The Light (and Shadow) in World of Warcraft [Lore]
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- The Light has been wielded for millennia and nearly every race on Azeroth has a different philosophy when it comes to the origin and wielding of the light.
In this video we're going to take a look what they're all preaching about!
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It takes an gifted and powerful person to use resurrection, alright. Specifically, a level 6+ paladin.
He means lore wise
348joey level 12 Paladin.
theredlie1988
No, six. That's when you learn your first ultimate, unless you choose to upgrade one of your other three abilities instead.
348joey What the hell are you on about? Upgrading ultimates?
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Lol. WCIII man.
Okay, hands down Forsaken Priests have by far the coolest priest lore out of any of the races.
I have just read the Unbroken. I have never read something so heart wrenching, I fought hard not to cry. Nobundo was a wonderful character, his constant plea to feel the light, denied over and over again. It was so sad to read, but when the elements heard his plea and the hope they gave him, it was just an utterly amazing story to read. Thank you Nobbel, thank you so very much for telling me about this, thank you so very much. I have a much larger respect for the way of Shamanism that I thought was just some boring class on WoW. Funny how I'm talking about Shamanism in your video about The Light. But once again thank you Nobbel.
after watching some of these lore videos, I've made several new alts of classes I've never played before. thanks man.
What if The Light really isn't a physical entity or moral energy? What if it's just the concentrated willpower and positive feelings of a person? It might explain why Goblins can wield The Light through greed, which seems like a total flaw in whatever is controlling The Light, if there's even anything. It is basically a spiritually powered version of mana, making all paladins and priests kindof like Green Lanterns.
+Sean Finch I have a far better story that backs this up, in my opinion. Tirion was "striped" from the Light, he lost everything and was hopeless, he thought they could take the Light away from him. He thought there was nothing left for him, he was an exile, and he couldn't weild the Light anymore, he felt empty. But when Eitrigg was lying there dying, he passionatly wanted to safe him, with all of his will and being and then the Light started flowing through him again and since then he became more powerfull the more compassionate he became, even shattering Frostmourne. Makes sense, in my opinion.
+Michael L. I too would say that priests don't necessarily use light magic. The spec says "holy" not "light". So a holy priest is focusing on the positive effects of his willpower while a discipline priest is using his well discipline and strength per se without any strong feelings I would say. The shadow priest is just using the darker range of effects that come from his belief. Priests of any religion are masters at manipulating the minds of people around them. They can inspire them, refresh their spirit and body and can also torture and confuse their enemies.
As you said the ingame mechanics don't fully represent the lore and for me a priest of the light can use a mind blast and shadow word pain and all this without him being all black and stuff. The spells don't exist in the world like this but his powerful will and his knowledge about minds and psyche enable him to torture people as well as to heal and inspire. They are just two sides of the same medaillon. That is of course not canon but because of there being no really satisfying lore about that I really like to theorize by myself and for me that fits the phantasy the most. Also undead priests not "wielding the light" but really being shadow priests. The shadow for them is holy. There is nothing paradox about that. It is more paradox that an undead priest would talk about the light in the church. I would think that preaching about the shadow would be a lot more inspiring for a forsaken in the church.
+Sean Finch I think that's what it is. I think the light is a cosmic force opposite of shadow, and those two make up the basis of reality, and it seems to be powered by willpower and one's convictions and belief in their truths so this would make sense, but just like the shadow can spawn beings of pure chaos, so does the light spawn creatures of absolute purity; the naaru.
Sean Finch like the force of jedis?
I remember first leveling my human paladin during classic. The lore I was given from paladin-specific quests was that the paladins wield the Light through good deeds, whether protecting people, donating goods, or slaying evil (especially undead). The Light was always mentioned as a belief system (the paladin code, you might call it), but it was not really addressed as an organized religion like we have with Christianity in real life.
So my undead shadow priest is actually lore friendly, cool! Thanks Nobbel
Nobbel87 Despite this being 2 years old now and you might have covered it in a newer video but in one of the books Blizzard had made there is a brief mention of a dead old god under Light's Hope Chapel in Eastern Plague Lands. It was a benevolent Old God and died because it refused to feast off suffering like the other evil old gods did or something was apparently a large conduit for powers of light. Hence why the chapel is there and why Arthas/Lich King couldn't step foot there or something.
I always found that interesting and wanted more about it but could never find anything. If you ever learned anything more about it that would be great to hear about.
Well it seems like the power of a shadow priest comes from the Void.
Right, and as the naaru have demonstrated, the Light and the Void are two sides of the same coin. Which would explain why priests have a natural affinity for using the power of the Void.
I dont care about your age, or what you do in life since it's your business and only yours. I care about your work, and its just great they way it is! Thanks a lot for sharing your passions with us.
The fact that Tyranda didnt wanna talk about if Elune could be a naaru is like asking a religious person here to reason logical about his or her god or holy storys, they tent to be either dismissive or aggressive.
But since Cenarious returnd in cata, Valen should ask him who his mommy are.
"Hey cenarius, is you mom a weird collection of spinning, flying shapes?" xD
Or maby the old guy has forgotten.... lol or living in denilie... :-) The Tauren makes a little scense... The naaru kind of looks like "moon and suneyes" and Musho kind of sounds like Muru....
Hehe maybe xD
I'm overjoyed this video actually covered the forsaken wielding the light, it's such an overlooked aspect that everyone assumes exist only in gameplay and not in lore. Yet their tragic tale of sacrifice has become one of my favorite 'little things' in wow. There's also been a few statements of undead light priests having feelings return to them as if the light is trying to drag them from undeath and back to 'true life', but failing. Regardless your videos never disappoint, keep it up.
You are god sent; I never thought this games lore was so full of depth, once again favorite game. Thank you
Thanks, Nobbel. Your channel is my one source of lore, now (without doing all the bloody research myself!).
I will resub to WoW if Lady Liadrin and the Blood Knights get some more lore spotlight. Literally my favorite thing about BC.
The Blood Knights have been promised for WoD. No news on Liadrin but I'd imagine she'll show up.
The draenei and blood elves have become so intertwined that, were it not for being joined to opposing factions, they would likely be allies in any other scenario- sort of like how the night elves and the tauren have very similar cultures and may get along very well were it not for the Warsong clan of orcs gathering lumber from Ashenvale. More lore on the draenei in WoD will hopefully mean more inclusion of the Blood Knights as well.
Lununguis Well, Blood Elves caused the Draenei to crash on Azeroth in the first place then started spying on them, and even attacking them. I'm not sure if they'd be out-and-out allies, but they wouldn't be bitter enemies.
Also, Tauren and Night Elves heavily, and if I remember correctly, sometimes violently disagree about who were the first Druids and about Elune and the Earthmother.
There are reasons the people are on the factions they're on.
Velen reignited the Sunwell and shows no animosity toward the blood elves. The draenei respect him, and that may be enough.
I had not known that about the night elves and the tauren, though; thank you for the insight. :)
Lununguis Since the Taurens joined the Horde, they have joined the ranks of the Frostwolf and Warsong clans, Warsong clan has a heavy dispute for the control of Ashenvale with the Night Elves that live there, ans another thing that sets them apart, but at Hyjal and the Moonglade they train together like brothers, look at Anren Shadowseeker and Tholo Whitehoof, there are "Neutral" druids for both factions that are form the Cenarion Circle/Expedition. Blood Elves and Draenei have respect for each other, since they both defeated Kil'jiden and Veleen re-ignited the sunwell, with that I think Draenei NPCs should be stationed in Silvermoon and Blood Elf NPCs should be stationed in The Exodar, friendly to both factions, also, Draenei should be neutral in-game with Silvermoon NPCs(with the ability to hit/kill them) as BE's should with The Exodar
I really like the blue post about the forsaken using the light. You didn't mention about the prolonged effects of wielding the light though: that sometimes the forsaken flesh becomes living again, bit by bit, Just enough that they can smell their own rotting skin, just enough that they can taste the decaying muscles in their mouth, and just enough that it hurts when they become injured again.
See, how you said the ways of the light and the ways of the warrior for elune... it makes me think ''why did night elf receive mage as a class when they're practically a few touches from being a paladin''
The knight in Northerend is an in game memorial.
"Brad Bridenbecker was an avid WoW player and the city manager of La Habra, California since 2002. He grew up in Orange County and had a master's degree in public administration from the University of Southern California. He was diagnosed with cancer at age 31 and passed away in 2007 at age 35 after a four year battle with the disease, and is survived by his wife and two daughters. Brad is remembered by his friends and coworkers for his capable, calm leadership (he was nicknamed "Boy Wonder" because of his age and abilities), and how well he personified his favorite poem, True Gentleman.
His brother, Robert Bridenbecker, was a Blizzard employee and asked Blizzard if there was anything they could do in his honor. Chris Metzen gave Robert the choice of having Brad be a part of the Lich King main story line or giving him a quest series, and Robert opted for the latter. Crusader Bridenbrad’s quest chain starts with A Tale of Valor, and is symbolic of his battle with cancer."-www.wowhead.com/guide=1832#bridenbecker-zone-map
now this, my good sir, is exactly what i wanted. thank you.
I love listening to you talk. You sound like a documentary narrator (which, I guess you technically are, lol).
I believe Broken Draenei are akin to the Wretched Blood Elves. In that the light is such a powerful energy that the inability to grasp it spirals one into a destructive withdrawal
I want to think that the greed behind goblins that use the light would be similar to "hey, if I pray and do holy things I won't have my soul devoured by whatever hell there is in WoW, right?" Also, I can't remember where I saw this but I'm sure there is a blue post somewhere in the forums that explains that the light, while giving a sensation of love/burn to the body, actually affects the soul, hence why undead are so weak to it, since the undead's soul is only half in the body (only taking a "poke" of light to push it out). Great video, as always :)
The Questline with the dying soldier in Icecrown is a Tribute to a Brother of a Blizzard employee, who died of cancer.Like in the Q,the doctors did everythin, but couldn´t save him. Metzen implementet the Q-Line. This story is revealed in a Blizzard documentary video.
Keep it on Nobbel
Actually, if you hear Nobundo's story, broken can wield the light. Or, another facet as he called it in the story.
"The fel energies also had the side-effect on the Broken and the Lost Ones of cutting us off from the Light.
At the time I did not know exactly why, but as a vindicator I insisted on finding out. I decided to make a pilgrimage to do just that.
And so it was that after the war came to its fateful end, I journeyed into the desert of the fragmented planet, beseeching the Light to return to us.
But decades passed, and the Light never answered my prayers.
Is this something that you wish to hear more of?
*Yes, please, if you do not mind.*
I had been fortunate to find an oasis and made the decision to stay there until I received an answer.
So there I sat, moving only when absolutely necessary, living off of the creatures that would come near the pool. Such was my pride.
As I said, decades passed without an answer. But I can remember a particularly beautiful sunset one evening.
A warm zephyr blew across the land and I was sure that I heard a voice, but no one was around.
As you can imagine, I thought that I was finally losing my mind.
*Nobundo, please continue.*
There was something strange about that wind; it didn't stop.
For weeks it blew across the land, waxing and waning, but never ceasing.
And all the time the voice continued, though I could not understand it, nor did I know where it was coming from.
My time in solitude had taught me how to calm myself and look inward. This I did in order to keep my sanity.
And that is when I began to understand the voice. It was coming from the wind itself and it had much to say!
*What did it say to you?*
It spoke to me of secrets and power, and also of truths.
The Light had not forsaken the Broken! The fel energies that the orcs had wielded long ago against the draenei had infused us, causing a break in our ability to be heard by, or perhaps to hear, the Light.
The same that had been responsible for the degradation of our bodies.
But our spirits were not broken, and the air offered to me another path, through which I might deliver my people.
*What was that?*
It taught me the path of shamanism, which in a way is just another facet of the Light.
Joining the wind was the water of the oasis, the fire from my camp and the earth upon which I sat. All had something to say.
Over the next few years they taught me what it was to call upon and be one with the elements of the world.
And they told me that the worlds of all of the stars in the sky, even this one, are made up of these elements."
www.wowhead.com/npc=17204/farseer-nobundo#comments is where I found this. Ketho's comment.
+The Potato I figured the reason why broken can't access the light is because they are permanently tainted by fel-magic, so they can no sooner wield the light than a demon could.
Thanks for doing this Nobbel. All the time I see forum posts and think about "paladins and priests, whats the diff?" And it really doesn't make much sense to me. So thank you for making a light video!
Nobbel. you are the one and only true reason i continue to play Wow. The lore you give has opend my eye to a new way of playing the game. And as sucth a new found love for the game as well. I have the unluck of being a Little bit behind the game time, as im still strukling with the Ledgendry clock. And yet have not done the SoO or Siege Of Orgrimmar. But yet that don't hinder me in still loving to play. As i grind thrugh the game i remember all the awesome lore vid i have seen of your's. and I suddenly find my self looding at Things in a new light so to speak lol. Thank you for you'r awesome Work. and please keep it coming.
Love your videos Nobbel, but on rare occasions I notice small thing missing from your explanations. For example the demi-god Cenarius is actually the child of Ysera and Malorne, as revealed in the war of the ancient’s trilogy. Just I minor detail, keep on with the awesome videos.
The books said Ysera only raised Cenarius. Malorne and Elune are his real parents.
Thank you for this! I have always been interested in the lores of WoW and Warcraft, but sadly too lazy to read anything about it. But I prefer listening it with your voice anyway. I hope I get to see the story of Vol'jin from you someday. Keep up the good videos. ^^
great episode Nobbel! can't wait for more details in WoD
This literally got me so giddy in my chair!
They have so much lore for WoD of Draenor.
Does everyone think, they'll actually dive deep into it, or will Blizzard simply skip around it and just do the main plot.
I hope we get a giant bundle of Grom kicking ass, taking names, Velen coming in to the story more, and I HOPE.
We keep Draenor beautiful! I honestly don't want to see another Outlands.
Throughout Warcraft 3 they hyped so much, how beautiful and lush the planet was and outlands teased so much lore of the society. I hope they give it all justice :)
Thank you for your videos Nobbel, always enoyable!
In the beginning when you are reading the story, the Alliance fleet goes to retake Northwatch Hold, NOT attack Orgrimmar. Jaina went to Orgrimmar and was going to drown it until she was talked out of it by that dragon guy. Meanwhile at Northwatch there was a massive battle with the Alliance taking victory.
wrong after theramore was bombed varian went to war but garrosh summoned kraken jaina saved them and together fell back and re marched and took northwatch
Thankfully the wow chronicles have cleared this up (somewhat). Shadow comes from the Void which is the opposite of the Light and the Void Lords are the beings that wield it, though they are too large to fit into the physical realm and they probably warped Sargeras into what he became. Possibly the Naaru are the Lights version of the Void Lords? Or they're just vessels of the light and Elune herself is one these "Light Lords"? Legion hints at that with her purifying the soul of Ysera.
Most anticipated episode yet.
Damn , thats some good round up story before the sleep. Thanks for doing this, your videos helps to get back into to the WoW , after such a long time, this time for lore !
Haven't even begun this Lore Episode yet, but I can already tell this will be relative to my interests. Muh ha hah hahaha!
Thank you Nobbel! I've been waiting for this for a long time and I loved it. Could you be persuaded to do a video about shamanism since that is also something that will be a big subject in WoD. Keep them vids coming mate ;D
From light comes darkness and from darkness comes light
Maybe Goblins believe in some sort of Invisible Hand guiding their economy to some unknown good?
Bob Miplace Goblins believe in the light that shines within a well-polished coin. The lustre, the beauty, the power to buy armies; this is a goblin's god.
HungryCoyoteXVII oy vey
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I got an idea that makes sense. Ok so your suggested that the demon blood in the orc veins could be a reason why they can't contact the light. So during the fighting in shatarath, what if there was so much orcish blood in the air, it became a red mist, so it corrupted the dreani who were there, and cut them off from the light?
I like this brutal idea.
Holy f, time flies. I remember this video like it was yesterday
It sure makes more sense on the Light overall, thanks Nobbel.
hey nobbel just sayin... maybe im a huge nerd, (i know i am). cuz i totally started crying during you recounting the beauty of resurrections. damn these onions.
Whats crazy is this the next video i wanted to see, like thought of it 15 minutes before i jumped on youtube.
Love the time you spend on these! The lore adds so much to the game when you pay attention to the details of it! Side note, RIP Hymn of Hope :(
i was so happy to see you mention nobundo at the end. I really want more on him in the expansion. I
This was very interesting. I am glad to be a priest, but talk about a complex concept of the Light, also talk about a very telling thing to wield both Light and Shadow as a Priest be it holy or unholy.
This video is so good, I even watched it twice!
Humans were taught to wield the Light by the titan, Tyr. He had a silver gauntlet which was the inspiration for the name 'Knights of the SILVER HAND'. Tyr's Hand is named after the gauntlet.
I also do have a theory that I thought up while typing this out. Tirisfal Glades is sometimes said to be named after Tyr. My theory has to do it with its name, Tirisfal. What if it is a hint at the fact that Tyr is the Titan who fell! He fell down and taught the Azotha/Humans how to wield the Light. Tir-is-fal or Tyr is the Fallen.
Holy crap... This is too much for me.
Hazzard Hawk afew problems, tyr wasn't a titan, he was one of the titanic watchers in ulduar, and that wasn't a gauntlet- it was literally his replacement hand after his actual hand was eaten by a giant corrupt proto drake- galakrond
U Can just hear its from the Nordic mytholigic tyr is a god of war for the vikings and norse People's and he had his hand bitten OFF by the Wolf fenris wich was the son of loke the trickster god
You know that Natalie Seline is a follower in the legion expansion now. Also if you poke her enough she is hilarious to listen to. I love her.
Yet another good video Nobbel, it's funny how you allways seem to post a video relevant to the the actual wow novel i'm reading at the time :).
And thanks for getting me interested in wow lore i'm really enjoying the novels.
Thank you so much for this video! you did an awesome job on this, very well made! Thanks Nobbel!
The light can not touch me!
Lord Kil'jaeden Whats that cant hear ofver the flush of the sunloo
outcast101ful I don't speak noobish.
Ladies ladies
Trebah Go make me a sandwich, No one told you to visit me in my battles.
Michael Blasko Because all your friends and loved ones are to busy worshiping me to stay, That girl you like says Hi by the way.
Amazing video, was waiting for this. I wish Nobbel would have said more about Elune and her possibly being a Naaru, but i guess there is no other information available.
Legion released a LOT of info about the light and shadow, as did BFA and WOD. I think it's time for a updated look at the light and shadow
First off, love your lore videos, awesome job. On the goblins and the light I have a theory I would like to share. Off the top, you stated that if a person believes in what they are doing is right and have faith, the light will bless them. Well the goblins have that, their faith is in profit, and there for if they believe what they are doing is best for profit, then bingo. The other part is we know they are master bargainers. It is believed that the shamans of the goblins, bargain with the elements and spirits to do their will. So it's not too far fetched to think they do a little bit of the same when it comes to the light.
There are different sources of magic on Azeroth. There is the Light (priests and paladins), there is the Arcane (mages and maybe druids) and Fel energies (warlocks). These can be put into various different categories.
Is there anything preventing someone to use more of these sources?
The Guardians were the only ones shown to be able to use all of them, mostly because they were given the powers. The players are balanced for a reason, but lorewise is it completely impossible for a mage for example to use the Light? Or does it simply require a very powerful person to use more types of magic?
***** If that were the case, could not Forsaken priests use Shadow Healing abilities often demonstrated both throughout the lore and withing the game mechanics? No personal torment there, although Death Knight tanks healed by Holy Light sources would still need to suck it up, I suppose.
Would have been a good idea for you to explain the Cult of Forgotten Shadow to everyone, like what happens when they have a extreme belief in it.
I have read something about the trolls, one of them found the scarlet monastery during the 3rd war without any thing in it but books about the holy light (remember before the 3rd war paladins was trained there). A human priest found him and saw that the troll had read a lot about the light so he educated him the ways of the light. After that, the troll goes and learn the light to others trolls. The shadow priest trolls might be shadow hunters in the lore.
Many Many thanks Nobbel
your videos are top 10 quality allways
May you unveil many more secrets of Warcraft Lore to us all
Thank you!!!
I have watched all of your WoW lore videos and this was personally my favorite one. This lore on the light is just amazing. The part about the undead and the light and dark balance really made this story complete. Do you think you can do a video on dark power (warlock, shadow priest, and maybe even unholy dk)? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. Thank You
Plz Nobbel,do a lore vid of the ashe bringer/frost mourne and the lich king over all,tis the best part of the whole WOW story
I can't wait for you to uncover the new content for the upcoming expansion, keep up the good work !
Had a long day studying for exams, need to lead a RBG in 1 hour: Nothing better to clear my mind than a Nobbel vid :p
Nobbel87 I think the reason that the reason priests can link to shadow is because it's like a balance thing. You could say it's almost like where ever there is light there will always be shadow or darkness so if we want to say in game shadow spells can be used by other specs and vise versa but priests can only dwell on one side more than the other but they can still use some of the other. For example when you are shadow priest and you use a light spell it will break you from your shadow form, and when you use shadow on holy it wont be as damaging ( you could say its because its a different spec or whatever but that is what I think.)
When tirion pleads the light to shatter his bonds may be a good example of how the light works in the Lore.
Another awesome video :D thanks for taking the time to make it
For the Pandaren, they are speculated to be a forgotten race of "Children of Cenarius"-- Animalistic beings born beneath an Ancient, like Ursol for the Furbolg, Anvinia for the Harpies, etc.
The Pandaren religion is somewhat skewed in that parts of it come from Titanic lore, and parts from Nature.
From Titan lore, the Pandaren worship the August Celestials as Demigods, empowering pandaren with the power of the light. Monks wield chi, an alternative to the light. The titans that created the mogu also created Celestial energy from the light, which can be seen fueling Ulduar, the Tomb of the Emporer, etc.
The Celestials are a cross between the dragons and celestial energy (which explains Celestial dragons and their chromatic coloring).
Though they worship the Celestials and titanic powers, the Pandaren are children of Cenarius-- ancient animal-humanoids that peacefully lived in the land. As time went on, however, they grew to become intelligent, magic-wielding mortals. In the Sundering, the Pandaren had a prosperous empire to the far south along with other animal-humoid races, such as the Jinyu (relatives to Kal'uak, Murlocs, etc.), the Hozen, and the Yaungol (relatives to the Tauren and the Taunk'ula). In the sundering, the land was enveloped in the mist, and the continent separated from the single continent of Azeroth. Since then, the Pandaren have become an Agrarian society that love to eat, sleep, fight, and are hard workers.
Also, for other speculation on this animal-humanoid idea, Shen-zin Su had grown up to the point where he became an intelligent being, showing that he could be a decendant of Tortolla(?)
Out of all your wonderful videos, you have yet give a lore video on the Banshee Queen, Lady Sylvanis. With her being quiet after WotLK and playing a short roll in Cataclysm. What are your thoughts on her future? Please share your full lore of her.
That would be awesome indeed, but is that not just speculation, since that lore has not come out yet?
I have heared that how blizzard explaned the "shadow" or Shadow Priests is that if they can give you faith and hope, they(the Priests) can also take it away. That explanes the names of the spells for Shadow Priests, like Horror and Fear.
Now that you have talked about the Light, you should talk about the opposite. I don't know what it is called (darkness?), the one that allows the reanimation of the dead in the form of undead.
It is always a curious topic in any fantasy. Most depict it as evil, but can it really be explained that shortsightedly?
First of all, it usually concerns the "soul", something even we are not sure really exists. If it does, then where does it go after the "owner" dies? Return to the gods? Reincarnante in another "owner"? Our universe have many beliefs about this, what about Azeroth? What happens to the souls there?
We know these souls can be harvested, like Frostmourne did, but they can also stay on our world on their own, like in the case of Light's Hope Chapel. Either way, these cannot be the "normal" destinations of souls, nobody collects souls for a hobby.
We also know, that these souls have their original personalities, like we saw in the case of Alexandros Mograine or the orc souls raised as the first Death Knights. Or in the case of the Forsaken.
When somebody reanimates a body, can they do it without having the souls, or can they only do it if the souls are in their reach? For example, can I walk into the tomb of Llane Wrynn, who died by an assassin long ago, and reanimate him as undead? Bolvar, for example, didn't die by Frostmounre, like Dranosh, yet the Lich King could reanimate him later. The valkyries reanimate us from a grave in Deathknell, probably years after our death.
The Forsaken does not seem to bother about their state, sure it is not ideal, but they make the best out of the situation. Their personalities might have changed, but after everybody hates on them for just the way they look, you can't really blame them for it.
There are also the "evil" undead. They are usually controlled by a master and have their original personality supressed. Sometimes they can break free of their master's control, like in the case of the Ebon Balde, but can others free them from the outside?.We do similar things in quests, so why aren't we doing it to the remains of the Scourge?
Then there are those undead that are "mindless", like zombies and ghouls. If they have a soul in them, it may be so weak that it fails to function on its own. If there isn't any, then how can they be reanimated? If a soul is not needed, then I could basically reanimate a sack of potato just as easily. And if I can reanimate dead without the soul, how will it know how to move its legs one after the other or how to grip a sword? Will I be the one controlling every move of it, completely?
Perhaps the abominations and fleshgolems can be mentioned here as well. They seem to be able to do thingson their own, yet they are made of more bodies and doesn't seem to have unique personalities.
So far there is nothing evil about reanimation. The only evil thing is when you try to control them, or when it is against the will of the "subject". Sure, they are uglier, but this way they can finish what they couldn't in life, and if there is no "higher power" whom they can anger with it, then why does it bother so much? With more knowledge about it, maybe other races, especially the Alliance, would look differently on the Forsaken.
you mean necromancy?
tereesrgreen forgot to add, in order to be a necromancer, u need to have wielded/understand the ways of the arcane aka be a mage essencitally.
I haven't read it all yet, but I just wanted to say bolvar never really died, he was touched by the flames of Alexstraza, so he survived and basically can't die.
He is undead, just a unique looking one.
Kefka Palazzo the gas that putress fired on the horde and alliance forces killed everything it touched, with the exception of dranosh saurfang as he was killed by arthas and his soul siphoned into frostmourne before the attack, bolvar fordragon and all others actually died at the wrathgate, but because of the red dragonflight he was basically turned into a bbq undead human, his flesh was seared and hardened, but he is essentially the same as any undead walking around underneath, and he can be killed, or at least, unmade, but in lore, only tirion fordring knows that bolvar didn't perish at the wrathgate, and later became the lich king, nobody else in the game universe knows what happened.
I would expect the Pandaren use the words of the Celestials and made their own religion of finding peace within yourself which gave them the ways of the monk and the light.
Nobbel i love your work,you know how to say a story.
I love these kinds of lore videos!
Damn, I wanna roll a paladin now!
Thanks for the Light lore! Hope you don't mind me referencing this on forums now and then.
Not at all!
Nobbel87 :D
Nobbel, you are the light of my mondays
Nobbel if you're looking for a beam of light that stays for a while I consider you get the re-usable High-powered flash light item, 10 minute CD. It lasts 3 minutes and you can make it shine where you choose, instead of having to spam the paladin glyph :P
A video about the elements would be great, mr. Nobble
The way the light works (based on faith, not accuracy) is kind of how religion in general works in the Monster Hunter book series. It's not about what religion you believe in, but how strong you believe in it, that can be used to hurt or subdue the undead.
with Anduin it was more like a "these aren't the druids you are looking for"...
by the way: Elune F'd a STAG!
lol, what spawned from THAT?
Mirkel Leliveld
cenarius
varnisa Cenarius is a son of Ysera and Malorne, not Elune.
***** I read the books, Cenarius himself said so, and later so did Ysera.
***** yes.
Melodious and gentle voice... bright dancing light... sounds like Naaru to me....
Sounds like a pansy to me.
@ Nobbel87 Presumably humans got their Light from back when they were Vykrul more than likely, Tyr showed the Vrykrul the Light so from there when Vrykrul were being born tiny and soft they probably learned it from the Vykrul parents who loved their children enough to break the law by King Ymiron (I think that's his name.) and hide them, so presumably they taught their children things.
Infact, Order of the Silver hand is a reference of Tyr who has one hand made out of Silver, would've sworn I learned about Tyr from a previous video of your's.
so glad you did this i asked for it for a while
A very fascinating video and definitely not something I thought of in lore terms. Another well done and well researched video. Keep it up! :)
Nobbel ,Please cover the Curse of flesh its a very mysterious and scary concept.
Most of the oldest and strongest bosses we fought became evil just because they were afraid of that curse , Even elements served deathing to avoid it. Whole races were affected by it , Humans, dwarfs , gnomes, Mogu . What could the curse of flesh possibly be?
Not that I know for certain, but I would think it has something to do with The Old Gods. Mostly I say that since they're like that absolutely most fleshy things I can think of, and the fact that they have a tendency to corrupt and destroy the work of the titans. I'd say it makes a race more susceptable to their corruption when they're afflicted by the curse of flesh
One of your best videos. Very nice job.
Leon, Elune is real, although She isn't physically present in the game to touch and feel, she is said to be the only actual deity in Lore. All others rely on some powerful being (Draenei) or the Light and what not that Nobbel was talking about in the video. It was written in one of the novels (I believe War of the Ancients) that Elune herself appeared before the battlefield and brought peace over all who resided there ending the bloodshed at that very moment. It's been speculated that Elune is an Old God or that She is a Naaru. Honestly I figure her more for a kaldorei with goddess powers. She is a diety who birthed a demigod.
thanks for the great video once again! keep up the good work man.
Hi Nobbel! I don´t recall where i read it but somewhere I read that Priest turn to the shadows to get a better understanding of the light, don´t know if it´s accurate though. I found your videos a while ago and as the lore nerd I am I really love them!
Possibly Anduin is harboring some darkness within himself, but naturally that would make his light less powerful. To embrace the darkness the way he does, he'd have to doubt his own light.
Apparently, the Adherents of the Sun god in Spires of Arak have the ability to "block" someone's communication with the lights, as shown by the "wandering vindicator" mob's journal.
Your videos are all amazing ! thanks for posting them
FYI, you may know this but the quest where the fallen soldier is taken by the naaru to 'heaven' is because a game developers brother died of cancer and this quest was made out of respect to him
Since you did a video on the Light, are you going to do videos about more schools of magic? I'd love to hear you talk about the arcane or, since WoD deals with Gul'dan, the fel!
I think that the Naaru are the source of all light, not only for a few select worlds, but all worlds. However, I also think that they are the source of the shadow. My own personal theory is that the Naaru are all creatures of the Void, trapped by Titans inside a prison of light. They were given responsibility by the Titans to watch over those who were able to wield the light, but also to give power to those who understand the darkness. If the Void creature is alive inside them, then maybe they give the power of darkness to people so that they can weaken the creature until the day it must break free, so that it can be killed on that day. That's just my theory and it's probably stupid and already proven wrong but hey ho, it explains it to me :)
Realy realy realy good video! Thx a lot for your lights Nobbel! :D
I see shadow power, from the names of the spells, as a means of Rioting (like in the Mistborn series) present thoughts and maladies. E.g., Mind Flay is taking a Truth of the person, like a 'sin' or a disbelief that would otherwise allow the light to fade, and making the subject 'confront' it through rioting it. So in effect, it would enhance Truths people don't want to confront. Devouring Plague is like a feedback loop of the same suffering on the soul/mind. It is Shadow Word: Pain because it is the Shadow we create in our own minds by the 'disbelief' or 'sin' we hold. The phrase "the wicked take the truth to be hard" comes to mind. So in this sense, instead of wielding a subject of Grace and love, it is wielding a message of shame and confusion.
Two sides of the same light. :)
do a lore video about chen stormsout and the stormstout family
That fan art is all so awesome
I always thought that tapping into the shadows involved giving yourself over to the old gods and then they give you power in return? That's where the Shadow Priest seems to be heading towards in Legion at least.
as long as there is light
there will always be shadow
Yo!
First I would like to say I really enjoy your videos, great work! :)
Then I would like to ask you if a future video might sum up some of the lore surrounding Zul'Gurub or Zul'Aman and the gods within.
Cheers!