This is a hot take that I have been saying and will keep saying: If Taylor Swift was a Black woman, she would be a ghost writer almost exclusively. The social expectations that are put on black women entertainers would not sustain her career to anything close to the level of fame that she has if she was anything other than a blonde haired blue-eyed white woman. Just to be clear, I’m not saying she isn’t a talented song writer. She is. The point of what I’m saying is that being a talented songwriter would not, and (imo should not be enough) to make someone as famous as Taylor Swift is if she didn’t have other social capital🤷🏾♀️
I think there’s something else going on - I’m white and I don’t understand why she is so popular. She’s good but not great. Why so much media hype? Feels political as if she’d sway some demographic.
@@aurora-cc6hk thats because she doesn’t care anymore…she already appealed to a certain demographic (teens and younger) and some only buy her albums because they are die hard fans and still want to keep this unhealthy para-social relationship with her, since her whole marketing in the early days was “lets be friends with my fans” “let me make them feel like they have to spend money on me”… Taylor swift possibly changes the quality of the songs based on what suits social media at the moment (i’m willing to bet that it’s the same for every top artist including beyonce) so that they could generate more streams or something. Also we all know the grammys are a scam, where the only reason certain artist win something is because they rubbed elbows with the right person, so I don’t think grammys should be what measures the success of an artist.
One major person I think of when it comes to white mediocrity is Selena Gomez. She literally gives us nothing whether she's singing or acting, but her level of popularity and success is insane. I'll never understand. It's sad that it took so long, but I'm glad the Victoria is getting the attention and success she deserves, she's incredible.
I agree with the sentiment of Taylor swift being mediocre or at least not as talented as her peers. Any performance (both vocally and on stage) will tell you that. No WOC would be able to do what swift does with as little effort
Taylor Swift as a Black Woman would probably be a Engish Teacher at an elementary school or a quirky Librarian. JUST SAYING. All that boring singing is cute at best.
Taylor continues to be mediocre in lyrics, vocals and melody and performance And her cult continues to support her Her lyrics are never deep, neither are her melodies notes that babies can't sing, her vocals are still mid, though improved Beyonce also have her flaws with those little sneaks of taking credits of someone's work, but overall I find her more talented and people have no shakes comparing her to the most famous mediocre thing right now This is America
Taylor Swift is just not that great. She can’t really sing, she talks more than she does sing. She writes well but she cannot hold a candle to her Black & Latina contemporaries in the booth or on stage. But because she is blonde, blue-eyed, skinny and white, she is celebrated as “greatness” and I just can’t see it.
great video! victoria monet winning best new artist while being in the industry for years already def rubbed me the wrong way. same way flo mili is not being recognized my major award shows even tho she's gone viral several times. she's been doing her thing for years too and i hope one day she gets her awards, praise, and recognition she deserves.
The amount of times you say “quote” is so distracting. These things don’t even need to BE QUOTED most of the time. Why are you quoting the type of album Beyonce has, like this is well known. You do not need to quote some sentence from a generic article that any sensible person could’ve come up with. ESPECIALLY when they are mostly well known facts. Or just say: “and I quote” for what’s necessary. It’s so incredibly confusing.
great video! as others have mentioned, any time you use wording that isn't your own, the quote/unquote can disrupt the flow of listening, as you constantly need to filter these words out. it's understandable that you don't want other people's wordings to appear as your own, but most of these are fragments of sentences that are very usual and descriptive, instead of being direct quotations or including wordings/descriptors that are seldomly used. as a viewer who has enjoyed your content, i think we would all benefit by you putting the sources as little text boxes while you say something and that you continue to show your quotes on the screen, but most of the things you say don't need to be labelled as quoted constantly
POC made up 40% of all lead actors in films in 2021, and black people were 18% that is proportionate to the population size, which is worth mentioning. at the same time, there’s no doubt in my mind that privilege, generational wealth, and colorism play a big role here.
Yes, of course America is a country where majority of the population is white, I think everyone takes it to a count, it is important thing to recognize. It would be a whole different thing in another country, or would it? I don`t know, I do not live there but I think you have got quite many black artists`especially women, that are worth celebrating in a country that is mainly white in population and otherwise. I could not see that happening anywhere else. Or maybe that is what is being just most marketed to other countries, I really don`t know. As an outsider it looks that way.
There is also a big pay gap. Tiraji P hanson notably brought to light that black actresses are often underpaid and given smaller trailers than their white counterparts. She is even oscar nominated and a golden globe winner. Even Oscar winners like Lupita Nyongo. Halle Berry and Viola Davis complain about not being treated like they are worth. Halle Berry complained that she was not getting roles even though she won best actress. There is no notable white actress that has struggled so much after winning so many awards.
You are literally conflating POC with black people. Where did you get this stat? If it's this statistic that I think you got it from you were drastically misrepresenting it.
Taylor Swift’s success mainly comes from her songwriting abilities and she has always marketed herself as this modern day poet capable of crafting compelling narratives through a tight-knit storytelling. Beyoncé had always marketed herself as a performer before anything else since her songwriting abilities are not as top tier as her vocal prowess. I love both but comparing them the way you are lacks nuances because you’re more so trying to prove a point. About Victoria Monet, did you not list a few Black women artists for whom she worked? Victoria didn’t benefit from an already strong exposure even though she’s been in the industry longer than AG and Chloe and Halle who all respectively already had a solid envase to milk quicker than helping her build a Monet brand.
Have you considered who is the largest audience who will subscribe or follow these talented individuals? If the majority of the audience is of a particular background, then they're going to see/identify/support based on who they can relate to. The argument for "seeing" yourself works for all groups. In order to cross over and be "seen" by larger groups (that are outside your group) means, yes, one does have to be extra ordinary.
YES! Agreed. There are obviously exceptions to this such as Rihanna who was able to break through and become the biggest global act of her time. Like Rihanna had the uk in a chokehold and still holds the record for most number 1’s in multiple countries which is insane.
Yes i think taylor is not talented but she has put in the work. When she first started she couldn't really sing but then she took singing lessons and now she can sing. Is she a vocalist? Absolutely not. Is she on pitch and can she sustain the note? I think this is not cntroversial at all and we can agree on it. Taylor first became successful because she gave voice to the feelings of fifteen years girls and that's why the parasocial relationship with her fan is so strong. She makes them feel validated and seen, isn't this what we all want as human? Then she kept practicing and became better at singing, refined her songwriting skills and then she became a master in marketing herself and she really profited from the relationship with her fans. So no, she doesn't have a pure talent but she had the dedication and the work ethic to better herself and work on things so of course she's average. Most of us who are not born with a gift or a talent are mediocre but this is her strenght, this is what makes her approachable and inspiring.
The point is she’s still mediocre. Being good at marketing doesn’t make you a good entertainer. Especially as a white woman. Had she been Black, she would have been a ghostwriter. Period
Why is it a thing to conduct awkward interviews with rude or embarrassing questions? A lot of questions being asked aren't anyone's business. Celebrities, as well as anyone, have the right to divulge what they want to about themselves. The rest is just not anyone's concern. Just ask Don Lemon. He tried to make a point by embarrassing his new boss, Elon Musk. It didn't work and ended up being fired immediately. Who cared that much about those so-called "hard" questions he was asking? At the end of the day, he over-stepped his bounds and ended up losing money because of it, while Musk continues to have millions. I just don't see the point.
@@dahliadavidson9539 I’m talking about her even being in the realm of mediocrity like I’ve never even seen her that way but maybe that’s because I actually wanted her to become more mainstream I’ve been following her for forever like I probably listen to her more than most R&B artist so it’s just sad to see some people actually think this way like she was happy for the recognition that she finally deserved she won 2 others Grammys for Best R&B album and best engineered album but yet people only care about the fact that she won the Grammy for new artist when duh she’s not new but she was definitely new to the MAINSTREAM now so yes while she should’ve been mainstream back then the fact that she finally is now as a fan I’ve been waiting for a long time and I hope she stays mainstream because she deserves it
After I watched the video, I found it was appropriate. Taylor is not exactly mediocre. Taylor has talent, but she is not the best performer out here, yet somehow she's toe-to-toe with perfectionist and the undeniably amazing performer Beyonce. What Taylor puts into her performances is nothing like what Beyonce does. As I said she is a perfectionist in her performances much like on MJ's level, but yet Beyonce and Taylor are on the same level famewise. How?
@@sunflowerlady2057 How can someone change your mind when it's already made up? Some people are at the top, and some people are the top of the top - and it keeps going until there's a single person. They are both incredibly accomplished, hardworking individuals and in a video about 'mainstream mediocrity' T.S. doesn't really fit the bill. Bobbi Althoff is a cancer on media.
@@sunflowerlady2057 still doesn't make her mediocre. She is a very talented songwriter and can play multiple instruments. That's literally so much better than being Charlie d'amelio. That's closer to Beyonce than anyone should ever get, fame wise. While there are talented singers with better vocals, their attitude is quite off-putting. I prefer people who respect their fame over people who literally develop ego and god-like complex bcoz of it (for eg., Ariana).
Taylor isn't mediocre, but she certainly is NOT groundbreaking in terms of music or performance; everything she does has pretty much been done before, so she isn't really like THAT compelling to me personally? Idk, to me she seems like she gets very close to doing really cool, unique things, but she gets constrained by the fact that she HAS to be a pop artist that appeals to as many people as possible? She can't really innovate or experiment because she is required to sell
It’s 2024, when can black people ever stop hating Taylor Swift? White women support her just like how black women support Beyonce so why are y’all so pressed?
She’s not a mediocre pop song writer…but literally everything else she does is mediocre. Mediocre performer, mediocre-bad singer, mediocre guitar player…she should just write pop songs for other people imo but hey I’m happy for her enormous success and hope she’s happy too
I think it's appropriate to put her there. I'm not a hater myself, however I feel it's the production that carries the music more than the talent. The writing is alright too, but not the best I've heard.
Bobbi Althoff is remarkably pleasant to watch, a breath of fresh air amid the often over-the-top content typically produced in America. Unlike most content out there, her interview style encourages you to think rather than telling you what to think. Her rise wasn't by chance.
Bobby is not a journalist. She's an online comedian LMFAO wtf do you expect?? She's clearly doing a parody of an interview and big names get clicks. She interviewed Mark Cuban who is not black
This is a hot take that I have been saying and will keep saying:
If Taylor Swift was a Black woman, she would be a ghost writer almost exclusively.
The social expectations that are put on black women entertainers would not sustain her career to anything close to the level of fame that she has if she was anything other than a blonde haired blue-eyed white woman.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying she isn’t a talented song writer. She is. The point of what I’m saying is that being a talented songwriter would not, and (imo should not be enough) to make someone as famous as Taylor Swift is if she didn’t have other social capital🤷🏾♀️
You are generous. I think Taylor would probably be a Engish Teacher at an elementary school or a Librarian. JUST SAYING.
@@amandadaxilxa she won the national poetry competition in the 5th grade. she is good at writing, but the writing on her new album sucks lol. but yeah
I think there’s something else going on - I’m white and I don’t understand why she is so popular. She’s good but not great. Why so much media hype? Feels political as if she’d sway some demographic.
@@aurora-cc6hk thats because she doesn’t care anymore…she already appealed to a certain demographic (teens and younger) and some only buy her albums because they are die hard fans and still want to keep this unhealthy para-social relationship with her, since her whole marketing in the early days was “lets be friends with my fans” “let me make them feel like they have to spend money on me”… Taylor swift possibly changes the quality of the songs based on what suits social media at the moment (i’m willing to bet that it’s the same for every top artist including beyonce) so that they could generate more streams or something. Also we all know the grammys are a scam, where the only reason certain artist win something is because they rubbed elbows with the right person, so I don’t think grammys should be what measures the success of an artist.
Period
Thank you for talking about Victoria Monet. Her situation makes me so mad. She’s so disrespected in the industry
One major person I think of when it comes to white mediocrity is Selena Gomez. She literally gives us nothing whether she's singing or acting, but her level of popularity and success is insane. I'll never understand. It's sad that it took so long, but I'm glad the Victoria is getting the attention and success she deserves, she's incredible.
I agree with the sentiment of Taylor swift being mediocre or at least not as talented as her peers. Any performance (both vocally and on stage) will tell you that. No WOC would be able to do what swift does with as little effort
Taylor Swift as a Black Woman would probably be a Engish Teacher at an elementary school or a quirky Librarian. JUST SAYING. All that boring singing is cute at best.
😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂fr
Taylor continues to be mediocre in lyrics, vocals and melody and performance
And her cult continues to support her
Her lyrics are never deep, neither are her melodies notes that babies can't sing, her vocals are still mid, though improved
Beyonce also have her flaws with those little sneaks of taking credits of someone's work, but overall I find her more talented and people have no shakes comparing her to the most famous mediocre thing right now
This is America
'Nice Gowns' Taylor. Nice gowns
TAYLOR SWIFT is so boring. it is clear it is her popularity that gets her award because that Lady cannot hold ANY note.
I might not be the biggest fan of Swift, but she can sing!!
Taylor Swift is just not that great. She can’t really sing, she talks more than she does sing. She writes well but she cannot hold a candle to her Black & Latina contemporaries in the booth or on stage. But because she is blonde, blue-eyed, skinny and white, she is celebrated as “greatness” and I just can’t see it.
great video! victoria monet winning best new artist while being in the industry for years already def rubbed me the wrong way. same way flo mili is not being recognized my major award shows even tho she's gone viral several times. she's been doing her thing for years too and i hope one day she gets her awards, praise, and recognition she deserves.
best new artist awards is usually given to artist who had their breakthrough year (ex: dua lipa).
The amount of times you say “quote” is so distracting. These things don’t even need to BE QUOTED most of the time. Why are you quoting the type of album Beyonce has, like this is well known. You do not need to quote some sentence from a generic article that any sensible person could’ve come up with. ESPECIALLY when they are mostly well known facts. Or just say: “and I quote” for what’s necessary. It’s so incredibly confusing.
Well said . I’m honestly tired of having to do more when YT people can get away with so much less
Dua lipa to me overrated
I thought she was a stripper when i watched her for the first time, which was a pink lingerie performance of Barbie movie theme song
How is she overrated? Her songs are literally bigger than she is.
@@fan7708that's the point
Dua Lipa > Taylor Swift
great video! as others have mentioned, any time you use wording that isn't your own, the quote/unquote can disrupt the flow of listening, as you constantly need to filter these words out. it's understandable that you don't want other people's wordings to appear as your own, but most of these are fragments of sentences that are very usual and descriptive, instead of being direct quotations or including wordings/descriptors that are seldomly used. as a viewer who has enjoyed your content, i think we would all benefit by you putting the sources as little text boxes while you say something and that you continue to show your quotes on the screen, but most of the things you say don't need to be labelled as quoted constantly
POC made up 40% of all lead actors in films in 2021, and black people were 18%
that is proportionate to the population size, which is worth mentioning. at the same time, there’s no doubt in my mind that privilege, generational wealth, and colorism play a big role here.
Where did you get that statistics?
Yes, of course America is a country where majority of the population is white, I think everyone takes it to a count, it is important thing to recognize. It would be a whole different thing in another country, or would it? I don`t know, I do not live there but I think you have got quite many black artists`especially women, that are worth celebrating in a country that is mainly white in population and otherwise. I could not see that happening anywhere else. Or maybe that is what is being just most marketed to other countries, I really don`t know. As an outsider it looks that way.
There is also a big pay gap. Tiraji P hanson notably brought to light that black actresses are often underpaid and given smaller trailers than their white counterparts. She is even oscar nominated and a golden globe winner. Even Oscar winners like Lupita Nyongo. Halle Berry and Viola Davis complain about not being treated like they are worth. Halle Berry complained that she was not getting roles even though she won best actress. There is no notable white actress that has struggled so much after winning so many awards.
You are literally conflating POC with black people. Where did you get this stat? If it's this statistic that I think you got it from you were drastically misrepresenting it.
@@angelr5694 Did you read the entire sentence....?
Thank you for sharing this- we all need to keep in mind on who we are shown in popular culture and the reasons behind it.
quote unquote quote unquote quote unquote
Right? hahahaha I agree with everything she said but there was really no need to repeat that through the whole video
oop catch the thumbnail!!
In the UK we have Amanda Dimoldenburg. Like Bobbi Althof, she conducts awkward interviews with black British rappers and hip hop artists.
The algorithm has brought me here and I'm glad. SUBBED
Taylor Swift’s success mainly comes from her songwriting abilities and she has always marketed herself as this modern day poet capable of crafting compelling narratives through a tight-knit storytelling. Beyoncé had always marketed herself as a performer before anything else since her songwriting abilities are not as top tier as her vocal prowess. I love both but comparing them the way you are lacks nuances because you’re more so trying to prove a point.
About Victoria Monet, did you not list a few Black women artists for whom she worked? Victoria didn’t benefit from an already strong exposure even though she’s been in the industry longer than AG and Chloe and Halle who all respectively already had a solid envase to milk quicker than helping her build a Monet brand.
Have you considered who is the largest audience who will subscribe or follow these talented individuals? If the majority of the audience is of a particular background, then they're going to see/identify/support based on who they can relate to. The argument for "seeing" yourself works for all groups. In order to cross over and be "seen" by larger groups (that are outside your group) means, yes, one does have to be extra ordinary.
YES! Agreed. There are obviously exceptions to this such as Rihanna who was able to break through and become the biggest global act of her time. Like Rihanna had the uk in a chokehold and still holds the record for most number 1’s in multiple countries which is insane.
Complacency with mediocrity can be deadly...
Beyonce had the most Grammy’s EVER since the won the Grammy with Meg Thee Stallion for Savage ✨. Otherwise complete agree with Bey TS notes
Yes i think taylor is not talented but she has put in the work. When she first started she couldn't really sing but then she took singing lessons and now she can sing. Is she a vocalist? Absolutely not. Is she on pitch and can she sustain the note? I think this is not cntroversial at all and we can agree on it. Taylor first became successful because she gave voice to the feelings of fifteen years girls and that's why the parasocial relationship with her fan is so strong. She makes them feel validated and seen, isn't this what we all want as human? Then she kept practicing and became better at singing, refined her songwriting skills and then she became a master in marketing herself and she really profited from the relationship with her fans. So no, she doesn't have a pure talent but she had the dedication and the work ethic to better herself and work on things so of course she's average. Most of us who are not born with a gift or a talent are mediocre but this is her strenght, this is what makes her approachable and inspiring.
The point is she’s still mediocre. Being good at marketing doesn’t make you a good entertainer. Especially as a white woman. Had she been Black, she would have been a ghostwriter. Period
We can't use grammys to gange artistry because of how rigged it is
ASMR at 6:00 onwards ❤🎉
Bobby took interviews from who? Do the celebs have a limited number of interviews to give? Love your voice tho
Why is it a thing to conduct awkward interviews with rude or embarrassing questions? A lot of questions being asked aren't anyone's business. Celebrities, as well as anyone, have the right to divulge what they want to about themselves. The rest is just not anyone's concern. Just ask Don Lemon. He tried to make a point by embarrassing his new boss, Elon Musk. It didn't work and ended up being fired immediately. Who cared that much about those so-called "hard" questions he was asking? At the end of the day, he over-stepped his bounds and ended up losing money because of it, while Musk continues to have millions. I just don't see the point.
re bey + tay, they're vastly different. they build worlds with their music in very different ways. let's stop pitting women against women.
i agree with many of your other points though!
smh Victoria Monet im sorry girl cause huh
wym, so unclear
@@dahliadavidson9539 I’m talking about her even being in the realm of mediocrity like I’ve never even seen her that way but maybe that’s because I actually wanted her to become more mainstream I’ve been following her for forever like I probably listen to her more than most R&B artist so it’s just sad to see some people actually think this way like she was happy for the recognition that she finally deserved she won 2 others Grammys for Best R&B album and best engineered album but yet people only care about the fact that she won the Grammy for new artist when duh she’s not new but she was definitely new to the MAINSTREAM now so yes while she should’ve been mainstream back then the fact that she finally is now as a fan I’ve been waiting for a long time and I hope she stays mainstream because she deserves it
PLEASE- the quote, unquote, quote, unquote- you gotta stop it’s so annoying lol. But love the breakdown and video.
bobbi althoff yes, but including taylor swift in the thumbnail ain't it
After I watched the video, I found it was appropriate. Taylor is not exactly mediocre. Taylor has talent, but she is not the best performer out here, yet somehow she's toe-to-toe with perfectionist and the undeniably amazing performer Beyonce. What Taylor puts into her performances is nothing like what Beyonce does. As I said she is a perfectionist in her performances much like on MJ's level, but yet Beyonce and Taylor are on the same level famewise. How?
@@sunflowerlady2057 How can someone change your mind when it's already made up? Some people are at the top, and some people are the top of the top - and it keeps going until there's a single person. They are both incredibly accomplished, hardworking individuals and in a video about 'mainstream mediocrity' T.S. doesn't really fit the bill. Bobbi Althoff is a cancer on media.
@@sunflowerlady2057 still doesn't make her mediocre. She is a very talented songwriter and can play multiple instruments. That's literally so much better than being Charlie d'amelio. That's closer to Beyonce than anyone should ever get, fame wise. While there are talented singers with better vocals, their attitude is quite off-putting. I prefer people who respect their fame over people who literally develop ego and god-like complex bcoz of it (for eg., Ariana).
Taylor is the face of white mediocrity, even though she is a great pop songwriter I will give her that, but it’s all she can do very well.
Taylor isn't mediocre, but she certainly is NOT groundbreaking in terms of music or performance; everything she does has pretty much been done before, so she isn't really like THAT compelling to me personally? Idk, to me she seems like she gets very close to doing really cool, unique things, but she gets constrained by the fact that she HAS to be a pop artist that appeals to as many people as possible? She can't really innovate or experiment because she is required to sell
Very cool video, thank you 💓.
Love your content keep up the amazing original work !!
And having connections isn't a skill?? LMFAO if you've ever worked a day in your life you'd know that!
SO true!!
It’s 2024, when can black people ever stop hating Taylor Swift? White women support her just like how black women support Beyonce so why are y’all so pressed?
because she is mediorce duh?
It is not only black people, everyone but her dumb fans can see she is nothing.
They’re so bothered by her mere existence, it’s hilarious.
Girl.... not Taylor Swift pls lol. She may SEEM mediocre but she's not. Not even a hater can say she's not talented.
She’s not a mediocre pop song writer…but literally everything else she does is mediocre. Mediocre performer, mediocre-bad singer, mediocre guitar player…she should just write pop songs for other people imo but hey I’m happy for her enormous success and hope she’s happy too
I think it's appropriate to put her there. I'm not a hater myself, however I feel it's the production that carries the music more than the talent. The writing is alright too, but not the best I've heard.
Hater here 🤚 she's definitely mediocre at best for all the reasons the people above have said and more. F*** Taylor Swift 👎🖕
I love Taylor's music but other than the lyrics everything else is pretty average
Lmao, yes she is.
Great analysis 🔥
Nina Simone was so talented, so??
Bobbi Althoff is remarkably pleasant to watch, a breath of fresh air amid the often over-the-top content typically produced in America. Unlike most content out there, her interview style encourages you to think rather than telling you what to think. Her rise wasn't by chance.
Yawwwwwn
Ummmmmmm how did she make me both 100% agree with and yet also 100% disagree with the statements made....ugggg.
Bobby is not a journalist. She's an online comedian LMFAO wtf do you expect?? She's clearly doing a parody of an interview and big names get clicks. She interviewed Mark Cuban who is not black
This is so tone deaf
How so?
It's not. You just disagree.