Homey Pro is how Home Automation SHOULD be! Well, mostly...
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- The Homey Pro smart home hub has incredible options for home automation, BUT there are also some limitations to know about!
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0:00 Intro
0:20 Hardware
1:43 App
2:42 Automations
4:42 Connecting devices
5:56 Homey Pro apps
6:31 Should you get it?
7:12 Yikes!
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Are you switching to the Homey Pro smart home hub, or keeping what you already have? 🤔
Hi reed!! (Again)
I have a question, what is better Alexa or google assistant?
@@T8DAGR8EST Each has their own benefits. If you are just using one platform to run your smart home, I would go with Google Assistant because of their new script editor. If you are going to use a hub like Home Assistant and want to integrate, then Alexa might be a little better.
Thank you for the advice, I’m going to go with Alexa as I use home assistant. 😊
No I think I’ll keep my eye on a hubitat.
No I´ll keep my homeassistant
Nah, after wink I vowed to never get locked into one vendor as a hub. I'll stick with home assistant and open source for as long as possible.
Mine was smarthings. Never again.
You can use it together with home assistant if you want, i use homey for the advanced flows and hass for the dashboard and some other stuff.
Same here. I have hubitat. No subscription. No offsite cloud dependency.
@@SiegersNL what flows and rules can homey do that home assistant can't? Not many things I've run into that can't be done with home assistant natively.
Wink 😂
I've recommended this one to a friend of mine over 2 years ago and he absolutly loves it, he isn't as tech savy so something likes HAS isn't something for him, the price sounds steep but with all the antenna's and software onboard it isn't thatt bad
I was looking forward to your coverage on this. I was thinking about adding this.
loved the review, mate!
I was on Homey (not the pro version, which was only recently released) up until a couple of years back and used to love it. Now on Home Assistant, which is a beast in terms of features, compatibility, community support, etc. but as any home assistant owner knows, it's a great path to 1) family divorce and 2) bad sleep habits - I challenge any HA user they've never been up till late to fix issues such as broken devices, flows, etc. or even figure out how implement and perfect a new automation!
With Homey, I could easily do basic automations from the phone from anywhere and they just worked! (and for the advanced stuff....yeah, of course you need to be on a proper keyboard and screen!)
you nearly got me to get back into Homey world until....welll, the integrationd doesn't actually work! ooops! I don't discard one day going back and compromising the power of home assistant in favour of the Homey Pro simplity, yet decent amount of power!
Wow, this video is a comprehensive guide to the Homey Pro smart home hub! I appreciate the detailed breakdown of hardware, apps, automations, and device compatibility. It's great to have all this information in one place. I'm considering getting the Homey Pro, and this video has been really helpful in making an informed decision. Thanks for sharing your insights and experiences! 👍
Great review. We’ve moved most our home over including over 45 zwave devices. A few of our devices are not yet supported but surprised at how many are. So now we are shaking it out.
Reed, love the skit at the end, so glad to see you all contributing!
Finally, an objective review with all the minuses and advantages. Congratulations!
You're THE BEST! Keep it going!!! ❤
I have been waiting for homey to come to the states for years. Thanks for the video.
Use the homey pro for a couple of months allready it works flawless for al my automations and i also use it as my house alarm
Got my Pro a few weeks now and I love it
From an awesome Dutch 🇳🇱 company 👍
As does Home Assistant ;)🇳🇱
G E H O M I F I C E E R D
Thanks, Reed. That is a steep price point but it does seem to be cutting edge in user-friendliness, so I'll definitely be taking a closer look.
I love the look and feature set BUT that price kills it for me at the moment. Looking forward to future videos on this to see how much I can get out of it first.
I have the 2019 model. Controls central heating, IR heating, air filter, ventilation (windows) lights, home theater, energy, etc. Pretty complex flows made, all works perfectly. Even if a sensor doesn't work, you can just program a plan b.
Just bought mine a month ago because someone mentioned it in a reddit post I was reading. I LOOOOOVE it and while there's a couple things it doesn't support, once it does, I can pretty much ditch Homebridge!!
Do you think this one compares to the new HOOBS Pro? I almost went for that one until I saw it was still in pre-order.
I have one. It's my first automation hub and I'm happy with it. Very easy to use, Advanced Flows are great. I do have some issues with WiFi reliability but they're working on that and ethernet seems to work fine for others.
Indeed ethernet adapter works flawless at my place
This hub seems great!!
Great review, just what people need to know/understand from this type of device ! Thanks !
Nice video Reid. Sticking with Smartthings for now!
As a former Homey user, in Europe, your experience resonates(it's not just US)... things don't connect well, tend to be unstable, and depend HEAVILY on 3rd party developers (which you didnt really mention)
I moved to home assistant and haven't looked back
I mentioned the community apps. That’s too bad about the connection issues though. Yeah HA is still the best if you can handle it.
@@SmartHomeSolvercommunity app are very important and usually poorly maintained. At every software upgrade it took months for everything to work again, if it would. As community apps are mostly not open source, no forks could be made when the developer quits. Even the Homey apps were sometimes poorly maintained. In the I only used it to automate some 433Hz screens. In the new home, I moved to HA and found it to be much faster, powerful and reliable.
@smarthomesolver How are you using this in your environment? I am running home assistant for my automations but i have devices sent out to homekit through home assistants homekit bridge so i can use siri to control stuff, if need be, same with amazon but all automations are done in home assistant. This looks cool and i like the flows as i can't seem to figure out node red but i was curious how you plan to use it with your setup.
I use Hubitat Elevation C7 and have been looking to go to the C8 and now I am looking at Homey. What would be the best hub if you have many Aqara devices? What is the best way to keep them connected? I have gotten some tradfri outlets but when I look at my Zigbee map, 2 of the three outlets have nothing connected to them.
Hey reed, you should review Switchbot’s new robot vacuum. I guess it changes out water for the mop part of it by itself by connecting to a water line in your house to the base station. Maybe worth checking out?
Thanks Reed.
Of course you love it......they gave it to you to play with. At that price point Home Assistant is FAR better.......
I've had this several years and love. Now using the latest Homey Pro 2023, and it is awesome and can't really be compared to the older models...
You mentioned there are no substitutions... Thats wrong! You need one very important subscription: The automatic daily backup!! Thats important, when you have built a lot of great flows and your personal settings, it must be backed up 😉
Afaik you don’t have to subscribe to the daily backup - you can backup homey locally as well if you want to ^^
(Specifically only the 2023 Pro can do this I think - older models do need the subscription)
@@rampwuff You can back up locally by connecting the HP to a computer each time. That's not a great solution for most people. The backup subscription is thankfully really cheap.
@@rampwuff If you do it that way, it's too much work, and you will forget 😉
Automatic backup is easy, daily and cheap 😀
Thanks for another great video. Will it detect and control say wifi switches from some unknow company or only with what they have integrated with? And what did you mean by saying it has no search?
Too bad it doesn't, Homey needs an App (installed on the Homey Pro) for every brand and every device needs to be supported in that brands app. That and the fact that most Apps are developed by community members is the real downside of the Homey.
Haha your child stealing the hub was a nice sketch :)
Looks interesting but expensive! I’d like to use HA but would like a specific Raspberry Pi recommendation for a medium sized system. I don’t see one in your shopping lists. Would you mind taking a few minutes to recommend exactly what I need? I’d appreciate it greatly!
I've been looking at the Homey Pro for when I start my smart house conversion.
Please tell me you're making a series of flows and automations, as well as recommended accessories for the Homey Pro.
Those could be great video ideas, especially for the second channel. I’ll keep that in mind, thanks!
@@SmartHomeSolver Can't wait to see what you come up with 😁
Interesting product.
Having Homey do the Flows/Automations would be great. But for day to day use I would want to (forgive me YT) use the Apple Home app
Wowwwwwww that's niceeeee
Looks pretty easy to use.
It is😊
Should try out that final flow in a youtube short lol
This looks like a user friendly device with an intuitive interface. One concern is the fact it took you 5-6 times to pair a Zigbee device, that makes me believe that those devices will drop off the zigbee network after sometime, I would suggest it would be due to wifi interfence. Great device though to get yourself in the door with all things IoT.
I have almost 250 zigbee devices connected to homey pro 2023 and no problems whatsoever.
It has more to do with Aqara than Homey zigbee in general . And sometimes the firmware level of the zigbee device.
Pairing varies by brand of sensor and the app. For example, Fibaro works without any problems.
Question: I own a few Tuya/Smart Life devices, but would like to expand my home automation. I found so-called Multi Mode Hubs, which appear to be able to connect with non-ZigBee devices (like the Tuya devices I already own) and ZigBee devices. Looks like the best option for me to keep using old devices and add new ZigBee-compatible devices. Am I correct with my assumption? Anything important to know about those multi-mode hubs? Thanks :-)
If I buy honey pro would I still need Phillips and aqua hubs
Could you make a home assistant to homey, or more homey to home assistant tutorial? I've used homey for years and are now adding home assistant so would be nice if I can get things from homey in home assistant
Been on HA for years, and I might consider this. Leaving ST and HE for HA made me happy for a while, but the lack of user friendliness and how finicky HA can be might have me switching soon. I have a constant fear of updating an app or OS and completely borking my setup. Heck, sometimes HA hangs on me just because it wants to, and when it does, can take all of my Zwave devices with it.
If you’re running it off a Rasp Pi then that’s your issue. It’s better to run it on an SSD x86 system with lots of RAM. You can get old NUCs for half the price of the Homey that will run circles around this hockey puck. I mean $400 for 2gb ram?
@@AtracBreezy I'm running it off an unused laptop for which the specs are overkill. It's not hardware and performance that's a buzzkill for me. It's a platform that is not at all intuitive for most people and can take a crap on you any day if you even blink at it the wrong way.
I had Homey for a while, but I moved away from it to Home Assistant.
My main issues were:
No dashboard support, well you could use a third party one, but you can't customize it.
Limited device support. The developer support isn't as good as, for example, Home Assistant.
Finding devices in the app is horrible.
You can't use the app during an internet outage, flows will continue to run though.
Most of this is solved in the last weeks/months, there is an unofficial dashboard that works great and is getting better by the day, the app always worked locally if there is an internet outage (for years already), if a device isn’t supported yet (and isn’t a really a strange unknown thing) there is mostly an integration for it (zigbee and zwave devices are all supported with the standard functions, on/off, dimming, etc). But there is no search function for devices in the app indeed and i miss it also.
What hardware you're using right now for home assitant?
That flow pun is underrated lol.
Yea, heard about it it for a while now (since February, I think. But they kept delaying it, until you featured it, that is) I wished it's priced a little lower, like 299 or even less, that would be nice.
Yes I’ve heard about it for a few years now in the UK! And I agree about the price.
I may have missed this, but my main concern would be how it works without internet. It is DOA for me if internet is required for it to function (after setup).
Also, it being new to the states is not an excuse for any of the pairing and discovery issues as those aren't different in europe.
Homey Pro is designed to run locally. This is one of its main advantages. People talking about Wink are missing that key difference as there is no obligatory cloud component here.
@@GregEva You only need internet access to be able to use the Homey control panel (by pc or your smartphone)
Can Homey Pro forward Unifi camera videos to HomeKit or I’ll still need a Homebridge or Hass for that?
Excited for the review of the Homey Pro! Bummed to see that it's far from future proof, at $400, with 1.8ghz cpu/2gb memory. 😐
I have all i can think of in my home running via homey and the cpu is on like a few percent, the 2gb ram is a bit sparse indeed but had no problems with it filling up either. And if you want it is really easy to upgrade the cm4 module of it.
I am using the previous Homey Pro since 2018, still expanding and going strong. Everything is still fast and snappy and supported by Athom (Homey) So the new one is future proof...
How does Homey Pro compare to Home Assistant as far as the power of the automations and reliability?
You can add ZWave to the Home Assistant Yellow, as well as WiFi and the like, but yeah, the default box doesn't come with it. I am more interested in how the automations work though, and how easy they are to set up.
Home Assistant is still more powerful and will most likely be more reliable. The interface for automations in Homey is just more user friendly. If you can handle Home Assistant then you will be better off in the long run being such a widely used open source platform.
@@SmartHomeSolver I think you've nailed it with " If you can handle Home Assistant then you will be better off in the long run being such a widely used open source platform. " I am a Homey Pro user since 2018 and it works perfectly for my needs. If you are an experienced Home Assistent user you should not look at the Homey Pro as an alternative. But as long as my Homey is still being supported I will not switch, and if I had to switch I would probably get the new pro because it of the simplicity.
I already have it!
Hello, do you know if Wifi Thermostats BeOK are compatible with Homey Pro?
hello, with homey can I connect aqara products without a hub?
0:19 - I reckon I can do that rubik’s cube no problem.
the interface is cool...but i wouldnt buy that even at half the price ! Thanks for the review ! Sick Hub!
Can I trigger homey flows from Google voice commands? Hey google, it's showtime! (Runs homey flow to put everything into home theater mode). Is that possible?
It will not pair with WEMO or Meross devices and I have a lot of them! The apps on Homey Pro only show EU outlets? What did I miss? Is there a version for USA?
Is this able to replace a home assistant hub?
Home automation is really nice and convenient but if and when it goes down you are done. I live in an apartment so my only automations are my Hue lights and microwave connected to Alexa. When Alexa acts up it is more than enough of a hassle to get things back online and running again. I can just imagine how much of a nightmare it would be to get a whole house back online and functioning again.
I think you're on the wrong channel then mate 😂
On security…… where is user data stored and does the company have access to user data?
I like this but I’d say that Hubitat might be the strongest choice for someone who wants the power of home assistant without the hassle of dealing with the pi.
I say this because the Hubitat forums are filled with support whereas Homey might take some time to get there.
Hubitat is a good choice for those who used SmartThings and want to keep using WebCORE and have everything run local. Homey is more user friendly than Hubitat.
I have Google home devices with Google assistant, which is less useful than a pile of bricks.
Question is, using the homey pro with Google assistant... Will it improve commands like turning on lights or music to certain devices? At the moment i ask Google to play music and it adds a banana to my shipping list 😅
That’s the funniest comment I’ve seen on UA-cam for a long time. I laughed out loud.
Can it speak natively to echo without virtual switches ?
I think that all makers SHOULD conclude an agreement to have standardized protocols, in order to avoid having to buy, for example, a new control unit for each and every hardware device added to an automation system. I don't which to live the same nightmare we had in the 80s and 90s ; having a bunch of remote controls that have the same commands, but different codes. The result? Tens of millions of RC still working, that goes to garbage for incompatibility reasons.
If I get this hub, will I still need a Lutron and Hue hub?
Nope
Not necessarily, though many people choose to keep using Hue hub and command it through Homey. The benefit is that you'll have a backup in case of problems with Homey plus you can use several Hue hub specific features like scenes.
Is that's what happened to stringify?
What about the bluetooth antenna
How many devices can it have via wifi? Doesn't seem like it could handle a whole house of smart lights.
Your wifi is the limiting factor not homey.
Wifi itself has limits that you'll reach before the Homey Pro.
Can I disable the WFi?
Why doesn't it have LoRa?
Why LoRa? The WiFi is meant to connect your app to the device and the device to the internet on cave you don't have ethernet at that location. If you use the optional ethernet adapter then WiFi can be disabled.
Why don't you compare new products to Hubitat anymore? 😞
Home Assistant takes way too much work and maintenance. It was taking over too much of my lfie.
It seems like a great product. Unfortunately Homey doesn't support 433MHz in the US yet and they don't know when they will be granted a license. I would love to use it to control my Somfy RTS roller shades.
433mhz in USA is used for some Garage / Gate Remotes / Operators.
@@gomalibusurf6098 sorry, I meant *Homey* doesn't have 433MHz yet. I updated my original comment for clarity.
OMFG!!!! $599 here in Canada 😞
For 400 USD i'll KEEP what i have think you very much no way no how will i EVER go back to a proprietary hub and definitely not at that price.
You say it controls locally, if the internet goes down, but I don't trust any of these hubs unless they show it actually being done!!!
Besides, another YTer says it doesn't work if the Internet goes down...
$399. For a smart hub!! I guess thats somwhere in-between smart things and control 4. But really limits your customer base.
I'm surprised about the many price complaints. To me 400 isn't that expensive if it saves me a bunch of time compared to building a Home Assistant setup. I mean, we've all spent much more on sensors, devices, smart lights and speakers anyway. I know I have.
i love it but the hardware could be better
I feel like saying "Home Assistant Yellow Doesn't even have Zwave" is a little disingenuous. Yes, directly out of the box, that specific piece of hardware doesn't but, it's not like HA doesn't support Zwave at all. Zwave support in HA is rather robust, as you know.
And if you're comparing features; I'd rather take an internal adapter for Zwave like the Z-pi 7 than having to use a dongle just for ethernet.
I’m talking purely what it has out of the box. I have a Zwave stick connected to Home Assistant and it works great.
Some people just want to buy a hub with all the antennas included.
600 CAD!!! No way!
It seems really diluted to me. I guess I have... Homey apathy.
I'll see myself out.
I switched. Went from Home Assistant to Homey Pro. I still have Home Assistant on my home network, but it is mainly used to help get devices that aren't in Homey Pro apps, over to Homey Pro. I struggled with getting automations to work in Home Assistant the way I wanted them too, and decided to give Homey Pro a try with flows. It has been great and love it! I didn't know about it until saw this video. All of my flows just work, it's nice. I like tweaking them, vs Home Assistant, where I really didn't like trying to tweak Home Assistant. I'm always looking to try some new fun flows in Homey Pro. I have my theme music playing (Imperial March, of course) for me, and if not home, "Let The Bodies Hit The Floor" when my room goes active. I just make sure that before I purchase something new, it is part of the Homey Pro network, and so far, most of what I've wanted to get, is. Think Nanoleaf Essentials is about only device I have that isn't part of the system, for things like playing scenes. Nanoleaf Shapes have scenes, so that works.
I have run both Homey Pro (the ball) and Home Assistant. Both have its pros and cons, so it’s impossible to just have one.
The good with homey:
Works better with Aqara devices than HA
Connects to a lot of things
Easier to use
The bad with Homey:
No dashboards
No template sensors (that I know of, please correct me with a solution)
Price
No good energy dashboard. The one that exists hasn’t been updated since 2021 and isn’t very good.
Please teach me how to make a smart home
Far too expensive, at around half price I would consider it but not for this.
If you think it is too expensive, you can try to look for the Homey Bridge. I don't know if it's on the US market, but if so, the price will be less than USD 100. Try to look it up 👍
Tried the app, connected it to my Hue lights. Yawn.. The app is not easy to use, like where are my rooms / groups whatever they are called in Hue? I looked and looked and it was not obvious. The flows initially seemed to make sense but then got confusing. Gave it a chance but no i'll pass.
I think you're talking about the cloud-based Homey app which is different from the local Homey Pro. I have the latter and found it very easy to get started, create rooms and Flows. It's my first automation device but it seemed intuitive enough.
DOA
400.00😂 NOPE
Open source forever and nothing else
and if it wasnt for the stupid brand naming, id might be interested. As it is though, Im not
Hi
$400 for a hub? No thank you.
I'm sorry, I don't care HOW good it is. That name.... Having to tell anyone I had a "Homey" Pro in my house? Not gonna happen.
Weird. Here in The Netherlands, where Homey is from, it's not considered a strange name. Certainly not stranger than Hubitat or Domoticz.
@@Yggdrasil42 Have to agree with you on Hubitat - but haven't heard of Domoticz yet. But at least those don't have other meanings. Guess I'm just too old.. 😛
6:34 😂 I dont care if this hub can transform and cook me dinner at night. For that price they can keep it.
Don’t bay the homeypro before you read forum on the homey can’t add zwave
It can for sure!
What are you talking about. My whole network is z-wave. It works fine.
@@Yggdrasil42 please read forum
@@Yggdrasil42 maybe for you but not for many people
wow this thing is super expensive for a micro pc that is basically all it is. micro pc with multiple radios .
It's also the software and app. You're paying so you have to do less yourself.
@@Yggdrasil42 it's a computer dude. it will fail and require updates and patches and mods and code. nothing is easy in home automation.
i think you really should stop getting money from manufacturer
No one paid me for this video. I tried it because I’ve seen tons of comments asking about it over the years. If you watched the whole thing you’d see I share the good and bad.
Hi Reed. Thank you so much for the reply and the test for audience is really sweet. I really love your content and they are super helpful. I just somehow don't like the shared product and worried about it may hurt your popularity,@@SmartHomeSolver
I love the look and feature set BUT that price kills it for me at the moment. Looking forward to future videos on this to see how much I can get out of it first.