The Forgotten Event That Put Japan on the Path to WWII
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In the video today, we're looking at an oft' forgotten event which was pivotal to putting Japan on the path to WWII as it played out.
Host: Daven Hiskey
Author: Chris Wheatley
Producer: Samuel Avila
After learning more about the pacific theater pre pearl harbor i'm more inclined to toss out the eurocentric timeline and say WWII started when the Japanese invaded manchuria in 1931. Anyone else feel that way?
Or perhaps when they attacked Korea ?
I'll throw this out there ... think of ww1 and ww2 being one big war with a couple of decade cease fire in between. Started in 1914 with Princip and the Archduke.
@@MrTexasDan I can actually get behind that too. The failure of the treaty of Versailles basically laid the frame work for fascism to rise in depression era europe.
@@billotto602 Yes very good observation; Korea gave Japan a taste for Empire. There is a complex chain of events since then that follows, but Korea is pivotal.
@@MrTexasDan That’s been my take on it for decades.
This wasn’t forgotten by me, I never knew. It’s amazing how quickly the phoenix rose from the flames to become a world power. Thank you for the thorough look into a terrible disaster and its aftermath, Daven!
Amazing combination of earthquake, tsunami, high wind, weather phenomenon , massive fire , fire tornado wooden structure, primitive gas mains ruptured. Then basically race based revenge mass killings of Koreans due to rumors of disloyalty and sabotage. The right wing moves in to fill the void left by dislocated society Norms. What a toxic brew caused by a seemingly natural although deadly event such as an earthquake. Simply amazing.
Look up the Great Lisbon Earthquake. At the time, Portuguese Explorers led the way. De Gama, Cabral, and Magellan led the way across the world. Then while everyone was in church, the quake struck. It was considered a sign from god.
Also not widely known, Japan fought with Allies in WWI. Japan occupied several Pacific islands that were German colonies at the beginning of the war, and got a League of Nations mandate to hold them after. This gave them bases to stage their rapid expansion in WWII
It's even less well known that the Imperial Japanese Navy saw action in the Mediterranean Sea during the First World War. Their cruisers and destroyers were based in Malta.
Japan 🇯🇵 also conquered, and then took over the Imperial German colony of Tsinghua. Imperial Germany invested more into that colony than they did for all of their colonies in Africa!
Dry Dock and other modern naval facilities, railroads and other infrastructure. Factories, and not least the Tsinghua Brewery, still in operation to this day.
The Japanese used this colony to great effect against the Republic of China in the 1930's and 40's.
Japan was allied with the UK from 1902 to 1923..
The allies refusing to acknowledge Japan's aid in WW1 didn't help either. They were not treated well by their western allies.
They didn't get very much out of the war, but they didn't do very much either-At least when compared to the colosal efforts of the other Allied powers. The war was an opportunity for them to help themselves to the Imperial possessions of Germany while the Germans were distacted-Just as WW2 was an opportunity for them to take over territories formerly controlled by the British, French and Dutch. Not that I blame them. Opportunism is a part of state craft. I just don't know if they had the right to feel too hard done by after WW1.
Because they didn't do much.
The Italians weren’t either. Their participation was considered weak,
@@kurukblackflame it was because they were treated as if they were inferior and of no consequence, granted maybe they didn't do a lot but they were treated disrespectfully and not acknowledged at all.🤷♀️
They didn't do much, and they gained a lot compared to what they lost. Japan suffered almost no losses (under 1,000 if I recall) and in return gained almost every German colony in the Pacific (not much, but still compared to what they did...).
Daven! We love you! The man behind the scenes that secretly runs everything!
Simon runs his own shite lol! They only have a one or two channels together.
The Wizard of Oz?
The same traits that allowed the Japanese people to rapidly modernize and then to rise up again after a major
natural disaster are the same traits that can be harnessed for good or evil with huge consequences.
Japan, being a powerful island nation can be compared to the UK in some ways. Both Britain and Japan were
forced to look outward for security and relevance among other nations.
Good friends father fought in the ETO. He made the observation that Honda and Toyota cars are the modern version of the A6M Zero fighter. He's not far wrong.
Was not forgotten by me either, did not know it. Thank you for this intriguing bit of knowledge that helps further stitch together the total timeline of events leading up to and including WW II. Great video, thank you!
Never let a perfectly good crisis go to waste.
Not that this guy is bad or anything, but I’m just too accustomed to Simon that I have low tolerance for any other narrators. Yeah, it’s a “me problem”.
The militarization of Japan was already well underway, as it had been a feudal system before 1853, loosely held together by the emperor and shogun. The earthquake definitely did firmly entrenched the military in control of the country, but only with the blessing and approval of the emperor.
Don’t forget that in between the quake and WWII. There was WWI where Japan sent soldiers to fight on the side of the Allied powers. It was during the formulation of what would become the treaty of Versailles, that the interests and suggestions of Japan were dismissed. In fact, the numerous naval treaties placed the Japanese military in a considerable disadvantage.
@@thefatcontroller9062: Pissy or not. The Japanese government officials have this notion that any rebuff of their suggestions was an attack on their honor.
No no no! You can´t bring up facts that shows that there is some understandible reasons for Japan. That hurts the narrative of USA is alway good and her enemies is alway evil.
@@RiderOftheNorth1968: This was more like the European alliance of Great Britain and France who drove the Treaty of Versailles into trying to destroy Germany. Even the input of US President Woodrow Wilson was ignored as well. However, the Naval arms race was always in the background between the US and the British Empire. The Japanese Empire was almost relegated as a second class commonwealth status nation who depended upon British naval industries to build their navy.
@@jameshanlon5689 Japan was using western technologies, including british, during the modernizing phase in the 1800s after USA aggressive "Trade offer", what´s your point? Japan was, and are, pragmatic and uses the resources that have at their disposal. Why wouldn´t they?
@@RiderOftheNorth1968: My point being that the western world of Europe considered Japan incapable of developing its own industry into a more advanced one without copying the technology of the west. This was to be their mistake that led to WWII. Also, they too wanted to be an Empire just like the British Empire but only in the Pacific.
I can't for the life of me see any part of that script being something to chuckle or giggle at. But this guy must have found this event humorous
Exactly. He sounded like he was laughing a few times and it seemed so inappropriate.
The Japanese recovery from that devastation was impressive. They did terrible things and much of that recovery was on the backs of people they conquered, but still impressive.
Excellent, well researched article about this disaster.
nothing mentioned on their unfortunate adventure in trying to conquer china mainland - they were consumed by that dream, that is a major reason why war in the pacific took place
Listen to "free peoples movement" for the big picture.
Good sir, you are pulling off that Castro very nicely. I feel like I haven’t heard your voice since you were talking about buying a plane on the podcast!
Daven, the power behind the Fact Boi!
Daven, member of the beard guild.
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Except he has nothing to do with the majority of Simon's channels. 🤦🏻♂️
@SLC Punk! Google search... would save you some trouble. This is his UA-cam partner in "crime" that has been helping with TIFO channel for a bit dude...
Your namesake saved you some, can't lie, loved that damn movie.
Damn, Keeps might work a little too well. Simon's hair is looking great 😅
Learnt something so worth my time to view this video. Good commentary. Valid point about how a natural disaster can be manipulated for political gain.
I am a history nut and love it. I usually really like shows like this. As a retired firefighter, I would love to find out why you seemed to find fire tornados so comical that you couldn't explain without the tinge of humor?
Heidemassato--- I too was initially rubbed the wrong way by his giggles at such a catastrophe. I think though, that the unbelievable AMOUNT of super-tragedy heaping on itself became darkly comical. "OMG, that was horrible!" "But wait, there's more." "And MORE!"
Damn. So much history that we forget and, as a result, never learn from. That was really interesting.
Thank you very much for the history lesson and education. And know i understand the events that lead Japan to WW 2 , and why .
That was very informative indeed.
It's amazing what history can teach us, assuming our minds are open to it.
Insightful. Thanks!
How could you laugh ' while recounting such horrifying events
Holy smokes. No idea this happened. Crazy.
Your presentation is good but the laughter, out of nervousness I'm sure, is a problem considering the number of deaths.
Thank you for using the word "exacerbate" correctly.
I hate the fact that such a mass destruction an death, the host is chuckling as he talk about the event.
Well lt's like holy crap, what next. They couldn't cut a break. That's kinda why he was chuckling.
Fascinating analysis. Also, I love Japanese culture and history.
This is all news to me. Thank you!
Well no wonder godzilla always takes Tokyo down. Place can't help but falling apart all the time.
Even as late as the Kobe earthquake in 1995 many of the deaths were caused by traditional Japanese houses featuring whaleback trusses and heavy roof tiles.
Thats a very good tie in. Maybe so , maybe not, but certainly very well possible.
Why is it snowing on the photographs?
extraordinary
This is a marvelous historical revelation to me. (Preface I am not in any way anti-American and want desperately for the US to break out of its present suicidal course) Starting to make much more sense that Pearl Harbour may have been an example of let a problem to a solution manifest to not waste a good disaster. The solution was re-colonialise Japan (through war) to get access to the rest of Asia (as previously intended), can't say that that hasn't occurred. Tactically the situation in Pearl Harbour looked laughable for someone gearing up for (at least trying to) war. On the other hand without Pearl Harbour my country would have been slowly walked all over by Japan with America most likely uninterested in helping us out (no strategic economic value and still the case). Anyway I'm getting ready for Asian Empiricle mania V2, white flag ready, my guns already taken away over 20yrs ago.
I take it you live in the land down under.
Thanks
One could argue that the Spanish civil war 1936 to 1939 was already a prelude to the cold war, the fight between two totalitarian systems, communism vs fascism.
Millard Fillmore - a president who should not be forgotten
Thanks.
Extremely interesting video. It's no secret that Japan didn't like being "opened," to western trade by Commodore Perry and his fleet of American warships. Perry's actions were so unamerican in nature. I have often wondered what was in the minds of American leadership at the time? As I think about it today. It seems likely that the entire series of events was orchestrated by the British commonwealth. Japan was extremely fortunate that it wasn't a British invasion fleet. Today I am inclined to suspect that had Perrys force, NOT been sent. A Royal Navy operation would have taken place. Especially as the United States was poorly equipped at the time for foreign adventures. Especially as the "west coast," of the United States was to a very real degree, effectively isolated from the far more heavily populated eastern United States.
British diplomats quickly secured Japan as an ally. So Japan was opened for trade. Trade the British empire, was far better positioned to profit from. This made the commonwealth the friend and America the enemy of Japan. Allowing the commonwealth to exploit the situation in two ways.
1. Perry's actions would cause all kinds of political controversy in the United States. Already teetering on the edge of civil war. Further alienating the Southern States.
2. Japanese leaders were quick to appreciate how far Japan had fallen behind in technological and military terms. Setting up an "upstart," power as the focus for Japanese displeasure. Meant that the Japanese would be working hard to undermine American interests in the western Pacific region. While trading with very helpful commonwealth business men.
Clearly much of the "western influence" in Japan was far more British than American. Influence that tended to die as a consequence of the events related here. It also explains why Japan's allied status with Britain. Changed so rapidly afterwards. As soon as Japan's industrial capacity to build modern warships was established? Japan was suddenly no longer an ally of the Commonwealth.
See James Clavel's SHOGUN for an up close view of feudal Japan.
I don't what the reason is but the narrator seems to find the horrors associated with the earthquake a little amusing. If you are dealing with a natural catastrophe it's probably better to restrain your delight
Exactly the comment I was going to make. So inappropriate. Interesting information, but any loss of life deserves respect.
It's not amusement/delight at the horror, it's the incredulous laughter associated with the sheer number of terrible things happening at once. It just keeps on getting worse! Half waiting for Godzilla to turn up!
It's the "Our pets heads are falling off!!!" element. Not laughter for humor. Laughter at the absurdity of events and they just kept getting worse and worse. Who had "fire tornado" on their disaster bingo card? We have a whole video over on our sister channel todayifoundout about why people laugh. But the relevant point here being the vast majority of times humans laugh it is not because we think something is funny, contrary to popular belief. Most of the time it is these sort of short "ha-has" for a variety of reasons. -Daven
"It wasnt forgotten by me" lol, what a line
One of those things where if you weren't laughing you'd start crying
Extensive loss of human lives has never been anything to laugh about.
@@heru-deshet359 oh , then what about the loss of a single life..is that laughable?
either way he was def laughing while explaining how ppl died
@@PastInNumbers either way you Dec need to get over it
The earthquake was *one* of the factors leading to heightened Japanese fascist extremism... the society was already poised for it in a lot of ways even without the quake. To say that Japanese society may have taken a different course without the earthquake is... wishful thinking at best. Japan was drifting willfully towards imperialism the entire time, as evidenced by various factors pointing at that going back a couple decades, at least, prior to the quake. A huge natural disaster was just another--albeit significant, maybe--factor.
The treatment of Korea displays the early beginnings of overseas Japanese imperialism.
We were restricting their access to oil.
These events in 1923 were indeed a major turning point in Japan. As far as leading to WW2, you're missing a critical component, one that nearly all historians cite as the major starting point of conflict between Japan & U.S.
In 1910 or 1912, the US, England, and (maybe) France wrote a treaty with Japan that, among other things, had Japan agree to limit the size of their ocean-going ships. Mid-size and smaller. This meant no oil tankers. This was because the US & England wanted the oil. The Japanese gvm't at the time was OK with the benefits they got from the treaty. 10-15 years later, the new rulers didn't like it and ignored it. That's why the US 6th Fleet was sent to the Philippine shipping lanes to blockade Japan's oil shipments coming from the Indian Ocean area (including firing on the Japanese Merchant Marine). After a few years of angry but useless talk between Tokyo and Washington, that's why Japan attacked the 6th Fleet at Pearl Harbor.
That treaty has a name, is in the historical record, look it up.
By your logic, the "visit" of Perry's "White Fleet" in 1853 caused Japan's entry into WW II.
Fire tornadoes are not that uncommon in large wild fires, I have seen several.
The word "debris" is from French, and the S is silent. It is pronounced "de-BREE". I AM AMAZED that you do not know this.
These comments… don’t see Simon, have no idea this is his boss/partner… RAGE!!!
WOW! What a catastrophe! Very educational video. One tip though; maybe don't giggle as you describe horrific death and destruction. Other than that, great job!
Yeah, I noticed that too. What was that about?
This guy LAUGHING while recounting the most gruesome portions of this event speaks to a presentor and director too callous to do a simple retake. Very sad commentary indeed.
So, you are just goin to overlook the whole treaty problems after WWI and blame it all on an earthquake…..yea, right…..
Interesting analysis of how events though separated by generations are linked in the collective consciousness of the society. I see this in the UK, our Empire reached its geographical peak in 1935, but WW1 had damaged the UK's ability to hold onto this Empire, WW2 sealed its fate and in the 50's and 60's it fell away, and we became a post Imperial power without much purpose in the world other than supportive of the USA in the Cold War. Western Europe had realised cooperation was far more productive than aggressive competition. We were late to join, as we still had Altantiasis leanings to the USA and former colonies, and by early 70's it was a clear economic rather than cultural push to join the European project!
However, the nostalgia for the echo of Empire was still there, and in the wake of the 2008/09 financial crash and several years of right-wing austerity, the isolationists and exceptionalists saw that they might be able to effect a separation from Europe, they did manager that by a small margin that many say it was by the manipulation of democracy not its adherence. So, we are back to the 1970's again, a declining GDP and increasing social difficulties. History has shown that our Imperial past has cast a shadow over the generations.
The subsequent fire bombing of Japan had the same effects except for tremors
I have always viewed Pearl Harbour as Japan's reaction to Commodore Perry's attack on them in 1853. It was not just a show of force: his ships also fired 73 cannon on the pretext of celebrating US Independence Day and did many things contrary to Japanese instructions, such as sending boats out to survey the coast.
Facts and fiction mixed together. Good enough for the uninformed, I suppose. Bizarre that this commentator finds such natural disasters so amusing. Too numerous to call it nervous laughter.
I agree 100%
Close your eyes and imagine Stewart Hicks. At least, they are similar.
“Fire tornados! Lol!” 👀
0:23 RIP Matthew Perry
Another point to note that if America had just left Japan alone at the time it forced it to open its doors, Japan would not have been as strong as they were during the second world war and possibly not been able to partake in it!
If the US hadn't "opened" Japan, someone else would have a little later.
The guffawing is particularly jarring to me.
Confusing choice but fascinating episode, I'll never complain about a highlight history upload though..
I love Japanese history and it's hard because he barely learn our own history here LOL 💖✔️ lake Japan so much that I'm even learning the language.
The 1923 Great Kanto Earthquake comes up in Japanese TV and movies as the difference between "then" and "after." In the popular 15-minutes-every-day "morning drama," "Oshin" (1983-1984), the construction of the Tanokura clothes factory ended in destruction, debts and the end of a let's-take-a-chance-on-the-future outlook. Leaving Tokyo for the Tanokura family estate, Oshin returned to the work-hard-every-day-for-next-to-nothing life she had endured before her marriage. Eventually, this branch of the Tanokura family relocated to the seaside, as the next one-step-at-a-time chapter resulted a fish wholesaling business. Military contracts led to prosperity in small steps, by the start of World War II. It was "back to the bottom" life after World War II for Japan. Starting without her husband and a son, Oshin and her family embarked on another slow path in life to the Supermarket.
huh?
@@guaporeturns9472 Imperial Japan's horrible acts across Asia were reason to avoid "Made in Japan" products. This "15-minutes-at-a-time" TV "morning drama" about a working class girl just after the turn of the 20th century changed minds across the area. It's a "peasant level" view of Japan that struck a chord among common people, and even created new language. (In some countries, "oshin" describes a lowest-social-class person.) Basically, the leaders went crazy with Power, while ordinary people were swept up in the madness.
@@Otokichi786 ok
@@Otokichi786 I WAS WATCHING THIS IN THE PHILIPPINES IN THE LATE 80S, ITS A PITY IT WASNT COMPLETED, RECENTLY DOWNLOADED THE SERIES BUT HAVENT STARTED VIEWING IT AGAIN...I CAN REMEMBER THE SCENES OF HER ACCOMPANYING A JAPANESE ARMY DESERTER WHO LEFT HER HIS HARMONICA , AS WELL AS HER FRIENDSHIP WITH THE LADY KAYO
The Soviet Japan Non Aggression pact forced Japan to look at the Western Colonized Asian outposts.
WHY is this guy giggling describing the fire tornado & people perishing in this catastrophe?? Is he just nervous or does he think any of this if funny? He giggles in extremely inappropriate times through this.
With or without the earthquake the elements leading to Japan's fascist militarism were present and the reaction to Western imperialism was inevitable. Also, it's not accurate to say that Japan fought alongside Nazi Germany as the alliance was little more than an agreement on paper.
I agree those two wars had little to do with each other in military teaching I was in the Army.
He is laughing because its so insane. It’s like everything could happen did happen. The only thing missing is Godzilla. I see why he is laughing.
Ffs thank you, first one I've seen using the ol' grey matter ❤
Laughter isn't always humor, can be disbelief and even nervous uncontrollable like some people who chuckle to truly bad news being delivered.
Godz got fried by the fire tornado, that’s why 😂
The Tokugawa shogun's name Ieyoshi starts with a capital I (i) not an L, so it's Ee Eh Yoshi, not Lay Oshi.
6:20 I don't think laughing when telling this story is really appropriate. I doubt you would find a fire tornado funny if you ever encountered one in real life. My own reaction was, "Oh my god, that thing is going to burn me to death."
They are scary AF.
Eric,
As an EMT, I've had a few victims/witnesses laugh when telling me the events of what happened. They weren't laughing at the events. The events were just so horrible their mind did not know how to react, so they laughed.
As a firefighter, I responded to a barn fire. The barn had been used to store cardboard and flammable liquids (read one hell of a fire). It created a small, but impressive, fire tornado. One of the fighters on a neighboring department got hit by it. Although he was only in it for a couple of seconds, his injuries proved to be fatal.
Fire tornadoes and tragic accidents are no laughing matter. But sometimes, that's what happens when people are faced with such horror.
Why are you laughing throughout this video while talking about disasters killing people?
The laugh during the fire tornados bit, odd. If it's a nervous laugh, fine, I get it, nerves can that. Still though, do a retake, as just come across as unprofessional on a serious topic.
Throughout the video it seems like disbelief and trying to get a grip on the scale of it, and the one at the traveling salesman was the only one that kind of came off outside of that, maybe it was the who in the chances of the scenario? Agreed though, give room for a cold read, nerves and the absurdity of history, at no point in any of Daven's hostings has he come off as a proponent of finding humor in mass loss of life and property 👌
Sounds like a pissed-off God to me!
Disagree entirely. During the unified effort post WWI to rescue the Czech Legion down the Siberian railway and then by ocean from Vladivostok, Japan instead split off to grab a new colony on Lake Baikal. When the US and Europeans pressured them to give up the new colony, Japan's military clique had a hissy fit. Made worse by the fleet size ratios in the Naval Treaties.
Sounds like similar fissures witnessed at the Port Royal earthquake... Getting eaten by a fissure = bad way to go... I almost gotten eaten by a crevasse on Mt. Rainier once... in a place where there are seldom crevasses...
Why is this narrator laughing while describing these horrific events?
Just as a point of reference 33 million square meters is 12.7 square miles. Just short of the original firebombing raid on Tokyo destruction
I love the way History is taught to us.....whole segments never mentioned or deliberately removed/denied.
I learned info about Japan and WW2, in High School, four decades past, details STILL not a public event.
...as compared to most of what is known being completely DENIED by the Belligerents of the War, as does
the internal history of Japan, by its own Historians.
Damn, Japan can't catch a break.
Japan blamed the earthquake on the western influence. How crazy they can be? But they adopted western ideas , weapons and went on the warpath!
Sounds familiar
bro is literally laughing while explaining how people died
This perfectly explains why Japan didn't surrender after the Hiroshima A-Bomb. 'Is that all you got, Yank?"
Hey, do you know that if Pearl Harbor had not happened, we might not have been able to declare war against the Axis (Germany, Japan). It's funny how we had radar but didn't seem to try and stop the Pearl Harbor attack! Did you also know that over 70% of our ships that were damaged in the attack, were repaired within the year.
I think it was like "Japan will probably attack us somewhere and we'll use that to get us into the war" vs directly "hey radar guys ignore what you see."
@tomarsandbeyond Nope! Logistics friend. Pearl is 3000 miles closer to Japan then the USA. Also, we had pur main Pacific fleet there. Where else would they have attacked? San Francisco???? Oh, and the people manning that radar called the sighting in. Funny, they were told it was our planes! How would they know what planes they were?
@@johncipolletti5611 Because a flight of B17's were also do in at the same time
@WestPac-ny9vi Wasn't that just convenient. See, here's another reason to make people believe a possible lie! Did you forget the other convenient things that happened? Can you say where were all the aircraft carriers?
Earthquake 140, 000 deaths and the loss of 2 major cities. The effects of the atomic bombings killed between 90,000 and 146,000 people in Hiroshima (the higher number about the same as the number of deaths from the earthquake) and 60,000 and 80,000 people in Nagasaki; roughly half occurred on the first day. Had they not taken out their imperial aspirations on Pearl Harbor, or religious interpretations whichever prevailed, the second set of devastating events could have been avoided. I do get tired of people acting as though the USA acted in a vacuum when dropping those bombs. As if we had not just crossed the Atlantic and fought two megalomaniacs and three countries to free several nations at our expense. On TWO continents, Europe and Africa. Russia helped a little at the end. We were now pivoting to do even more brutal warfare island to island across a different ocean scooting Japan out of Korea, (remember the aid we rendered after this earthquake?) and China who does not seem to have remained grateful either. There are still veterans from those wars alive. We were running out of supplies and men . The bombs ended a war we could not drag out. And instead of expecting the vanquished to do the majority of war reparations WE rebuilt Europe AND Japan. The Philippines, some of the other islands in the Pacific. Australia was a staunch ally. Great Britain. New Zealand. Poland.
Sadly, Japan's invasion of Korea in 1910 didn't result in an immediate response by the Western world, to protect the Korean people and prevent successful aggression.
My goodness, what a confluence of horrible events!
More people died during the fire bombing of Tokyo, than the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Very few people know this, but it is true. Curtis LeMay said that had we lost the war he would have been tried as a war criminal. Even worse, the Japanese stubbornly refused to surrender despite having been cut off from all supplies that had been coming in from their colonies. More Japanese died of disease and famine than any of the bombing they suffered. Rent or purchase Miyazaki's Graves of the Fireflies and you will see.
I would have edited out the inappropriate laughter when thenarration is describing the violent, sudden and horrific death by immolation. Glee? Mirth? what do you call the tone of voice employed? I'm not a woke reactionary. But I must speak for decorum and civility. I'll watch a couple more videos before I decide about subscription but this was a swing and a miss with me.
DOUG out
My great grandfather went with Perry to Japan in 1854-55 aboard the USS VANDALIA. Japan was always a militaristic society.Before and after the 1922 quake, they were xenophobic in the extreme. Their racist attitude was not just against the West, in fact they that that Korean, Okinawans, and Chinese were barbarians and subhuman. The People of Japan are a great people with many very admirable virtues. But, Governments almost always are composed of tyrants.
What about the Dutch in Nagasaki
In my opinion, IF Japan had avoided attacking the US and instead turned all efforts toward the Dutch East Indies (and their oil), I doubt the USA would have come into war. I even doubt the British would have declared war. Only the attack on Pearl Harbor broke the isolationist attitude that was very strong then. They also could have gone after Russia and I doubt anyone could have or would have done anything.
I knew about the religious taboo and the earthquake. I didn't know exactly how it all went down, interesting view.
I do know America denied Japan steel and oil during the fighting in Europe and Hitler took advantage of their anger and talked them into attacking America with big promises of sharing the world. You can't leave that out if you want to tell the whole story.
1:20 It's Ieyoshi, not Leyoshi.
It was the end of the naval agreement with the British, and the new London Naval Agreement of 1929, between the USA and Britain, that sparked the change in political direction for Japan. New limits to their naval strength, dictated by the USA and Britain, and also the correct perception that the USA was a future threat, caused Japan to have to take a more independent path.
In 1931, Manchuria WAS NOT part of China. It could just as easily have been occupied by Russia. Japan needed it for resources, but was also a better ruling power than the Chinese communists turned out to be. The rise of communism in China was a major concern for the Japanese in the 1930's. They wanted support from Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists to help defeat Mao's communists, but instead, Chiang Kai-shek, and the USA, chose to side with the communists against Japan.
Now look where we are.
On the issue of Chinese communism, Japan has always been correct in it's mistrust and hatred of this ideology.
By the way, Roosevelt was a Democrat, and he also wanted to spark a war with Japan as an excuse to get involved in the European war, which was a politically unpopular idea in the USA at that time.
@The Fat Controller What a stupid comment. Japan is in close proximity to Russia, Korea and China. The USA is thousands of miles away from anyone, but wants to control everything.
Japan's concerns in the 1930's were extremely serious and justifiable.
The USA just wanted to extend it's influence everywhere, and was the aggressor. They actually had pilots and military planes flying in China in the 1930's, but under the Chinese Nationalist flag. That's a bit like a proxy war, a precurser to what they have done in Ukraine.
The USA always were an evil empire, like the Chinese communists, wanting to control every region and parameter that they can get influence over. The proof of this is the current disastrous state of the world.
okay, seriously, why the frik does it keep sounding like he's laughing while talking about the "fire tornado"? does he think they're made up or something?
never actually heard them called that before weirdly enough "flame cyclone" has a somewhat different ring to it and applies to the effect whether it's happening in a scale of campfires or forest fires, and yes, they can get absolutely massive to the point where they really are better classified as a weather system. they can be made in the space between your hands held juuust so and scale all the way up to filling the entire region between pressure zones.
Guys... it's extremely common for folks to laugh for several reasons outside of pure humor or amusement including being nervous and straight up coping with the absurd level of tragedy. Just let the host display a bit of genuine humanity.
We don't know how many takes it took for him to get through it, his actual feelings of the events, and the other unknowns. In this case I think its best to give him the benefit of the doubt
Or he could just stop laughing about a serious topic, there was nothing stopping him from doing a retake. I'd love to see your opinion if he was laughing about 9/11 or whatever your country's biggest tragedy was.
@@slcpunk2740 If he did I wouldn't respond negatively because I can't know his intent and it's proven that there are several reasons people laugh in uncomfortable situations.
I'm a black guy from the U.S.-- Slavery isn't "funny" but I sometimes laugh at the absurdity of a country founded on "freedom" having second class citizens who couldn't vote and an actual slave class of people who were regularly raped and tortured.
It's uncomfortable, tragic, and absurd. Sometimes all you can do is laugh at it.
@@ReflectionEternal2 but you're not recording a video, that's called a retake ... hosts don't just start laughing in a professional documentary about a serious topic, that's just lazinesa, I don't care what you do or think, the host is just supposed to read the script not inject their own discomfort into it or whatever.
@@slcpunk2740 I wanted to discuss this more but after re-reading your replies, they read like someone who just wants to win an argument. I'm here to discuss, not argue.
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Your Reply 1: "I'd love to see your opinion if he was laughing about 9/11 or whatever your country's biggest tragedy was."
My Response (heavily summarized): "I wouldn't mind because I don't know his intent or the surrounding circumstances. I can think of tragedies that I could laugh at due to the absurdity of them."
Also Reply 2: "but you're not recording a video, that's called a retake"
Takeaways:
Non-sequitur: The question was about my feelings on if this video related to a topic that directly affects me or group's history; not about if I was the one recording it.
Goalpost moving: Instead of acknowledging that others can see things differently before conceding and moving on, you immediately added another condition to your argument against my PoV.
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Also your Reply 2: "I don't care what you do or think"
Takeaway: My answer doesn't conform to your expectations so you dismiss it even though you're the one who asked for the opinion.
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I never said that you need to like the dude's video or withhold criticism; there just isn't a point in assuming malicious or negligent intent without knowing the circumstances.
@@slcpunk2740 who said what the host is “supposed” to do? Dude can do whatever he wants , it’s his video and his channel… maybe you should go cry somewhere else.