Hashimoto was born in '91, so he's going to be 33 in Paris '24, if Japanese had a better judoka at 73 they would have make him qualify. Hashimoto had his best years from 2017 to 2019, when he battled with Ono for a spot in Tokyo 2020. After that he changed slightly style, dominating the grips but attempting less and less attacks. He is beateble thought, I remember his losses with Macias, Stump and a fellow japanese beating him in national championship in '21 or '22. He relied a lot on the one handed sode, but referees and rivals are a lot more careful to that technique and he has tai otoshi and seoi as "backup", but he uses them sparely or for creating a number of attacks or kinza. I think he is the best utilizer of the rules and kumikata, not the best thrower, but he 73 kg is a category with a lot of change from the last Olimpics (Ono, Orujov, Shavdatuashvili) and he is exploiting a void of talent domestically and internationally. I would rate his performance 7 for his cleverness
Same here! And I think the reason that he changed his throwing style is because he hurt his eye after world championships (the year he lost to an chamrin)
In my opinion, it is not a problem with the rules. Instead, it is a problem with the enforcement of said rules. Seriously, your analysis is spot on in this one. Hashimoto should have gotten called for a lot more false attacks!
I believe what the referees are doing here is looking at Hashimoto's game as a whole. They are not looking at any particular rule in isolation. Specifically, I think what's happening is that, besides these false attacks, which I would admit is an objective assessment here, Hashimoto's Judo is very positive: his posture is almost always upright, his grips are always positive, his movement is dynamic, and he enters into techniques, false or not, quite fast. Watching him, I get the sense that his defense is dynamic: his opponents struggle to throw him not because of his strength or grips, but because they don't really keep up with his movements. I think that the referees are valuing that, so much so that several false attacks go unpunished. My opinion, for anyone that cares, is that they are correct. I believe Hashimoto was the better judoka during that second round, which in the absence of a throw, should determine the winner.
Just watch his posture. He is always closer to throwing his opponents then they are to throwing him. He is rarely stopping them from attacking, and he is attacking. I have more of a problem watching Abe against Muruyama than I do watching Hashimoto vs. XXXXX if we're getting into the dumb application of shidos.
This is me speaking as a ref. Recently (either this year or last year) there was a clarification of the “false attack” rule. The change was that any attack which receives a reaction will not be considered a “false attack”. This include among other things a step, a quick change of the grips, a counter etc. If you watch Hashimotos “false attacks” you will almost always spot a reaction. I am not saying the rules are right or not, but the referees aren’t wrong for not giving Hashimoto false attack shidos.
To add onto this, in the match against the Uzbek he received 1 snide for false attack. This was the one attack where uke didn’t move his feat to react.
Yeah I understand the new rule, but I think it’s too lenient. Also, it penalizes the other judoka who is not quick enough to attack. Judo shouldn’t be about who attacks first wins.
@@JudoHighlights2015 I fully agree with you. I don’t particularly like this rule either. I at least think that Ne-Waza should count as a positive action, thus removing dropping as a tool for anything other than throwing. With all this said, the current rules are unfortunately the way they are, and it seems like hashimoto very early on realized the utility of this rule change.
Hashidomoto plays the rules well. He can throw, but many times it's not necessary and he wins. It's not easy to do that, but the rules really shouldn't allow these kinds off wins.
I have never liked Hashimoto's style. I think he has adapted that style to survive and thrive in the grueling and competitive world of Judo in Japan--he is not the strongest, nor the most skillful judoka in Japan's stable. Your video proves it. Thank you for putting this together.
Hashimoto has a game plan and execute it fine. Definitely he plays with the rules and I think many of his attacks are within the margin of false attack. At least he puts some effort in his attacks. Sometimes due to strong grips from his opponents he can't rotate his body or drop on his knees and look like false attacks. These judokas are super strong and very equal and is very difficult to execute their techniques. I think he works hard and has evolved both sides and his ground game too.
Hashimoto doesn't seem like the judoka from years before. He is definitely beatable now, before he was aggressive with powerful throws and ippons with only a couple losses. Now I don't know if he'll take Paris.
I think Hashimoto is trying out new stuff. His Sode-Tsurikomi-Goshi is well known and he cannot score as much as he wants to. So I an sure un Paris he will have a new weapon. He is a clever fighter. So I would not say that these are false attacks. He is always full in, but the attacks are not (yet) effetive. If they were timed better they could be successful. I look forward to the next tournament with him.
I think most of hashimotos attempts look fast and powerful, he is not just dropping on his knees for seoi or on his back for sutemi which would be false attack. I see a lot of kuzushi and a fast explosive powerful entry for most.
You can still get penalized for passivity as an uke, if you just counter attack, but I'm assuming referees would go beyond the ruleset and look at the qualities of the tori's attacks to make that call, if the counters are solid.
When competitors are at very similar skill levels, the rules create problems and the players have to play games, they are forced to. I agree this kinds of matches are not fun to watch, and not fun for the players. Judo over the years, starting in the 80s, has had rule modifications that cause the players, especially at these level to become gamers of the rules. It started way back with the intro of Yukos, Kokas, then got as silly as pushing the opponent onto the safety zone and holding them there to score, etc. A few years ago the rules were changed to go back to Wzari and Ipon, which in my opinion was a good change, but little things like passivity, which naturally occurs when of equal or similar skill face off, so the do half-ass attempts to avoid the penalty. So the false attack rule gets created, and so here we are. Not sure what the perfect solution will be, if there even is one.
you need to look at what the opponent is doing also. Hashimoto might not get in the strongest attack but he is the most positive judoka in these fights. The opponent looks frustrated and always on the back foot, never having a strong grip.
I think to be considered a real attack, a major part of the rules are you have to cause your opponent’s feet to move. And unfortunately most of these false attacks by Hashinoto cause this and it counts no matter how small the movement is
If the opponent has to defend (block, dodge), how can you call it a false attack.. ? I don’t agree when you say that defending with hips and knees leads to a false seoi attack.
My thinking comes from my own experience. In the dojo when I’m training my with younger players I’ll just not use my hands and defend with my legs and hips. It’s demoralizing to have it done to you, and so I would consider it a false attack
Thanks for your answer it’s great to exchange ideas ! I think I understand your point of view. If the opponent is only able to block with his hips and legs, then it means that the technique is not good enough and therefore it's a false attack. For my part, I still think that if the opponent has to defend, even if only with the hips, then the technique remains valid. If shidos are given in such cases, then this could limit the initiative of the fighters for fear of receiving a shido if the opponent manages to block. By the way, keep up the good work, your analyses are top-notch.
For me the problem isn't Hashimoto but rule set! Main problem is the shido for passivity - because there is no good defintion for it. (I know this is controversial) Therefore many Judoka try frame the opponent passive. But in judoka it should and was totally okay focus on counter attacks (but that's very risky). If remove shido for passivity a fight should end after 4 or 5 min and a decision should be made. Even both should lose if this not possible (so again very risky to be too passive). Only exceprion for golden score: both already have scored. With this many, many fights would end fast or after regular time.
The definition for passivity is: Not attacking for a duration of (I think) 40 seconds. This rule isn’t followed to 100% an active judoka who doesn’t put in any attacks for 40 seconds will receive a penalty for passivity.
@@jonae476 yes, but that's exactly what meant. What's a proper attack? What's a false attack? If I attack my opponent for a certain amount of time (low risk attacks, without any chance of scoring) then my opponent will get shido. I just need to 'sell' my effort to the referee.... Exactly what Hashimoto is doing. But that's not what we want to see!
@@ippontube This isn’t the exact definition of an attack, there is one but I don’t remember it in my head. But it comes down to this, an attack is a technique which force uke off balance or force a reaction. If you fail to do this within 40 seconds you get a shido for passivity. A false attack on the other hand is either a drop (not a technique) or a technique which doesn’t off-balance uke nor force a reaction. If you watch Hashimoto’s matches you will see that there is always a step or a quick grip break when he does a technique, this is a reaction and thus not a false attack. The one shido he did get for false attacks was the one time where uke didnt take a step to react.
I think what u don't want to underestimate is, that hashimoto isnt the guy who spams his false attacs. There are a lot judoka who does this but for me hashimoto isnt one of them.. Ahadov easily could attac but he doesnt. And why he doesnt? In my opinion because he has respect. And a lot of other judokas are the same fighting against hashimoto. U get the point?
if someone is dropping down to their knees constantly, how can you attack with a stand up technique? lol, hashimoto clearly did MANY false attacks in his match against de uzbek
I think the rules that you are suggesting are not going to get implemented, the only reason why Yuko and stuff like that was just cut down to Wazari, Ippon is so judo is much more spectator friendly, rules that are going to be implemented are going to be simple that a viewer with no experience can understand
It looked like the referee in the match with Ahodov had a blind spot with respect to false attacks using ippon seoinage. I think I counted EIGHT ippon seoi attempts that could have been penalized as false attacks. I've seen better attacks from 8-year olds! Hashimoto is clearly benefiting from rules gamesmanship, but he's also getting the benefit of non-calls.
in the second fight the two shidos of the Uzbek are not deserved. it's Hashimoto who should have taken shidos for his many false attacks. Bad Arbitration.
Hashimoto is very good at winning at judo according to the rules, but in what appears to almost be desperation to compete at the Olympics, is caring less and less about winning in the spirit of judo. If the Paris Olympics are anything like the Tokyo Olympics, his tactic of trying to win by shidos just isn't going to cut it. I don't think a single match was decided by shido at Tokyo. It's infuriating to be a fan of Hashimoto, knowing he's capable of spectacular throws, while watching him try to win while not throwing anyone. It's the least interesting style of judo.
There's a problem with the rules and with enforcing the rules, especially the extremely dumb rules like diving and bear hugging. Incentives for the judokas are missing, refereeing is severely inconsistent and unfair, and dumb rules are slowly killing judo. Maybe that's the intention of the rulers.
« If ypu defend a seoi nage with your knees, its a false attack « saying that is beyond dumb. A false attack is an attack that needs no defending. Educate yourself.
@@JudoHighlights2015 that means nothing. Look at a true seoi specialist like Akimoto, how do you think people defended his morote? According to your line of thought, all drop attacks should be banned.
@@street_bjj people defended his seoi nage with everything they had and were really left standing on two feet. I just think if you drop down with a seoi nage and your partner is standing on two feet you should get a shido for it. Lot of the time people have to sprawl or go to one knee. These are good attacks.
@@JudoHighlights2015 thats just false. a great attack can be blocked with a knee to the back, otherwise you'd fall. a false attack is simply an attack that has no chance to throw.
Behruz won many titled athletes in this chempıonshıp, but unfortunately corrupted judgment didn't let him to wın. At once gave two shido. Shame on you.
Hashimoto was born in '91, so he's going to be 33 in Paris '24, if Japanese had a better judoka at 73 they would have make him qualify. Hashimoto had his best years from 2017 to 2019, when he battled with Ono for a spot in Tokyo 2020. After that he changed slightly style, dominating the grips but attempting less and less attacks. He is beateble thought, I remember his losses with Macias, Stump and a fellow japanese beating him in national championship in '21 or '22. He relied a lot on the one handed sode, but referees and rivals are a lot more careful to that technique and he has tai otoshi and seoi as "backup", but he uses them sparely or for creating a number of attacks or kinza. I think he is the best utilizer of the rules and kumikata, not the best thrower, but he 73 kg is a category with a lot of change from the last Olimpics (Ono, Orujov, Shavdatuashvili) and he is exploiting a void of talent domestically and internationally. I would rate his performance 7 for his cleverness
Same here! And I think the reason that he changed his throwing style is because he hurt his eye after world championships (the year he lost to an chamrin)
In my opinion, it is not a problem with the rules. Instead, it is a problem with the enforcement of said rules. Seriously, your analysis is spot on in this one. Hashimoto should have gotten called for a lot more false attacks!
I believe what the referees are doing here is looking at Hashimoto's game as a whole. They are not looking at any particular rule in isolation. Specifically, I think what's happening is that, besides these false attacks, which I would admit is an objective assessment here, Hashimoto's Judo is very positive: his posture is almost always upright, his grips are always positive, his movement is dynamic, and he enters into techniques, false or not, quite fast. Watching him, I get the sense that his defense is dynamic: his opponents struggle to throw him not because of his strength or grips, but because they don't really keep up with his movements. I think that the referees are valuing that, so much so that several false attacks go unpunished. My opinion, for anyone that cares, is that they are correct. I believe Hashimoto was the better judoka during that second round, which in the absence of a throw, should determine the winner.
I think you make quite a good point here.
Just watch his posture. He is always closer to throwing his opponents then they are to throwing him. He is rarely stopping them from attacking, and he is attacking. I have more of a problem watching Abe against Muruyama than I do watching Hashimoto vs. XXXXX if we're getting into the dumb application of shidos.
This is me speaking as a ref. Recently (either this year or last year) there was a clarification of the “false attack” rule. The change was that any attack which receives a reaction will not be considered a “false attack”. This include among other things a step, a quick change of the grips, a counter etc. If you watch Hashimotos “false attacks” you will almost always spot a reaction. I am not saying the rules are right or not, but the referees aren’t wrong for not giving Hashimoto false attack shidos.
To add onto this, in the match against the Uzbek he received 1 snide for false attack. This was the one attack where uke didn’t move his feat to react.
Yeah I understand the new rule, but I think it’s too lenient. Also, it penalizes the other judoka who is not quick enough to attack. Judo shouldn’t be about who attacks first wins.
@@JudoHighlights2015 I fully agree with you. I don’t particularly like this rule either. I at least think that Ne-Waza should count as a positive action, thus removing dropping as a tool for anything other than throwing. With all this said, the current rules are unfortunately the way they are, and it seems like hashimoto very early on realized the utility of this rule change.
Hashidomoto plays the rules well. He can throw, but many times it's not necessary and he wins. It's not easy to do that, but the rules really shouldn't allow these kinds off wins.
I have never liked Hashimoto's style. I think he has adapted that style to survive and thrive in the grueling and competitive world of Judo in Japan--he is not the strongest, nor the most skillful judoka in Japan's stable. Your video proves it. Thank you for putting this together.
Hashimoto has a game plan and execute it fine. Definitely he plays with the rules and I think many of his attacks are within the margin of false attack. At least he puts some effort in his attacks. Sometimes due to strong grips from his opponents he can't rotate his body or drop on his knees and look like false attacks. These judokas are super strong and very equal and is very difficult to execute their techniques. I think he works hard and has evolved both sides and his ground game too.
Love the video. Definitely unique content.
Hashimoto doesn't seem like the judoka from years before. He is definitely beatable now, before he was aggressive with powerful throws and ippons with only a couple losses. Now I don't know if he'll take Paris.
Great commentary!
I think Hashimoto is trying out new stuff. His Sode-Tsurikomi-Goshi is well known and he cannot score as much as he wants to. So I an sure un Paris he will have a new weapon. He is a clever fighter.
So I would not say that these are false attacks. He is always full in, but the attacks are not (yet) effetive. If they were timed better they could be successful. I look forward to the next tournament with him.
Like what you’re saying, positives should be focused on for sure! How about adding up the scores rather than the negatives/penalties??
I think most of hashimotos attempts look fast and powerful, he is not just dropping on his knees for seoi or on his back for sutemi which would be false attack. I see a lot of kuzushi and a fast explosive powerful entry for most.
Agree with you, the rules about the Shido have to change..
You can still get penalized for passivity as an uke, if you just counter attack, but I'm assuming referees would go beyond the ruleset and look at the qualities of the tori's attacks to make that call, if the counters are solid.
When competitors are at very similar skill levels, the rules create problems and the players have to play games, they are forced to. I agree this kinds of matches are not fun to watch, and not fun for the players. Judo over the years, starting in the 80s, has had rule modifications that cause the players, especially at these level to become gamers of the rules. It started way back with the intro of Yukos, Kokas, then got as silly as pushing the opponent onto the safety zone and holding them there to score, etc. A few years ago the rules were changed to go back to Wzari and Ipon, which in my opinion was a good change, but little things like passivity, which naturally occurs when of equal or similar skill face off, so the do half-ass attempts to avoid the penalty. So the false attack rule gets created, and so here we are. Not sure what the perfect solution will be, if there even is one.
you need to look at what the opponent is doing also. Hashimoto might not get in the strongest attack but he is the most positive judoka in these fights. The opponent looks frustrated and always on the back foot, never having a strong grip.
Out of curiosity how many videos have been demonetized by the IJF?
I think to be considered a real attack, a major part of the rules are you have to cause your opponent’s feet to move. And unfortunately most of these false attacks by Hashinoto cause this and it counts no matter how small the movement is
A false attack is not the same thing as a failed attack.
If the opponent has to defend (block, dodge), how can you call it a false attack.. ? I don’t agree when you say that defending with hips and knees leads to a false seoi attack.
My thinking comes from my own experience. In the dojo when I’m training my with younger players I’ll just not use my hands and defend with my legs and hips. It’s demoralizing to have it done to you, and so I would consider it a false attack
Thanks for your answer it’s great to exchange ideas !
I think I understand your point of view. If the opponent is only able to block with his hips and legs, then it means that the technique is not good enough and therefore it's a false attack.
For my part, I still think that if the opponent has to defend, even if only with the hips, then the technique remains valid. If shidos are given in such cases, then this could limit the initiative of the fighters for fear of receiving a shido if the opponent manages to block.
By the way, keep up the good work, your analyses are top-notch.
The second round was the most unfair judgement Ive ever seen😶
For me the problem isn't Hashimoto but rule set!
Main problem is the shido for passivity - because there is no good defintion for it.
(I know this is controversial)
Therefore many Judoka try frame the opponent passive. But in judoka it should and was totally okay focus on counter attacks (but that's very risky).
If remove shido for passivity a fight should end after 4 or 5 min and a decision should be made. Even both should lose if this not possible (so again very risky to be too passive). Only exceprion for golden score: both already have scored.
With this many, many fights would end fast or after regular time.
The definition for passivity is: Not attacking for a duration of (I think) 40 seconds. This rule isn’t followed to 100% an active judoka who doesn’t put in any attacks for 40 seconds will receive a penalty for passivity.
@@jonae476 yes, but that's exactly what meant. What's a proper attack? What's a false attack? If I attack my opponent for a certain amount of time (low risk attacks, without any chance of scoring) then my opponent will get shido. I just need to 'sell' my effort to the referee.... Exactly what Hashimoto is doing. But that's not what we want to see!
@@ippontube This isn’t the exact definition of an attack, there is one but I don’t remember it in my head. But it comes down to this, an attack is a technique which force uke off balance or force a reaction. If you fail to do this within 40 seconds you get a shido for passivity. A false attack on the other hand is either a drop (not a technique) or a technique which doesn’t off-balance uke nor force a reaction. If you watch Hashimoto’s matches you will see that there is always a step or a quick grip break when he does a technique, this is a reaction and thus not a false attack. The one shido he did get for false attacks was the one time where uke didnt take a step to react.
Do you what is going on with Scotland and ono?
I think what u don't want to underestimate is, that hashimoto isnt the guy who spams his false attacs. There are a lot judoka who does this but for me hashimoto isnt one of them.. Ahadov easily could attac but he doesnt. And why he doesnt? In my opinion because he has respect. And a lot of other judokas are the same fighting against hashimoto. U get the point?
if someone is dropping down to their knees constantly, how can you attack with a stand up technique? lol, hashimoto clearly did MANY false attacks in his match against de uzbek
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I think the rules that you are suggesting are not going to get implemented, the only reason why Yuko and stuff like that was just cut down to Wazari, Ippon is so judo is much more spectator friendly, rules that are going to be implemented are going to be simple that a viewer with no experience can understand
It looked like the referee in the match with Ahodov had a blind spot with respect to false attacks using ippon seoinage. I think I counted EIGHT ippon seoi attempts that could have been penalized as false attacks. I've seen better attacks from 8-year olds! Hashimoto is clearly benefiting from rules gamesmanship, but he's also getting the benefit of non-calls.
in the second fight the two shidos of the Uzbek are not deserved. it's Hashimoto who should have taken shidos for his many false attacks. Bad Arbitration.
When I watch competition and there is a Japanese I will always prefer to watch this tatami but hashimoto fight is so boring
Hashimoto is very good at winning at judo according to the rules, but in what appears to almost be desperation to compete at the Olympics, is caring less and less about winning in the spirit of judo.
If the Paris Olympics are anything like the Tokyo Olympics, his tactic of trying to win by shidos just isn't going to cut it. I don't think a single match was decided by shido at Tokyo.
It's infuriating to be a fan of Hashimoto, knowing he's capable of spectacular throws, while watching him try to win while not throwing anyone. It's the least interesting style of judo.
He's boring to watch, and I really don't like his attitude on the mat. This self refereeing that he does all the time is unbearable.
There's a problem with the rules and with enforcing the rules, especially the extremely dumb rules like diving and bear hugging. Incentives for the judokas are missing, refereeing is severely inconsistent and unfair, and dumb rules are slowly killing judo. Maybe that's the intention of the rulers.
« If ypu defend a seoi nage with your knees, its a false attack « saying that is beyond dumb. A false attack is an attack that needs no defending. Educate yourself.
If you defend a throw that well and break the flow of the game I think you should be penalized for it. So stand back up or stop doing it.
@@JudoHighlights2015 that means nothing. Look at a true seoi specialist like Akimoto, how do you think people defended his morote? According to your line of thought, all drop attacks should be banned.
@@street_bjj people defended his seoi nage with everything they had and were really left standing on two feet. I just think if you drop down with a seoi nage and your partner is standing on two feet you should get a shido for it. Lot of the time people have to sprawl or go to one knee. These are good attacks.
@@JudoHighlights2015 thats just false. a great attack can be blocked with a knee to the back, otherwise you'd fall. a false attack is simply an attack that has no chance to throw.
Dude, we're all entitled to our opinions. I just think the false attack rule should be adjusted a little. That's all.@@street_bjj
Это нечестно давал золоту хошимоту .. бехруз чемпион...
He's relying too much on that One hand sode. Whenever, I watched him compete it's either he wins by shido or a score so it becomes boring to watch.
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3/10 haShidomoto
Behruz won many titled athletes in this chempıonshıp, but unfortunately corrupted judgment didn't let him to wın. At once gave two shido. Shame on you.
Yep, that was bad.