DOCKING STERN TO IN 40 KNOTS
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- So many have been asking for the docking in more serious conditions! This was a learn to sail day I ran in Croatia with some beginners in Dec 2021. We got some great weather for learning heavy weather sailing. And came into the marina in 35-43knots of wind.
Leave your comments and questions.
I will do a walk through explanation follow up video and answer or address any of the discussion.
Apologies about the quality of the video! Was happy to have one of the students record on their phone and only got it via whatsapp, I was a bit busy!
** Update: You can find the. walk through explanation follow up video here: • Docking stern to in 40...
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Hey everyone! Noticed there is jump in the render at 6min something you can see the render through clean on the commentary video 😊 thanks for all the comments and support!
Full commentary here: ua-cam.com/video/A9SzxFnHoiM/v-deo.htmlsi=RDfxrcFzviYeP6vk
Reminds me of my first time out as skipper in Croatia, first time mooring stern to as well! Took me 3 goes to get in but managed in the end, happily without bumping into anything! Very much enjoyed my beer that evening…
Perfect job, good planning, good crew and everything went right, if only it was like this all the time.
Ha, if only is right! Thanks George
Made that look real easy!
This really shows how important a detailed plan for the crew is. And your calm composure in the approach really reflects well on the crew! This is how it should be done!
Thanks Gavin. Yes the crew really feed off the skipper, it is important in all situations to exhibit confidence and composure, they will mirror it.
True, if the capt. gets panicky so does everyone else. Nature.
Your experience really showed there. Crew knew their roles, boat prepared in advance, sensible decision to dock stern into wind. I love the fact you are willing to discuss your techniques online openly - we can all learn every day.👍
I know this marina very well. Docking in a such conditions is very hard. But you did it with any problem. Great respect!
🙏🏼 Hvala
@@45DegreesSailing Ni zakaj 😄
wow! so calm. no yelling. no damage. not even a bang or a tap. just perfect!
Thanks Marc. We do our best! The heart was still beating fast for the turn 😉
Planned, prudent, calm and without fear - outstanding! Forget all the other explanatory videos!
Haha well thank you Stefan! Though I did not explain it in this one. There have been a number of requests for a commentary of this so I will post that as soon as I can.
Fantastic demonstration of how it's to be done - you are such a pro, Nick! Thanks for sharing! BR Pitter
Thanks mate! We do our best and hope it is enough :)
My friend you really feel what this girl need to be safe and happy!!!
Haha, well that is what a skipper should always aspire to! Safe and happy crew :)
You could add some chill out jazz music to the maneuver, hhahahaha. So smooth. Splendid 😁👍
Haha for sure! Will do that for the follow up 😏
@@45DegreesSailing No, don't destroy the action with some silly background "music" - wind and human voices make it perfect!
@@Cptnbond looks like we will need a mix of both!
Professionally dony! Perfect docking as it should be in heavy winds.
Thanks for what I feel is an encouraging video! It highlights to me two important points: 1) With sufficient boat speed, backwards tracking in extreme cross wind will work surprisingly well and 2) Once into the berth, the docking process can take place without drama. My personal evaluation (for later use) is that item 1 is key: Steering is not really difficult, but there could be particularly strong gusts, or too early or too late start of the turn to aim for the berth may cause a wrong or poor approach angle. If so, I would say that the approach should be aborted to make a new backing run. This should be a pretty low-risk move if decided early enough. Secondly, when the boat has reached a stern distance to dock of 2-3 m, the most likely issue will be the wind pushing the boat to port against the neighbor boat. When it happens, proper fendering takes care of this preventing any drama. Adjustment of boat position and line tensions, including the bow-line, can be handled without urgency.
I have no plans of doing this in 40 kn, but it COULD happen and the principles are the same at 20 knots :-) Comments?
That is certainly what we are trying to get across! It is also in your choice of berth or situation. For instance not all approaches are easy to abort from once past a certain point. There is the element of risk in all of these manoeuvres. And yes decided early enough that the line isn't right, best to reset.
Proper fendering - always a must! If there is a free crew member, they can handle a fender!
The whole idea behind this video is showing that the principles work in the extreme conditions so that you can be confident in the 20 knots. You also receive more wind on the yacht when travelling down the pier before turning into the berth, once in the berth the breeze on the hull is reduced as shadowed by neighbouring yachts. Though the wind on the mast, bimini and bow is still very real!
man this is so impressive. I know how hard this is to do.. you make it look easy. well done.
Thanks Justin. As said before its not easy and the best thing for it is the preparation and communication.
Very nicely done Sir!. Calling ahead and getting deck hands already on the pontoon was a big plus, but I could not fault your approach into the berth perfect execution !
Perfect maneuver. Fortunately the wind was blowing offshore and you had it from the back, but: Luck is with the hardworking ones!
Absolutely, I requested a berth this side of the pier for exactly this reason. Not sure I could have made it without them holding my bow with the tender if I was on the windward side. Would have needed more speed, too much risk
It was one of the best days. Thanks a lot for a great sailing practice in Adriatica, 45 degrees sailing team!
You are most welcome 😎 It was a great day!
Nice job & it was great to see the marinaros understood how difficult it can be and were out in force in case they were needed. I have a twin rudder with no prop wash so it can make it even harder.
Thanks Grant, yes this is the Bavaria 46 Cruiser, she also has twin rudders. It makes such a difference when manoeuvring to have a single rudder. Especially when the wind is up, and you want to spring off or hold the yacht with a control line. I will do a video on this this season.
@@45DegreesSailing I’d be interested in the video. Another thing I’ve noted with twin rudders is the outwards angle on them makes it quite easy to hook on other mooring lines when manoeuvring in the Marina.
Yes that is for sure. Not surprising that people are intimidated by docking these yachts.
Nicely done.. my older displacement boat takes a strong shot of courage and holding your breath to reverse like that.. you make it look easy..
Well.. having dealt with a few older displacement yachts over the years I can say that relative to them this is easy! You have much less room for error with the older ones, especially the full keels. I had one that would ONLY turn to port in reverse, the prop shaft came out on that side on an angle!
Jeez, that looked exciting
lol. Yeh it was..
Nice... the guy at 6:37 almost lost his fingers. The end good, all good :D
Haha, yes it was an incorrect cleat hitch. The full commentary of this docking is here: ua-cam.com/video/A9SzxFnHoiM/v-deo.html
Great video thanks. Emphasises the benefit of a good plan and delegation of jobs for each of the crew. My only comment, in these conditions, would be to have all crew wearing PFD's, especially those leaving the cockpit. Thanks as always.
Thanks for the feedback Bill.
Amazing! Lovely shots at the end.
Indeed. I was tired.. but had to get the camera out again. Light was looooovely.
Wow! Total pro. Cheers 🍻
Thank you! Cheers!
Easy going 👍🏻
The Kastela guys are always super helpful with sending a rib out to control the bow. Great to see you reversing from a long way out. Good job!
Yeh super helpful to have them there, we didn't need them this time, but when the wind is so close to the beam it can be so helpful to have the insurance plan!
And yes, we reversed from outside of the marina actually as the wind was so strong that turning inside the marina could have been a risk if something went wrong, best to control what you can! Thanks for watching 🙃
Totally agree. Marina Kaštela team have helped us out with a rib before in the past too.
Perfection! The sailing channel I've been looking for !!
Haha. Well I feel very honoured for such a comment. I hope to live up to this!
Good job ! Efficient balance beetwen Wind and speed for docking !!!
Thanks Jean Marc. Tough balance to find sometimes, this one was smooth. It is now always so!
Very nicely. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent maneuver! Maybe should tie windward stern line first
All explained here 😉
ua-cam.com/video/A9SzxFnHoiM/v-deo.html
outstanding teaching video, thanks for sharing
Damn you for making that look so easy!
😂 yeh. My bad
This just popped up in my suggestions. Wow.
lol, cool. Hope you enjoyed!
I have watched all your videos, particulary the stern to docking, I'll be doing this for the first time next week, Im hoping after seeing your videos I manage to do so without looking like a chit show
We are sitting on anchor with two new skipper who feel exactly the same way! You are preparing by trying to learn. Go in slowly and think it through, don’t rush.
Thanks for watching :) where are you sailing from?
Nice job the docking! I personally wouldn't allow crew members without life vests on deck with such wind.
Thanks ACU. And yes that is a fair call.
Great job!
Thanks! Appreciate the comment
😅😅😅 I didn' belive to my eyes....last year in september I had the same conditions when docking. And yes...at the same marina Kaštela and yes...the same sailboat Nutka....and yes we did it the same way....
Well.... maybe I just filmed you! hahaha very cool.
Fantastic job..
Thank you! Cheers!
Maintaining good speed thruout the entire maneuver is key here. You have to be bold! Well done! But why would you throw the leeward aft line first? 🤔
Splendid!
Thanks, it was not single handed but certainly had the wind on the beam! Will keep working on filming these situations for people to see. Thanks for watching
@@45DegreesSailing much appreciated - very helpful to see how others handle such situations.
Very cool!
Thanks Dilip 🙂
good job !! - well prepared, everyone know their roles, boat ready and setup (lines, fenders), good speed for steerage into berth ... text book ;-) ... marina crew on standby for back-up
Hvala Lars. Yes preparation is so key when you are performing these manoeuvres.
the final approach inside the slip looks more like 20knots from the waves etc. but you showed the meter, I don't know. pretty amazing skills. the guy basically went in very fast to avoid getting blown sideways by the cross wind.
Thanks mate. And yes, a certain amount of speed is imperative to keep tracking well in reverse to maintain control.
Impressive 👍👍 Very well done
I hope I never have to dock in that weather again - but always good to see how it is done. Nice boat BTW :)
Yes we have had a few of these now! Keeps it interesting don't you think?!
Perfect job
Hvala Kemal
Damn Sam, it do't git much better'n that.
Haha thanks mate
Enough speed to generate force to manoeuvre against the wind pressure.
Clear orders, good spirit, well prepared plan, fenders and ropes. Helpful support from the marina.
Once you are between the neighbour boats, the wind force drops significantly.
Next Level: Very small or overcrowded harbour, no support, small crew. But the approach should also work this way. Good example!
Yep would roll it exactly the same. And certainly with no support find the best place to dock if possible with the stern to the wind. If that is really not possible, could be better to just wait it out.
Reversing into wind good decision.
Sufficient speed, wide turn and timing of turn were spot on.
I would only worry that the bow came around enough against the wind...but your speed did that....and you not reversing the gear too early.
Yeh. This time it went well. And it only takes a knot different in speed or a second to late/early on the throttle and the story is very different!
Nicely down.
Hvala Bruce
Very good job! Even better if up wind stern rope would be thrown first to have time to hold boat with motor on place while working on mooring line down wind.
Thanks Iztok. Yes sometimes I would agree with this method. Check out the follow up commentary I did to this video explaining and answering the comments.
Docking stern to in 40knots - Q&A and Commentary with Nick
ua-cam.com/video/A9SzxFnHoiM/v-deo.html
Awesome and helpful. Thanks
You're welcome.
You had me stressed out just watching this video. Nice job.
I don’t want to cause stress! Thanks for watching. How is your adventure coming along?
@@45DegreesSailing we are in "final" stages of prepping the boat. Just need to complete a watermaker install and figure out a solar set-up, and we will be on our way; the plan is late August departure.
@@SailingPauHana Brilliant. Looking forward to hearing more!
Bravo !!!!!!!
Haha. Hvala Petros
I once got caught in 35 knots of wind in the Split channel (the narrow straight between the islands Šolta and Brač, just in front of the city of Split), on my Bavaria 46 with full sails out. I don't understand how, but the speedometer war reading a GPS speed od 16 knots. It was fairly rough, but it felt like the boat was flying.
Yeh that is pretty fast!
Good job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Nicely done.
The boat has midship clamps. Put a windward line on that one first and engine in forward gear.
Interesting comment, why would you need to do this and how would you propose implementing this in such a situation? To what gain?
Thanks!
❤️
well done! you just need the experience and the guts to do it the speedy-way..
Yes and it really is scary to commit to a move like this! Thanks for the comments :)
Boss!! well done
🤝 Thanks Ruben
Nice docking, but poor crew safety: No PFD at 40 kt gusts, no life lines while working on deck 😞
Yeh bad call on my part. You get complacent over short distances, enclosed waters. We should have been wearing them.
Well done skip
Hvala
Very cool..
Thanks, cool after the fact. Always nerve racking on the way in!
Looks very easy when someone else is doing it! 😂 Lots of boat speed really helps but having the guts to do it, that's another story. 😂
Yeh that’s … that’s hard to teach. I think you just need 1000 hours!
@@45DegreesSailing is that all? That's a confidence booster right there ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
well done!
Thanks. More to come I hope!
Good job donne
Hvala Thomas!
Well done man.
Hvala :)
It’s a shame you put that cut in at 607 when your line wasn’t quite right it would have been useful to see how you sorted it out.
Hmmm. I will have to go back and have a look!
So I checked it out. I will have to take a look at the project as we did one straight run into the berth I’m not sure why I cut it like that. Perhaps it was the footage that jumped. Had I had to adjust and go forward I would have left the berth and started again as there would be no recovering, the bow was getting pushed so hard by the wind stalling at the moment then regaining movement in reverse we would have been all over that yacht on port and it’s mooring lines.
good job.
Hvala
Nice!
Thanks!
I am a bit surprised in view of the conditions and the December water temperature that nobody is wearing any life jackets/vests.
Yep. Very real thing. In retrospect, I had given them all the option to choose to wear or not wear, and I should have called for all wearing. Serious conditions and I think I should have taken that more seriously. Even for the short trip we were doing in enclosed, flat water.
next time you may consider wearing a safety harness - especially when you are on the deck winding up the main. Nice docking!
Hey thanks Tibor, yes we discussed this after the day. Next time for sure.
Impressive boat handling but not one lifejacket or lifeline in sight ?
Yep, thats right. Big discussions about it in the comments if you wanna check it out. Effectively, we should have been wearing them. That's on me.
This docking is good because the speed of the boat is sufficient. The fault of beginners is to slow down in strong winds for fear of an accident, which reduces the maneuverability of the boat. Bernoulli's laws explain to us that the forces applied in the air vary according to the square of the wind speed and underwater according to the square of the boat speed. A boat moving at low speed is driven by the wind.
100%
And it is very tough to have that confidence in the beginning. As of course more speed when not in control will result in more damage!
Sweet
👍 nut no lifejackets😮
Yes as stated in other comments this was a life jacket day. That’s on me
Good job
Thanks Eduard
Nice job mate,
😉 Cheers. Where are you 3 at the moment? On the water?
@@45DegreesSailing on land at the mo, might over your way in a weak or two.
@@SVTONICBoatWives well don’t be strangers! Look us up 😉 we’ll have a UA-camr Colab video 😜
@@45DegreesSailing Sounds like a plan;)
Very nice executed. With respect to the final position of the boat, where was the wind coming from? From the pier?
Thanks Daniele. It was coming from between the starboard beam to starboard quarter (90-120 degrees off the bow)
With it coming from the pier (astern) it is much easier to control reversing directly into the wind.
Why didn t you first tie right side because I saw the wind was coming form right side Thanks
Hi there, long day! Answers are all in here: ua-cam.com/video/A9SzxFnHoiM/v-deo.htmlsi=WtUh2L4wt3FJNlkV :)
Great video! It might be 40+ at the masthead bit I think you're getting closer to 20 on the freeboard.. good manoeuvring though 😉
Thanks Tiaan. We measured with the handheld anemometer between 25-36 at the freeboard that day after I was tied up. Less than 40 for sure - thankfully!
@@45DegreesSailing that's plenty breeze 😅👍🏻
40 cv of wind and the crew does not use life belts? Well done skipper...
Yes there has been some good conversation about this. Check out the other comment threads 😊😊
Very cool steering, nick!! Why not throw out a bowline to the dock?it took 15 seconds to take the line back and cleat back onto the port side of the boot.
Thanks Sam. So a bow line in this case could potentially fall in the water and then obstruct the prop. I would always want an exit plan, and I need to be able to use the engine, and bow truster. It did take a while to get the line on, though if we were drifting faster, or not managing control he would have made it fast on the cleat on the dock for me to power against. In this case I was maintaining control with engines, thruster and well placed fenders on the port side, so he passed it back and we drove against it once secure on the cleat. I was happy for Stan to take the time to do this, to learn and experience it, because off the frame behind me the dock hand was holding my line fast on the cleat so I had control with the one also.
Hey Sam. Did you mean a bow line (as in a line attached to the bow of the boat) - or, did you actually mean to throw a line from the stern that already had a bowline knot / loop that could be secured directly to the dock, instead of passing it back? Just clarifying! thanks.
Ah Sam of course! I thought you meant a line from the bow 🤣 sorry!
At Marina Kaštela they do not have cleats on the dock that you can loop a bowline around for quick fixing. They have rings on the dock to feed the lines through so you need to throw them a clean line. If they think you need the help or are losing control they will pass it through the ring and fix it with a hitch on a bite until you are set and they can return it to you to fix.
Haha, indeed, I meant a sternline with a bowline knot.
Royal Navy Yachtmaster (David) is quite strong on this. It makes sense because it's fast and you're in control of what the person on land will do. Reversely, when exiting the marina, throwing off a bowline knot from the cleat seems a much cleaner exit, because there is very low risk of entanglement ashore. Check his video here : ua-cam.com/video/l7p8JsDjiKg/v-deo.html
However, to Nick's point for always wanting an exit plan, throwing a clean line without a bowline knot seems the better way to go, unless you are willing to give up the sternline and throw it off your boat in case of imminent danger.
Lastly, if you're not familiar with the marina, you might be standing there with a bowline knot in your hand in a marina with only rings. I checked navily, but there is no indication if the marina has a ring or cleat. Only pictures of the marina might give you a clue.
I guess if I know the place and it's easy weather , I will throw a sterline with a bowline knot when possible.
you're right, in this windy conditions you should yell at the marinero on the pontoon to quickly fix the line on the pontoon's cleat (or the ring), hold it for a while and then pass it back to the guy on the stern to be fixed as a double line.
Good team work. Did you send the first rope from lee side? Looks like wind was from STBD aft quarter.
Yep, first line in this case we take the leeward side. Get pressure against it and lay against the yacht to leeward. Stops the bow getting pushed further around by the wind.
nice, but did you hit something at the cut at 6:06? 😮
Lol no didnt hit, there seems to have been a jump in the render. Wasn't a cut as such. You can see the smooth video on the commentary here: ua-cam.com/video/A9SzxFnHoiM/v-deo.html
Nick. Noticed that as you turned into the berth the wind would have been from starboard - why did you go for the port stern line 1st? Were you happy to lean on the yacht on your port side? Would using the starboard as a spring to keep your bow from being blown to port have been useful? Sorry for lots of questions!
@@bhodson7954 no problem! Check out this commentary ua-cam.com/video/A9SzxFnHoiM/v-deo.htmlsi=GBRlBN8Yv0cb-Tcr
Will answer your questions I think! Any more fire then through 😉
I didn’t see you deploy the anchor off the bow prior to entering the slip, did the RIB help with that after you were at the dock?
No anchor for this marina. Uses bowlines attached to mooring blocks with lazy lines.
that boat goes in reverse like a champ! did you drop the dodger to reduce windage?
Yes, absolutely to reduce windage and better visibility and communication.
BRAVO
Hvala!
I have not watched all of the video yet, but I too am surprised to see the crew are not wearing life jackets in 40kn wind. Am I missing something? Is this wise?
Hey Austin. Yes I have had a few conversations about this on the comments here. Retrospectively I think we should have had them on. As much as it was not an alarming sail/conditions for me to be in and we were in control, the precaution should be to be wearing them. If I did it over, and when I have since, all crew and myself have been wearing lifejackets and tethers.
Hi , thank u for your videos. I have found them very helpful. Is it possible to do a video of how leaving a berth in very tight space? Like leaving Kastela marina and you dont have much space in front .
Hi Michail. Thank you so much for your comment and suggestion. We will put it on our list to film during our pre-season and summer trips.
loved the video! so calm and clean execution! only one question - in this situation when you throw the stern line to the dock, would it be better if they made a knot directly instead of passing it back? I don't seem to find a common opinion on this, some people say they should secure it first (specially if it's the 'safety' line) and then you can make it a slip if you want. Others say it doesn't matter if it is passed back onboard quick.
It is certainly a situation for that. And each dock hand will do it a little differently and you need to prepare yourself and crew for that.
In my experience of docking myself and watching others, the dock hand will assess the situation. If you come in, throw the line and the yacht is moving away or twisting out of control quickly. They will secure it so you can use it for control immediately. If you have paused nicely with positive momentum into the wind and they think there is time the will send it back. And to that point, some will just fix it immediately regardless of the situation!
@@45DegreesSailing thanks a lot for the fast and detailed answer!! Really appreciate it :)
Most welcome
Like a boss
Haha. You know it Cheif! I can’t get over how calm it looks on film!
@@45DegreesSailing just another day in the office 😉
Haha, sure felt like it, was happy to be tied up at the end of it for sure.
This is bat shit insane. Once I docked with 25knots but to be honest it didn't feel like that, because I believe up where sensors are, wind was stronger than down on low sea level in marina. However every docking over 15knots is difficult. For everyone else watching this, watch weather forecast and don't try this until you have several years of experience.
🤣🤣🤣 I can relate!
try this in marina split! ;-)
Lol done it before! ACI Split is set up so badly >.< its a hard Marina to manoeuvre in for sure.
I had to put the C57 back in there once in 25 knots. That was stressfull too.
@@45DegreesSailing we had to bring a 37 feet sailboat back on a day with 25 knot winds. but we used the help from charter-marineros. they put the boat back, forward with nearly full throttle. wow
@@Kaeptn313 good move! Whenever that option is there it’s absolutely cool to take it!
Nice. What speed do you need to have good control into the final turn? I”m taking out a 46ft Bavaria cruiser from Biograd in a few weeks and always like getting some reverse practice to see how much speed is needed to have control.
To maintain good tracking through the water in this wind I needed about 2.5 knots to avoid getting blown onto the mooring lines to leeward during the turn. In lighter winds you can do this with 1 - 2 knots.
Nice. Stern in is a little foreign here in the US. Do your bow lines and springs tie to the boat next to you? I didnt’ see any pilings.
Hey Bill. So the stern lines and from the yacht to the dock or pier and the the bowlines from a mooring block on the seabed in front of the the bow. There is no spring, and (in general) we don’t tie to the yacht next to us. It’s common in charter marinas to tie a line from bow to bow in heavy cross winds or winter months for extra stability. This set up has no pilings out of the water. These videos show/explain it in more detail: ua-cam.com/video/-OPs960oR88/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/jULddr4KA50/v-deo.html
Hi Nick,thank you for that very nice docking video in windy conditions. Just a few questions.
- Was the wind a sealevel in the marina a little bit less, when approaching the dock, it doesnt look like 30kt? Maybe on the mast top more wind?
- Why did you let them throw the leeward aftline first and not the windward?
Anyway great job, with not much stress.
Hey Sascha. Great questions. So I will do my best to answer, and soon once more questions and comment come in I will do a follow up video explaining the process.
Wind Speed: Generally yes you will have more wind at the top of the mast as it is in clearer air and not sheltered by the other yachts. We were getting measurements of 35-45 on the wind gear (top of the mast), I would estimate the wind speed at standing height (most effect on the yacht) ranged from 25-35 knots this day. It often never looks as windy once it gets on camera and onto the screen! When approaching the dock the wind you see on the water is even further sheltered from the yachts and the dock.
Leeward line: In this case the best control line to have on was the port quarter line (leeward stern line) as I can power against it with the best leverage to keep the yacht from twisting in the berth (in this case the wind taking the bow to port and kicking out the stern).
@@45DegreesSailing Thank you, yes on the camera its always not looking that worse, wind, waves, ....
@@45DegreesSailing Ok, ... i dont really know what excatly you mean, cause in my thoughts the leeward sternline keeps you from the dock and pushes the bow againts the port side boat, and the wind pushes the same direction? The windward stern line (in this case starboard) would keep you away from the port side boat and pushes the bow to starboard, where your mooring is being fixed, but anyway i'm sure you are right and i misunderstand something, happy to see the follow up ;)
By the way, fingers crossed, i'm in this region in the first week of May.
As you are getting between two boats it seems you are going to hit one, then video gets cut and then proceeds after you are alredy in different position. It makes it look like two videos added.
Yes! Someone commented this also. It was one run all the way in. There should have been no need to cut. I will look at uploading it again raw to see if you can get it all together