Watcher Destroyed Their Channel | Moistcr1tikal Reacts
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The funniest part is that steven lim guy (the ceo) also wants to launch a new show where he travels the world and lives lavishly basically. Its so out of touch - I hope he steps down. People mainly watched them for shane and ryan - not stevens shows.
Not a single Lim video broke a million views
Anytime they did those drunk spooky reading vids, I always skipped Steven's part because he was just so unfunny, and his segment took up like half of the fucking video. Dude is not as entertaining as he thinks he is.
@@nickjohansen9038 not to be the "erm actually" guy, but half the dish granted videos broke a million views, so you kinda just lied. (I'm not defending the Watchers decision)
@@goopmallow39609/9 of the dish granted videos that broke one million had celebrities, UA-camrs or in one case a Michelin star chef. He would never be able to pull a million views on his own and that’s a proven fact.
@@goopmallow3960 Honestly, I did like dish granted (the concept was fun, though I didn't always see the need to go crazy expensive), but not enough to watch every video; I picked and chose based on who the guest was and my mood. I also liked him on the drunk spooky story videos (I liked him more on those videos, tbh, but mostly because I liked the character he was playing more in relation to the overall video - it was more funny to me)
buuut all that being said, I basically only watched Shane/Ryan videos like Ghost files, Mystery files, & Puppet History
Markiplier is out here making sure A Heist With Markiplier, In Space With Markiplier and Distractable, is free to watch with amazing production quality and these guys want us to fund Steven Lim running around in his Tesla eating $1000 wagyu steak. Tone deaf and greedy
Yeah, this is definitely a decision made by Steven Lim, or so I believe given he is CEO. Ryan, Shane, and the rest of Watcher need to get rid of him somehow because he is making them look so bad right now.
yea only difference is markipliers episodes were funded and produced by youtube themselves so not even in the same world
@@baoef284 I don't know, Markiplier is a man who once owned _five ovens._
as a old buzzfeed unsolved fan this gives me a lot of distaste for Shane and Ryan, I mean how involved our impartial are they in this decision 😢 it’s very greedy and idk how to feel
@@ElfTwinkGamingFor some reason it seems like he's the CEO because no one wanted to take the responsibility
And now everyone is mad at him because of it
I don't defend him. To me it just seems like Shane and Ryan stopped caring
They are kinda weird in the last episodes ( the vibe is off) and their dynamic is noticeably colder
The "Watcher? I can barely afford her" comment got me bad XD
Old shane would love that joke
lmao yesss I spent like three hours total through a few separate times reading the comments under the original video and they were all funny as hell and entertaining but that comment was top tier 😂
I saw that comment and giggled a little
@@doremi383 this hurts
As a casual fan of Watcher and devoted fan of watching train wrecks I’m actually having a wonderful time
Bahaha you articulated how I feel, thank you!
they lost me a while ago and now I just heard of this and reading through the comments was quite a ride xD
😆
Love this comment so much cause same.
Me too, I can't wait to see how Watcher responds to this
The thing is, I think most subscribers are there for Ryan and Shane only. We've enjoyed watching lower production quality content years ago, that's what got us hooked. No one asked for higher quality stuff. No one asked for seeing some guys eat expensive food!! Wtf. And who wants to pay for it and sign up to a completely different platform?! It's wild. 🤯
Agreed. I liked all the new sets and stuff, but it's not important. They could Wayne's world it and id watch
Exactly! Nobody wants to open their browser and go to a website and type in the address. It's not 2008. Do they even have an app? Do they realize most people won't want to open an app just to watch their content? That's why UA-cam works because it's everything in one place.
@@archeryan8404 I'm just over here yelling at Ryan and Shane to get out of this sinking ship before it's too late 😩. Been watching them for so many years now and would hate for them to go down like this.
I used to like them more back then tbh...like when they just recorded stuff with their phone without any of the fancy gadgets they use today
I hate to make Steven Lim the scapegoat, but I blame Steven Lim. I don't care about his content! Never have.
I was here for ghosts. Not being funny but I never even heard of Steven until he was sat next to them, and I was like "Oh, cool, okay, they have someone along who's maybe more business-minded, fair enough."
Suddenly the man wants to travel the world and eat caviar and film it as if it's some great beacon of content? And that tanks the channel's budget? And now I have to pay for the newest seasons of my funky little ghost show? AND they've been hailing how good said season is? Hmmm. Boooo. Boooo on you, sir. In a very non-ghostly boo. A very non-ghostly boo indeed.
As if we don't have enough yt creators doing exactly that- traveling and eating 😂😂😂
Where's the statement about Stevens new show plan? I keep looking but idk where he said it
Right? There's loads of free to watch youtube channels doing the luxury travel thing. Why would we pay for it?
@@elanormericle4642 The other guy he used to eat obscenely expensive stuff with has popped up again in his socials with "big announcement coming!" etc, and they mention it in the video. The show they had was back at Buzzfeed. It's not a sane idea, especially now with the cost of living crisis at the forefront. No one wants to see a couple of privileged LA dudes stuffing their gobs with gold covered lobster in the Swiss Alps. Even the Sidemen have scaled back on that type of content because they have the intelligence to understand that it just looks entirely out-of-touch with the reality of the viewers.
Back then the "Worth It" show did well, but that was on Buzzfeed, 8 years ago, with dozens of people making lifestyle videos in an ecosystem that could support it. Watcher is not that, it's a completely distilled audience who came to Watcher for Ryan and Shane and their ghoul boys content. They didn't bring over the Worth It audience with them.
Lim seems to have convinced them that the audience is there for him and his stuff as much as it's there for Shane and Ryan, but it's just not true. The audience for Ghost Files is not the same audience he had for Worth It, and people don't want to pay a subscription just so he can resurrect his lavish lifestyle show that no one is going to watch.
@@elanormericle4642 they're advertising it in the goodbye youtube video.
Everyone was blaming Steven Lim and I wasn't sure why, then I checked out his Instagram and it was blatantly obvious.
This is the guy who is now resurrecting his old show of "Men eat the most obscenely overpriced garbage", and he's bringing that back during a cost of living crisis while most people can barely afford to pay their essential bills. His socials are full of pics of him posing in expensive suits, wearing shades indoors, holding glasses of Champagne at glitzy events, and he drives a Tesla. The guy is the Andrew Taint of Watcher while Shane and Ryan are the Rhett and Link. He's a poser obsessed with the appearance of material wealth.
I didn't want to join a pile on and blame him for all of this, but he does seem to be the one blowing through cash like it's his full-time job.
I didn't think this before but now I'm actually wondering if Steven is a majority share holder of the company and he's the one making all these decisions while Shane and Ryan are the "familiar faces" he's using to try to cash-in.
It really feels that way right now. He's the one most out-of-touch with the audience, he's the one rarely seen on camera, he's the one always talking business before anything else. He wants to "move fast and break things", he thinks he's the next Elon Musk.
I still don't understand why people are taking the responsibility and blame of Shane and Ryan's shoulders
I get that we love them
But this decision has been discussed "for months or even years" as Steven said in the video
If I understand correctly, initially Ryan and Shane were the owners of the channel, but then they invited Lim and made him the CEO so they could focus on creativity. As many others in the original video comments pointed out, when that happened, the shows started to feel more and more overproduced, with bigger budgets, more expensive sets etc (which, as those same others said, the fans never asked for).
Steven's reaction when Shane said people can share their account explains everything we need to know.
@@Iisheell That happens when you give up the management and focus on creativity,sadly
It was their decision,and Steven is not the only one who made mistakes
@@Iisheell nah. they started watcher as a trio. when they started, all three of them were the CEO(?) not sure if that's the correct position but they've talked about how all three of them have equal executive power but ryan and shane stepped back when they realized the "business" aspects of the company wasn't for them and steven was more the numbers man. so they stepped down and steven had become the sole ceo.
Just want to point out that Peacock TV has 80,000 hours of tv shows for 5.99 a month.
okay shill
@@stmsinhe’s still right though. Their asking price is outrageous compared to any subscription service.
peacock is dogshit
Shilling peacock isn't the point, the point is watcher are offering a lot less variety of content for the same asking price as a big company streaming site
@@stmsinit’s A fair comparison
it’s crazy they went from like the darlings of youtube to public enemy number 1 in 0.2 seconds
Most of their demographic are students, so there's that.
Literally the entire comment section is people saying that they can't afford it, and how strapped for cash they are. I mean I'm in the same boat, I'm a full time student, I don't have any streaming services cause it's either Netflix or groceries. I love their content though so it's just kinda terrible
@muhelectionwasstolen7253 your pathetic attempt at a no uhm akctually ☝️🤓 completely fails when you realised their largest demographic is students and not single mom's I want whatever you're smoking cause clearly it's fucking strong
@muhelectionwasstolen7253A shame you didn’t save yourself the embarrassment of sharing that damp quib.
@muhelectionwasstolen7253 They don't do much of true crime on Watcher. They do ghost stories, history, and mysteries along the lines of "were these aliens???" Some mysteries cross the line into true crime, but less unsolved deaths.
@muhelectionwasstolen7253 next time try providing probably real statistics before fact checking someone instead of embarrassing yourself...
I think the fact that Shane was encouraging people to password share IN THE ANNOUNCEMENT shows how he really feels. Vibes are off, man.
He looked sadder than I’ve ever seen him
Well Netflix stops customers from sharing their passwords which is controlling honestly like if you have guests over or the whole family is watching why do you need more passwords?
The thing is that unfortunately he (and Ryan) is a very important part of Watcher, so he most likely agrees overall with the idea. It’s sad but I think it’s important to remember that with creators, we only know the side they show us online. Although yes, his comment about password sharing does show his disliking to a certain extent
after seeing what his wife said on tumblr, its harder to make excuses for him
@@oddozone I didn’t see that she said something; what was it?
"The lil devil on their shoulder" is steven lim
Feels like it
Goatman has nothing on that man.
It's clearly not only his decision
Yeah , but it's not like Ryan and Shane are any better. They would've agreed to let this happen, knowing that their decision was gonna have some backlash.
@@yourbasicninja 🤝 Respect
They don’t even look convinced of this projects success
only that Steven guy looked excited throughout the entire video
@@arsena5209 LITERALLYY (probably happy he gets to eat expensive food bought by the fans of watcher who are probs only there for ryan and shane)
Ryan's face did say it all he looked frustrated.
Yeah. I only watch their Mystery Files series... definitely not gonna pay for it, though.
I'm not sure if someone else has said it, but patrons on patreon are being offered 40% off the subscription (non patrons are offered 30%) so they are more pissed off than the youtube comments. They're asking people who already pay them to pay double. Insane.
If this wasn't Lim's fault, smartest thing would be to pin it all on him. Sounds like no one would believe him lol. 'They set me up by feeding me excessively expensive food.'
It absolutely is Lims fault
No that would be easy for him to dispute, if Ryan and Shane were involved…
@@Polyfusiabecause Ryan and Shane are widdle babies with no agency... 🙄
Lets be real… no one was watching watcher for Steven. Everyone was there for Ryan and Shane. Taking Steven at all was mistake 1. Making him CEO was mistake 2. This move is strike 3.
I have a feeling they lost control of the channel to Steven somehow because not in a million years would i have seen this happening
looks like they have
steven’s the CEO. shane and ryan stepped down a while ago.
@@abook2141 Damn, that explains it.
Especially weird coming from Shane "eat the rich" Madej.
This seems so strange to me too. I don't mean to be parasocial or anything but Shane and Ryan really don't seem like the people to do something like this considering Shane always believed in eating the rich. He didn't become like this recently, he's had this eat the rich sentiment since the BuzzFeed days. For him to change so quick seems so weird and strange. It really seems like Stevens doing.
I don't want to send a hate mob to Steve but..... Ryan and Shane's body language and even Shane implying "If this is the last UA-cam video I ever make, I am pretty proud of the work we've done in the past" sounds to me that he knew this would be dragging the company out back and putting it down.
This is exactly what I was thinking watching this. Plus at the end when Ryan said this is our final goodbye or something along those lines. Shane's face kinda tells me he might not have been 100% into this. He looks gutted.
He also said something at 12:16, that supports this
@@Shooketh__ exactly about sharing with friends. I don't know it's not like I know them personally but that face man. That's not a 'I can't wait for this next step' kinda face.
here's the problem, they're trying to copy dropout without NEARLY the following, cast members, and sheer amount of content. and even then, when dropout started it was gradual, uploading fantasy high, a dnd show with an almost guaranteed large audience that had PROVEN to be willing to pay money for it. and then they uploaded the whole fuckin series to UA-cam a year later!! like there's a proven way to ease people into it, not suddenly slam down a paywall like a fuckin medieval gate protecting a goddamn sandcastle
Yep. Although I am mad they got rid of UmActually. Now the UA-cam is a glorified billboard.
But yeah for drop out it works. For watcher it doesn’t. I’m not paying to watch the same 2-3 dudes do variations of the same thing
Not only that, but I just pirate dropout now. And I'll pirate watcher if they go through with it
@@archeryan8404 where do you go to pirate dropout? i tried but didn't find a website for it
I thought the same thing! It feels so much scummier than dropout tho
Plus like they're posting shorts all the time of their programs to the point where you've watched like 90% of the episode just through their shorts. Soon after the episode airs.
12k patrons. $5 minimum = ~$600k per year....
they need more?????
You dont under stand CEO steven lim needs to travel the world and drop actual thousands of dollars on food alone and ryan needs to make extravagant basement sets no one asked for
I'll actually give ryan that one cause its funny @noctotainlowry9246
@@noctotainlowry9246I can't defend the Steven lim spending thousands of dollars on expensive shit but Ryan' s set is permanent soo it's a one time investment and it's clearly a set soo I doubt it cost that much dude
They have 5900 paying members, but have patreon tiers that range from 5-100 I believe
Paying monthly for Netflix sure, but monthly for a single series of episodes?
As a Watcher Patreon supporter since day one, I can provide some insight:
- We’re being offered a 40% discount on their streaming service.
- The Patrons are more accepting of this change than the general public (because we already had the disposable income to pay for it), but there’s still backlash even among our ranks.
- There’s been a long history of Steven getting a disproportionate amount of hate within the fandom. You can imagine how stressful the past 24 hours have been for Steven Defenders.
- There’s also a long history of Watcher making promises to Patrons and not following through. Promises for BTS content that rarely arrives, monthly schedules posted midday through the month, a supposedly Patreon-exclusive series getting posted to UA-cam anyway, etc. Poor management has always been an issue at Watcher.
> There’s also a long history of Watcher making promises to Patrons and not following through.
This really sucks, I hate to see this kind of thing :(. It just shows disregard for their fans/"customers".
I used to be a part of their Patreon but unsubscribed last December so I could focus on paying my student loans. I can corroborate that there has been a history of Watcher not following through on Patron promises -- I got one of my promised rewards a month after I quit being a patron lol which was wayy after I was supposed to get it (about 5-6 months late). I just think they should focus on making their Patreon everything they said it would be, and promote it more (most of the people I've been interacting with in the light of this news had NO idea there even was a Patreon, that's a huge marketing issue), before opting to try a brand new risky venture that might not even work. If they got let's say 10,000 new Patreon members, wouldn't that help them make even more money than risking it all on their own streaming platform??
That last one makes me wonder why they thought this would be a good idea. I mean, if you can barely give your Patreon subscribers what they ask for, how do you expect to do that with the _rest_ of your subscribers?
“among our ranks” lmfao🤓🤓🤓
But also I feel that Patreons were helping the channel while also giving free content to the people who could not afford to be a Patreon. Now you would be supporting a business model that leaves almost everyone out by paying the subscription
Rip puppet history, while the history was mildly inaccurate for most of the topics hearing it come from a puppet was funny
If you watch the ending of it, they all seem so unsure of this move. Ryan at the end says over and over again things along the line of "we hope you join us." "We'll see you over on the website, that's the hope at least." Regardless of what they're saying, some times they just seem like they're uncomfortable with this announcement.
Real ones remember buzzfeed unsolved
They should have brought back Brent instead of Steven 😂
Amen 🙏
@@jenh101Brent. We hardly knew ye.. 😔
They were whining about having 25 employees and most of them are close friends and family, as if that would make us all want to toss money at them. So tone deaf. It's actually shocking
The problem is that for every successful paranormal related show they have food shows where they fly all over the country and eat gold encrusted fillet mignon and other shit that no one really cares about yet costs them shit tons in production costs and eats up all the profits of the successful shows
The only time you see Steven shine is when he's partnering with Andrew for Worth It. And when he hams it up (especially on Too Many Spirits), it's so cringe, like he's trying so hard to fit in with Ryan and Shane. Already the dynamics of.
I'm sure Steven has worked hard as CEO, but if this is the decision he has allowed to happen as a leader, I am seriously questioning his credentials.The more I think about it, the more I really feel that something's not right with the managing of the company. There's just so many options to deal with "lack of funds". Already you find so many saner solutions in the comments section.
Perhaps after this, Watcher ought to do some soul searching. Hire a consultant, streamline staff members, whatever, just be smart about it, man
I hate to say it but they're bringing in these other ex-buzzfeed people in a channel where we only want Shane and Ryan, not all these other people! What a sham. Steven is literally piggybacking off of Shane and Ryan's fame and not realizing that his cooking series needs a separate channel and funding entirely.
Which is sad because I love the Worth It content and I got excited that they are bringing in Andrew and Adam for a similar show but turns out it will also be behind the paywall
I've seen Steven in multiple briefs, I realized, and still don't care. He may even be irreplaceable behind the scenes, I want him gone now, if he's behind this.
@@SarumanTheStinkysame! I enjoyed Worth It, but thinking back I was excited for Andrew and Adam to be part of team Watcher…and then I became depressed when I found out they’ll be behind a paywall 😢
steven put me off too many spirits.. I just hated watching those parts.. and then their other shows also lost me a bit over time. I guess upping their production downed my interest ^^“
Ryan and Shane need to ditch Steven. My frustration lies with the fact that most of us only followed them over to Watcher for the continuation of the genuine Ryan and Shane bromance not the 3rd greedy squeaky Walmart shopping cart wheel.
I do blame all 3 but I don’t think the Bros would have done this if not coerced. They always seemed to be for “The people”. So disappointing.
Not the Walmart shopping cart wheel 😂😂😂😂
as a watcher fan, it made me happy to see everyone agree that this was a TERRIBLE choice
It should be noted that college humor did do this successfully, but they rebranded to "dropout", which is crazy successful with a massive staff and they're internationally selling out live shows. they just sold out Madison Square Garden. I love Ryan and Shane but I don't think they have the content to support this kind of move like dropout does. Dropout's talent acquisition is amazing, I mean their actual play DND show has Brennan Lee Mulligan, widely thought to be among the 2 best dungeon masters in the world (making content) AND dropout's CEO is a rich dude, a politicians son, and is STILL better in touch with their target demographic than watcher has clearly become.
Again- I love Ryan and Shane, buzzfeed unsolved got me through being a healthcare worker during covid. But we watch for their dynamic, which just is not enough to support a whole ass streaming service. Also I'm not buying Steven wagyu and gold flaked food or 5 star hotels
The funny thing is Dropout staff is smaller than Watchers! Dropout has 20 (but Sam says they aim to have 25 by the end of the year (and considering the amount of content they plan on having, it tracks)
Watcher currently has 25 people!
(I love dropout so much and was/am unsolved/mystery files fan)
Edit: just realized you probably meant cast/people on the show LMAO, which is so true, I love seeing all the new comedians
I think the craziest thing about this situation is the fact that the company started during and survived a global pandemic just to have the call come from inside the house
The fact that they survived and THRIVED in a year where the majority of creators/artists didn’t, the fact that they did so on just green screens and simple concepts - how could they still fail to understand that we never needed huge fancy sets and insane graphics and extravagant spending? They could’ve survived on rizz alone but I guess they just had to trap themselves in an impossible game of one-upmanship.
They also planned on archiving ALL their videos.
Like making ALL their videos PRIVATE. They backtracked that VERY quicky.
But the point is THEY FULLY intented on TAKING DOWN ALL THEIR VIDEOS.
Where did they say that? That's such a horrible idea 🤦♀️
@@J0Mamaa they did an interview with i think it was Variety Magazine where they said it
Dude stop. They literally confirmed in the pinned comment of their "Goodbye UA-cam" video that they weren't going to do that. Stop spreading misinformation!!!
@@J0Mamaa They literally confirmed in the pinned comment of their "Goodbye UA-cam" video that they weren't going to do that. It's misinformation.
@@AirConditioner402they actually back pedaled to make it sound like they never said they were gonna take the videos down. But originally they did say you’d have til May 31st.
I agree. They should’ve went with the Mythical model.
What is their model?
@@alex99x99xstay on youtube forever and peddle merch like nobody's business
@@zarzee8925 I mean, it's a good model tbh. Merch is a lucrative business if you have people that will buy it. However, they do also have a ton of sponsors, some are questionable tho.
@alex99x99x They have an outside site with content that's exclusive for members. They have free and paid tiers. All their usual content stays on UA-cam, but they have bonus series on that site (Mythical Society iirc). I don't subscribe to it, but I have a fan who's a big fan of theirs, and he says it's worth it for him. It's pretty much a private patreon.
Who led them to that path? I have a strong feeling it's Steven.
For sure its BiG apPlE StEve
They've all come to this dumbass decision
They said that they've been discussing it for months or for years even
I think it's not solely his decision
@@4kach24STEVEN said they’d been talking about for months or even years
@@willieclark2256 *They chose him* to be their CEO,as people pointed out.
Invited him in order for them to "focus on creativity" and gave up the management
They are *business partners* . They had a say in this decision period.
If Ryan and Shane leave the channel, Watcher sinks. These two letting Steven take the helm, and ruining their brand is incredible. Production values really don't matter. People would watch Ryan and Shane talking out of a cardboard box. RIP. I did enjoy Buzzfeed unsolved.
This REEKS of Steven Lim. You know, the guy no one really cares for. They should’ve got rid of him years ago. Now I’m pretty sure it’s to late. Watcher is tanked.
God that guy sucks
“Why would someone do something like that?” that’s called greed, and greed makes people stupid
Does anyone actually like Steven Lim? His only bit is being an idiot on too many spirits. I'm watching Watcher for Shane and Ryan
No. 🤷🏻♀️
He kinda gives me the creeps. I can't describe it. Like a creepy skin crawl. I've been a long time subscriber and never liked him
Nope
I’ve never liked his content on Watcher, but I felt bad for him. It sucks to be the unpopular one or the odd man out, but he kind of did that to himself by trying to latch onto an established duo (for ex. Too many spirits. His presence seems forced there). Then again, he does try to do his own thing (the food shows), and they’re just unsuccessful. I think at the end of the day Watcher shouldn’t be putting out Steven Lim content. It’s unfortunately not what the fans want to see. I doubt Watcher will recognize this… since the problem is with Steven Lim… who’s is the sole CEO of Watcher after Ryan and Shane stepped down as co-CEO’s with Steven…
He’s always rubbed me the wrong way… I always skip over the drink making scenes on Too Many Spirits. I feel like he just doesn’t fit with Ryan and Shane at all
one of the issues i think is that their fan base is more than fine with lower quality content in terms of production, but in their want to make a tv show for some reason, they're overproducing by a large margin. they shot themselves in the foot by just not being in tune with their fans.
This exactly!
I love Ryan and Shane with all my heart. This is absolutely stupid
Their body language is SCREAMING in the video
Glad this comment sections feels the way I feel about Steven Lim. Dude is obviously trying to get rich here, and is dragging Shane and Ryan down with em :(
it's clear a lot of people watching Charlie talk about it also watched the watcher video and were commenting about him there too, so many people there either hate the guy or think he's not necessary there because they're all there for Shane and Ryan instead
Apparently he has rich parents so he has lived like a prince since he was a kid 🙄 aka he is disconnected from reality and is already rich.
@mun3698
Where are you getting that his parents afe rich from?
"Steven talk about money" no shot that wasn't a jab suggesting he is the one who cares about money and isn't on board with this.
Wow you guys are extremely parasocial. You know that whole part was scripted right? There were no “jabs” lmao, obviously they planned that he would be the one to explain that part. Accept that Ryan and Shane are just as responsible
@@wawaicedcoffee perhaps you're right and I'm just being parasocial on this one. I just find it hard to believe Ryan and Shane chose this. I thought his inflection felt like his typical sarcasm but I'm probably just being silly.
@@TehWhiteTigerunfortunately Shane and Ryan are as much to blame as hard as it is to accept. They at any point could have said "no Steven"
@@amelie983.maybe they signed a contract saying *Steven had the final say in decisions. I’m not defending them, but there really does seem something is afoot
@@TehWhiteTigersara, shane's wife supported the decision. it's not just steven. it's sad to see that shane is the biggest hypocrite here, with his anti capitalist "steal from the rich" schtick, but it's true.
Most of watchers fan base our college and highschool students, and I'm a part of it, and looking at my wallet I've got like barely 10 doll hairs if the conversion is right... And the thing is the Watcher crew is actually so loved by the fans and prolly grew their own community who got interested in ghost hunting, no one would be mad if they back out from this insane idea.
Charlie responding to the 25 employees comment was gold and why he is so awesome. He makes so much content has so many businesses going on and he still takes time to give back to his fans. Not take away, really tarnishing their own reputation with this move. I love them and watch all their videos and now idk what to think.
College Humor turned into DropOut where there is _more_ content behind the pay wall, but they still have a lot on the youtube channel
Never thought I’d see the day I’d pirate UA-cam videos. Lol
Edit: also wtf? The thumbnail made me think it was an AI image of the trash taste guys
Bro you're literally watching a pirated Charlie stream. What do you mean? People been pirating people's streams freebooting them for ages and calling it an "archive"
@@EJxSB its not pirating if charlie doesn't care about reuploads at all
@@honey-po9ij yes it is? It's like saying it's not pirating Sega genisis games if the companies don't even exist anymore... and let's say we agree.. It's still freebooting which is worse. And the reason Charlie will NEVER be able to say something is because he "reacted" to a lot of people's videos which he admits he is remorseful about because them people really didn't benefit
Also why is STEVEN the CEO??? Shane and Ryan have been doing this BEFORE him
They always fed us "Eat the Rich" content and now pull this shit...
It was always just divisional bullshit to keep you distracted from the actual issues do you not remember the buzzfeed stuff about white people or men.
They did come from Buzzfeed..
I've seen people saying "You can take the man out of BuzzFeed, but you can't take the BuzzFeed out of man" under their video 😂
Its wild that Watcher is getting this much attention. I've been following them since day one, and seeing youtubers talking about them is interesting to see.
But I do agree,them moving towards a new platform AND a subscription service is a huge gamble that feels like its doomed to fail. Pretty disappointed to see them fall into an off-site subscription service.
they expanded too much, hired way to many people and now cant support it, its a shame theyre dying trying to become a huge business like LinusTechTips.
For me it all happened INSANELY quickly. I literally never watched BuzzFeed Unsolved and never thought of these guys until recently, no more than two weeks ago, I got the Watcher channel recommended to me by youtube because I watch similar content frequently. I quickly guessed they're the two guys I knew from a BuzzFeed Unsolved meme (I've connected the dots - you didn't connect shit - I've connected them). So I watched a few of their "solved case or mystery" videos and then a few days ago also "Are you scared?" and then stopped to wait for new videos because the rest wasn't interesting to me. And then yesterday I randomly saw they uploaded the "Goodbye youtube" video 8 hours earlier and I was like 'huh that's weird', opened the video to read the comments and fell into the rabbit hole of people dunking on them and the Steven guy I didn't even know about the existence of before that for this ridiculous decision they made! 😂 I never even watched the actual goodbye video and I won't be watching it either lmao
maybe because we didn't expect them pulling this kind of stunt at all I hope they won't continue I really love ryan and shane I can't lose another matpat at this point
@Pumpkin36408 Yeah, so true. I get that they wanted to make a name for themselves and start a company that provides high-quality videos with great production. But at the same time, they got over their head with hiring waaay to many people to support them financially with the amount of content they regularly produced(one video a week).
At the beginning it seemed like an exciting idea, but the way that it's been heading, they've dug their own grave financially. And the only way to solve it is a subscription service.
This reeks of Steven lim. His series continue to fail and this is their way to fund his extravagant escapades with gold leaf steak and caviar. The average person doesn't want to watch a rich person eat rich people food. It feels like he is rubbing it in my face that I'm poor. I've seen a lot of other people describe feeling the same way.
this is honestly collectively so funny
like i get the "we want non-advertiser friendly stuff, we want indepdenance and yet prodcution value"
okay go ham. you have millions of views on each video, you have a patreon, you have sponsors, you have merch.
their subscription service is as expensive as Peacock which is full of tv shows or NEBULA which is full of youtubers that wanted to make quality content but get paid without having to appease anyone. MANY of which STILL make youtube content
Mister Beast HIMSELF said he takes out loands to pay for expensive videos and then pays them back when the video is out. And then he gets the next loan--
Dropout is interesting.
Collegehumor basically went belly up when IAC (the parent company) managed it to the ground then sold it to sam Reich who had been the chief creative officer. Dropout became basically a life jacket to keep the company afloat as they reworked their whole system. And i think you can clearly say it worked and dropout seems to be doing well.
Dropout at least seems successful and offers a good deal of content for a fair amount. I don't watch all the shows mostly just d20. But the other shows are good too
The amount of content that dropout has comparatively is insane and for the same price
dropout is amazing and is actually a subsciption i dont mind paying for
@@sentient.dumpling same, when they "left youtube" it felt like you were missing essential content. The things on dropout felt fun and while it's not something I watch everyday it's something I'm glad I support and love to watch
@@amberwasatomic8330 yeah and compared to watcher dropout just has a bigger cast of people who can create a variety of things. game changer, d20, make some noise, dirty laundry, um actually, etc. but the ghoul boys are known for this one thing.
Ryan seems really unhappy about this likes he’s at gun point hopefully it is just the ceo and not the whole team
That was my thought when watching the video, Ryan and Shane look like they’re being held hostage
Honestly this is doomed to fail unless they backtrack immensely
I don't think AdSense is covering their productions costs. They have more employees that they probably need, Lim has that show where he's eaten gold that he'll just shit out later cause the body can't process it and wants to do this more, and they're paying freelancers which means contractor fees which add up. Sounds like they've got a poor spending problem and needed to hire someone to take over their spending, not a subscription fee.
Eat the rich until you are the rich one right Shane..?
That was a surprise, so unexpected cuz they didn't even consulted their very own fans, the people that got them where they are right now, just to see if it would work out. I wasn't expecting that out of all the channels that would fell off so bad, it's them.
Oh Charlie got involved… it’s over. No but I’m so disappointed, I’ve been a big Ryan and Shane fan since buzzfeed and do not care for Steven but why would they do this? They get a lot with ads and THEIR PATREON. And it seems a lot of people don’t even know they have a patreon…. I wish them success but this is goofy
I thank God for Charlie bringing light to bullshit like this 😊
Yeah it's been like a roller coaster, because BuzzFeed unsolved ended kind of depressingly because they changed course to watcher, then they were all excited about watcher and now this . Back down the dip I guess.
Ryan and Shane need to shake the leeches and do their own thing for fucks sake.
They've started deleting comments now too.
All their comments are negative so I doubt.
@@armyb140They are, Ryan deleted my comment on his personal Instagram account and several on the "Goodbye youtube" video disappeared too.
@@m0onm0th what are the comments saying that are being deleted cos i saw someone else mentioned some being deleted but i also thought it would be a Feat for them to try to clean up the comment section AT all with the amount of negative comments present.
@@batty-bites3185 One I saw said that they were mad and disappointed
oh, ur right they're at least definitely deleting comments from their pinned post cos it dropped from over 700 comments back into 673 comments. idk what good that's gonna do.
Nobody is going to pay $6/mo to watch the 1 or 2 shows they enjoy from Watcher, me included. This is quite obviously going to fail.
Sadly some will and that'll be enough for them. Some girl on tiktok straight up said those who don't pay weren't real fans to begin with
Expecting their Patreons to continue funding there AND buy a streaming sub is the height of stupidity.
If only they could umm you know budget? Or hire someone to do so for them..
Why does he need even a few employees let alone more then 25
You don’t watch their videos, I don’t agree with this move and it’s a scummy move but it’s clear they need a pretty big team for everything they do.
@@CRyPi505everything they do that no one asked for. We just want them ghost hunting and bickering there for good half an hour. That's the very reoson we got them back. They are the ghoul boys not buzzfeed
@@CRyPi505 did they mean watcher or charlie?
@@CRyPi505 he's talking about critikal
no, they don’t. They’re paying their wives, girlfriends, family and friends.
I binge watched all their content, and I noticed they seemed less and less enthusiastic. They seem to have gotten a bit back with the new cryptid investigation series, but they still seem a little bored - I suspect they just need a change, and decided to take a risk to get more platform control. If it doesn't work, it doesn't matter, since they were going to pivot or leave this type of videos/entertainment entirely.
Yeah, they seem kind of tired.
still they could have found much better solutions for it than that even if they're tired/bored, that much would be so much more understandable than this poor decision
Maybe they were tired because they knew THIS was about to happen and they couldn't do much about it since Steven is the CEO.
You can only re-package the "ryan and shane" dynamic so many times before it gets stale.
Since reading all the comments I've started to wonder if the only way they can do what they want to do (assuming that's moving BEYOND classic "ryan and shane" and bringing other people into the spotlight) that they kind of have to lose the fan base that ONLY clicks on ryan and shane and ONLY wants them to continue to do simple concepts focused on their banter. It's been 10 years. It's time to move on.
You all have very good points. Looking, I also think it's completely fine to say "we've reached a point in our lives where we need more diversity, and that means only paying customers", but their argument that "everyone can afford 6 dollars" was just needlessly insulting, which is probably what triggered so much backlash. Also the fact that the patreon subs aren't given direct access to the website.
It seems like they're trying to do what Dropout did. As much as I love Watcher, I don't think it will work.
Dropout had BANGER vids tho like UmActually, GameChanger, etc. and they have lots of clips that viral which draws people on. I almost never see a watcher clip that goes outside of the sphere of watcher.
But yeah I agree it feels like they’re trying to copy dropout with the first episode for free and the rest behind a paywall
“I don’t know who led them down this path-“ I DO
Don’t forget when they said they were going to be removing their content from UA-cam and put ALL of their content behind the paywall until everyone freaked out and they backtracked that part of the video.
Never thought I’d see Charlie talk about Watcher, crazy stuff
It’s very weird to hear him mention multiple times that Dropout model has not worked when they literally just sold out Madison Square Garden in 30 minutes last week
$6 USD alone. That doesn't take into account international currencies and the taxes some have applied to digital subs. In Canada it would be a MINIMUM of $10 a month.
It's so painful but funny to me that Netflix, Prime, Disney+, HBO in my country charges around 1.80 to 2.79 USD/month for the basic plan while Watcher is asking 5.99😅 They've really alienated their less fortunate audience.
@@tinaffable And for what? All those other services have thousands of shows and movies to watch. Watcher doesn't make nearly enough content to justify $60 USD a year!
I mean this definitely feels like a Steven thing. And realistically feels like somethings Ryan would agree to as well. Between the three of them I feel like Shane is the only one who was against it
Admittedly this is all founded on being parasocial and pretending to know what they all think but this is feels the most right to me
I think Shane realizes the massive hypocrisy in this move but its not like he can do much about it if most everyone, even their advisors, agree too.
I think Ryan being as naive as he is is open to being manipulated. He looks like he is shitting himself throughout the entire announcement.
I feel like Steven's disappointed parents were the main cause. Playing the unfunny 3rd string. Emotional damage
I'm really surprised he's not talking about this on the main channel.
He probably will this channel usually just uploads the clips before moist makes the videos.
He will
I don’t think this is a official channel of Charlie but if I’m wrong correct me
steven wants to travel around and eat expensive food, while ryan and shane gotta travel for ghost hunting.
they do not have the budget for two entire crews to be to traveling all over the place all the time.
BUT I still feel like this was a bad decision.
Tried to become the LinusTechTip of shows, with a huge business with tons of workers, but they scaled waaaay too much and realized oh shit we dont make that much money to support this scaled business.
6:19 Ryans face says it all...eat the rich - lets eat Lim, get rid of him and let Shane and Ryan go back to what they do best and what we actually want.
I find it funny that the same happened with buzzfeed already
They’re also trying to launch a WEBSITE without a mobile app for watching videos… idk about you guys but I never just watch videos on a browser
Honestly looking at this. It's really giving the idea of how smosh was when they gave the company to defie media
Glad I wasn’t the only one to get that vibe. Maybe one of the boys will make their own UA-cam channel like Anthony did while the other one stays behind. And then 10 years from now they get together again lol
@@mun3698 My money is on Ryan. You can just see it on his face. He's not happy with this decision. Or I'll be both of them again. Cause I don't think Shane would be happy in a place that just feels like Buzzfeed all over again.
Whoever their ‘brilliant’ consultant is who came up with this should be blacklisted. As a web marketer, they failed to consider the effort cost of reaching for their wallet in the first place. Okay, so you think asking $6 isn’t that expensive… yes… fine… okay… BUT going from Free to $1 is an exponentially larger ask than $1 to $6 for many people. You have to ask yourself, “do I really need another monthly subscription charge?” And that’s what you’re up against.
Why blame Steven Lim?
*looks at Instagram*
Oh yeah nevermind it was his idea
Dropout is actually doing great, college humor was sold to one of the old producers on the show and he revitalized it great
Dropout has dozens of creators and personalities making wildly diverse content every day and 25 years of history from CollegeHumor (started 1999)
Watcher has three cornerstone shows with 2 personalities and they release those shows in series format twice a year.
They're nowhere near comparable. It's like comparing Disney with Rooster Teeth.
@@ct5625 charlies is the one comparing em, im just saying that they arent doing bad like he thought
Steven Lim is the problem. He's always been greedy
I been watching them for years on BuzzFeed and supported there new channel for 4 years helped them through the pandemic ( that when it launched ) me and many others grew there channel now think about that its more of a bigger slap in the face to us that being there since the start
Greed will always destroy your life. Always.
Shit feels bad I was a huge Unsolved fan
There's no content creator I'd download and pay a new streaming service for. 😂
I love and appreciate that you’re talking about this. I truly hope they change their mind. I would imagine there’s a contract that is keeping them there though, so they’ll probably be stuck with the decision they’ve made. I also don’t think that they would swallow their pride and say they messed up.
My countries exchange rate and me as a student, $5 is not as easily affordable
Here Yee here Yee, watcher has just announced an apology video, very refreshing to hear that they’ve made changes really good changes(brought to you by a watcher fan)
I think they could still do their own subscription based platform, but they should’ve done it where you can still watch the same episodes just that they’re heavily editied down to like 20 or so minutes, and have the long form versions of those videos on the subscription platform for those that want to support them that way.
they should've just done patreon or youtube memberships. having their own website you need to go to just for their stuff is a terrible idea
How they can have 25 or so employees is mind boggling. For what? Mythicals team is like 30 and the GMM channel has like 17 million subs. Those are at least the employees they regularly show on screen or in big group photos. Even Mythical knows better than to move to paywalled only content, the Mythical Society is EXTRA stuff.
It should be a great relief, If I were a popular UA-camr, to know that folks are here for ME. The person. Not some fancy set. They’d have to temporarily look like the bad guys dropping employees but if they did that, in the long run they wouldn’t have needed to jump ship like this. They’d end up making more if they had less employees to pay…I just dont get it.
And the Patreon, only around 5K are actually paying subscribers. So they have even less folks who would wanna come over. And I guess theyre making the Patreon a podcast only place. For another fee.
Yeah, and I mean 25 would be a reasonable amount if they were releasing more videos and had more subscribers.
W what they do to stay afloat they would either have to underpay or spread the resources too thin. You absolutely can have 25 employees, just wait till it's justified
I swear they'd be 2x as popular now if they just had more Shane-Ryan content(not even necessarily w them traveling, they simply make a wonderful duo), I know branching out is a tempting idea but before deciding to do that u should make sure that your idea is sth your audience wouldn't wanna miss.
I think Mythical has over 100 team members in their entire company. They’ve talked about it before on their podcast.
@@lachexamour yeah, that makes total sense lol I figured it was a lot
Mythical has 200+ employees, but that is across their entire media company. This covers their video production, their website, their merch company, book publishing, events, etc.
They can do that because they produce videos every day and have more than a decade of content bringing in consistently high revenue.
Watcher has 25 employees and produces "TV quality" shows while releasing maybe one video per week, and most of those videos are not the TV quality shows bringing them over 1m views. They have 2 formats, the basic YT experience videos (guys at table gaming, eating or other stuff) and their high-value shows like Ghost Files, Puppet Theater and Mystery Files. Only these bigger shows bring in 1m+ and they're released in seasons maybe twice a year.
Basically, instead of compartmentalizing their production costs to profitable and non-profitable shows, they're pooling it all together and they've become bloated with too many staff they don't need 90% of the time. They do not nee 25 employees to make "guys at table" content, but those employees are still there based only on the profits they make from the bigger shows.
Apparently 19 people were credited to have worked on in their "Goodbye UA-cam" video alone💀 Tf are all those 19 people doing behind the camera??
I watched watcher for Ryan and Shane and before that I watched buzzfeed for them and then only nobody wants to watch Steven lim
Nobody thinks it’s a good idea other than them. It’s crazy
I'll be here for their "We're Back" video next year
😂😅😭
Not even I'd put my money on a couple months at most.
i think when this fails Ryan and Shane will do their own channel and go back to basics. if cost is their biggest problem ghost hunting and traveling will have to go. get rid of their office do everything out of their houses in front of a set/screen and hope for the best . maybe try to get ghost files on TV or Netflix or something
This kind of reminds me of the fine brothers.
define brothers
yeah I've seen people making that connection in the comments under that video too
I remember Rooster Teeth does this too, when AH, Rage Quit, RWBY, etc. still ongoing series. It took them about 1-2 years to return and the damage already done especially losing the algorithm and fanbase outside USA/EU. Look at them now a.k.a they shutting down early this year.
RWBY went to shit after the main guy from Rooster Teeth/team working on RWBY passed away too
I really loved those guys. Used to watch their videos (mostly ghost files) and i don't even know what to feel now.
"natural healing", more like "content stealing"
I also have a feeling their audience skews younger and includes a lot of teens, there’s no chance you’re going to be able to get them all back in a paid viewership model, most of them just won’t have that kind of money to spend. It’s a shame, I actually really liked Watcher and I remember rooting for them when they launched and the pandemic hit, crossing my fingers they’d pull it off. I can’t understand why they’re making a move like this. Hope they know something literally no else has figured out..
That casual "I have more than that." It's nice seeing someone this big talk about it from this perspective.
I'm hoping larger content creators like Moistcritikal speak out against this. I really don't UA-camrs creating streaming services.