particularly good author. Although, I know of several people who adore her works. It is an interesting question though and would prompt a good topic for discussion.
The Only Way - When The Thought -Is Only - To Heal and Healing Energies are work manipulating those opposite energies as the hand muscles to work it is agonist and antagonist but it is mechanical work to perform - The Action - That Is Good …..The God -………negative and positive gives the light …….🌞
Around the 1 hour mark where he's talking about observing your loves and hates, I'm not sure what one is meant to observe from them or what the questioning process is. For instance I love the music of Richard Strauss or the voice of Renee Fleming, but what am I now meant to look at internally having identified the love or hate?
He is not referring to ones taste in music, rather personality traits and opinion of same. It is not a matter of identifying the evil "OUT THERE" but seeing it in ones own psyche.
Exactly, we can find beauty, in rust on a lamp post, and quite easily in Strauss or Renee Fleming. The movie 'American Beauty' has a lesson in it related to how we see this world. I hate cruelty and I love honour too; the challenge is to see, if in any way, we are cruel to ourselves or each other or lack honour in our dealings with our individual worlds.
@@timmacaskill2470 I don't exactly agree with you. One's taste in music can also reflect to you aspects about yourself. One obvious example in a song is the lyrics, which perhaps you did not pay attention to, but actually are an unconscious reason as to why that song keeps on playing in your head. Or even if it's just the melody of the song, it can reflect a melancholy or a state of your unconscious. You might like one particular voice because it remembers you of someone. Of course, sometimes you just like it, no reason other than an aesthetic one. But what I am trying to say is not to be quick to dismiss the possibility of finding things about yourself in places you have never thought of.
Who can not love Nietzsche?❤ Who could not love C. J. Jung? It is in our love and hates, are the opposite sides. I am the world and the world is me. Reflections of net increase consciousness. 500 hundred years. To influence others of like minds. Insights of pinocchio. Consciousness of wholeness, the world can become whole. Guilt. Good evil opposites carried in the other person. The growth of Islamic fundamentalism? A reglious phenomenon in the political arena. (Assanins.) Islamic tradition Christians fundamentalism, Jewish, Zioinsm is not being antisemitic. Fasicm and racisim are words of ignorance. What is conflict? What is the brain? What is thought? What is mind? What is intelligence? What is the difference between the intellect and intelligence? What is consciousness and subconscious? What are beliefs? What is perception ? What is awareness? What is insight? What is the unknowable? What is the intuition? What is imagination? What is an illusion? What is love? Whenever one discovers what love is not? The powers of Myths both dark and light entwined throughout out centuries. What does Elohim mean? Scholars with the understanding of Hebrew, Latin and old Greek. Heraclitus once stated that one cannot step in the same rivers twice, it flows. Truth, beauty, adventure and peace and love.
How sad it must be for people who have no belief in God. To have zero to work for in the end... Our lives are too short on Earth and to be your only shot at achieving happiness sounds so empty to me. I'm going through the process of being born again after a life of total selfishness and I'm at last content with life on every level. I've had alot of jungian phenomena supernatural feeling things happen to me during this process. I've had visions of the devil, the Virgin Mary (who did lead me to Her Son, sorry protestants) and then a beautiful 20 minute vision of Christ Himself. If anyone reading this is having symptoms of jungs type of psychosis ( that's how I think of his red years) I strongly urge you to explore Christianty and you have to dig very deep until you get God's attention, but once you have it He will lead you to the truth. And these ideas of individuation were all false ( believe me I explored all the options along the way) but all roads led to Jesus for me. And whenever I listen to people who are trying to individuate, even the man speaking in this video - they never have happiness in their voice.
Enantiodromia refers to a thing transforming into its opposite. The conjunctio is a symbol used in alchemy which refers to the culmination of two opposites coming together as a result of a third stage of synthesis.
10 yr old YT upload,, 1.2 k likes, 100 comments, = Jungism is dead. Edinger never had anything of interest to offer IMHO. Many others too, like James Hillman. RIP JungIAN-ISM May the spirit of Jung live on forever.
Considering Western society is comprised of central Europe and traditionally speaking, Russia--I do not think that the American Dream is the central living myth of Western Society. Rather, the West resides on a Jude-Christian substrate which has been around for much longer. The American dream emerged out of ideas which came from the enlightenment "Liberty, Freedom, Pursuit of happiness etc." Which spawned more deeply from the scientific revolution. Science emerged from Christianity for reasons I won't try to explain in this comment. But originally, the West traces back to our Jude-Christian roots nearly 2,000 years ago (longer if you take the Greeks into account). As Dr. Edinger discusses in this lecture, the God image fell out from the heavens around the 16th Century A.D. and has since transformed into its opposite (namely the legend of Faust which is meant to describe the Anti-Christ). We are now embarking on a particular moment in history which calls on a synthesis of the two previous modes of existence (Christ and Anti-Christ). This new era which is marked by the transition from our Nation State industrialism into Information society and individualism does not yet have a functional, living myth.
The reason it is so difficult to 'follow' Jung is because what he talks about is mostly classic psychobabble - the primary way to understand the world and each other is through the philosophy of language.
videos like this are priceless, because in them we hear from people who really understood Jung and were dedicated to helping others understand and appreciate at least some key aspects of Jung's discoveries and work. We have lost most of these people, and others are moving fast to their life's end, to our immense lost. And though many claim to be so, few true adepts of Jung's psychology are to be found in the newer generations. So I listen to this talk again and again, grateful beyond measure for the opportunity to learn from such a man.
Wow thank you ❤
Astonishing information here: This lecture and the one on the Greater Personality give individuals like me a road map to personal redemption, authenticity and meaning. I have been studying this lecture and the other on the Greater Personality for years now and they are the gifts that keep on giving, over and over and over again. Thank you, San Diego Friends of Jung! Let's keep moving forward!
Individuation: A Myth for Modern Man, January 20, 1988. Edward Edinger.
Thank you, San Diego Friends of Jung.
This is a talk that could be heard countless times and still more truth could be heard!
I’ve listened to it dozens of time. The text is printed in the biography of & tribute to Edinger : An American Jungian.
@@gphilipvirgil355 Thanks for this. I had just posted a question if anyone had an accurate transcription of this lecture to English closed caption.
This knowledge increases the capacity to heal. It also increases the capacity to do the opposite, not only personally but also collectively. To the extent it is used as a tool of oppression by those that benefit from the mass-mindedness of society, it serves it's counter-purpose. However, to the extent that our suffering is often a necessary trigger for our seeking out, and becoming open to, this wisdom, I suspect any harm caused will be offset by an equal amount of healing. ☯️
I want to extend a most heartfelt gratitude to the San Diego Friends of Jung for sharing this unvaluable lecture. It is a gift to planetary evolution.
This is so good. Eddinger is one of the better American explicators of Jung's wisdom.
The individuation process is very real.
I said, “oh my God” out loud numerous times listening to this. So many times, in fact, that I came her to leave such a comment. Seriously, I can only hope to one day articulate these concepts with the efficacy Edinger does. It is one of my goals.
Me too. I have listened to this over and over and over for 3 or 4 years and hand wrote all of it down. This is priceless and it makes me feel like who else is out there that reads all of this and gets it?
@@RebecaEigen I do and have wanted to connect with other kindred spirits online to share in the deep work of Jung and also discuss Edinger. This Is a deep and daily task and now my way of life and living. So grateful to Dr. Edinger now reading his Aion lectures that interestingly sometimes synchronistically align with my dreams and help me understand them. Deeply grateful for all that Jung left for us to explore.
@@michelleramauro8602 That's great! Yay! Have you listened to the Red Book Series? Highly recommend.
@@RebecaEigen I have listened to various Red Book lectures, is the series you mention by Dr. Edinger?
I'm working my way to RB reader's edition. Inner guidance continues to lead the way!
@@michelleramauro8602 ua-cam.com/video/0HRsgtS46sw/v-deo.html (start with Lecture 1)
Edinger’s suggestion for “how” to individuate is describing basic Buddhist, Taoist and Yogic philosophy. Basically, become aware of your tendency to get caught up in the passions, learn to disidentify with them, and practice equanimity. What the Jungians lack is the practical means to support this capacity, which are fundamental to the eastern traditions. Without the methods to regulate the nervous system and relax the body and mind, it’s very difficult to cultivate equanimity and rest within oneself (and stop projecting the opposites outwardly). The yin yang is the most elegant symbol of the conunctio. Jung’s bias against westerners taking up the philosophy and practices of the eastern traditions is a major obstacle for fundamentalist Jungians IMO.
Thank you for sharing this lecture, SD Friends of Jung. I also want to say that I learned of Dr. Ron Malashock passing. He was a wonderful Jungian analyst and human being. I am a better man because of him and the wonderful people who attend SD Friends of Jung.
Great lecture, I remember reading Aion: Researches Into The Phenomenology Of Self about 4 years ago. I believe this book, as well as Jung's Psychology & Alchemy and Alchemical Studies are among some of his greatest works. I cannot begin to describe the impact Jung's writings have had on own personal/psychological growth and development. The Hero's journey as understood by Joseph Campbell is another great resource and supplement to understanding the individuation process in its most remarkable and concrete historical forms, namely, that of the rise of a 'culture hero,' the one who, after receiving his or her 'boon' from the unconscious, begins the magnum opus of self realization and renewal, endowing mankind once again with the Promethean fire of the Gods. Thanks for the upload!
For those of you that appreciate Joseph Campbell, you might enjoy
Astral Doorway. I believe even Carl Jung would approve of this younger man's teachings. When in college 100 years ago I had friends exploring Spirituality. I was too chaotic then to grasp what they were learning. Now, after much self-work, I find that I appreciate how Gene, of Astral Doorway integrates psychology with meditation, religion and yoga. I have found no one that comes close to his clarity, on UA-cam.
Life is clearly a Journey towards full Consciousness and Enlightenment.
This Jungian Philosopher (for that's what he is) understands Carl Gustav Jung almost better than maybe Jung himself did. - With the break-down of traditional mythologies in the cultures of the West, man increasingly was forced to face his own process of individuation, without much guidance, - to face "the opposites" in himself, this all starting out in the 15th century with the legend of Dr. Faustus (who by the way was historical), - this is philosophy that can explain the conflicts of the modern man, of whom very little yet has grown into consciousness, and of only a few.- Jung dared to undergo this dangerous and archetypal process of breaking through into allowing to experience the opposites, - and it almost killed him, - thie man Edinger understands the significance of a Carl Gustav Jung better than anyone I have heard of. A Bravo to him!
Spiritual truth is simple :)
Edward Edinger helped me understand Carl Jung better than I in my analysis, though I never met him outside of his remarkable books. The weaving of mythology and history through our unconscious, relating to the breakdown of our psychic world in this century, is absolutely awe-inspiring. My years as a mythologist owe much to his work as they do life itself.
Understood Jung better than himself? Edward was very aware that he was nowhere near, the levels of understanding Jung had of the psyche, and so was his other students and friends. Nevertheless i think Edinger is one of the people with, the most insight into Jungs ideas, along with Von Franz.
@@avenger822 it really is. it involves leaving your mind open, not giving in to one system.....and studying them all objectively. (subjectively) only when understanding of different systems is established to a degree. and then comparing ALL of those religions and systems, African, eastern, and western. with Astrology/Psychology/Alchemy like Jung did......and you'll find the truth not just in spirituality But social. and environmental as well. it's quite marvelous. this whole thing is a large cycle that never stops and it expresses itself in Literally everything. through archetypal means.
@@danielm978 I like Edinger but I agree with you that he isn't as good as Jung. I occasionally get the icky sensation that Edinger goes by the mind in places where he should be led by intuition instead. His answer on the God vs god in the psyche, for instance. Saying that he knows nothing of the God of theologians or metaphysics seems to me like the sort of answer one gives when they try to stay inside the truth preached by the logic of consciousness. I am 100% sure Jung wouldn't have given this answer. Similarly, Edinger is making a clear cut distinction between external and internal events, in his Ego and Archetype book. Meanwhile, in all of his work, Jung acknowledges a mysterious connection between the psyche and external events, which is essentially at the base of the synchronicity construct. Otherwise, I agree Edinger understands Jung quite well and I would recommend his works to other people, but I would warn them before about the things I mentioned above.
This is solid gold.
"Here comes the Hoosier Goldmaker!" (Edinger heard this in a dream)
yes, one of the best lectures on Jungian psychology ever recorded, and will-ever be recorded, by the original legacy and transmission from Jung.
Thank you for posting this. It, and it’s foregoing post, feels like the word of a prophet.
Just discovered this. So helpful. Thank you whoever posted it. Timeless wisdom
Thank you for sharing this...I learn more on each revisiting of this material..
I know. I have heard it 4x at least. We are lucky to have this.
I am an orphan in a meaningless universe...it feels like that to me sometimes.
Loved this lecture. My take away is that forgiveness is needed during individuation.
Absolutely true.
And forgiveness is the topic of A Course In Miracles
That was completely amazing
What a great lecture
the opposites make up the psyche...become carriers of consciousness through the cumulative effect that is if enough individuals can individuate then society has chance becoming whole
While Edinger has great ability to recite Jung's ideas, I dont think he truly gets the material on a personal, practical level. In the Q&A, he's asked "what does uniting the opposites actually look like in real life" and his response was less than adequate. To paraphrase him, he basically said "ive seen a lot of people in the height of their opposite problem produce images that would unite the opposites and they should look at those images as symbols of possible unity." And while that is true, it ignored the question. The premise of the question already is from someone who is looking to unite the opposites. Someone who is on the Jungian path trying to "unite the opposites." Such a person is already looking at symbols in their dreams and asking for practical advice. And instead of answering, Edinger said "the mind will produce a symbol of unity." It's like Edinger is up against a wall where he mentally understands Jung but cant make it practical. Its sadly very typical of "Jungians" they can recite the info but have no practical explanation. Whereas Marie Lousie Von Franz had ALL practical application. She was a REAL Jungian.
Still a great video, but more for material than application.
thank you for introducing Von Franz to me!
Hm why does it feel like some game. The true Jungians vs the ones who are fake or don’t truly know?
Can’t it just be that people are on the journey? Jung himself changed his mind on things and I’ve been told to avoid his earlier work
If the mind in the dream world produces the dream or symbol of wholeness, it's still up to the dreamer to discover the process of Individualism. It's very difficult, yet possible - it most likely will take most of one's lifetime. These dream symbols are unique to everyone and very difficult to unravel. Speaking from experience, btw.
I agree that his answers during the Q&A seemed less than adequate in many parts. For example, when being asked about "God" vs the god image in the human psyche, his response was simply, I do not know of a "God" (emphasis capital G). This sort of response signifies that Dr. Edinger himself while being such a great scholar of Jung still had much to learn about this process of individuation (as we all do). I also think that the collective consciousnesses during the past 40 years since this lecture was recorded has revealed to us many things about the world which may have not been apparent when this lecture was recorded. For that reason, I am grateful to have both contemporary understanding and such a thorough knowledge by this lecture from someone like Dr. Edinger.
Finally someone other than me, sees through **The JUngians**, Stringing together a bunch of intellectual concepts/rhetoric that makes something of value to the soul., No one on the planet is more critical of all things JUngISM/ISM/IST on the planet. Why?? If we are going to take Jung's ideas futher in this world, we must have the goods, no snakeoil, no blah blah blah. I had Ego Archetype decades ago,, its in the trash,, about to buy another copy, due to the fact alot of folks have read the book, so I need to update my criticisms as to why I am not a fan of anything Edinger. JungISM/IAN/IST is epedemic within all /every Jungian group/club/org. It stinks. Sure I have not yet finished my studies in Jung, so I have nothing to offer up YET,, I am working on it.
Also sure glad you mentioned Von Franz,, I recognized her genius in Jung early on, have most of his books. Like you Von Franz represents the continuation of Jung's ideas, and reamins faithful to this spirit of seeking the lost wisdom of the soul.
Jung's ideas have been distorted , misunderstood , as Jung predicted would take place after his passing. Sure there are a few interesting authrors of Jungian material, but mostly it is bad., Take James Hillman,, he was elected chief of the California school, I trashed all his books yrs ago. He has nothing to offer to us **JUngians** seeking further understanding. I might not repurchase Ego Archetype,, as I've listened to a fw of Edinger';s YT interviews and again, was very disappointed by his presentation of the subject.
Sadly this book ranks high among **The Jungists** which proves we have not brought to consciousness as yet many of Jung;'s ideas.
Listening to Von Franz, you know right away Marie has real life experiences of these mysterious concepts/truths. vs Edinger and many other **Jungists** authrors,, its alot of head knowledge, but lacks what we are all after, the bringing forth from life these ideas and making them contextually real as it relates to past/present/future planet earth.
We are in WW3 , we should speak as if it is the end of the world,,, not play around w concepts which actually lead us into darkness.
Thank you for this .
Thank You -very much ……….🌞
Jung believed that mysterium conjunctionis is a symbolic image able to provide healing to modern man .
Jung led me to believe that mysterium conjunctionis is not only the structure of the psyche, but of the cosmos, and they are both reflected through the other. It's a reciprocal process. As Alan Watts says, you shine the sun just as it shines you. You are and are not the universe. The universe is and is not you. So is the nature of God and man.
Awesome talk.
Enlightening.thank you
Finding a spiritual way of life is to become a New Being, becoming a supernatural Being, born into the Fifth Kingdom; The Twice Born! So Be It
A thought that just popped into my head at 59:10 --> Jung's conjunctio reminds me of Cupid, who made people fall in love with a golden arrow or (lesser known fact) made them hate each other with a lead arrow.
According to Junguian ideas it must be an archertype opposite to Cupid. Why there are not many accounts of it?
thanks for this..
Does anyone have an accurate transcription of this lecture to English closed caption?
Dr. Edinger's talk is very interesting and informative; however, it is impossible to hear most of the questions and the ending of the video mid-sentence while he is attempting to explain a point is somewhat disconcerting.
The God Image …..beautiful….🌞
Soooo true ….🌞
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I wonder how Ayn Rand's works would factor into this?
That is an insanely good question.
@@danielm978 right, because I think that's precisely what she was attempting to do: give us a well-explicated myth to organize our culture around. Unfortunately her efforts were not well-received by a culture already steeped in the misguided maxims of Cultural Marxism.
Good question
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Ayn Rand does not strike me as a particularly good author. Although, I know of several people who adore her works. It is an interesting question though and would prompt a good topic for discussion.
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Around the 1 hour mark where he's talking about observing your loves and hates, I'm not sure what one is meant to observe from them or what the questioning process is. For instance I love the music of Richard Strauss or the voice of Renee Fleming, but what am I now meant to look at internally having identified the love or hate?
He is not referring to ones taste in music, rather personality traits and opinion of same. It is not a matter of identifying the evil "OUT THERE" but seeing it in ones own psyche.
Tim MacAskill oh OK! that helps a lot. So you might hate cruelty or love honour. But beauty is not a personality trait.
Exactly, we can find beauty, in rust on a lamp post, and quite easily in Strauss or Renee Fleming. The movie 'American Beauty' has a lesson in it related to how we see this world. I hate cruelty and I love honour too; the challenge is to see, if in any way, we are cruel to ourselves or each other or lack honour in our dealings with our individual worlds.
He is talking about characteristics and qualities in the psyche. Read my article Understanding Your Own Shadow on my web site.
@@timmacaskill2470 I don't exactly agree with you. One's taste in music can also reflect to you aspects about yourself. One obvious example in a song is the lyrics, which perhaps you did not pay attention to, but actually are an unconscious reason as to why that song keeps on playing in your head. Or even if it's just the melody of the song, it can reflect a melancholy or a state of your unconscious. You might like one particular voice because it remembers you of someone. Of course, sometimes you just like it, no reason other than an aesthetic one. But what I am trying to say is not to be quick to dismiss the possibility of finding things about yourself in places you have never thought of.
Except I wouldn't agree that the modern mind IS 'advanced'..
hmm so Jung had an Idea of a Collective thinker called the "mass man"
So that's Nietzsche, and Jung now who I know identify a "herd" type of thinker.
Who can not love Nietzsche?❤ Who could not love C. J. Jung? It is in our love and hates, are the opposite sides.
I am the world and the world is me. Reflections of net increase consciousness.
500 hundred years.
To influence others of like minds. Insights of pinocchio.
Consciousness of wholeness, the world can become whole. Guilt.
Good evil opposites carried in the other person.
The growth of Islamic fundamentalism?
A reglious phenomenon in the political arena. (Assanins.) Islamic tradition
Christians fundamentalism, Jewish, Zioinsm is not being antisemitic. Fasicm and racisim are words of ignorance.
What is conflict? What is the brain? What is thought? What is mind? What is intelligence? What is the difference between the intellect and intelligence?
What is consciousness and subconscious? What are beliefs? What is perception ? What is awareness? What is insight? What is the unknowable? What is the intuition? What is imagination? What is an illusion?
What is love? Whenever one discovers what love is not?
The powers of Myths both dark and light entwined throughout out centuries.
What does Elohim mean?
Scholars with the understanding of Hebrew, Latin and old Greek.
Heraclitus once stated that one cannot step in the same rivers twice, it flows.
Truth, beauty, adventure and peace and love.
I wonder if a transcript exists.
How sad it must be for people who have no belief in God. To have zero to work for in the end... Our lives are too short on Earth and to be your only shot at achieving happiness sounds so empty to me. I'm going through the process of being born again after a life of total selfishness and I'm at last content with life on every level. I've had alot of jungian phenomena supernatural feeling things happen to me during this process. I've had visions of the devil, the Virgin Mary (who did lead me to Her Son, sorry protestants) and then a beautiful 20 minute vision of Christ Himself. If anyone reading this is having symptoms of jungs type of psychosis ( that's how I think of his red years) I strongly urge you to explore Christianty and you have to dig very deep until you get God's attention, but once you have it He will lead you to the truth. And these ideas of individuation were all false ( believe me I explored all the options along the way) but all roads led to Jesus for me. And whenever I listen to people who are trying to individuate, even the man speaking in this video - they never have happiness in their voice.
What's the spelling of that long word he uses for a thing transforming into its opposite?
Alchemy? Not a long word, yet it's all that comes to mind.
Enantiodromia
Enantiodromia refers to a thing transforming into its opposite. The conjunctio is a symbol used in alchemy which refers to the culmination of two opposites coming together as a result of a third stage of synthesis.
Hi voice resembles Jordan Peterson's but a calmer one.
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10 yr old YT upload,, 1.2 k likes, 100 comments, = Jungism is dead. Edinger never had anything of interest to offer IMHO. Many others too, like James Hillman. RIP JungIAN-ISM
May the spirit of Jung live on forever.
isn't the living Myth of Western Society the American Dream?
The myth of Western Society is only Fantasy, actualized into Materialism.
Considering Western society is comprised of central Europe and traditionally speaking, Russia--I do not think that the American Dream is the central living myth of Western Society. Rather, the West resides on a Jude-Christian substrate which has been around for much longer. The American dream emerged out of ideas which came from the enlightenment "Liberty, Freedom, Pursuit of happiness etc." Which spawned more deeply from the scientific revolution. Science emerged from Christianity for reasons I won't try to explain in this comment. But originally, the West traces back to our Jude-Christian roots nearly 2,000 years ago (longer if you take the Greeks into account). As Dr. Edinger discusses in this lecture, the God image fell out from the heavens around the 16th Century A.D. and has since transformed into its opposite (namely the legend of Faust which is meant to describe the Anti-Christ). We are now embarking on a particular moment in history which calls on a synthesis of the two previous modes of existence (Christ and Anti-Christ). This new era which is marked by the transition from our Nation State industrialism into Information society and individualism does not yet have a functional, living myth.
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The reason it is so difficult to 'follow' Jung is because what he talks about is mostly classic psychobabble - the primary way to understand the world and each other is through the philosophy of language.
I disagree. It's not through philosophy; it's via self reflection and connecting the dots, perhaps using Jung's "memories dreams and refections."
The philosophy of language is a great way to hide from the reality of the psyche.