The Last Thing Rhaegar Targaryen told Jaime Lannister (Game of Thrones)
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2019
- Jaime Lannister reveals the last thing Prince Rhaeegar Targaryen
told him in the 4th book A Feast for Crows
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*Rhaegar leans in slowly to Jaime*
He whispers "stay golden ponyboy"
This isn't the place I'd ever think to find an Outsiders reference
I don't need to remember this book.
It pissed me off
@@gingerxx4205 Huh?
@@justinhubbard552 the book...pissed me off
@@gingerxx4205 I wasn't mentioning the book
“Sex with siblings is great you should try it”
Rhaegar
Probably
LMAO!!!
“Sex with siblings is great you should try it.”
Aerys definitely.
“Hey Rhaegar tell Gregor over here about the Stark girl!” -Targeryan knight.
“Yeah yeah, rape whatever. Murder’s awesome. It was great. Blah blah blah! can we please get back to the battle strategy?!” - Rhaegar probably
"sweet home..'
Let's be pedantic and point out that Rhaegar was probably one of the few king/king-to-be Targaryen in centuries to actually not have sex with siblings
Lmfaooo was not expecting that to be the first comment I read!
Jamie's moral compass to kill the King makes me confused as to how he would even consider to stay with Cersei knowing what she did.
Explain
I think he's talking about the TV show
Love
He pushed an 8 year old child off a tower. He sat on his ass after he killed Aerys and allowed Elia, Aegon and Rhaenys to be viciously slaughtered. He lied to Tyrion that his wife was a prostitute and allowed Tyrion to believe the lie while the girl was gang raped by their father’s men and then raped again by Tyrion himself. Why would he care what Cersei did to people that aren’t Lannisters?
@@stirlingarcher7972 assuming they mean the massacre Cersei caused with wildfire, probably because mass murder was the one thing he DIDN'T allow on his list of "things I might do/ignore to protect my family".
One of the tragedies of this story is that Rhaegar was going to depose his father but couldn't due to losing the battle at the trident 🕵🏾
Notorious he was trying to fulfil the prophesy of fire and ice, Stark and Targaryen. He read it in a book.
Tragedy is that Aerys wasn't killed in Duskendale, it would be perfect. I bet Tywin and Rhaegar inside were like "yes yes yes!!", but then Barristan with "brave knight to the rescue!!!" saved the day and doomed dynasty.)
He should've done it beforehand instead of chasing Northern ass that's all on him.
@Neeraj Poonia sadly he was so good at it
LegendInThaMakin His obsession with the prophecy was what caused his and his house undoing. He isn’t the first Targaryen to obsessed over the prophecy, the bookish king did and look how he turned out? His reign was a disaster and he did nothing for his realm. Egg, Aery’s grandfather was obsessed with the return of dragons and cause the tragedy of summer hall. Targaryens can’t see into the future and go about these prophecies the wrong way, Rhaegar was a fool with good intentions..
“And me, that boy I was ... when did he die, I wonder? When I donned the white cloak? When I opened Aerys's throat? That boy had wanted to be Ser Arthur Dayne, but someplace along the way he had become the Smiling Knight instead.” - Jaime Lannister
And this is why jaime is my fave character.
LegendInThaMakin mine too!
grrm is such a beast writer. none of us have ever been a knight, or a master swordsman, but somehow we can all relate to that line. at least i can.
All hail Jamie Lannister!
I love that quote at the end.
I just realized that Rhaegar and Rob died for the same mistake, choosing love over duty.
And so did Jamie
Pretty sure Rob died because he choose duty and honor over everything else. He married Jeyne Westerling out of duty and honor not out of love...
love....... rhaegar was not in love lmao 😂😂😂😂😂
@@emyyyuu Yes, he did that is why he wrote Aimond Thargarain that he believes his son Aegon, from Elia, is the chosen one. way before the tournament at Harrehal. ... oh yeah i forgot ...🤣🤣🤣.
@The Law He died with her Name, Lyanna, on his lips, but that was for homework prepuces only.
Aerys had the most skilled and deadly kingsguard in probably several hundred years, possibly in the history of Westeros. Imagine an assassin trying to get through Jaime, Barriston, and Arthur Dayne
Wrong
Jaime, Arthur Dayne, Barristan Selmy and Gerold Hightower.
@@numbersend2966 Nice Argument
@@numbersend2966 it's not wrong lmao
Don't you guys watch GGM stuff like he said the best kings guard was king jaehaerys
Lmao
I would love a Robert rebellion prequel. I wanna see badasses like Rhaegar and Arthur dayne in more in depth character and action
Not sure. They will screw it up with woke BS.
Also Ser Barristan Selmy
Same
Wish they would have built up more current heroes in got. It always seemed like the past had all the real warriors
"Rhaegar would have been the greatest King of the Seven Kingdoms"
Jaehaerys I would like to have a word
The Law not to mention that him taking Lyanna Stark was the action that started the war that ended with his family’s dynasty. He was overrated in my opinion, as fighter and a man
Jahaerys targaryen is, as they said back in valyria, a G
rehgar was a looser who achieved nothing in his life ..... spread many fake story about him like how great he was
started the rebellion which led to destruction of his house
and went to most important war of his life like he was going to bakery to buy milk
and die there without doing anything
People above don't understand
He was different class to everyone
His own downfall was the prophecies. At the end of the day. They were correct but he interpreted them wrong like melisandre said.
He was feared and respected but was always made to believe that he had a higher destiny which was actually for his son
Jaehaerys, the king of kings!
'We shall talk more when I return.'
Same words Ned Stark said to Jon Snow.
i was filled with suspense and hope and so many emotions when Jaime left King's Landing and started his journey north at the end of season 7. I'm still in shock from all the disappointment after season 8....
Jamie won't go down like that in the books.
Jaime definitely won't end like that in the books :)
Season 8.... One big cluster fuck of a pile of dog shit.
I expect him to become the lord commander of the nights watch .it would show he can keep an oath and be noble
Pffft we'll see
Jaime and Theon had one thing in common: they both have decided that dying with their king would have been a fine death. Jaime later mused that he should have been with Rhaegar at the Trident, and Theon, after all the torture, would have rather died with Robb at the Twins than have did the things he did.
Running theme in ASOIAF is that sons and daughters end up destroying themselves when they try to please their parents, even (or especially) when said parents aren't worthy of their devotion.
"Rhaegar would have been the greatest king in the Seven Kingdoms" Well.. better than Aerys sure, but the best ? We're talking about a man who humiliated his pregnant wife in front of all the nobility, then cast her aside with their two childrens, leaving them alone with his insane father, just to run away with a teenager while he was aware of the political consequences of such actions, all of this just because he was obssessed with a prophecy. He would have been more like Baelor the blessed than Daeron the good i think
That's why love is the death of duty
True, but I wonder if Elia knew about them. I think Oberyn said, that Elia and Rhaegar were close, despite not being in love. What if Rhaegar told him about Lyanna, that he wanted to complete the prophecy of the three heads, without putting her in danger. I know Lyanna and Rhaegar are secretly married in the show, but they might not be in the books, after all having the former underdog character (after Dany) be the secret king AND Azor Ahai is a bit stereotypical, it doesn't seem like something GRR would do.
So maybe Elia knew and R+L were never married.
@@francescapatti2934 I believe that Elia and Rhaegar were fond but not in love, and given the fact Elia was unhealthy it was another reason for them not to be so close. I don't know why Aerys allowed their match. They couldn't even have sex after baby Aegon and that affects a lot on a relationship, if people claim this is not important they're being hypocrit. So you have this scene, Rhaegar is wrapped on a marriage with an unhealthy woman and Lyanna is being forced to marry someone she despice. Also, Rhaegar and Lyanna were both very different from what was expected so they must felt lonely and depressed,frustrated with expectations of others, always doing what they're told and never what they wanted, so when these two particular personalities meet they just can recognize in each other, and like Ser Barristan said on the books, young people want passion, beauty, adventures, that's why Daenerys was into Daario and she was more fond of Quentin's good looking friend than Quentin himself. Young people are like that.
Nothing can makes me think that what happened between Rhaegar and Lyanna was cause for war, other houses like Lannister, Tully, Arryn, Tyrell and Greyjoy wouldn't mind at all for Rhaegar taking a mistress, even Martells wouldn't be at risk once Elia had two legitm children and there was no common sense about the kidnapping once Oberyn said Rhaegar left, Barristan said he loved Lyanna, Jaime said he would be a good King, Cersei hates Robert for surviving the Trident, Ned compares Robert to Rhaegar when it comes to going in brothels. It was Aerys fault, he burned the Starks instead of demanding a search for Rhaegar and Lyanna, where everything would've being explained .
Yeah, this and "he was one of the greatest fighters of his generation". He was adequate and was a late bloomer to skill at arms. It's pretty heavily implied that the Tourney at Harrenhall was rigged to win Lords to his side.
Whycreate is drinking the Rhaegar cool aid. Everyone we know who talks about is talking with rose-tinted glass due to time and memory since he's dead.
He was trying to bring fire and ice together
I don’t particularly like Rhaegar’s character but there’s something inherently sad and tragic about this line from Jaime’s POV. Regardless of any theories and speculation on exactly what those “changes” were but of a man who felt certain in his conviction of being a better king than his father was
Bridget Hammond why don’t you like rhaegar ?
Even Tywin would have backed Rhaegar taking over. At Duskendale he was pretty much baiting Lord Darklyn to kill Aerys and openly said it didn't matter if Aerys died because Rhaegar would be a better king. If Rhaegar had just been less cautious when it came to defying his father the realm could have been vastly different.
Well yeah it's sad because he probably wouldve been another Jaehaerys with a good United realm who would be prepared for the long night and to fight off euron
‘Juan Niko ‘ I find his character fascinating and he seems like an extremely complex character but I find his relationship with Lyanna as a big reason for my dislike and the way he treated Elia throughout their marriage.
@@bridgethammond7 Same reason I don't really care for Rhaegar. He was so obsessed with that prophecy that it sparked a rebellion and Robert was at war against his family for months and he only joined the war at the end knowing that thousands were dying because of his dumb ass. I also feel like if he wanted to make those changes then he should've done that first instead of chasing some Northern ass there would've been plenty of time for baby making. Also that prince he made with Lyanna only just ended his entire line by killing his little sister. So way to go Rhaegar.
5:38 “running away with lyanna mormont”- he ran away with lyanna stark
Haha... who knows... maybe Raeghar liked them really young
Jonny2Hotty lmfao he could have !
@@jonny2hotty378 Well, Rhaegar was 22/23 and Lyanna was 14/15 when they ran off together, so we KNOW he likes them young!
Just to balance he didn't kidnapped her she went with him ( according to show), she don't want to marry Robert because he was not to stick to one bed but didn't have any problem starting an affair with a married man and a father of two.
@@kritikanchan9313 that's some flawed logic right there
He killed one mad ruler in the start and came to save the other mad ruler in the end....poor choice Jamie
The mad king to Jamie Lannister:
Stay next to me and I will teach you things from the kings. Have you ever read about incest?
love to imagine that the king ask the books and give a lesson to Jaime
you should try it
it keeps the bloodlines pure
Thank you for continuing in making these videos.
I think Aerys was paranoid but I don't think he was wrong about Rhaegar plotting against him to overthrow him. What Rhaegar said to Jaime about how things will be different after the Trident reinforces that ot me.
Rhaegar wouldn’t have wanted to overthrow aerys if aerys wasn’t insane though, and the paranoia is one of the things that drove aerys further into it
You know how twisted Jaime's inner world was, when he looks at his missing hand, and thinks "This was the hand that made me the Kingslayer. The Goat took my glory and my shame"
what goat?
@@josequinonez470 vargo
“Love is the death of duty”
- Grand Maestor Aemon
Thanks for reminding me of how the show had failed Jaime Lannister's character. I had forgotten, after all this time, because his demise was so brutally overshadowed by a bunch of other, greater, show mishaps.
In fact, if not for Danaerys' sudden, inexplicable plunge, into insanity, what was done to Jaime Lannister would probably stand as the single worst character arc ever violated by Dan & Dave. Jaime Lannister, for 7+ seasons of the show, had by far one of the most intriguing character arcs. We all watched as a "villain" at the beginning, was slowly absolved, and transformed into a "hero." But then, after the "Long Night" episode was over with... all of that "character development" was casually thrown out the window, like a rotten piece of meat, and the show runners decided Jaime should die, like a little b*tch, along with his intolerably insane sister. Good work, you pair of idiots!
D & D "Red Wedding-ed" Jaime Lannister's character, on the show. A complete, and utter betrayal, that left no room for hope, or any sort of redemption. They f-cked up Dany... and they completely betrayed Jaime Lannister.
And now, I'm mad at the show again...
Exactly , they ruined his character in a single episode .
D&D "foreshadowed" the character assassination by another character assassination..... brilliant writing
"The North never forgets"
5:33 - he had always been a logical character
5:40 - he had deep beliefs in prophecy
Prophecy clearly exists in that world. Also, logic has no content itself, it's merely a coherent form that any content can fill. Meaning you can logically prove many things.
I like how pycelle said the situation look very similar to the dance of dragons but I gotta say that rheagar vs aerys was more like daeron ii vs aegon iv
and pycelle fed aerys paranoia and poisoned poor rhaellas womp when she carried a child.
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 Pycelle did what?
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 she was weak her whole life and hardly to ever carry children
@@aminamemic2141 who said that? there is no indication for rhaella being weak.
@@MA3POLO pycelle killed nearly all of rhaellas children. the most had been aborted. moontea is here the magic word.
*I* *demand* *a* *video* *about* *the* *timeline* *and* *all* *events* *of* *Robert's* *rebellion*
There is a channel called diefilmfabrik who has covered the whole history of game of Thrones including everything however it is a German channwl
Thanks for focussing on that very special moment, when the Kingslayer gave us the last words of the Last Dragon.
"Jaimie!, my name's Jaimie"
Bro I keep forgetting how stacked the Mad King's Kingsguard was
Thanks for uploading Mr. whycreate!
I’d love an animated film about the tourney at Harrenhall. Rhaegar vs. Ser Arthur Dayne would be great to see visualized
absolutely two of my most favorite characters. Thanks for the vid, man.
Can you do a video on the Rogue Prince Daemon Targaryen?
I think it's pretty neat how much he wanted to sit the iron throne and never got to but it was his progeny that did until aerys ii
He has the most badass death of any Targaryen imo.
Knives Millions Daemon Blackfyre is superior
Jordan Thomas Debatable, however Maelys the monstrous would probably trash both
Joey Cash Also,debatable Maelys was physically stronger than both Daemon’s,however Daemon(Blackfyre) had sword skills and was younger than Daemon(Targaryen)
Favorite book character ever. Love that dude, I hate that the show didn’t do him complete justice.
The only way he can redeem himself as if he protects rhaegar's heir
I’ve recently started watching your videos. Thank you for making them and being so well spoken, that’s a rarity these days. Subbed 😊
Another great video! Thank you
“Rhaegar would’ve been the greatest king but his duty stopped him”
sound like a certain cough cough jon snow cough cough
Like a father like a son
He was a selfish turd. Jon was nothing like him
I really enjoy your videos, thank you!
Well done, ty keep up the good work. We all want to know more, more, more !!!!!!!
I always think I've heard everything about asoiaf but then whycreate serves some facts that totally went over my head
Good video! Thank you!
5:37 "Running off with Lyanna Mormint" Apparently a new house was formed with house Mint and house mormont.
I think he meant to say “Lyanna moment”
Lyanna Stark is what he meant
oh the most poweful house in the seven kingdom house mint
Him joining the Nights Watch would be a great end to his arc.
There's an awesome fanfic where he joins the night's watch after killing the king to spite Ned Stark and stop Tywin from threatening to wage war when Ned convicnes Robbert to tell him to take the black and it's about his life beyond the wall called Life and Honour. It really carries over Martin's beliefs about conflict of the heart being the only thing worth writing about. Jamie is always grappling over different problems that prop up within his heart despite how he grow as a character away from Cersei like in canon.
Rheagar: You swore and oath. It's your fault that my wife (who I swore and oath to) and my children were murdered while I busy getting a divorce and making babies that would threaten my children's right to sit on the throne. How dare you.
You just blow in from stupid town? Rhaegar was trying to protect his kingdom from the others and had to prepare lightbringer for his prince who was promised. He did not want to hurt his family, it was tragic circumstance from putting the prophecy that would save westeros into action. Would you rather he never set the scene for humanity to be victorious against the white walkers?
@@gibbysplendid3725 Oh please. there were a million and one things he could have done to keep Elia Martell safe without leaving her with his dad. Even without that, whatever prophecy he might or might not have seen didn't matter. He betrayed his wife, got his children murdered, and started a civil war with highlords in control of significant portions of the country. All for a vision of the future he had under the assumption his children were all magical chosen ones. At best the prophecy was misread, and at worst it was outright wrong. Either way tens of thousands of people died, and his family was pushed off the throne. I always hated that overly romanticized version of Rheagar everyone goes on about. He convinced a teenage girl to go away with him to his tower and got her pregnant at the cost of his own family, thats it.
@@zachstenger1372 Aerys killing Rickard and Brandon and calling for the heads of Robert and Ned started the war. Robert Arryn was the one who called his banners and kicked off the war to protect his wards. Rhaeghar and Lyanna did not start the war, they just set it into motion.
And Rhaeghar was correct about having a child with Lyanna, ice and fire etc. I hate it when people criticize Rhaeghar's working off of prophecy since he was actually right, hating him for that is totally nonsensical. If anything Rhaeghar interpreted prophecy better than any of the other characters, he even altered his views as initially he thought it was Aegon, then realized he must have been wrong when he met Lyanna.
@@solank7620 the thing is we have zero clue whether or not he was right about the prophecy, jon wasnt integral to the shows final battle, and the books havent come that far yet. He chose to betray his wife, run off with a teenager, and piss of not one,not two, but three of his seven most important vassals. The war would have happend without the starks being murdered, but that move sealed his families fate
@@zachstenger1372 If you don’t think Jon is some sort of chosen one then I don’t know what to tell you. You’re reading some other series entirely.
The show’s ending means nothing.
Melisandre asked to see her king, “All she saw was Snow”. Just one of the many indications of Jon as being of prophetic importance.
I mean look at the name of the series for goodness sake! A Song of Ice and Fire. Jon is the only character who represents both.
I don’t know why you think the war would have happened if Aerys hadn’t murdered the Starks. I’ve never seen anyone make that claim before. That makes no sense. Hell, Jon Arryn wasn’t even going to call his banners until *after* Aerys wanted his wards heads.
Even after that, most, including Tywin, thought the rebellion would be minor and swiftly crushed until the Battle of the Bells.
You have to understand that the Targaryen dynasty had ruled unchallenged except by their own family (Targs and Blackfyres) for three hundred years. Their might was not in question. Aerys could have probably avoided rebellion even after killing Richard and Brandon, if he had just left Robert and Ned alone. That’s how powerful the Targaryens were.
So I don’t think too many would agree with your war was inevitable stance.
Love your reviews!
Thank you
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The thumbnail depiction of Rhaegar looks like a young, beardless Chris Hemsworth with bleached hair.
Elricwulf your so right. I’ve been glaring at that picture trying to figure out I know this person
1:29 Or, Aerys feared Jaime would be assassinated. Kept him close to protect him. ("Accident in a joust" - is a very convenient method.)
Aerys might not have loved Jaime, but rather, knew the North Conspiracy wanted Jamie dead...so Tywin became free to join the rebellion (like he wished to.)
Again love the way you narrate
I also hope for a more satisfying conclusion to Jaime's story in the books... the foreshadowing is in place for him to be the true Azor Ahai reborn.
- it's implied that he and Cersei are actually bastard children of Aerys, after claiming primae noctis with (on? against?) Joanna Lannister (doubly ironic because then Tywin's *only* true child is Tyrion, who is the one of the three Lannister siblings most like Tywin according to their aunt Genna, and Tywin's always ranting about how Tyrion is "no son of mine," because he's too arrogant to see past the surface level when it comes to his own family)
- Jamie killed Aerys after learning that the Mad King was planning on destroying the entire city with wildfire after pretending to surrender to Robert's men and letting them all into the city
- assuming we can trust the general plot of the show to be correct, Cercei will also stockpile a shit ton of wildfire and plan on blowing up the city after "surrendering" to Dany / Jon -- in essence, the same plan that Aerys had
- Azor Ahai tried to forge Lightbringer 3 times, the final time succeeding by quenching in the heart of his true love, Nissa Nissa... Jaime's sword has been forged twice: first as the Stark ancestral Valyrian steel sword Ice, then reforged into Oath Keeper... it will become Lightbringer when he plunges it into the heart of his love, Cercei, to save the people who will never know or recognize him as a hero
- related, we also know Stannis' sword is not actually Lightbringer, it's just a glamor used by Melissandre to convince people, because as Aemon points out to Sam Tarly, the true Lightbringer produced an intense level of heat, said to be almost unbearable to be near, and Stannis' sword produces no heat
- also, we know that even if Jon Snow is brought back from death by Melissandre, it doesn't necessarily make him the Prince that was Promised any more than Beric Dondarrion is for having been brought back six times by Thoros of Myr
- in Mel's viewpoint chapter, we learn that every time she prays for an image of Azor Ahai, she only sees "snow" -- but this could be a deliberate misdirection, since we know "prophesy is a sword without a hilt" and GRRM never likes to make it obvious... perhaps she's really seeing the white cloak of the Kingsguard, Jamie at his ideal best, embodying the ideals of true knighthood
i hope you're right, but you probably aren't. i'd love for jaime to have a real redemption arc as he's my favourite character. i honestly think he would kill cersei to save everyone even if it would hurt him so much to do.
Interesting theory and it reminds me of Jaimie's dream s from the books. But I worry his Nissa Nissa could be Brienne. One thing I learned is that the series prophecies are fluid and can apply to a lot of people.
Makes more sense that Jon Snow is Azor ahai since he combines ice and fire unlike Jaime.
But that's a cop out. If jaime and cersei are targaryens, that means house targaryen was restored in season 2.
Furthermore the prophecy says that azhoir ahai will be born of the line of aerys and rhaella. Joanna is not rhaella.
@@mappingshaman5280 well, if you really want to be pedantic, the Azor Ahai prophesy says absolutely nothing about the bloodline of Aerys and Rhaella, because the Azor Ahai prophesy predates them being alive by thousands of years. You're conflating the Azor Ahai myth with the "prince that was promised" prophesy made by a random unnamed woods witch which Maester Aemon believed made Rhaegar the Prince-that-was-Promised (he later changes his mind to thinking it was about Dany, because "prince" is gender-neutral in Valyrian)... It is possible that the two stories refer to one magical individual, but the Azor Ahai story is a cultural myth that has been around for thousands of years, the Prince-that-was-Promised is a specific prophesy by a specific minor character made within a few decades of the story taking place, they're not the same prophesy... But magic is a sword without a hilt, as GRRM likes to remind us, and believing in those prophesies at face-value is almost always wrong
Keep it coming
My favorite characters in this whole world.
Rhaegar was a narcissist who dishonored his wife because he was obsessed with prophecy.
No one needs to hear your golden crap...KINGSLAYER
This!!!
came from Jamie 😂even Cersei dont love you she just uses you but you are still love him so you are a narcissist too...
I felt sorry for what Jaime had to endure as a teenager guarding the Mad King, esentially a hostage condamned to see the king burning people, abusing his queen, etc. His father Tywin, for all he claimed to care for his "golden" son, sacked the capital and ordered the Mountain to kill off the royal family instead of rushing to see if his son was still alive. All his life, people used him--his father for his ambition, the king as a hostage, Cersei for whatever she wanted, all except Tyrion and Brienne, who liked him just the way he was. As for the battle against the undead, well, he was more useful than many others who had both hands, he never ran/froze up like Arya,The Hound,etc, he saved Brienne's life again and Pod's, he was still fighting on the walls when Arya stabbed the Night King. However, I think it was more courageous to show up alone at Winterfell among his enemies, knowing they can kill him on sight , to fight the undead with them, leaving his pregnant sister-lover behind, than to fight the undead. Also, when he was trialed by Daenerys and the Starks, he kept his vow to keep the king's secrets and didn't say that Aerys had planned to burn the city. I don't know why Tyrion and Brienne, who knew, didn't say it, as they swore no vows! Also, the show whitewashed characters like Tyrion and Cersei, but made Jaime darker--he never killed his cousin or forced himself on Cersei in the books and left her when he learned she had cheated on him with Lancel, burning her letter begging him for help. Ironically, he left his army and job to go help Brienne who is leading him into a trap, to Lady Stoneheart. Brienne lied to him that she needs him to treat with the Hound to free Sansa and he went fully knowing he can't win against a fight with the Hound. If he survives Lady Stoneheart, it's obvious he will be upset with Brienne for lieing to him and leading him to potential death, and possibly returning to Cersei for their son Tommen and because, for all her sins, Cersei never sent him to potential death like honorable Brienne. Lady Stoneheart is mad enough to hang 10 year old Podrick for being Tyrion's squire and Brienne, her sworn sword, when she refused to kill Jaime, so logic and facts will not convince her. I wouldn't be surprized if Lady Stoneheart staged her own deranged version of the Red Wedding , forcing Jaime and Brienne to play groom and bride before execution, maybe with some dead Freys hanging as a romantic background--our author loves weddings! :-D
The Jaime banging Cersei in front of Joffrey's corpse happens in he books too, everything else too apart from killing his cousin, his book cousin was killed by bandits.
@@sonofjack6286 Yes, but in the books, he doesn't force himself upon her like in the show. They said it was consensual in the show, too, but I didn't see it that way...
Looking forward to getting my copy of a feast for crows on Tuesday!!!! 1st Edition too. As much I know I'll enjoy reading the books, I enjoy the hunt for 1st Edition books. ⚔️
“Don’t worry, incest is nbd.” You’re welcome, just saved you nine minutes.
there is no consequence for commiting incest ok bye while i am going to fight war because my grandfather committed incest
I love ur voice n the way u narrate...😍🙂👌..
If Rhaegar and Lyanna had known then that bearing forth their offspring would be the deposer of The Last Dragon, I wonder what R and L would have very complicatedly felt, especially for the Targaryen baby sister. After GoT ended in my fury, I never thought about this before until just now. Cheers, maker of the video!
thank you!
I love your videos!😁👍
If Jamie wouldve died in battle it wouldve been kinda interesting to see what Tywin would do with Robert, when hes only beloved son gets killed by him, I dont think we would like giving his only daughter to this men..
tywin is emotion less and practical man
even if jaime had died from tywin would had married cerci with robert bcoz it was his best option
From what I watch, Rhaegar wasn’t anything but a sad man that was the last piece to his families destruction. His mother had a horrible life due to her husband and his insanity and that really wasn’t good for anyone.
i feel like i'm the only one who really loves rhaegar's character. it could just be because i feel bad for him, a lovestruck prince who loved music and was loved by his people, and fucked himself over in the end. he's just such a complex character and there's so much more to be revealed about him that we don't know about.
You're not the only one. :)
same here as well.
I love his character too , its such a tragedy that the events with leyana stark had to happen , cause rhagar could've been the greatest king the 7 kingdoms had ever seen , there's other videos that talk about how Tywin was mentoring him and how they both were planning to remove the mad king , man can you imagine rhagar as king with tywin as his hand and father figure ! The realm would've prospered greatly
Like most men, he thought with the wrong head smh
Not to mention he believes in the prophecies
4:22 is when he you hear what Rhaegar said to Jaimie.
Before that the narrator tells the backstory of the Tournament at Harrenhall, the roster of the kings guard and other facts. If you already know that info, then 4:22
This is a really great moment in the books
Interesting context on Jamie’s background for a non book reader. I never even thought about how crushing it would be for Tywin when the mad king made Jamie Kingsguard thus no children and Tyrion then having to carry on the line. Ace move by the mad king. Denying him the chance to fight at Harrenhal. Or being only 17 when he killed the mad king. And really, why the condescension towards Jamie? Were Robert and Ned going to put him in chains? They were killing him too, they just felt like he was theirs to kill it sounds like Jamie did too in a number of levels.
Ah yes, saying "we shall talk when I see you again." Is a death sentence in Game of Thrones
I came to Game of Thrones very late (having just watched the show a few months ago) and I'm now reading the books. What a fascinating story and the characters are fascinating. I didn't like Jaime in the show at all but from reading the books I'm beginning to change my mind a little.
One UA-cam's smoothest voice!
Keep up the good work!
5:28 "Press X to doubt"
I wished they would have talked about this relation on the show. Maybe somehow spark a story from it whereas Jaime was supposed to help the kids but it was too late, etc...Perhaps in the books Jaime could have ploted with Varys to take Young Griff away.
Rhaegar wasn't stopped by his sense of duty, his flagrantly irresponsible attitude by running of with Lyanna is what stopped him from dealing with Aerys.
According to the books rhaegar took joy in singing in the poor parts of King's Landing like flea bottom
The last thing he said to Jamie was, "Jamie I don't drink much but, I think I'm going to he Trident and get hammered"
Hey man if you keep up with one piece you should do similar videos about it! Think that would be nice
why jaime didn't save ellia martel and kids
I always wondered why he heard nothing of Jaime from Harrenhal. It seems like everyone who was important enough showed up to Harrenhal, but I never heard of Jaime being there. Now we know why.
i hope we get to see more of jamie's guilt about what happened to the targaryen children in the future. To me, that is the most interesting of his failures
Rhaeger left Jamie there because he knew that he would do the right thinking Reading something about Jaime told Terrian that when he heard that rhaeger die He cried
I liked that he went back to cercy ...I thought it made sense for his character, one of the only things I liked in season 8
Rhaegar beating the kingsguard in jousts is definitely them being protective of him.
This should have been the next series
Assuming we ever get WoW and DOS, I'd love to see how people react if GRRM decides to have Jaime reconcile with Cersei.
Which book and pages where the lines from?
I was such a fan. Now, I'm not confident if grrm would even want to continue the books... So I'm not sure if investing interest would come to fruition 😭😭😭
I think he definitely Will finish them. Or continue them at least. The story in the books is completely different, and there's still Young Griff, who's attacking and claims to be Aegon Targaryen, son of Rhaegar and Elia, but he's probably just Aegon Blackfyre or the something. Maybe he's also just some random kid, but anyway he'd coming to claim the throne along with Dany, Stannis(if he doesn't die), the people in Dorne and MAYBE Jon.
Can you please get a better microphone lol. Your vids are good, I just wish the audio was a bit more coherent.
Rhaegar probably suspected Jaime to be his half brother from Aerys the II and Joanna.
that makes jamie a kinslayet. robert is the kingslayer and a kinslayer.
Nicholas Nubin that’s the most dumbest theory i ever read
@@fairhair5423 fun fact and hidden in one of jaimie's pov: rhaegar was jamie's and cersei's half-brother in the paternal line. with other words: aerys is the father of jamie and cersei.
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 a true fan of the books would tell you thats not true at all lol, I could explain why but that's gotta be a shitload of texts, plus George Martin made it clear that he won't make the same reveal twice as a response to the "Tyrion is a targ" theory
@@anne-kathrinhohlig1466 but believe what you want, once the books come out (if they ever will) you will realize that you were wrong so I don't really care about trying to prove you wrong when the books/George Martin will do it for me in the future.
Love is the death of duty.
at 5:42 you said lyanna mormont instead of stark lol
"Ahhhh...ouch"
I think that in the books, Jaime will kill Cersei,who will probably go mad and try to do what Aerys had tried all those years ago. It also fits with the valonquar prophecy since Jaime is tounger than Cersei. I also think that somewhere along the way Jaime might save Jon Snow's life,or realize tht he is Rhaegar's son, since Rhaegar's last words to him bid him to protect his children, and Jaime still feels awful for failing Rhaenys and Aegon.
The secret that all targeryens live to serve is about the night king... Even rhaegar ready to Sacrcificed everything just to have the prophecy (jon)
Jaime story is always so frustrating to me, how can anybody be ignorant enough to call jaime a bad guy and "dishonorable" for killing the mad king and saving half a million people from dragon fire just because it technically broke and oath. Jaime has nothing to apologise for. He was smarter and had more integrity at 17 than most of the adults around him
Do keep in mind that, in the story, no one but Jamie actually knows that Aerys was going to blow up the city and kill hundreds of thousands of people just to spite Robert -- the only people Aerys told were the alchemists, whom Jaime killed immediately before killing Aerys as they were on their way to do the deed, and Jamie himself never shared that detail with anyone because he knew everyone would think he was making it up to try to protect himself...
As far as readers / watchers of the show go, yeah, anyone calling Jamie dishonorable has not been paying attention. Morally questionable, compromised, made mistakes... yeah, absolutely. But the man's got an iron-clad sense of honor, he's one of the few people in the story that actually embodies the ideals of knighthood.
Because oaths are everything in that world. And Jaime swore to defend the king. Jaime isn't completely wrong when he killed Aerys to protect the city, but everyone else aren't wrong either when they point out that Jaime betrayed his oath. And while he was in a difficult situation he could have done things differently. He could have subdued the king or resigned afterwards. His arrogant behaviour also doesn't help.
@Jimbo Slice Jaime tries to kill Bran by pushing him out of window. That's not "iron-clad sense of honor" or "embodies the ideals of knighthood" lol. He's a complicated character and no villain, but he is not saint or a hero either.
how do you know this? Is it in the books?
Man I miss reading the books. Great vid though.
where does all this information come from
You should make a video about what might have happened if Rhaegar overthrew his father for the throne.
Aerys definitely had the best kings guard of all the Targaryen kings.
I like Mr Jamie Lannister no matter wat. He had a good hrt
I feel like Rhaegar and Robb Stark would get along pretty well
At 5:41, you meant to say Lyanna Stark right. Because Lyanna mormont wasn't born.