what are we trying to solve ? witch haunting! Andy, you are one of the few that gets this argument so right and honest! well done. I commend your integrity!
I would love to see Nick Kyrgios paying the price for his behaviour, he definitely makes a bad image of tennis, he expects to be respected, but he doesn’t do this towards others, no one should seek for attention by hurting and disrespecting others, especially that there is absolutely no reason for it.
You don’t have to think about it, just read about the facts. Everything, the amount of substance, her being tested very often, other pack of the medicine also being contaminated, hair tests, every test negative except this one, fact that the same company produces a medicine containing TMZ - everything proves Iga and even her whole team (usually someone from the team us responsible) is innocent, and the amount of the substance couldn’t have impacted her body
Thank you for always thinking through your past as a tennis player, because that's what's enlightening, in comparison to comments from people who don't know what it's like to be in that position.
Even 1 month suspension is not fair. ITIA should not have given any suspension to Iga since they clearly said positive test was due to contamination of Melatonin and not Iga’s fault. Everyone nowadays take medication like Aspirin from pharmacy but how do we know whether it is contaminated with banned substance or not. It’s totally manufacturer’s mistake, not Iga’s.
@@andieoliviawhy ITIA has to punish Iga though she is not guilty. Though it’s just 1 month suspension, common people think Iga has done some mistake, that’s why she is serving 1 month suspension. That’s not fair to players who has not done any mistake.
@@coolyoutuber6237 I don’t mean any disrespect. I was just curious what type of suspension you thought was appropriate. I was just asking your opinion. Personally I think Iga was treated quite harshly especially compared to Jannik.
Do you also believe in Santa Claus? Did You believe Agassi had meth in his system from a spiked drink? Pro athletes don’t have steroids in their system by accident. COME ON THINK
@@andieoliviashe tested negative every time, before and after, so I can’t understand why did they suspend her immediately. It’s also unfair to compare her case to Simona Halep’s. I was told WADA didn’t find immediately the contamination in her suplements which were contaminated according to her. Nowadays anyone may be suspended for something like this, I’m not saying they should set a permissible concentration, but if this small amount gets detected, then they should just test her hair and every supplement and medicine
"When people expect understanding and forgiveness for the times in their life that they've really screwed up, but then give none of that to anyone else" 👏👏 This is what bothers me about some of the reactions from other tennis players. They have no empathy for other players, and a lot of them aren't even looking at the facts. Instead they are just talking out of their asses. I can't tell if its stupidity or if they just want attention e.g. Kyrgios, Shapo If I was a pro player I would be terrified after this year. I would be standing up for the other players and fighting to get more nuance in the procedure from the ITIA. Because now they can see that these contamination situations can happen to them, and have the potential to completely derail their career. 😓
Why are substances that DO NOT enhance performance even tested for? This system is out of control and trashing athletes reputations. Get real. Yes, the levels should be much higher. And Kyrgios should STFU and be off Tennis Channel-but they have no values when it comes to women, so…
Completely agree with you Andy. There is also the problem of the governing bodies delaying hearings, etc. for ridiculous length of time as with Halep. Seems to happen when they don't have much of a case.
This is the only channel that gives the most clearcut solution and explanation about those doping accusation cases. Totally respect Andy for his unbias and insightful reasonning. While I do prefer Gill Gross' channel for detailed match analysis. Andy sees things much clearer and logical. I lost respects to a lot of players after their irresponsible and sometimes toxic opinions (stating with fact checking). To name a few: Kyrgios, Halep, Gasquet, Shapo, Griekspoor.
13:00 Speaking of Yevgeny Kafelnikov and lifetime bans...maybe he should work on clearing his name with any connection to match-fixing. _(look that one up)_
Nobody used steroids? So Iga and Jannik didn’t get suspended for testing positive for steroids? Pretty sure they did? Are you living in the twilight zone?
agree 100%, for me it's just so dumb they punish for something that doesn't ultimately enhance performance. like they screw someone's life for something so silly
Jj7546 most peds that players take enhance recovery from a 4 hr pounding on hard courts , and that's a good thing that should be encouraged, they don't increase strength. There is a limit to how much muscle is optimal for a player before that muscle decreases performance because of rhe loss of flexibility that the inceased muscle causes . And that limit can be reached very easily naturally. Try to find a top pro 6 ft 2 or shorter who weighs more than 185 pounds, you won't be able to . I'm 6 ft and 190 and have 18% body fat and only take creatine and am 65 yrs old. Any Joe schmo can get the optimal body for a tennis pro naturally, they don't need strength enhancing drugs but recovery enhancing drugs are really needed and should be 100% legal. I don't give a crap if players get caught with recovery drugs in their system if they can beat rhe rap
@@iang8169 tell that to nadal and Alcaraz who had / have huge muscles. But whether it should be illegal or not is a different discussion. The point is they took the drugs on purpose which you seem to acknowledge
Jj7546 Carlos weigh only 165 pounds.. look , anybody who works out semi seriously knows you can get to rafa or Carlos level. Rafa was 187 pounds at 6 ft 1 .I'm 65 yrs old and at 55 my arms were as big as rafa s and I only take creatine . It's not like tennis has tbis problem because they have 6 ft 220 pound 15% body fat players . At that weight they'd be too inflexible. So there is a disincentive to take muscle enhancing drugs . Don't know about iga but sinner probably took his RECOVERY ( as opposed to strength ) enhancing drugs deliberately. Why is that a big deal to you. Players should be able to take any drugs that enhance their recovery
The point made by the Wada's president is that probably they are not able at the moment to distinguish between contamination and micro-dosing with the test. I do believe Jannik and Iga but anyone responsible to test should definitely find a way to distinguish between the cases. Ideally by adding more test during the season.
It's a weird point tho since the basic requirement for micro dosing to be effective is that you take that dose for a long time many times.. In my opinion stopping to trace small quantities is a very bad idea, but modern antidoping has the means to find out if something is off on a long term basis (i. E. Biological passport) so in situations like Sinner or Swiatek they should just wait and see if those small amounts stay on tbeir blood for a long time or if its just a one time thing
@@manuel7102 "for a long time many times" it's not the case because they got negative results on other tests. They were just sanctioned for a single test and this is ridiculous.
Through such decisions, any player can be brought down. It was done with Haleb, and now Świątek has been deprived of the chance to defend her No. 1 position. Has she been stripped of the No. 1 spot? I don’t know. Sabalenka was chasing Iga, but without a doubt, her chance was taken away.
Iga qualified for WTA Finals as I remember after French Open, very early, so she didn’t even have to play super good in those tournaments at the end of the year to numer one
Iga is like 1000 behid Sabalenka, She couldnt participate in three tournaments. She lost 1000 points for Bejing. Maybe she would play better in WTA FINALS. She was under big pressure for sure. And she lost 390 points for Cincinatti where she was positive. I believe she would stay number 1. Close but still nr 1.
The difference in treatment between Swiatek and Sinner, v Halep is concerning. If it is non performance enhancing contamination, it should be short suspension as you suggested.
Obviously the key to doping is to find new ways to do it without getting caught. So methods are changing rapidly. Like with micro-dosing for instance. I'd be willing to bet 99% of tennis fans had no idea people were doing this before this statement. Sl unless you are completely up to date on how athletes are doping (which WADA would most likely want to keep under wraps) we shouldn't be so critical their actions. Things might appear silly to us, but there's a high probability that's only because we have no clue what we are talking about...lol
@@bengray5013 I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I was referring to microdosing as a concept in reference to the WADA statement Andy read in this segment. I made no reference to any particular substance.
I support all the establishments. They absolutely should be investigating, etc. But, they definitely need to all be on the same page. They are very disorganized.
9:00 Your defense is to have those supplements lab tested for the banned substance. This is what Guillermo Coria did back in 2001 to be reinstated on the Tour. Players need to save a small portion of any over the counter supplements as a contingency in the event this happens.
Iga got the sleeping pills tested in a certified lab in France. That is how she could prove it was the source of the substance. They still suspended her, for the sake of suspension.
The reason to test for levels too low to affect performance is that we want to know what substances are being used to potentially help with injury recovery or promote/enhance strength and durability. 'Clean' has come to mean that the substance you were using between tournaments is not detectable. Look at the Salazar/Nike case where a cream was allegedly used on a family member so that the running team could determine what level/concentration of the substance would avoid detection. You have to test for traces of a chemical or you will miss those who are trying to fly under the radar. So either you test for levels so low that you get cases of inadvertent exposure/contamination, or you risk having some users go undetected. Can't go after the cheats without snagging a few innocents. That said, for high-ranking Grand Slam winners to test positive and not those further down the ladder is not a good look.
I believe the laws on doping should be changed. Athletes are obsessed with everything: food, medicines. This not right. Nowadays , tests are so precise that it’s easy to say someone is doping. Moreover, in my opinion, the responsibility shouldn’t fall solely on the athletes but also on the athlete’s staff, who should also be held accountable to ensure greater caution.
Question: did you ever test everyone who shook your hand? Because all it takes is for them to have touched something illegal, and if you have any cuts, you turn out to be doped as well. What they say here is that no one can trust anyone anymore, not even the companies that make the drugs (because they don't rule out that there could be something extraneous) nor the people you work with. We are at madness, total madness.
So is there something that has changed in these tests that all of a sudden, all these high-performing athletes are testing positive now? What has changed? Billionth or trillionth, what has changed?
Is not as a clear cut or so simple as Andy make it. A nanogram (a billion of a gram) might be a clear indication of doping or just a contamination. You need to ask several questions first; how fast is the metabolism of the person? how fast is the half life of the drug? what possible routes of administration? could other drugs like diuretics accelerate the metabolism or enhance the effect of the drug? What is the time window between tests? how sensitive and specific are the test? Do you need to have high levels during competition for an enhancing effect? Could the potential doping be use to boost your training and be better prepared? Can a microdosing regiment or in combination with other legal or ilegal substances can have an enhancing effect? There are limited number of experiments done with animals or humans. But we don’t have the answer to all these questions. In part because the experiment were never done when the pharmaceutical industry created some of these compounds. Most of the time there rational was to create something not for doping. An accidental exposure is a real possibility in both cases. If we want to move forward then frequent and standard sampling collection are needed. Probably a minimum of 2 per week for top 100 players. only test some in between and storage the rest in case anything came positive to have a clear historical record.
@@bengray5013 Clostebol is non-enhancing? You have done 0 research and are a moron lol. 25+ athletes have been banned over the years for that substance
In iga's case they also tested the hair since it stays in hair the longest. It came out negative. So honestly, iga's case is quite straightforward. It was a huge bad coincidence and her being incredibly unlucky
I have celiac disease which means i can't eat gluten. It is so bloody hard ! even certified products (safe for me) might have an extremely small amount of gluten. even herbs are contaminated.it is extremely stressful and I can't do anything about that. Hard to imagine life with more forbidden stuff like that in athletes example
@user-sg8xd6tu5u ....so what are you saying cupcake?...,oh nothing....and I didn't bother with the clot shot.... but it certainly seems to have affected your brain....or what's left of it.
With Jannik out from tennis everybody is going to loose .. tennis channel, tennis tv , sky sport ,tournaments around the world.. wada , I’m going to cancel all my subscriptions and US open next year ? No way … I hope all the entire Italy protest .. don’t flow any money to tennis .. that is the solution . I’m sorry but is very upsetting
If the test amount detected is so insignificant it shouldn’t make a difference then don’t classify it as a test failed. However since it was clearly big enough to mark it as a failed test then yes it is significant. People keep talking about sinner’s small amount - it’s one nanogram totally standard
That's not how it works lol, listen to the interview to Olivier Niggli (WADA director general). The same amount of Iga and Jannik a few years ago couldn't be detected. Also it was not a nanogram, but 86 picogram s(1 nanogram = 1000 picograms), totally insignificant
This process is so so flawed. I've hated both of these cases. I'm sick of players getting smeared for creating no detrimental effect to the matches. So ridiculous.
My solution would be that the WADA offers free testing of every batch of supplements. And if you take a supplement, you could send a probe of it to WADA. The random tests at times like 6:30 am violate the dignity of the athletes though. I am not an athlete, but for me it would not be acceptable that doping agencies know where they could find me at any time. They even know if you have a secret girlfriend, because you have to tell them her address if you stay at her place over night. It also is not okay if a stranger watches you peeing. Athletes should revolt against that.
No matter the the results via ITIA etc, the head lines refuse to report the true - sensationalism to sell your site is all that counts, humans are soooo easily manipulated “TRAGIC”…..
You cannot say a 5-day suspension is adequate though? It’s pretty weak if you ask me. Especially compared to Iga’s 30-day suspension. Also Clostebal is legal in Italy. Jannik’s team was clearly negligent. That’s his fault and he should be reprimanded for that. 5 days is simply not enough.
It's not his fault but his physiotherapist's fault and he couldn't avoid it. But the point is that his performance was never affected. So I agree that is not adequate... because he should get 0 DAYS of suspension.
@@cleorobynHow could Sinner prevent the contamination from his physio if he doesn't know that he used Trofodermin? I never had a logic answer for that question, maybe you can fix this
@@scara19 It’s called negligence. Look up the meaning of the word. You cannot just go around blaming others for your problems. That’s not how life works.
Trimetazidine has a half life of 7.8 hours. Seems like a small amount in the system would be very consistent with someone that was using it for performance enhancement. So, to answer the question, I think we do need to be testing to very low levels as these drugs have very short half lifes.
Contaminated substances happen. Yes of course. I agree. But Iga got 30 days and Jannik got 5 days. That’s not fair whatsoever. Hence why WADA has appealed. There’s too many discrepancies! The only people who agree with Jannik’s suspension are his fans.
Those lacky player union guys should get some balls and demand action. The money bags are screwing the talent that enables them to earn the money bags. Screw them.
I have no sympathy for a tennis player who chose to date a rival tennis player's ex-girlfriend. Sinner is famous and wealthy; was he incapable of finding anyone else to date but Anna Kalinskaya? Come on. Who does that? If Kyrgios had suddenly decided to date Sinner's ex, everyone would be calling Kyrgios a scumbag; but Sinner does it, and no one's bothered by it? Think about it: Sinner HAD to date the ONE person who used to be intimate with Kyrgios? Sinner couldn't hold back? She was THAT irresistible? I bring that up because it reveals the sort of lowlife Sinner is. Who does that? You're the #1 player in the world, and you couldn't fall for anyone else in the whole world? Please. Ah, but Sinner would NEVER lie about doping because he's such a sweetheart who'd never sink so low. Yeah, right.
@@BOZ_11 They're not ignorant of the law against doping. They were not conscious of their exposure. Doping is the intentional use of an illicit substance to enhance performance.
Why should we not investigate when we detect something though? I still feel like we should run an investigation if there is something that came up. Substances filter out of people’s systems so we should continue to investigate.
Agreed. But, in Iga’s case, they determined she was innocent and nothing was wrong and they punished her anyway. That’s my issue. With sinner, he was negative then a little positive, then negative. So what’s the punishment for not doping and barely testing positive? Maybe monthly random checks? But suspensions!? No.
Makes perfect sense to me that Sinner was doping. He all of a sudden started playing and beating everyone. He was test twice at different times and claimed to not know. His coach Dan Cahill also coached Haley who was charged for doping. Coincidence?
It's bit disingenuous to try to make it that simple. Masking agents could reduce levels of a substance and traces could also mean that the player took the drug allowing them to train harder or recuperate from an injury and let time pass to reduce levels.
That's why you have a team that makes sure things don't happen like that and bade to take other things.For calls, she needs to be suspend it when you was playing one of many suspensions. Both I need to be suspended
Have you ever seen a person got caught with doping and said "yeah I took it deliberately"? Two world number ones tested positive in the same year is unheard of for ANY sport in the history. The argument that only a "miniscule" amount of drugs found in their bodies is nonsense. No cheater is dumb enough to dope right before a test. Im disappointed but not surprised how biased Andy is about the whole situation. He works for TC and Wilson after all.
Andy has no idea about how doping works or he is on purpose trying to deflect in order to not let people believe top players are doping. I would suggest anyone who things it was just a small amount that was detected so it cannot have been performance enhancing to inform themselves about microdosing. Or the fact that masking agents can be used. I d also suggest to listen to anti doping activists or experts, and not to a tennis player who clearly wants to save his sports image. People on here commenting have really no idea about doping, and are naive if they believe Swiatek or Sinner HAVE to be innocent just because they re nice people, good for the sport or came up with quick explanations (and capable lawyers): Too bad Andy has a clear agenda. but i get it, it would suck for your sports reputation to suffer even more. Most casual sports fans think it is corrupt and dirty as hell!
1+1=X Just solve the equation. Let’s not be naive here. There is a HUGE conflict of interests regarding the doping of the biggest tennis stars. Anyone remembers fancy bears? What they disclosed about the Williams sisters?
Que curioso que siempre que pillan a alguién dando positivo,se contaminan con algo por ejemplo con una chuleta de carne "Alberto Contador" en un TOUR.Lo dicho no son errores,son tramposos que quieren mejorar su rendimiento artificialmente,por dinero y fama.😊
Tennis is now just a contest of who get get the best dope and have the best excuses. Of course Sinner and Iga are guilty. Every criminal has an excuse.
Thank you! Exactly. Who has the best excuse? Ironically Iga has the better excuse, but yet she got the longer sentence. Jannik just blames his physio and apparently that’s okay he gets 5 days! Like gimme a break! They’re basically saying it’s okay to be on steroids.
@@stevenabdelhamid1481 Yeah I understand that, but still the decisions for other players where too evil and too light for Iga and Jannik. (Iga is weird case, ok)
Thank you for being a reasonable one in this crazy world.
what are we trying to solve ? witch haunting! Andy, you are one of the few that gets this argument so right and honest! well done. I commend your integrity!
Right on Andy..! Finally someone who tells it as it is.
I would love to see Nick Kyrgios paying the price for his behaviour, he definitely makes a bad image of tennis, he expects to be respected, but he doesn’t do this towards others, no one should seek for attention by hurting and disrespecting others, especially that there is absolutely no reason for it.
You will not because he’s not even a tennis player anymore 🤣
Except Nick never got "contaminated", whose career overlapped with the big 4. He can actually speak WITHOUT being hypocritical
@@BOZ_11che stupido commento
@@BOZ_11he literally admitted taking drugs that are on the banned list while he was on the pool of the pro athletes
They should sue him for defamation.
I agree with you Andy
Thank you Andy for being the only one who makes sense in this madhouse!
You don’t have to think about it, just read about the facts. Everything, the amount of substance, her being tested very often, other pack of the medicine also being contaminated, hair tests, every test negative except this one, fact that the same company produces a medicine containing TMZ - everything proves Iga and even her whole team (usually someone from the team us responsible) is innocent, and the amount of the substance couldn’t have impacted her body
Thank you Andy for your insights and honest opinion... For those haters, please grow a brain, and just listen, or read if you can 🤷
Thank you for always thinking through your past as a tennis player, because that's what's enlightening, in comparison to comments from people who don't know what it's like to be in that position.
Even 1 month suspension is not fair. ITIA should not have given any suspension to Iga since they clearly said positive test was due to contamination of Melatonin and not Iga’s fault. Everyone nowadays take medication like Aspirin from pharmacy but how do we know whether it is contaminated with banned substance or not. It’s totally manufacturer’s mistake, not Iga’s.
@@coolyoutuber6237 so what do you think she should have gotten then? Just curious?
@@andieoliviawhy ITIA has to punish Iga though she is not guilty. Though it’s just 1 month suspension, common people think Iga has done some mistake, that’s why she is serving 1 month suspension. That’s not fair to players who has not done any mistake.
@@coolyoutuber6237 I don’t mean any disrespect. I was just curious what type of suspension you thought was appropriate. I was just asking your opinion. Personally I think Iga was treated quite harshly especially compared to Jannik.
Do you also believe in Santa Claus? Did You believe Agassi had meth in his system from a spiked drink? Pro athletes don’t have steroids in their system by accident. COME ON THINK
@@andieoliviashe tested negative every time, before and after, so I can’t understand why did they suspend her immediately. It’s also unfair to compare her case to Simona Halep’s. I was told WADA didn’t find immediately the contamination in her suplements which were contaminated according to her.
Nowadays anyone may be suspended for something like this, I’m not saying they should set a permissible concentration, but if this small amount gets detected, then they should just test her hair and every supplement and medicine
"When people expect understanding and forgiveness for the times in their life that they've really screwed up, but then give none of that to anyone else" 👏👏
This is what bothers me about some of the reactions from other tennis players. They have no empathy for other players, and a lot of them aren't even looking at the facts. Instead they are just talking out of their asses. I can't tell if its stupidity or if they just want attention e.g. Kyrgios, Shapo
If I was a pro player I would be terrified after this year. I would be standing up for the other players and fighting to get more nuance in the procedure from the ITIA. Because now they can see that these contamination situations can happen to them, and have the potential to completely derail their career. 😓
TOTALLY agree.
Why are substances that DO NOT enhance performance even tested for? This system is out of control and trashing athletes reputations. Get real. Yes, the levels should be much higher. And Kyrgios should STFU and be off Tennis Channel-but they have no values when it comes to women, so…
Andy is right that is crazy !!!!
Thank you for the video.
I'm sitting here and thinking, "Why the hell are they trying to punish innocent players? To satisfy the evil mob? To flex their muscles?"
the "evil mob" are the ones who make sure that all high-profile busts of the last decade don't get punished.
They're not innocent.
the "evil mob" are the ones who never convict anyone for FAILED tests
@@pglanvillethey are innocent, when it’s unknown contamination.
@@pglanville AHahahahhaahHAHAHAHAHAh.
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Completely agree with you Andy. There is also the problem of the governing bodies delaying hearings, etc. for ridiculous length of time as with Halep. Seems to happen when they don't have much of a case.
they set precedent for destroying a career already. the system is completely arbitrary.
This is the only channel that gives the most clearcut solution and explanation about those doping accusation cases. Totally respect Andy for his unbias and insightful reasonning. While I do prefer Gill Gross' channel for detailed match analysis. Andy sees things much clearer and logical. I lost respects to a lot of players after their irresponsible and sometimes toxic opinions (stating with fact checking). To name a few: Kyrgios, Halep, Gasquet, Shapo, Griekspoor.
100% agree A.R.
13:00 Speaking of Yevgeny Kafelnikov and lifetime bans...maybe he should work on clearing his name with any connection to match-fixing. _(look that one up)_
Agree with you is ridiculous!! They should stop to destroy great athletes with their stupid , ignorant rules and laws…
So you think players should be allowed to use steroids and face no consequences?
So doing steroids is perfectly okay according to you? Are you a Carota Boy?
@ nobody here used steroids like you are saying. Don't be an ass!
Nobody used steroids? So Iga and Jannik didn’t get suspended for testing positive for steroids? Pretty sure they did? Are you living in the twilight zone?
@ do me a favor get well-informed because after all these months
Come up with these comments shows that you are just a hater...
agree 100%, for me it's just so dumb they punish for something that doesn't ultimately enhance performance. like they screw someone's life for something so silly
Why would she take steroids if it didn’t enhance her performance? Unless you believe this was an accident and in that case I can’t help you
@ melatonin, you know what it is right
Jj7546 most peds that players take enhance recovery from a 4 hr pounding on hard courts , and that's a good thing that should be encouraged, they don't increase strength. There is a limit to how much muscle is optimal for a player before that muscle decreases performance because of rhe loss of flexibility that the inceased muscle causes . And that limit can be reached very easily naturally. Try to find a top pro 6 ft 2 or shorter who weighs more than 185 pounds, you won't be able to . I'm 6 ft and 190 and have 18% body fat and only take creatine and am 65 yrs old. Any Joe schmo can get the optimal body for a tennis pro naturally, they don't need strength enhancing drugs but recovery enhancing drugs are really needed and should be 100% legal. I don't give a crap if players get caught with recovery drugs in their system if they can beat rhe rap
@@iang8169 tell that to nadal and Alcaraz who had / have huge muscles. But whether it should be illegal or not is a different discussion. The point is they took the drugs on purpose which you seem to acknowledge
Jj7546 Carlos weigh only 165 pounds.. look , anybody who works out semi seriously knows you can get to rafa or Carlos level. Rafa was 187 pounds at 6 ft 1 .I'm 65 yrs old and at 55 my arms were as big as rafa s and I only take creatine .
It's not like tennis has tbis problem because they have 6 ft 220 pound 15% body fat players . At that weight they'd be too inflexible. So there is a disincentive to take muscle enhancing drugs .
Don't know about iga but sinner probably took his RECOVERY ( as opposed to strength ) enhancing drugs deliberately. Why is that a big deal to you. Players should be able to take any drugs that enhance their recovery
The point made by the Wada's president is that probably they are not able at the moment to distinguish between contamination and micro-dosing with the test. I do believe Jannik and Iga but anyone responsible to test should definitely find a way to distinguish between the cases. Ideally by adding more test during the season.
Microdosing those particular compounds doesn’t allow performance enhancing though, so your comment makes no sense.
It's a weird point tho since the basic requirement for micro dosing to be effective is that you take that dose for a long time many times..
In my opinion stopping to trace small quantities is a very bad idea, but modern antidoping has the means to find out if something is off on a long term basis (i. E. Biological passport) so in situations like Sinner or Swiatek they should just wait and see if those small amounts stay on tbeir blood for a long time or if its just a one time thing
@@manuel7102 "for a long time many times" it's not the case because they got negative results on other tests. They were just sanctioned for a single test and this is ridiculous.
@@manuel7102 you don't even have to wait. She never did prior or past. her hair was clear of any banned substances.
They got both tens of negative tests during the year
Through such decisions, any player can be brought down. It was done with Haleb, and now Świątek has been deprived of the chance to defend her No. 1 position. Has she been stripped of the No. 1 spot? I don’t know. Sabalenka was chasing Iga, but without a doubt, her chance was taken away.
Iga qualified for WTA Finals as I remember after French Open, very early, so she didn’t even have to play super good in those tournaments at the end of the year to numer one
Iga is like 1000 behid Sabalenka, She couldnt participate in three tournaments. She lost 1000 points for Bejing. Maybe she would play better in WTA FINALS. She was under big pressure for sure. And she lost 390 points for Cincinatti where she was positive. I believe she would stay number 1. Close but still nr 1.
Testing should be limited to performance enhancement only. The example I camp on is Barry Bonds where he became a bodybuilder after being a stick.
Nobody stays juiced year round. They cycle off on and off the drugs. Think just a little bit
@@jj7546Every top player get tens of test during the year so it's not possibile to do a cycle
The difference in treatment between Swiatek and Sinner, v Halep is concerning. If it is non performance enhancing contamination, it should be short suspension as you suggested.
Obviously the key to doping is to find new ways to do it without getting caught. So methods are changing rapidly. Like with micro-dosing for instance. I'd be willing to bet 99% of tennis fans had no idea people were doing this before this statement. Sl unless you are completely up to date on how athletes are doping (which WADA would most likely want to keep under wraps) we shouldn't be so critical their actions. Things might appear silly to us, but there's a high probability that's only because we have no clue what we are talking about...lol
Microdosing non performance enhancing compounds gives no value, so your comment doesn’t make much sense.
@@bengray5013 I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I was referring to microdosing as a concept in reference to the WADA statement Andy read in this segment. I made no reference to any particular substance.
@ladystarlightnyc so what you're saying is that your ignoring the substances in these particular cases, noted.
u r so right... 👏👏👏
Agree 💯
I agree with you. They need to change the thresholds for violations to levels that actually have an effect. Totally petty bullshit right now.
WADA just has to defend itself. I'm afraid they will ruin Sinner's 2025
I support all the establishments. They absolutely should be investigating, etc. But, they definitely need to all be on the same page. They are very disorganized.
I don’t see Sinner’s case listed on the CAS website for 02/11/2025. There is a hearing for a case, but it’s not Sinner’s.
9:00 Your defense is to have those supplements lab tested for the banned substance. This is what Guillermo Coria did back in 2001 to be reinstated on the Tour. Players need to save a small portion of any over the counter supplements as a contingency in the event this happens.
Iga got the sleeping pills tested in a certified lab in France. That is how she could prove it was the source of the substance. They still suspended her, for the sake of suspension.
The reason to test for levels too low to affect performance is that we want to know what substances are being used to potentially help with injury recovery or promote/enhance strength and durability. 'Clean' has come to mean that the substance you were using between tournaments is not detectable. Look at the Salazar/Nike case where a cream was allegedly used on a family member so that the running team could determine what level/concentration of the substance would avoid detection. You have to test for traces of a chemical or you will miss those who are trying to fly under the radar. So either you test for levels so low that you get cases of inadvertent exposure/contamination, or you risk having some users go undetected. Can't go after the cheats without snagging a few innocents. That said, for high-ranking Grand Slam winners to test positive and not those further down the ladder is not a good look.
I believe the laws on doping should be changed. Athletes are obsessed with everything: food, medicines. This not right. Nowadays , tests are so precise that it’s easy to say someone is doping. Moreover, in my opinion, the responsibility shouldn’t fall solely on the athletes but also on the athlete’s staff, who should also be held accountable to ensure greater caution.
Question: did you ever test everyone who shook your hand? Because all it takes is for them to have touched something illegal, and if you have any cuts, you turn out to be doped as well. What they say here is that no one can trust anyone anymore, not even the companies that make the drugs (because they don't rule out that there could be something extraneous) nor the people you work with. We are at madness, total madness.
Ban them .
So is there something that has changed in these tests that all of a sudden, all these high-performing athletes are testing positive now? What has changed? Billionth or trillionth, what has changed?
what are the banned substance list and policies for other sports like soccer, football, basketball?
They’ve gotta be better than tennis. It’s basically okay to do steroids now. It’s sad really.
Is not as a clear cut or so simple as Andy make it. A nanogram (a billion of a gram) might be a clear indication of doping or just a contamination. You need to ask several questions first;
how fast is the metabolism of the person? how fast is the half life of the drug? what possible routes of administration? could other drugs like diuretics accelerate the metabolism or enhance the effect of the drug? What is the time window between tests? how sensitive and specific are the test? Do you need to have high levels during competition for an enhancing effect? Could the potential doping be use to boost your training and be better prepared? Can a microdosing regiment or in combination with other legal or ilegal substances can have an enhancing effect?
There are limited number of experiments done with animals or humans. But we don’t have the answer to all these questions. In part because the experiment were never done when the pharmaceutical industry created some of these compounds. Most of the time there rational was to create something not for doping.
An accidental exposure is a real possibility in both cases. If we want to move forward then frequent and standard sampling collection are needed. Probably a minimum of 2 per week for top 100 players. only test some in between and storage the rest in case anything came positive to have a clear historical record.
Well said.
Thank you
The compounds for both are non performance enhancing, so Andy is spot on.
@@bengray5013 Clostebol is non-enhancing? You have done 0 research and are a moron lol. 25+ athletes have been banned over the years for that substance
In iga's case they also tested the hair since it stays in hair the longest. It came out negative.
So honestly, iga's case is quite straightforward. It was a huge bad coincidence and her being incredibly unlucky
I have celiac disease which means i can't eat gluten. It is so bloody hard ! even certified products (safe for me) might have an extremely small amount of gluten. even herbs are contaminated.it is extremely stressful and I can't do anything about that. Hard to imagine life with more forbidden stuff like that in athletes example
Andy - how do you think these recent examples stack up against the Sharapova suspension towards the end of her career? Just curious.
Andy has never even attempted to argue the other side to this. That is what’s concerning.
And what would that other side be?.....as both Iga and Jannick did not enhance performance.
Its pretty clear he's a shill of the establishment
@@FlorianaLions Believe the headline and don't critically think, you are one among many sheep in this world. Probably wore a mask in your car also.
@user-sg8xd6tu5u ....so what are you saying cupcake?...,oh nothing....and I didn't bother with the clot shot.... but it certainly seems to have affected your brain....or what's left of it.
He did in previous videos
These types of test results are frustrating. Maybe there needs go be some sort of no-fault rules. Very hard to find the perfect balance of course.
With Jannik out from tennis everybody is going to loose .. tennis channel, tennis tv , sky sport ,tournaments around the world.. wada , I’m going to cancel all my subscriptions and US open next year ? No way … I hope all the entire Italy protest .. don’t flow any money to tennis .. that is the solution . I’m sorry but is very upsetting
Me too, no Jannik no more tennis.
Jannik isn’t that popular. Tennis moves on. He’s not Roger Federer or Rafa Nadal.
@@cleorobynnot famous? Even his love life is always on headline
@@abigail724 not in my headlines. Thank gawd
@@cleorobyn sorry only you 😂!
If the test amount detected is so insignificant it shouldn’t make a difference then don’t classify it as a test failed. However since it was clearly big enough to mark it as a failed test then yes it is significant. People keep talking about sinner’s small amount - it’s one nanogram totally standard
That's not how it works lol, listen to the interview to Olivier Niggli (WADA director general). The same amount of Iga and Jannik a few years ago couldn't be detected. Also it was not a nanogram, but 86 picogram s(1 nanogram = 1000 picograms), totally insignificant
This process is so so flawed. I've hated both of these cases. I'm sick of players getting smeared for creating no detrimental effect to the matches. So ridiculous.
My solution would be that the WADA offers free testing of every batch of supplements. And if you take a supplement, you could send a probe of it to WADA.
The random tests at times like 6:30 am violate the dignity of the athletes though. I am not an athlete, but for me it would not be acceptable that doping agencies know where they could find me at any time. They even know if you have a secret girlfriend, because you have to tell them her address if you stay at her place over night. It also is not okay if a stranger watches you peeing. Athletes should revolt against that.
No matter the the results via ITIA etc, the head lines refuse to report the true - sensationalism to sell your site is all that counts, humans are soooo easily manipulated “TRAGIC”…..
You cannot say a 5-day suspension is adequate though? It’s pretty weak if you ask me. Especially compared to Iga’s 30-day suspension. Also Clostebal is legal in Italy. Jannik’s team was clearly negligent. That’s his fault and he should be reprimanded for that. 5 days is simply not enough.
It's not his fault but his physiotherapist's fault and he couldn't avoid it. But the point is that his performance was never affected. So I agree that is not adequate... because he should get 0 DAYS of suspension.
@ You can’t go around in life blaming your team for your problems. This is why WADA is appealing.
@@cleorobynHow could Sinner prevent the contamination from his physio if he doesn't know that he used Trofodermin? I never had a logic answer for that question, maybe you can fix this
@@scara19 It’s called negligence. Look up the meaning of the word. You cannot just go around blaming others for your problems. That’s not how life works.
@@cleorobyn Ok, you don't have a logic answer. Don't worry, I knew it 👍
Why aren't you talking with so much passion about Halep's case??
Doping in tennis is the biggest mindf&^%. It's either omnipresent, or super rare. Any possible scenario could be true.
Trimetazidine has a half life of 7.8 hours. Seems like a small amount in the system would be very consistent with someone that was using it for performance enhancement. So, to answer the question, I think we do need to be testing to very low levels as these drugs have very short half lifes.
Not the compounds they were contaminated by
this is such trash. it’s 1/billionth of a gram CUZ THE REST WAS PROCESSED!!! The gaslighting here is astounding!!!!
lol you guys are really funny to read, you get so fired up and say stupid things based only on repressed anger😂
Contaminated substances happen. Yes of course. I agree. But Iga got 30 days and Jannik got 5 days. That’s not fair whatsoever. Hence why WADA has appealed. There’s too many discrepancies! The only people who agree with Jannik’s suspension are his fans.
Remember Halep lost two years of her career
@@morapelimokokomali7907 Absolutely I do. I feel the worst for her actually.
@@morapelimokokomali7907 well she doped, intentionally or not. Ignorance of the law does not exempt you from the law.
Nonsense...
@@FlorianaLions Let me guess. You’re a Jannik fan?
I like your podcast Andy. Just one thing, you almost never let speak anyone else 😂. I know it's yours, so maybe stop inviting cohosts :-)
Those lacky player union guys should get some balls and demand action. The money bags are screwing the talent that enables them to earn the money bags. Screw them.
So are we just taking her word for it that it was from Melatonin? How would she know that it was from that for sure and not something else?
I have no sympathy for a tennis player who chose to date a rival tennis player's ex-girlfriend. Sinner is famous and wealthy; was he incapable of finding anyone else to date but Anna Kalinskaya? Come on. Who does that? If Kyrgios had suddenly decided to date Sinner's ex, everyone would be calling Kyrgios a scumbag; but Sinner does it, and no one's bothered by it? Think about it: Sinner HAD to date the ONE person who used to be intimate with Kyrgios? Sinner couldn't hold back? She was THAT irresistible? I bring that up because it reveals the sort of lowlife Sinner is. Who does that? You're the #1 player in the world, and you couldn't fall for anyone else in the whole world? Please. Ah, but Sinner would NEVER lie about doping because he's such a sweetheart who'd never sink so low. Yeah, right.
Intent! There’s a reason you have to prove intent in court.
Wrong. Ignorance of the law does not exempt you from the law. Any clown with a keyboard....
@@BOZ_11 They're not ignorant of the law against doping. They were not conscious of their exposure. Doping is the intentional use of an illicit substance to enhance performance.
Why should we not investigate when we detect something though? I still feel like we should run an investigation if there is something that came up. Substances filter out of people’s systems so we should continue to investigate.
Agreed. But, in Iga’s case, they determined she was innocent and nothing was wrong and they punished her anyway. That’s my issue. With sinner, he was negative then a little positive, then negative. So what’s the punishment for not doping and barely testing positive? Maybe monthly random checks? But suspensions!? No.
Iga even checked her hair.
Makes perfect sense to me that Sinner was doping. He all of a sudden started playing and beating everyone. He was test twice at different times and claimed to not know. His coach Dan Cahill also coached Haley who was charged for doping. Coincidence?
It's bit disingenuous to try to make it that simple. Masking agents could reduce levels of a substance and traces could also mean that the player took the drug allowing them to train harder or recuperate from an injury and let time pass to reduce levels.
Love how none of these former players or analysts ever bring up the possibility of micro dosing. I wonder why 😂😂😂
That's why you have a team that makes sure things don't happen like that and bade to take other things.For calls, she needs to be suspend it when you was playing one of many suspensions.
Both I need to be suspended
Have you ever seen a person got caught with doping and said "yeah I took it deliberately"? Two world number ones tested positive in the same year is unheard of for ANY sport in the history. The argument that only a "miniscule" amount of drugs found in their bodies is nonsense. No cheater is dumb enough to dope right before a test. Im disappointed but not surprised how biased Andy is about the whole situation. He works for TC and Wilson after all.
You’re clueless 😂
If the doping rules are good enough for Brooksby they're good enough for Sinner
WTF Brooksby have nothing to do with Iga and Jannik, he skip 3 antidoping test lol
Andy has no idea about how doping works or he is on purpose trying to deflect in order to not let people believe top players are doping.
I would suggest anyone who things it was just a small amount that was detected so it cannot have been performance enhancing to inform themselves about microdosing. Or the fact that masking agents can be used.
I d also suggest to listen to anti doping activists or experts, and not to a tennis player who clearly wants to save his sports image.
People on here commenting have really no idea about doping, and are naive if they believe Swiatek or Sinner HAVE to be innocent just because they re nice people, good for the sport or came up with quick explanations (and capable lawyers):
Too bad Andy has a clear agenda. but i get it, it would suck for your sports reputation to suffer even more. Most casual sports fans think it is corrupt and dirty as hell!
So facts are sport are very physically demanding and there are a lot of money, so no doping acording to Andy? I dont know, I just asking...
Andy didn't say there was 'no doping ' as that wasn't the point here.
1+1=X
Just solve the equation. Let’s not be naive here. There is a HUGE conflict of interests regarding the doping of the biggest tennis stars.
Anyone remembers fancy bears? What they disclosed about the Williams sisters?
Que curioso que siempre que pillan a alguién dando positivo,se contaminan con algo por ejemplo con una chuleta de carne "Alberto Contador" en un TOUR.Lo dicho no son errores,son tramposos que quieren mejorar su rendimiento artificialmente,por dinero y fama.😊
Stop using the f word. Gets old.
They both #1 for a reason. Could be a masking agent. But andy is a doctor...
What contamination caused Andy to be so hyperactive each time he walked up to serve? (Did he enjoy Djoker's impression of it?) 💥🎾
What’s with all the f-bombs, Andy? Get an education and expand your vocabulary.😅
you are predictable - so no 😂
Tennis is now just a contest of who get get the best dope and have the best excuses. Of course Sinner and Iga are guilty. Every criminal has an excuse.
Thank you! Exactly. Who has the best excuse? Ironically Iga has the better excuse, but yet she got the longer sentence. Jannik just blames his physio and apparently that’s okay he gets 5 days! Like gimme a break! They’re basically saying it’s okay to be on steroids.
You are going to easy on them. Relatively to what bans other players had before (2, 3, 4 years), you are extremely easy on Iga and Jannik.
Were you born yesterday? Each case is different and should have different outcomes lmao
Facts 💯!
This comment is utter nonsense unless you can point to a case that was identical to Iga's that was processed differently.
@@stevenabdelhamid1481 Yeah I understand that, but still the decisions for other players where too evil and too light for Iga and Jannik. (Iga is weird case, ok)
In what world is 5 days okay for a suspension? That’s all Jannik go. Iga got 30 days. How are those two sentences fair? Short answer - they’re not.
All Iga needs is her side buddy therapist to tell her.....just go to sleep.
Sinner is a cheater for sure
Sinner is guilty, he failed twice… ban for 2 years. Iga is innocent.l, they should return her money and rankings points.
Oh so you are the scientist 😂
Agreed. Jannik is as guilty as OJ Simpson. 💯