Ray McGovern on Russia, Ukraine, and Soviet sacrifice during WW2
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CIA Intelligence Analyst (ret) Ray McGovern joined us online to provide analysis and commentary about the war in Ukraine and the relationship between Russia and China. Ray McGovern served as a CIA analyst for 27 years during which his responsibilities included chairing the National Intelligence Estimates and preparing and the President's Daily Brief which he would brief to President Reagan's most senior advisors. In 2003, Mr. McGovern co-founded the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) to expose how intelligence was being falsified to "justify" war on Iraq.
The event was moderated by Edward Curtin. Mr. Curtin is a writer whose work includes poetry, journalism, philosophy and more.
Thank you, Mr Ray McGovern, for remembering. My grandfather fell in the Battle of Kursk in 1943 fighting fascism. We could not find his grave. My grandmother lived alone for 48 years waiting for my grandfather. My father was 10 when he lost his father…
Thank you for sharing.
So sorry for your family’s losses at this important anniversary.
Thank you Mr Ray McGovern
Спасибо, господин Ray McGovern.
Mr Ray McGovern you are fabuloius,you speaks so beautiful Russian,CONGRATULATIONS! @jossiesh7649
@@AnaG-pd3ym Ray is a wonderful man and beautifully expresses what millions of us in the West feel. Slave Russia.
Brilliant lesson of history and how peace could be achieved, thank you Ray.
I am puzzled that when the strategic planers in Washington (Nuland, Brzezinski, Wolfowitz, Bolton, ect, ect.) Trivialized the events of 1941-1945 that Russians suffered at the hands of the Germans, Thinking that this had no effect on the Russian nation? All you have have to do is imagine how Americans would feel at the loss of 27 million lives in living memory.
Isn't it spelt/spelled 'planners'?
Empathy can foster understanding, build trust, resolve conflict. The russo-phobic war hawks you mention don't subscribe to that logic.
These bastards had no war in their land since late 1700’s.. they have never had to fight an enemy in their own country..
@@stuartwray6175 I must agree
Imagine if the Ashkenazi Jews had 27 million killed instead of 6 million?!?!?!
Brilliant service to the global community. Thanks.
Thank you, Ray, for the history lesson.
Thanks Ray for the history we were not aware of. Have a great Independent Day. 🙏❤️🌹🎈
Great recap of the WWII history and their connection to the current affairs. But how many people in US are going to watch this video? Probably under 10 thousand in a few weeks. Still, it is better than nobody and it is a good thing that in US people like Ray still live, people that understand the history and the lessons that were never learned by politicians.
Thanks Mr. Ray McGovern. It's good and it's an education to listen to the facts you are trying to pass on!!
Japan got 2 🍄 Russia have over 5 how much enough for breakfast lunch and dinner 😂😂😂😂
Extraordinary history lesson, thank you!
God bless you 🙏
When Obama made that comment about being exceptional, I said that it didn’t come from a spirit of humility, but from one of bombastic hubris and arrogance. His familiarity with scripture is obviously lacking, for it is written: “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” Proverbs 16:18 (KJV) Look how far we’ve fallen, and are continuing to fall. The hubris of Evangelicals only makes matters worse.
Thanks gentlemen
A very sharp mind. Way ta go , Ray.
Dear Mr. McGovern, as a Serb I fully agree with You
one sane and knowledgeable yank. pity they are so few.
Thank you.
WW2 Not one bombing raid happened in Canada, USA, Central America or South America We have no damn idea what war is ,Civil War 1861 to 1865 is the
closest we came. Compared to WW2 that was a skirmish!
What about the revolutionary war? What about the war of 1812? What about the Indian and French wars?
@@bishopofsahsThose wars are even smaller events. The U.S. has never been pounded in war let alone a modern, industrialized war that first came to being in 1914.
Ray McGovern is a true Patriot & American TREASURE ! ❤❤❤
Thank you Mr McGovern for relating such important anniversaries to us all. I was born in New Zealand in 1944 and had some history lessons about war, but nothing from the honourable Russian history included.
Thank you Ray. Bravo!
Thank you from Sweden. ❤
I'm following Mr. McGovern in UA-cam - his analysis of the current developments is based on deep understanding of Russia, the history of our US-RU relationships and his personal professional experience is the most valuable! Besides, he has a rare feature of patience and readiness to put himself into the counterpart's shoes. Role model for many analysis!
The best history lesson I have ever had thank you
Always a pleasure to list😅en to Mr. McGovern
Внимая ужасам войны,
При каждой новой жертве боя
Мне жаль не друга, не жены,
Мне жаль не самого героя…
Увы! утешится жена,
И друга лучший друг забудет;
Но где-то есть душа одна -
Она до гроба помнить будет!
Средь лицемерных наших дел
И всякой пошлости и прозы
Одни я в мире подсмотрел
Святые, искренние слёзы -
То слезы бедных матерей!
Им не забыть своих детей,
Погибших на кровавой ниве,
Как не поднять плакучей иве
Своих поникнувших ветвей…
Спасибо!
Dear Mr McGovern, thank you, for your analysis!
Thank you mr.ray for the lesson, I hope all the leaders can be wiser in making every decision for peace of the world, building respect and trust between every nation in this world.
Thank You Ray McGovern. It was a beautiful story.
My grandfather fought with the New Zealand division in North Africa, we were part of the 8th Army under various British generals but also under our commander, General Freyberg. We have been taught in New Zealand and Australia of our contribution to these wars, especially in the Middle East in WWII. The 8th Army fought a bloody war in the desert against the Italians and the Africa Korp. It was touch and go for a while but we finally drove the Africa Korp out of North Africa, with the final push having the Americans support us to do this. But all said and done, there were about 8 odd Italian divisions (at their height) of various capability, certainly not all incompetent or cowards, they essentially did their duty. And while the Africa Korp bloody our noses, often in the desert, they essentially had 3 combat divisions, the 15th Panzer Division and the 21st Panzer Division and the 90th Light Division, with other various divisions at times but no more then 3 at their height, a max of 6 German divisions, and well under strength ... the Soviets faced 200 elite combat proven German divisions ... the allies in Europe didn't last long against their formations, thank god the Soviets did, thank you Russia!!!!
Thank you Ray Mcgovern, it is just what you stated as people with reasonable knowledge of history should know to make right decisions. An intellectual lecture of utmost importance!!
bravo Mr McGovern your russian is GREAT !!!!! Gongratulations !!💖💖💖
Sir you are great man you are tell the truth bless you
Ray McGovern is a priceless treasure of Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding... in all earnestness a Giant among Men.... That the United States had many more like him, there are a few, but he stands at the head of the Class.
That last paragraph, in the op-ed written by Putin should be read to a joint session of Congress, and just maybe they would get a better grasp of the Man they have chosen to call an enemy...
Actually Ray its 30millon Russian lost lives
👍
.Wonderful summary of Russian American relations.
Remember the "peace dividend" when the wall fell? So much for that. I blame Victoria Nuland.
Ray McGovern is such a wise man. Thank you good sir for speaking in these dangerous times
Studebaker! 😂 Great story👍
I spoke to a woman who was child in ww2. P39 airplanes were filled with candy when sent to Russia.
Thats the saddest thing I’ve ever heard all the things I was told at school was nothing to the truth
By 1999, the average age at death for Russian men had sunk to 65.5.
Wow
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Открытое письмо внучки солдата-победителя западным сверстникам:
«Если ты выстрелишь в прошлое из пистолета, будущее выстрелит в тебя из пушки.»
Россия не идеальная страна.
Были и есть среди нас ничтожные предатели, националисты, ксенофобы, антисемиты и расисты но их ненависть никогда не сотрёт с надгробных стелл русские, украинские, белорусские, азиятские, кавказские и... еврейские имена и фамилии на разброшенных по всей центральной и Восточний Европе советских военных кладбищах.
Запомните, что в Краcной Армии мы - в отличии от американской - безпощадно искореняли расовую и... "гендерную" сегрегацию. Эти термины не плод умов наших поскольку человечность издавна и есть частью наших культурных ценностей. Не мы а ваши отцы и деды их придумали... только потому, что ваши предкам никогда не была дана возможность унизить сибиряка, калмыка, башкира, чуваша, тувинца, татарина, чеченца... да - уж не дай бог - обидить нашу "бабу". И вам не советую пробовать а то и получите бесплатный ускоренный курс обучения мултикультурализму, расовой терпимости, феминизму и... политкорректности.
Американцы и австралийцы неохотно вспоминают расовую сегрегацию во всех областях общественной жизни, которая просуществовала вплoть до 60-ых годов ХХ века.
Немцы и австрийцы во время пребывания в техаских лагерях для военнопленных никак не могли понять почему белые американцы относились лучше к ним чем к своим чернокожим сослуживцам. Бывшие cолдаты Роммеля пользовались столовой с надписью "Whites-only" даже не догодываясь, что назисты ввели свои расовые законы подражая американским законам Джим Кроу (Jim Crow laws).
Вы обзываете нашу многонацианальную страну "тюрмой народов".
Среди наших политических, военных и научно-творческих элит вы без труда найдёте многочисленнех представителей вcех наших "парабащённых народов".
Oцелевшие от геноцидной политики западноевропейских колонизаторов индейские племена Cеверной Aмерики ирокезы, черноногие, кроу, апaчи, навахо, могикане команчи, сиу... в лучшем случае нашли себе место не на собственной земле а в запущеных резервациях.
Бельгийцы, вы помните Экспо 1958 с выставкой живых чернокожих "экспонатов" из колониального Конго: мужчин, женщин и детей, задачей которых было учить и развлекать белых европейцев и проповедовать идею превосходства людей белой расы. У ограды толпились белые, ухоженные люди со своими ангельскими детишками. Они смеялись и издевались над конголезцами, а самые развязные бросали через ограду деньги и бананы. Этот «человеческий зоопарк» находился не так уж далеко от сегодняшних брюссельских офисов Евросоюза. Тем временем наши советские школники из всех уголков нашей многонациональной страны посещали ВДНХ в Москве. Напомню, что c 1949 по 1991 год в советских вузах получили образование более 500 тыс. человек из 150 стран четверть из них из Африки.
Двойные стандарты Западных СМИ зашкаливают. Где были ваши правозащитники и неутомимые "майданные" корреспонденты "Голоса Америки", "Deutsche welle", BBC и "Радио Свобода" когда в 2014 в Одесском Доме профсоюзов горели люди?
Понятно, если бы тогда в Одессе погибли представители польской, венгерской или - не дай бог - еврейской общин Украины Европа и весь цивилизованный мир yж точно бы не молчали.
Bо время Второй мировой войны вы боролись за демократию, свободу и ваши цивилизационные ценности. Мы на Востоке боролись за б и о л о г и ч е с к о е выживание/существование.
Наши тогдашние враги, немцы, ни в чём "не виноватые" австрийцы и прадеды многих современных европейцев, которые - на свою беду - в 1941 году пришли незваные на нашу землю с огнём и мечом - слишком поздно это осознали.
Как бы ни хотелось западным историкам уменьшить роль Рабоче-крестьянской Красной армии в разгромe Гитлеровской Германии им не удастся обмануть статистику: 75% военнослужащих Третьего рейха и его союзников погибло на Восточном фронте. Думаю, что имменно простые советские солдаты отучили (надеюсь навсегда) немцев, австрийцев и остальных новоевропейцев от милитаризмa и похдoв на Восток (Drang nach Osten).
В Великую Отечественную войну продержались под натиском немецкой машины:
Дания 6 часов
Голландия 5 дней
Югославия 11 дней
Бельгия 18 дней
Греция 24 дня
Польша 27 дней
Франция 1месяц и 12 дней
Норвегия 2месяца и 1 день
Дом Павлова в Сталинграде держался 58 дней
Советский Союз держался 4 года (1418 дней)... и одержал Победу!
You are so damn right and I am just ashamed.
Thank you for this summary
Thank you for the education. All my best wishes to you.
Beautifully written even in the machine translation into English I read. Respect!
That was a good. As an American born in 1952, as I have witnessed the world, I could never be a patriotic American. My first emotion regarding my country is embarrassment. Patriotism could never overcome embarrassment.
My Russian grandmother had three sisters. They were widows. Men died at war. Grandfather had four brothers before war... Grandfather was repairing bombed railroad infrastructure during the war, he had only one eye and didn't fit to be a soldier.
Russians will be always remember WW2!
Great commentary
Strange, he speaks russian with some peculiar accent that is not typical for an American speaking Russian.
He already has an accent. He grew up in the Bronx.
@@stuartwray6175I thougt he was Irish, but I might be wrong.
He is of Irish decent.
In 1990 I thought that life on this world would go on forever since we in the west had won the cold war. Greed and power seeking corporations have taken the dream of a peaceful world. I am sorry but I am now to old and to frail to change what in coming for my grand children.
I thought the Libyan ambassador ratted out the false flag.
27 million was just during the war and may still be a low estimate. The people of the USSR lost somewhere around 65 million to their own government. Estimates vary.
I had friends who collaborated with the Germans when they invaded. Even though they were considered to be subhuman by the Germans, they were treated better by them than they were by their own government. They retreated with the Germans and ended up in the American sector and went to work for the Americans and avoided being sent back to the USSR by the Allies to die in the camps. Evil ruled the world during the war and never lost its grip on either side.
No government seems to end up doing anything but evil while telling you what a wonderful job they're doing. The Russians have learned that nobody is going to totally watch out for them but Putin is the best they're going to get in the near term so they like him. They're a practical people. The idea that they'll let somebody else tell them who to have rule them comes from total ignorance of them and their history. They'll fight for Mother Russia against the whole world if they have to: They have no other choice except extinction.
Hell, Ray, even the generals in the Pentagon have no experience of combat. The were staff weenies.
I made a count. Russia has been invaded at least 31 times in 1,000 years. That's every generation.
Russian is one of the hardest languages to master. Especially, because of the 6 different ways to address gender, definition, and grammar. Accents from such vast territories, come on top of the grammatical complexities.
Ray tries hard, ans comes close.. but needs to become more smooth in his delivery. However, at his age, and for a westerner, he is impressive as a foreign Russian speaker.
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Pantheism revealed Algebraic logic, and appreciating use/s of exceptions/exception nature the way nature does. Oh, but all have only heard original/stayed abridgements, causes of them, and stays of them demonstrated by nature instead still effectively used to keep each blaming other things, blaming other/s, and/or blaming selves for the scientific value of the breaching method/s caused/maintain things and all truths used to screen it, and for lies, and for motives screening for the same, and self-valued. That's what defenses of truths about the Tea Protests used effectively to measure/maintain other communicated for our founders than they communicated to have communicated for themselves.
The Soviet Union never fell apart...We were there, in the middle of it All. The Soviet Union was dismantled by Gorbachov's increadibly stupid policy... dismantled from above, by a traitor, ie Gorbachov and and his ao called opponent Yeltsin...a drunk, that at least had enough final sense, to install Putin...who brought back Russia, from the grave that Gorbachov's Perestroika had pushed in the whole of the Soviet Union.
This wasn't a Soviet failure...but the greatest modern day betrayal of any people's chosen way of life.
Westerners, will do well, to study the events, which murdered the will of the World's most loved system, by the people who lived and established the greatest State, ever run by ordinary people.
Many of us ordinary people, who saw the lights of Communism shining brightly, in the near future, left Eastern Europe... Because we also saw, the corruption of the west sip into our societies...We saw that the Communists in government had betrayed Communist principles, and where not willing to give up their positions to a younger generation of Communists. That was very difficult to accept, even when we understood the old Communist guard...of not trusting new transitions, which me ay lead towards a CIA coup d'etats... across Socialist Europe. In the End, we chose to trust our own assessments... regardless of the dangers. So, we left, ro lands as far away as possible from Europe and North America. I ended up in Australia, which even as a Washington and London concurred land, offered more freedom, when one choose Freedom above Colonisation.
So... today, for most Eastern Europeans in Australia, that lived in Eastern Europe from the 1950's onwards, till the late 70's, when Eastern Europe swolled the bitter Washington pill, of corruption, Socialism and Communism, have never died.
For Us, The Russian Federation is Now, the brighteat star, on the horizon.
Some say in the US...why don't you go and live in Russia...and we reply...If only We can. But we are even banned from visiting the Russian Federation, even for a holiday on Black Sea...where US Atackem missiles murder Russian children and their families.
DISGUSTING. AND JUST SO, TO SUGGEST WHERE WE SET OUR HOMES... When All Washington wants to do is murder civilians in Cold Blood.
_Average life expectancy,_ Ray, is the term you are trying to remember.
If you are an American, Australian, or any other westerner... next time you go to Europe, visit the Russian cemeteries, which hold the bones of the Russian heroes of ww2...then, if you can, visit the Ukrainian cemeteries of the same types of heroes, who defeated the western Nazi scourge. You may find, that the Zelensky regime had destroyed all these graves...of all these Ukrainian heroes that defeated Hitler and his western allies.
This is one of the worst criminal acts, against the incredible effort, and the memory of a whole nation, the Ukrainian people's nation. And why did Zelensky do it? Because his Nazi allies demanded it. And Washington approved All that, in thunderous Silence. That's the Ethical, the Moral degradation of the whole western world... Ruled by Gangsters.. by Nazis, right inside Washington's White House...not white anylonger, not even by any stretch of the imagination.
Ray, the Orthodox Peists who invented the Slavic Alphabet were Bulgarians, not Macedonians. Read up the proper history of Kiril and Metody, boen in Bulgaria, from Bulgarian parents, studied in Greek dominated Istanbul, in the Orthodox church. These were Bulgarian Prists, that first gave the Bulgarians their alphabet, and then spread it across the Slavic world. So, Russians got their written language from Bulgaria .. as did the Serbs, the Croats, and all other Slavs. Later on, the Catholic church, went into Slavic nations, which were colonised by the Austro Hungarian Empire, and canged their true Slacic alphabet for a foreign Latin alphabet...a national disgrace for Slavic people, still today.
Ray is great about today's developments in Ukraine...but his knowledge of Eastern European and Russian history rests on western Propaganda and old films that scewed all of the real history.
For example, there was no such thing as 'The Dark Ages', adter the western Roman Empire fell. Actually, a much more enlightened Eastern European Empire, took over. The Bulgarian Empire lasted longer than the Roman Empire, and was far more enlightened, education focused than the Roman Empire ever was. It was very large, stretching from the Aegean and the Black Sea to the Adriatic coast of Croatia and below. Encompassing the centre of the Capital in Great Turnovo, inclusive of all Serbia, much of Greek territories, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia...and miuch more. Rhe Bulgarian Empire lasted from 678ad until the 1380's. And it wasn't just the most powerful European Empire in military terms, but in most of the scientific and enlightenment of the European development of that time. The conteast, only the Frankish Empire of Germanic tribes in the west, had any military claims in Europe. But in contrast with the Bulgarian Empire, the Francs lacked Enlightenment, and even military power.
US and western education has failed consistently to study the real, true history of Europe, after the Roman world failed. That's why they still call it the Dark Ages. Very poor, indeed. Actually disgusting.
I fell asleep on this guy with the beard is talking and I woke up. And he was still talking.
Poor Ray has lost the plot
If you say so. Lol
What? This is really interesting
@@stuartwray6175 indeed I do. The old guy makes Biden look like a teen teenager..
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Ray McGovern is always worth listening to. He’s one of the few political commentators currently making the rounds that doesn’t have chauvinistic baggage.
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