As an XH2S owner, the idea of essentially getting the same but with Canon AF is an automatic jump ship. The only issue here is that XH2S IS Fuji's flagship, and like you say a lot of these specs are reserved for higher models. Perhaps however Canon are hoping that the drop in IQ will be enough to keep those on the FF systems happy, because I will expect a stacked R7II to do pretty bad on IQ in ES mode especially.
I like my R7 all it really needs in my opinion is an Improved buffer larger higher res EVF and a battery grip, other than those items it's a solid camera as it stands now.
R6/r1 all full frame, for many this would be a no brainer, given the most availiable lenses are full frame. I also can easily imagine how this camera might be cripplehammered in something else, i.e ergonomically or in terms of buffer. Actually the last makes sense as r7 hardly going to have cf-express, while 45 frames per sec at 32 mpics would quickly drain it.
honestly even doing racing i rarely outran the buffer, i use lexar uhs2 cards, and i have more success that failure. but with a uhs1 i could see that happening alot.
If they came out with an R7 mark ii it would not come with a stacked sensor. It would probably be released with a battery grip and improved AF. Maybe a newer APC sensor since from what I know about the sensor it is pretty dated.
The only feature that would make me sell my R7 for a Mark II is the stacked sensor. Though, even with all of these supposed upgrades, higher end EOSs have full frame sensors. the gap would still be obvious. and the need for those higher end bodies will remain a necessity for pro use (Humble opinion)
Not holding my breath for an upgrade, but honestly I would pay $1000+ extra if they just fixed the AF and stacked the sensor, I basically don't even use the electronic shutter because of the rolling shutter and not needing over 15fps.
You never know. Looking back on the 7D, that camera had some specs that made sense on full frame cameras. 100% viewfinder where the 5D Mark II didn't, very high frame rate at the time when the 5D Mark II didn't. Look, it's been 15 years... I don't remember everything special the 7D brought to the table, but it was enough when I finally bought my own SLR in 2013 it was a 7D. If R7 is going to be a flagship APS sensor camera, I can easily see it having technology that would be expected in much more expensive full frame cameras.
What about overall IQ w.r.t. its FF counterparts? Wouldn't that, combined with the difference in creative range/DoF, be enough of a difference between the high-end models and a budget APC?
@randomdsfhqe not all of us can afford a 600 f4 mate,wildlife and small birds photography we need apsc for extra reach,and for many of us it is just a hobby with many other things of interest in our lives.
I’m in the market to upgrade my trusty Canon 70d and these R7 ii rumors couldn’t come at a worse time for me 😭 I shoot mainly sports so was looking at the R7 to match the reach I currently have with my 70d. But I’ve also been considering the R6 ii for the better low light (football/baseball), battery grip, and opportunity to get into the FF portraiture world. So now I’m in analysis paralysis mode trying to choose. In an ideal world I’d get both the R6 and R7 and be able to carry both to cover reach and low light but that’s a lot of investment for an amateur like myself 🫤
@@JeffGresham I’m not sure I like the ergonomics of the R8. I’ve got pretty large hands and the body of the R8 looks on the smaller side. Plus the R6 has the faster mechanical shutter that would benefit me with action shots. I worry too much about the electronic shutter in terms of rolling shutter and producing so many images that I’d have to ultimately cull. Ugh, too many things to think about and the feature creep and FOMO is real…
I would just love to see an improvement to low light, in the 2 years ive been kicking the R7 this is probably the only issue ive had or couldn't work around. I would also be interested in seeing how you handle it.
I own two R7's, and I love / hate them:) lol I have taken more than 300K shots with the original one.... Sold my R5 for them, and for my purposes (mostly small birds, where reach is the #1 priority) that was the right choice. But for most other folks, I think the R6 or Mk II would be a better choice. R5 Mk II if you can afford it. All I want is an available grip. And a readout speed fast enough to do away with the mechanical shutter altogether. The mechanical shutter on the R7 is absolutely the worst piece of garbage Canon has ever produced ! It's ridiculous loud, causes all kinds of shutter shock, and it fails SO much, if you think your going to use it moderately for more than a year or two, you had better stop using that MS completely, like I have ! The readout speed for the Electronic shutter is very slow though :( Lots of rolling shutter issues. But Anyway, until Canon makes a better APS-C, I guess I'm stuck with my R7's.
Love mine as well, and yes the readout could use a dramatic improvement, i just dont see Canon doing it. And i full Agree on the MS is sounds sad, and feels wierd.
Please do a comparison video to this video come Feb 2025. You will be a complete legend or have egg on your face. Time will tell and I'll be here for it either way.
@JeffGresham cool. I am very hopeful. I hear what you are saying but I've been in the industry for years and this is my experience when high end tech trickles down into the mid range models making it cheaper for the masses. My fingers are crossed.
I'd be interested in learing about what Canon means by AI focus tracking. In AI apps on ones computer, the processing happens on a server farm somewhere - to do AI generative fill or an AI generated image - this trained data sits somewhere in the cloud. In my mind, there is no way for AI to process from trained data in camera.
Focused AI Tracking is What is currently in the R5 Mk II. it's mainly for sports at the moment, The AI detects the person with the Ball and stays on them, and even predicts the movements the person is making based on the chosen ball. It's pretty crazy.
Well, there was a 7D MK2, right? I own the R7. It has focus problems with zoom lenses at least >=500mm probably due to conflicts with readout speed . Recommendation was not to use the electronic shutter at 30fps but 15fps. I still encounter focus problems though. So all I want is a functioning APS-C camera according to specs. That could be achieved with a stacked sensor. That wouldn't jeopardize other Canon cameras, as people buy the R3 or R1 not for wild life but because they want a professional full frame camera. Maybe the R5 MK2 would be an in-house competitor for birding but still it is a full frame and has a different reach .
A stacked sensor at this point in the game for a camera that is considered a starter camera, just does seem like it's in the cards. But hopefully i'm wrong. i'd love to see a stacked sensor in the R7. I love my R7 and don't think of it at all as a starter camera. Yes there was a 7D Mk2 i mentioned that and the M50 Mk2 in the video.
So if none of these things are happening then there is no mark II. The other question everyone is avoiding is what about the R 10? if the R7 is like a As a casual consumer photographer I find big brother to the R10 then it should get new features as well. Canon is not going to release anything, and we are going to have to wait another several years for the R7 and R10 to get changes. The entire product line up is so confusing I just can't see buying anything. I'll stick with the Sl1 that is 10 years old and use my iPhone 16 Pro for video.
yeah i don't see many of these rumors happening, but if they do, i'll gladly eat my words. until then i'm happy with my R7 the way it is. As for the R10 i have heard great things about the video quality, i thought about grabbing one strictly for video but never pulled the trigger.
I moved to Sony from Canon when the Sony A7RIV came out since Canon had been so slow to get to mirrorless. If the R7II comes out as rumored I’m back.
if the R7 MKII is half as good as it is rumored to be. i'm 1000% in.
As an XH2S owner, the idea of essentially getting the same but with Canon AF is an automatic jump ship. The only issue here is that XH2S IS Fuji's flagship, and like you say a lot of these specs are reserved for higher models. Perhaps however Canon are hoping that the drop in IQ will be enough to keep those on the FF systems happy, because I will expect a stacked R7II to do pretty bad on IQ in ES mode especially.
I like my R7 all it really needs in my opinion is an Improved buffer larger higher res EVF and a battery grip, other than those items it's a solid camera as it stands now.
@@jhenry248 shoot in craw iyou can take more shots before filling the buffer
@JeffGresham I'm aware of craw, it still needs improvement on the buffer especially when using preshoot.
R6/r1 all full frame, for many this would be a no brainer, given the most availiable lenses are full frame. I also can easily imagine how this camera might be cripplehammered in something else, i.e ergonomically or in terms of buffer. Actually the last makes sense as r7 hardly going to have cf-express, while 45 frames per sec at 32 mpics would quickly drain it.
honestly even doing racing i rarely outran the buffer, i use lexar uhs2 cards, and i have more success that failure. but with a uhs1 i could see that happening alot.
If they came out with an R7 mark ii it would not come with a stacked sensor. It would probably be released with a battery grip and improved AF. Maybe a newer APC sensor since from what I know about the sensor it is pretty dated.
The only feature that would make me sell my R7 for a Mark II is the stacked sensor.
Though, even with all of these supposed upgrades, higher end EOSs have full frame sensors. the gap would still be obvious. and the need for those higher end bodies will remain a necessity for pro use (Humble opinion)
I agree
Stacked sensors compromise IQ. Not as big of a deal on ff, but on apsc, prob better to just not stack. High speeds usually also mean less light.
true
Yes a battery grip would be great
@@waynedettman6472 1000%
Not holding my breath for an upgrade, but honestly I would pay $1000+ extra if they just fixed the AF and stacked the sensor, I basically don't even use the electronic shutter because of the rolling shutter and not needing over 15fps.
@@syllycatface it would be nice
You never know. Looking back on the 7D, that camera had some specs that made sense on full frame cameras. 100% viewfinder where the 5D Mark II didn't, very high frame rate at the time when the 5D Mark II didn't. Look, it's been 15 years... I don't remember everything special the 7D brought to the table, but it was enough when I finally bought my own SLR in 2013 it was a 7D. If R7 is going to be a flagship APS sensor camera, I can easily see it having technology that would be expected in much more expensive full frame cameras.
@@abelincoln78 dont get me wrong i hope it happens, i just dont think it will. Especially the stacked sensor.
What about overall IQ w.r.t. its FF counterparts? Wouldn't that, combined with the difference in creative range/DoF, be enough of a difference between the high-end models and a budget APC?
not really
@randomdsfhqe not all of us can afford a 600 f4 mate,wildlife and small birds photography we need apsc for extra reach,and for many of us it is just a hobby with many other things of interest in our lives.
@waynedettman6472 true
@@waynedettman6472 That's exactly why I hope there _is_ a reason for Canon to build the mk2. ;)
I’m in the market to upgrade my trusty Canon 70d and these R7 ii rumors couldn’t come at a worse time for me 😭 I shoot mainly sports so was looking at the R7 to match the reach I currently have with my 70d. But I’ve also been considering the R6 ii for the better low light (football/baseball), battery grip, and opportunity to get into the FF portraiture world. So now I’m in analysis paralysis mode trying to choose. In an ideal world I’d get both the R6 and R7 and be able to carry both to cover reach and low light but that’s a lot of investment for an amateur like myself 🫤
@@Sundedo522 you could also go with the R8 and R7. But i 100% recommemd the r7 regardless. I love mone and have zeeo regrets.
@@JeffGresham I’m not sure I like the ergonomics of the R8. I’ve got pretty large hands and the body of the R8 looks on the smaller side. Plus the R6 has the faster mechanical shutter that would benefit me with action shots. I worry too much about the electronic shutter in terms of rolling shutter and producing so many images that I’d have to ultimately cull.
Ugh, too many things to think about and the feature creep and FOMO is real…
@@Sundedo522 absolutely.
The Rebel line went to like mark 8 or something.
some of them
I would just love to see an improvement to low light, in the 2 years ive been kicking the R7 this is probably the only issue ive had or couldn't work around. I would also be interested in seeing how you handle it.
@@mykre3584 actually i may make a video tackling the low.light. ive been able to get some good low.light shots
You might just need a faster lens
I own two R7's, and I love / hate them:) lol I have taken more than 300K shots with the original one.... Sold my R5 for them, and for my purposes (mostly small birds, where reach is the #1 priority) that was the right choice. But for most other folks, I think the R6 or Mk II would be a better choice. R5 Mk II if you can afford it.
All I want is an available grip. And a readout speed fast enough to do away with the mechanical shutter altogether. The mechanical shutter on the R7 is absolutely the worst piece of garbage Canon has ever produced ! It's ridiculous loud, causes all kinds of shutter shock, and it fails SO much, if you think your going to use it moderately for more than a year or two, you had better stop using that MS completely, like I have ! The readout speed for the Electronic shutter is very slow though :( Lots of rolling shutter issues.
But Anyway, until Canon makes a better APS-C, I guess I'm stuck with my R7's.
Love mine as well, and yes the readout could use a dramatic improvement, i just dont see Canon doing it. And i full Agree on the MS is sounds sad, and feels wierd.
Please do a comparison video to this video come Feb 2025. You will be a complete legend or have egg on your face. Time will tell and I'll be here for it either way.
@@timshields8720 sounds good to me. If im wrong ill eat my words no problem.
@JeffGresham cool. I am very hopeful. I hear what you are saying but I've been in the industry for years and this is my experience when high end tech trickles down into the mid range models making it cheaper for the masses. My fingers are crossed.
@timshields8720 mine too. I just dont know it this will happen
I'd be interested in learing about what Canon means by AI focus tracking. In AI apps on ones computer, the processing happens on a server farm somewhere - to do AI generative fill or an AI generated image - this trained data sits somewhere in the cloud. In my mind, there is no way for AI to process from trained data in camera.
Focused AI Tracking is What is currently in the R5 Mk II. it's mainly for sports at the moment, The AI detects the person with the Ball and stays on them, and even predicts the movements the person is making based on the chosen ball. It's pretty crazy.
Well, there was a 7D MK2, right? I own the R7. It has focus problems with zoom lenses at least >=500mm probably due to conflicts with readout speed . Recommendation was not to use the electronic shutter at 30fps but 15fps. I still encounter focus problems though. So all I want is a functioning APS-C camera according to specs. That could be achieved with a stacked sensor. That wouldn't jeopardize other Canon cameras, as people buy the R3 or R1 not for wild life but because they want a professional full frame camera. Maybe the R5 MK2 would be an in-house competitor for birding but still it is a full frame and has a different reach .
A stacked sensor at this point in the game for a camera that is considered a starter camera, just does seem like it's in the cards. But hopefully i'm wrong. i'd love to see a stacked sensor in the R7. I love my R7 and don't think of it at all as a starter camera. Yes there was a 7D Mk2 i mentioned that and the M50 Mk2 in the video.
So if none of these things are happening then there is no mark II. The other question everyone is avoiding is what about the R 10? if the R7 is like a As a casual consumer photographer I find big brother to the R10 then it should get new features as well. Canon is not going to release anything, and we are going to have to wait another several years for the R7 and R10 to get changes. The entire product line up is so confusing I just can't see buying anything. I'll stick with the Sl1 that is 10 years old and use my iPhone 16 Pro for video.
yeah i don't see many of these rumors happening, but if they do, i'll gladly eat my words. until then i'm happy with my R7 the way it is. As for the R10 i have heard great things about the video quality, i thought about grabbing one strictly for video but never pulled the trigger.
@@Dobbs65 absolutely. it is addicting, being able to get shots you normally couldnt get, feeds the addiction.
They better don't, I just bought mine last year😭