Anubis can melt through ulting Hades even when he stands in it. Or Ku (what I call The Delete) ulti. But Hades is hard to balance with minor changes. Since he started out as a guardian, then he needs a full rework and change his kit entirely. Hades gets little tweaks but HiRez is trying to keep it as original as they can, that's why he has so high def when he ultis.
@@tom4163 Anubis has quite similar ulti with both being locked into 1 spot. Yes, Anubis ulti does much more dam, but then again he does only in a small area compared to Hades' whole circle. But only Hades gets def boost. As I said, Hades needs full rework away from his old guardian kit. Ravana has the same problem (but less noticeable), with going from warrior to assassin and the kit staying the same with only number changes (lower sustain higher dam). I wish that when HiRez changes god from one class to another then they wouldn't just change numbers in their abilities but would rework them. Take Vulcan, sure not perfect but he had 2 abilities changed when he went from guardian to mage.
Hades main problem isn't his numbers, it's his clunky and slow animations, they can fix his balance issues by scaling him down and changing his firing speed
I believe hi rez has been doing the type of design you suggest and it honestly ruins the game little by little. A character should have clear strenghts and clear weaknesses. For example, the scylla buff that she recently recieved makes her from a character that shouldnt have preassure at all but a monster late game to a decent early game goddess with a monster late game. Thats what i like about Hades, he is THE lane bully, but he lacks in teamfights outside the ult. If hades would have a weaker early game and also a stranger late game he would be more generic and, for that, less fun. I really think that the way to go with god buffs is to make their strong parts strong enough so they are appealing to sacrifice their weaknesses. I dont want kali to have a better mid game, i want her late game to be so dangerous that it is worth to sacrifice preassure. I dont want scylla to clear AND burst late, i want her to HURT LIKE A TRUCK but need to passively farm for 20 minutes. This things give characters uniqueness.
Another thing that is annoying when playing with hades is that his 1-3 abilities have a not so insignificant delay/cast time. For an in your face, ability based Mage, this can get you killed very often. Want to silence a wukong before he can bull through/tiger you in close quarters? Hades sticks out his arm, throws his little smoke effect, but you can get Cc'd before the silence begins and your ability was interrupted . Want to dash through kuzembo dash? He grabs you as your head is poking through the ground. Want to detonate to deal big damage and heal back up as you are surrounded by enemies? Hope they don't cc you over and over as your hades attempts to hit the ground with his stick for the 7th time. Individually these small delays/cast times are just annoying. Together in a team fight? It can be infuriating trying to get your kit off against cc heavy teams. And this effect is amplified ten fold with any sort of latency.
Hades ult should get something like Odin's ult that damages people who jumps over it. Or maybe nerf the duration/damage a lot but reduce the cooldown, so now he has a less powerful ult that he can use more times during beads/aegis downtime
keep the damage and cooldown, give him scaling from 0,5 to 1,5 cripple on the first duration of the ult doesnt solve beads but that thing is the all-solver of the game, i dont think that meant to be solved. if anything the damage can be lowered, like hell wtf is this sucking hard af pillar
I have been a Hades main long before his Solo Lane potential has been noticed, as much as I am happy to see Hades getting so much attention and gameplay, you're right. Hades just sees way too much early game power and becomes a menace to the rest of the enemy team especially if there is no anti-heal. My personal changes for Hades would be: 1. Remove the extra Protections from his Ult but in return his Ult can now inflict cripple similar to Cupids ult before detonation, this removes one escape option but opens the possibility to kill him before he kills you. 2. His blight passive no longer reduces power on those afflicted and gives bonuses to his other abilities, instead it acts as a DoT effect that deals 3% of his total magic power per tick for 5 ticks, this can endorse Hades to use his basic attack and 1st move offensively more to proc the blight. 3. His devour souls has a slightly increased area of effect, but it no longer does extra explosive damage or healing to enemies and allies and is now purely base damage(NPCs and Players) and base healing(Players only), this could reduce his early game potential because he can no longer fully heal off of one lane of minions and only gets a bit from the ability and whatever health steal item he has. 4. Allow his 2nd ability to only inflict silence, no more possibility of fear, and inflict a small amount of base damage (like 25/40/55/70/85), this allows the 2nd ability to act as a shutdown to channelling abilities and as a tiny bit of extra damage. 5. Remove the 1st ability's blight proc and instead make a wider Area of effect, those caught in the centre are not only damaged but rooted for 0.25 seconds, outside the centre would take less damage and are instead slowed by 10%. this is just my personal opinion, no need to take it seriously.
People have been playing him solo for the longest time lmao. Idk what this dude is on about. It's like they said in the video. Hades is either in or out of the meta but people kinda just play what they see in comp. Though even then, Hades has been in meta for a good amount of time now. Couple months I think actually.
I'd like to see a complete rework of Hades. His abilities don't really scream "King of the Underworld", even though I like his kit. Plus, as others said, it's hard to balance him because he's either dogdoodie or Best Solo in the Game bar none.
Hades abilities don't even make sense Why does he have a silence? Zeus is the one who has been shown stealing powers Where's is bident? (Basically a trident but with 2 prongs instead of 3) Where's his helmet of invisibility?
honestly i'd like to see a rework like full on. he can pub stomp especially in solo, something along the lines of unleashing the dead like ah puch (sorry for spelling) or hell even a class change with a rework.
Personally I've had an easier time with dealing Hades as Cern in Solo. With a bit of lifesteal I can sustain myself against Hades and use the dash to escape his ult.
@It's Just Me no all I said is that cern doesn't help your team in team fights. You also probably would get camped all game because it's an easy target
in my opinion hades is the single most frustrating god in smite, maybe is because i don't really play stuff that counter him, but when i'm in solo i'm always warried that i will have him against. He always feels like there isn't much to do against. The only thing i feel i can do is just start rotating before him and hope that the other player is dumb enough to letting me play as a second jungler for free.
You didnt even mention how his 2 doesnt work properly. Instead of the fear making someone run away from him it sometimes just spins their camera around and has them run in a random direction, which is usually right at the hades. Its disorienting as hell.
i think they should add some sort of burst damage on the ult if targets are blighted, and also they should remove most of the prots that hades ult gives him so that you can use it more as instant burst and not be reliant on using the whole ult, and then also if you do decide to use the full duration then you are way less safe because you don't have as much prots
Low skill easy counter gods are essential to the foundation of smite, new players get an easy god to learn on, and seasoned players know how to shut the god down preventing them from running over lobbies at higher ranks. Eventually you play new gods that aren’t as easy to shut down. Just don’t let them be meta or worst possible picks, and just let some gods be tailored to the casual/learners playing arena or joust.
Yeah, the Hades problem isn't with his wildly specialized kit, its with the fact that he was meta in high elo. When an easy to shut down god ends up running lobbies in high elo something has gone terribly wrong.
Reduce his ults base damage and give it a cripple so the gods that have jumps need to use beads if they want to just get out for free, but it is overall less punishing when beads isn't up. I feel it is incredibly frustrating when a characters 12 second cooldown ability 100% counters an ultimate. Remove the 10% mitigation and reduce protections slightly in exchange for block stacks equal to the gods hit by the ults initial damage so that he is rewarded for big ults, but can still be focused down by the whole team if they coordinate. I like the idea in the vid for the 3 alteration.
Mages start with like 32 protection at level 1 and gain 1 or so per level. So another math video with math and info being wrong? Example Discordia: she starts with 38 magic protection and gains 1.2 per level making her defense at 20 be 62. In the gameplay hades has no magic protection built and has 62 base magic protections at 20. his ult does not do basically true damage. So your calcs are again off. Pillar also only removes protections if blighted beforehand. Let's assume they are and its max level. damage would be per tick: (100*(105+.3MP))/(61-30+100) I'll use the magic power of 653 with 2 stacks of bancrofts at the time of the hades build before fire giant as the damage base here. I will also be using Nu wa mitigations at level 19. (same scaling and base as discordia) meaning each tick does 229.69 damage vs 300.9 "true damage" or about 23.7% mitigation. Strong as all hell still but more wrong math based off of wrong information. Now this obviously doesn't account for other protection reductions etc to damage but again check information before posting.
characters having strengths and weaknesses add to the identity they've got, I'd say Hades could use some minor laning nerfs, but reworking his kit entirely would feel wrong, it's a very simple kit with easy execution and it's easy to counter for it
What if instead of him gaining defense with his ult, he can throw his alt to another area and gains no defenses. He would still be rooted as a way to counter balance the ult while casting it but no defenses, and it becomes slow kill confirm ult, or just a CC ult still that he can throw out for his team rather then having to dive in for it. Maybe even make the circle a little smaller. Idk how to change the 3. Maybe just take away the healing of minions? Maybe just make a damaging ability? Idk. At least he would still have his kit mostly and not be too boring to fight or too broken/useless (however you look at him).
0:20 Hey, no need to be nasty. Some men appreciate it. :P But in all seriousness... I find it funny how "The Big 3 of Greek Gods" are all mages but Hades is the one that just can't find himself in a good spot. I wish he could've been a legit Guardian/Support god.
Needing movement or CC immunity to deal with some ultimates is part of what's wrong with Smite wanting most cooldowns to be on a 90-100 second cooldown. Characters with no dash/jump/CC-immune abilities need beads to deal with Pillar of Agony and that shouldn't be the case of its cooldown is less than a third the cooldown of beads with a max cooldown Hades. Characters should be allowed to have ultimates that easily kill people if they don't have answers, but there needs to be more time in between to give those answers to come off cooldown. Hades ult should be around a 110 second cooldown.
I really doubt they'll do a significant rework after giving him a recent tier 5 skin. Probably just adjust numbers and change ability effects if need be.
Something is wish HiRez would do to old gods instead of numbers up is removing some of the clunk. Some abilities have a weird wind up before the fire like Camazots 2 or Anhur 1, and some abilities like Neith 2 lock you into a long windup and are easily interruptable. That makes Unravel extremely risky to use in a fight. Then you have Gods like Ishtar who power creep the crap out of other in large part because they don't suffer those problems.
I personally like ability windups, it adds a layer skill and make the pace of the game a little slower. I hate when i'm playing League of Legends or something and some champion just vomits all his abilities instantly because of no cast times and you just die
@Tiagocf2 I think it is good on certain characters, but there needs to be a big payoff for it. For example Hera 2/Polymorph. It has a long windup time, but it has long range so you can position yourself and stay safe, and it also is a very powerful damage and CC ability.
@Tiagocf2 and part of what I was mentioning with Cama and Anhur I didn't explain well. The biggest problem isn't the delay. It is that the animation doesn't read or sync well with when the projectile is actually fired. Anhur is a lot better now because they actually did go back and change this, but Cama has the same issue still.
pretty sure they are steadily going thru and doing this sort of thing like they did with ullr axe a while back and various other htings like ymir wall being able to remove it etc, they cant just do it to all gods tho because there is so many and they need time to make more mediocre skins and boring adventure / slash modes
I think hades is fun asf but alot of ppl don't know how to fight as him or with him. Totally an aggressive pick that needs you to not only push the fight but secure kills. Yea people can get out of your ult but you really are only using it to burn either enemy leap/dash/immune ability or their relics. After that keep the pressure up since they tend to dump everything on hades (damage mitigation lets him shrug it off mostly) making them easy picking for the team.
Hades should, for me, Come back as a guardian and get a full rework: -the 1 and the 2 don't change, they already are ok as guardian ability -the 3 will only prock 1 Time per target, but if passive is up, it will be a root (logical with the animation) -The damage on his ultimate would be heavaly reduced, but will grant an aditional damage and protection bonus for Ally or having a stun at the end (or but less good, cripple ennemies) in order to encourage teamplay Hades would become a very agressive guardian rellying on his passive prock on ability to create devestating control on enemies
Hads has always been like this. The thing that would balance him once and for all is this 3 beeing able to hot only a MAX of 3 targets. Then you can ajust more based on that.
I avoid solo lane like the plague. I've had a Mulan assassin in solo Lane snow ball the game with 27 plus kill and less than 7 deaths twice in 2 days. Even with everone have anti heal.
this is all not even including his 2 second silence and his crazy cooldown reduction on his ult, as well as the power reduction his passive applies. So much random stuff on this god
I still am of the opinion Hades deserves a full rework (while they're at it redesign him too, I'm tired of having generic WOW necromancer Hades when his brothers are pretty spot on representations of the actual Gods), ideally into a warrior and give him his signature Bident
Well Poseidon's ult is a Kraken which is actually a Norse thing not Greek but there was a Wrath of the Titans play in like the 60s or 70s that made everyone think Krakens were Greek lol.
@Hi, I exsist. outside of the Kraken (which itself is a pop culture reference) Poseidon and Zeus look like what you would expect their myrhology counterparts to be, Hades lacks his Bident, his helmet, and anything that makes him recognisable, you could put Hades' model into World of Warcraft and he would not look out of place which is a poor and generic design choice for such a big mythological figure
I only play guard Hades (dipping into warrior if the meta dictates) and I NEED to apply blight off of basics. All this dmg talk I do not Care about as I usually only get one dmg item eaCh matCh.
I think Hades is one of those gods where he should get an entirely new kit and the old kit gets handed down to another god while being converted back into a Guardian with the necessary changes, like how Hun Batz and Kuku were done. I know a ton of people will say 'they don't do that any more' but it is something they did and it was pretty successful. Handing down kits is a good way to freshen a god while keeping it in the game. Another option would be having a god have basically two kits you could chose between before a match. That will lead to some confusion but you wouldn't lose anything. If I had to make changes to Hades it would be toning down the Ult by stripping the damage mitigation and some of the protections, I would remove them by 20s until you get a good spot. I would change the passive and make the extra effects part of the ability baseline, its not like its going to change anything really. I would remove the area heal from the 3 making it a self heal only, it may be interesting to have something like if you'd over-heal yourself it might spread out but that might be better suited on another god. To me it doesn't quite make sense why it heals everyone, I'm not aware of anything in his lore to suggest he could heal people maybe with Persephone's help but that is kind of stretch. With those changes he should be more manageable in the early game by having sustain but no minion heal so he won't instantly win lane.
Giving a god 2 kits wouldn't do anything to fix the problem. If you think hades kit should be changed giving him a second kit to pick from fixes the first kit just as much as adding an entirely new god to the game would fix his kit.
As a hades Main with 20 stars and was a gm for 1 split. Yes he’s easy to play but he’s also very easy to counter. Half the gods in the game can dash out of his ult. Just learn how to lane against him, don’t stand in wave. Build anti heal and focus him in team fights and he becomes useless
Picked Hades up in s8 when it became clear he wasn't going to receive any major changes. Got Master's playing almost exclusively Hades until diamond. Just proxy farming like crazy amassing level advantages and threatening mids regularly. Finished most splits top 3 Hades NA
I've always loved Hades, hardcore hades main since beta with tens of thousands of worshipers on him...but the man's ult really is such a mess. You could catch 4 people in his ult and be in a winning position to fuck on them, but the hunter had beads so they took 1 step outside and got to free kill you instead of dying. If the man isn't all but damage immune durring his ult, it would really do nothing even if you were using it on enemies without beads, aegis, or a jump. I love the duality of the ability, kinda like Ares shackles, you either use it well or get fucked. Kinda wouldn't mind Hades ult working like a minor ult like Merlin without the stance swap. Every 20 seconds you can Hades ult, but it gives only minor protections and CC immunity. Nerf his lane damage vs minions a bunch, but leave his god damage untouched or even raise it. Force minion and camp agro onto him within a massive range when he ults, so camps can roam from their initial locations to him in the jungle and body block enemies and help him draw them in for a blight bomb. That's my suggestion anyhow.
As a hades main in solo conquest … he could use a overhaul. Considering that he is designed to stomp lane and push his advantage it limits his design Personally. I Would like him to not fall off a cliff late game while not being as oppressive early game. A power shift in other words Hades 4 is fine imo. Considering all the mobility in the game and how he is forced to sit still. Lowering his defenses in his R would make it very… meh. The issue with hades are his 1 being garbage with its speed, his 2 being the only late game thing he offers (other than his R) and his 3 being overloaded. Long story short: I want a overhaul where he still is super strong early while not being a auto win in lane.. while not falling off as hard. And the only way to do that is to change passive, 1 and 2 and reducing the base dmg/healing on his 3. His R is the only thing that I would argue should be left alone. (You could remove the pen if you wanted though.) I want hades to always be known for being a bruiser style mage (which we need more of.. that’s why I was excited for Tiamat at first.) with healing and a rather oppressive early game. That’s just his identity. As long as that stays roughly intact I’m fine with whatever they do
I think it's pretty fine to have God's like Hades where they're very good in the right conditions. If you don't have your teammates pressuring out beads then your ult kinda sucks unless you're the one pressuring beads for your teammates. Again that's not even counting dashes that can easily get out. Playing Hades also does require some game sense. A lot of players smash locking in Hades but they don't know how to position nor do they have any game sense. They just think, Hur dur I'm Hades I'll run in an ult. But then they easily get blown up through ult or after. It's pretty similar to how dominant Arthur is/was but if they don't have solid game sense then they really don't matter too much.
Just play a better game mode than Conquest? Than Hades wouldn’t be so OP via the over abundance of minions? jk But then again most of my match history is Assault so…
honestly hades is fine atm mainly due to how many gods absolutely negate his ult through the use of slow immunity, sprint, leaps, beads and sanctuary. his 3 only does insane damage if the enemy is near their own wave, which you also need to heal, if you get ganked outside of the lane or are attacking with no enemy minions around (which is often the case) you arent doing nearly as much dmg as you would otherwise. his basic -> 2 -> 3 combo is great for 2 seconds to get the 5% reduction from his passive, silence and fear them and do some damage to the enemy, however this can be negated with beads as the whole combo falls apart if theyre not silenced. lets not even mention the crazy amount of anti heal absolutely negating any god that has any sort of healing, it means that you as hades wont have the sustain needed to do a full ult on the enemy as a lifesteal build just isnt doing enough anymore. he and nike (both of whom i main, i got a gold star on both :D) suffer from the same issue. the original idea (that being hades guardian) wasnt good enough anymore due to meta changes, the first rework being great and the game evolving past that kit or unintentionally buffing it further.
I love hades. He was my first main and my first diamond. He will always be played by me on solo or in joust just because he is so special to me. He's fucking cool.
Ya Hades just needs a whole new kit simple as that. Change all the close range stuff to actual mage abilities with range and there you go. But the way he is now is full close range meaning they needed to keep his procs(ult procs especially) and 2 to help keep him alive in melee range combat. Kinda like Zhong in a way both are tanky in their own right but its needed to actually get their damage out and have the possibility of living. I have always since his move from guardian, wanted to see him changed to a regular ranged mage. Could keep his 1 as an escape that's fine, but now add in an ult that maybe is like a soul vortex that he can summon under opponents at a mid range and make it just do damage or less damage but cripples like a big pos 3. His 2 and three could be a combo ability that the player wants to hit to do max damage just like any other mage. At the point of reworking his kit they would have to think of making him cookie cutter (like above) or completely new in which case it would take more work and time. Either way I am a Hades main and Ill play him any way hes made regardless if hes good or not.
@@brandflakes22 Its what makes him different and fun to play but alot of why people hate him is linked to him being close range. One way to fix that should Hi rez want to is to make him a traditional mage.
As someone that plays hades i could poke so many holes in this entire video but frankly i don't think i need to because anybody that plays hades would know any argument i would make. Still entertaining though even if most of it feels like you had 1 bad match against a hates and now you want him nerfed. I will say though i'm getting really tired of people complaining about hades ult being tanky. He is so tanky because he can't dodge. Chaac can move, hades can't. You can't miss any damage on him unless you are stupid. Chaac can still juke while ulting.
i may be biased but i have been playing him sense i started smite back before he was a mage long before that i cant remember exectly when but i think it was around season 1 or maybe beta hard to remember that far back at my age or rather lack of age i am currently 22 so i was pretty young when i started playing smite and i am pretty sure steam only counts how long ive played it on steam not when i played it before, anyway back on topic i like him and his kit i have maned him and have him at 3 stars cant say i am a master with him anymore but i still play him, i liked him more in support but thought he needed a buff then personally, and i mean really this is just for me not the game as a whole, ide like to see him go back to being a guardian.
Am I one of the few that really doesn’t have any trouble against hades?😂 is he annoying yes but he falls off so hard late game, I feel like the people that struggle against him are the morons who don’t get anti heal or if your playing a character that doesn’t have an escape or cc immune ult. Get anti heal and late game he gets shredded is super predictable and it doesn’t matter how much protections he gets during his ultimate just focus him he is pretty much a free kill every time he ults.
This god has probably one of the strongest kits in smite, he just lacks range… as a mage, his abilities take long to cast and he lacks good items. This god has been probably the best solo laning phase god for years now but his late game is horrible. Antiheal counters him hard, he’s an all in mage so if his combo doesn’t kill he just dies himself unless he has insane peel, and he has no good items. Bancrofts claw made this character good since it basically almost gave him another half health bar and it could be used with book of the dead and book of thoth for another huge shield to the point where you had to break through 2 health bars just to kill him. There’s a reason why the people who did play him before banc claw would build a defence item or two with bumbas, he needed the CD resets to get multiple combos off or just use his 2 multiple times because that ability is ridiculously strong.
Well, Hades is EZ. 1. You have someone who is badass with Hades and Slays 2. You don't have someone who is badass with Hades Instead, he will get Slayed 0/30/5 and everyone hates him on his Team.
Isn't the whole "either you have your relic up or die" true of a bunch of god ults though? Hades has 3 outs, whereas a lot of others only have 1, usually being beads.
Idk they’re pretty stupid to add flat pen to stacking items. Devs balancing makes me think a group of 5th graders could balance better. Still no glad shield nerf. Somehow soul eater is still meta… Emps armor completely broken.
People are trying to counter Hades by picking WARRIORS or GUARDIANS in solo and then going tainted steel first item. This will never WORK. Hades does extremely poorly against other mages with escapes and ADCs. Which aren't hard to pick in solo. Hades cooldowns are extremely high, he needs to be in your face to put his damage together and the moment he misses his 2 or the wave moves 2 inches from where it's supposed to be then Hades loses everything he has going on for him. The moment Hades dashes, hits a hunter with his full combo and is forced to rely on his autos then Hades loses the Auto Attack battle against a hunter with sustain and mobility who can keep getting away from range. I'm a Hades main since he first came out, so these weakness are fairly obvious to me. Hades is one of those characters people treat as being invincible but the moment you play as him you notice the flaws and that people out of fear just let you get away with it. If I had to pick a character that does great against Hades at all times of the game (in case you need that) is Chang'e. Chang'e recently got a buff that makes her hit minions easier, she has a lot of movement speed in her kit, anti heal, an immunity and a stun. All things that Hades hate. And during wave clear you can both hit the wave and Hades to move the wave in an awkward spot so it can't insta clear the first levels. Instead of crying about Hades, I think lecturing people about Hades weaknesses and strengths would help more. Hades hasn't gotten a single buff since 2021, it's not that Hades got stronger, it's that the itemization became more in his favor and people refuse to adapt around it. Like I said, he seems invincible, but the moment you play him you realize the holes poking out of him.
some people say build anti heal will be easy ok i had two anti heal and did not do any shit and was damaging him it beyond broken when aphro was broken they nerfed her so fast why they are leaving hades like this do not know
just nerf is disgusting dmg reduc so that he actually becomes nukeable for an ability that ezclaps a whole fricking team if were thinking about dotas 2 hero enigma hades spins it completely out of proportions enigma literally does the same shit as hades, but A) needs 1 item to be immune to stuns B) deals no damage and CCs for the same amount of time C) has 0 damage reduction for the duration or after D) NEEDS ANOTHER ITEM TO JUMP INTO THE ENEMY TEAM, but ofc hades has in inbuilt jump hades R is literally 4 skills in one and extremly busted at it, nothing you ever say and do will change the fact that is his R is massively broken and this is also the reason hes permabanned in ranked
Hades is broken. I was in a game against a solo hades the other day in which I built 3 anti healing items and tainted steel and all of my teammates built anti heal and yet the hades still absolutely demolished us. I think our teams highest damage was something like 20k while the hades was at 70k. I even built ankh for his ults but it just didn't matter at all. Hades ruins the game
People escape hades alts all the time most don't even have beads they just jump out of it if they got it u act if hades is the most broken God I wouldn't consider him s tier but A+
As a ah Puch solo main in diamond who obv knows way less about the game then u, I am able to explode wave in 1 burst so I can out clear hades and just ult his ult :>
It’s so funny too cause if you say anything about hades being a problem on Reddit or Twitter they lose their minds defending this man. You can say he’s a problem but the community just associates as you saying they’re op. It’s like nope I’m just saying he makes the game super boring and inconsistent.
Hades needs to be a guardian again and next his damage into the ground and remove the mitigation on his ult since he would have 3,500 hp and 250 each protection anyways.
Hades is so cool. He guarantees a boring laning phase for both he and his opponent then either steamrolls or falls off a cliff.
Just play Arena.
@@emiliomarbanjr no
@@emiliomarbanjr arena hades is fun conquest hades is boring af
Joust hades is peak
@@cman35375 true
Anubis can melt through ulting Hades even when he stands in it. Or Ku (what I call The Delete) ulti.
But Hades is hard to balance with minor changes. Since he started out as a guardian, then he needs a full rework and change his kit entirely. Hades gets little tweaks but HiRez is trying to keep it as original as they can, that's why he has so high def when he ultis.
Anubis is irrelevant in higher elo and kuku is pretty niche as it is :/
@@tom4163 Anubis has quite similar ulti with both being locked into 1 spot. Yes, Anubis ulti does much more dam, but then again he does only in a small area compared to Hades' whole circle. But only Hades gets def boost. As I said, Hades needs full rework away from his old guardian kit. Ravana has the same problem (but less noticeable), with going from warrior to assassin and the kit staying the same with only number changes (lower sustain higher dam). I wish that when HiRez changes god from one class to another then they wouldn't just change numbers in their abilities but would rework them. Take Vulcan, sure not perfect but he had 2 abilities changed when he went from guardian to mage.
Yeah but it’s Anubis
I like how he didn't even bring up the cool down reductions :)
@@siimtokke3461 Neither Hades or Ravana need kit reworks. It's ok that Hades isn't like other mages. Not every mage needs to feel the same.
Hades main problem isn't his numbers, it's his clunky and slow animations, they can fix his balance issues by scaling him down and changing his firing speed
True, and he’s a very close range mage. Bancrofts claw made this god viable since it finally gave him a good item, that huge shield was insane
@@matthewcochrane9499 they also shrinked his 3 when they changed his role from support to mage
@@DmytroBogdan he used to be a support?
@@amritmanhas2630 "support" yes a long, long time ago
Agreed.
I believe hi rez has been doing the type of design you suggest and it honestly ruins the game little by little. A character should have clear strenghts and clear weaknesses. For example, the scylla buff that she recently recieved makes her from a character that shouldnt have preassure at all but a monster late game to a decent early game goddess with a monster late game. Thats what i like about Hades, he is THE lane bully, but he lacks in teamfights outside the ult. If hades would have a weaker early game and also a stranger late game he would be more generic and, for that, less fun. I really think that the way to go with god buffs is to make their strong parts strong enough so they are appealing to sacrifice their weaknesses. I dont want kali to have a better mid game, i want her late game to be so dangerous that it is worth to sacrifice preassure. I dont want scylla to clear AND burst late, i want her to HURT LIKE A TRUCK but need to passively farm for 20 minutes. This things give characters uniqueness.
Another thing that is annoying when playing with hades is that his 1-3 abilities have a not so insignificant delay/cast time. For an in your face, ability based Mage, this can get you killed very often. Want to silence a wukong before he can bull through/tiger you in close quarters? Hades sticks out his arm, throws his little smoke effect, but you can get Cc'd before the silence begins and your ability was interrupted . Want to dash through kuzembo dash? He grabs you as your head is poking through the ground. Want to detonate to deal big damage and heal back up as you are surrounded by enemies? Hope they don't cc you over and over as your hades attempts to hit the ground with his stick for the 7th time. Individually these small delays/cast times are just annoying. Together in a team fight? It can be infuriating trying to get your kit off against cc heavy teams. And this effect is amplified ten fold with any sort of latency.
Yea any good player just starts throwing their cc at their feet and can completely take you out the game😭🙃
"Look at the glorious size of this syringe!"
- Not me wanting to play this skin now hahaha
Hades ult should get something like Odin's ult that damages people who jumps over it.
Or maybe nerf the duration/damage a lot but reduce the cooldown, so now he has a less powerful ult that he can use more times during beads/aegis downtime
That would just make him more broken, the damage isnt really the issue
@@moomax8649 Exactly, the issue is his cc which burns aegis and beads if u have no leap ability.
Lower the cooldown? Are you insane?
keep the damage and cooldown, give him scaling from 0,5 to 1,5 cripple on the first duration of the ult
doesnt solve beads but that thing is the all-solver of the game, i dont think that meant to be solved.
if anything the damage can be lowered, like hell wtf is this sucking hard af pillar
@@c_f0rce lower the cooldown but lower the overall damage and duration, so you have a minor version of the ultimate but more often
I have been a Hades main long before his Solo Lane potential has been noticed, as much as I am happy to see Hades getting so much attention and gameplay, you're right. Hades just sees way too much early game power and becomes a menace to the rest of the enemy team especially if there is no anti-heal.
My personal changes for Hades would be:
1. Remove the extra Protections from his Ult but in return his Ult can now inflict cripple similar to Cupids ult before detonation, this removes one escape option but opens the possibility to kill him before he kills you.
2. His blight passive no longer reduces power on those afflicted and gives bonuses to his other abilities, instead it acts as a DoT effect that deals 3% of his total magic power per tick for 5 ticks, this can endorse Hades to use his basic attack and 1st move offensively more to proc the blight.
3. His devour souls has a slightly increased area of effect, but it no longer does extra explosive damage or healing to enemies and allies and is now purely base damage(NPCs and Players) and base healing(Players only), this could reduce his early game potential because he can no longer fully heal off of one lane of minions and only gets a bit from the ability and whatever health steal item he has.
4. Allow his 2nd ability to only inflict silence, no more possibility of fear, and inflict a small amount of base damage (like 25/40/55/70/85), this allows the 2nd ability to act as a shutdown to channelling abilities and as a tiny bit of extra damage.
5. Remove the 1st ability's blight proc and instead make a wider Area of effect, those caught in the centre are not only damaged but rooted for 0.25 seconds, outside the centre would take less damage and are instead slowed by 10%.
this is just my personal opinion, no need to take it seriously.
Wait, players just realized how good he is as a solo ?
People have been playing him solo for the longest time lmao. Idk what this dude is on about. It's like they said in the video. Hades is either in or out of the meta but people kinda just play what they see in comp. Though even then, Hades has been in meta for a good amount of time now. Couple months I think actually.
I'd like to see a complete rework of Hades. His abilities don't really scream "King of the Underworld", even though I like his kit.
Plus, as others said, it's hard to balance him because he's either dogdoodie or Best Solo in the Game bar none.
Hades abilities don't even make sense
Why does he have a silence? Zeus is the one who has been shown stealing powers
Where's is bident? (Basically a trident but with 2 prongs instead of 3)
Where's his helmet of invisibility?
Imo his abilities make a tiny bit of sense if you think of him as an actual warden rather than by the moniker. Which is what he actually was in myth.
honestly he really need thoses deffence buff on ult because holy crap thoses hunters hit like trucks late game
Played Hades to Masters in s8 he did not need those ult buffs
Well that is what they are meant to do… ever played league? Hunters legit two shot hell I’ve seen a one shot in that.
Well that is what they are meant to do… ever played league? Hunters legit two shot hell I’ve seen a one shot in that.
honestly i'd like to see a rework like full on. he can pub stomp especially in solo, something along the lines of unleashing the dead like ah puch (sorry for spelling) or hell even a class change with a rework.
You actually spelled it right lol
Hades ult feels useless these days, he just melts to enemy damage i almost thought his protections were completely removed in last update.
Personally I've had an easier time with dealing Hades as Cern in Solo. With a bit of lifesteal I can sustain myself against Hades and use the dash to escape his ult.
Then you are completely useless for your team
@@teriiyaki_god solos don't need to be tanky dude
@@CFallescence no one said you had to
@@justvee1835 he's saying that
@It's Just Me no all I said is that cern doesn't help your team in team fights. You also probably would get camped all game because it's an easy target
in my opinion hades is the single most frustrating god in smite, maybe is because i don't really play stuff that counter him, but when i'm in solo i'm always warried that i will have him against. He always feels like there isn't much to do against. The only thing i feel i can do is just start rotating before him and hope that the other player is dumb enough to letting me play as a second jungler for free.
You didnt even mention how his 2 doesnt work properly. Instead of the fear making someone run away from him it sometimes just spins their camera around and has them run in a random direction, which is usually right at the hades. Its disorienting as hell.
Hades fear always make you run in the direction you are facing always
i think they should add some sort of burst damage on the ult if targets are blighted, and also they should remove most of the prots that hades ult gives him so that you can use it more as instant burst and not be reliant on using the whole ult, and then also if you do decide to use the full duration then you are way less safe because you don't have as much prots
Thoughts on putting hades back to guardian class?
Low skill easy counter gods are essential to the foundation of smite, new players get an easy god to learn on, and seasoned players know how to shut the god down preventing them from running over lobbies at higher ranks. Eventually you play new gods that aren’t as easy to shut down. Just don’t let them be meta or worst possible picks, and just let some gods be tailored to the casual/learners playing arena or joust.
Yeah, the Hades problem isn't with his wildly specialized kit, its with the fact that he was meta in high elo. When an easy to shut down god ends up running lobbies in high elo something has gone terribly wrong.
I am totally fine with a character that is either trash or very strong, especially in ranked, where counterpicks are crucial
Reduce his ults base damage and give it a cripple so the gods that have jumps need to use beads if they want to just get out for free, but it is overall less punishing when beads isn't up. I feel it is incredibly frustrating when a characters 12 second cooldown ability 100% counters an ultimate. Remove the 10% mitigation and reduce protections slightly in exchange for block stacks equal to the gods hit by the ults initial damage so that he is rewarded for big ults, but can still be focused down by the whole team if they coordinate.
I like the idea in the vid for the 3 alteration.
kuzenbo actually counters hades in solo lane so I have no issues with him
Dope, kuzenbo solo goes unbelievably hard sometimes.
Mages start with like 32 protection at level 1 and gain 1 or so per level. So another math video with math and info being wrong? Example Discordia: she starts with 38 magic protection and gains 1.2 per level making her defense at 20 be 62. In the gameplay hades has no magic protection built and has 62 base magic protections at 20. his ult does not do basically true damage. So your calcs are again off. Pillar also only removes protections if blighted beforehand. Let's assume they are and its max level. damage would be per tick: (100*(105+.3MP))/(61-30+100) I'll use the magic power of 653 with 2 stacks of bancrofts at the time of the hades build before fire giant as the damage base here. I will also be using Nu wa mitigations at level 19. (same scaling and base as discordia) meaning each tick does 229.69 damage vs 300.9 "true damage" or about 23.7% mitigation. Strong as all hell still but more wrong math based off of wrong information. Now this obviously doesn't account for other protection reductions etc to damage but again check information before posting.
characters having strengths and weaknesses add to the identity they've got, I'd say Hades could use some minor laning nerfs, but reworking his kit entirely would feel wrong, it's a very simple kit with easy execution and it's easy to counter for it
What if instead of him gaining defense with his ult, he can throw his alt to another area and gains no defenses. He would still be rooted as a way to counter balance the ult while casting it but no defenses, and it becomes slow kill confirm ult, or just a CC ult still that he can throw out for his team rather then having to dive in for it. Maybe even make the circle a little smaller. Idk how to change the 3. Maybe just take away the healing of minions? Maybe just make a damaging ability? Idk. At least he would still have his kit mostly and not be too boring to fight or too broken/useless (however you look at him).
0:20 Hey, no need to be nasty. Some men appreciate it. :P
But in all seriousness... I find it funny how "The Big 3 of Greek Gods" are all mages but Hades is the one that just can't find himself in a good spot. I wish he could've been a legit Guardian/Support god.
Needing movement or CC immunity to deal with some ultimates is part of what's wrong with Smite wanting most cooldowns to be on a 90-100 second cooldown. Characters with no dash/jump/CC-immune abilities need beads to deal with Pillar of Agony and that shouldn't be the case of its cooldown is less than a third the cooldown of beads with a max cooldown Hades. Characters should be allowed to have ultimates that easily kill people if they don't have answers, but there needs to be more time in between to give those answers to come off cooldown. Hades ult should be around a 110 second cooldown.
I don’t even get to experience his ultra bs bc he burst me down with his 1,2 & 3.
I really doubt they'll do a significant rework after giving him a recent tier 5 skin. Probably just adjust numbers and change ability effects if need be.
Something is wish HiRez would do to old gods instead of numbers up is removing some of the clunk. Some abilities have a weird wind up before the fire like Camazots 2 or Anhur 1, and some abilities like Neith 2 lock you into a long windup and are easily interruptable. That makes Unravel extremely risky to use in a fight.
Then you have Gods like Ishtar who power creep the crap out of other in large part because they don't suffer those problems.
I personally like ability windups, it adds a layer skill and make the pace of the game a little slower. I hate when i'm playing League of Legends or something and some champion just vomits all his abilities instantly because of no cast times and you just die
@Tiagocf2 I think it is good on certain characters, but there needs to be a big payoff for it. For example Hera 2/Polymorph. It has a long windup time, but it has long range so you can position yourself and stay safe, and it also is a very powerful damage and CC ability.
@Tiagocf2 and part of what I was mentioning with Cama and Anhur I didn't explain well. The biggest problem isn't the delay. It is that the animation doesn't read or sync well with when the projectile is actually fired. Anhur is a lot better now because they actually did go back and change this, but Cama has the same issue still.
pretty sure they are steadily going thru and doing this sort of thing like they did with ullr axe a while back and various other htings like ymir wall being able to remove it etc, they cant just do it to all gods tho because there is so many and they need time to make more mediocre skins and boring adventure / slash modes
@@Tiagocf2 sorry but I don't think Hades 3 needs to be as slow as it is especially if it's his only main damage abiljty
I think hades is fun asf but alot of ppl don't know how to fight as him or with him. Totally an aggressive pick that needs you to not only push the fight but secure kills. Yea people can get out of your ult but you really are only using it to burn either enemy leap/dash/immune ability or their relics. After that keep the pressure up since they tend to dump everything on hades (damage mitigation lets him shrug it off mostly) making them easy picking for the team.
Didnt even mention how broken his 2 is
And still very accurate
not anymore, with the Dr you fear someone for like 0.1 seconds
Hades should, for me, Come back as a guardian and get a full rework:
-the 1 and the 2 don't change, they already are ok as guardian ability
-the 3 will only prock 1 Time per target, but if passive is up, it will be a root (logical with the animation)
-The damage on his ultimate would be heavaly reduced, but will grant an aditional damage and protection bonus for Ally or having a stun at the end (or but less good, cripple ennemies) in order to encourage teamplay
Hades would become a very agressive guardian rellying on his passive prock on ability to create devestating control on enemies
Hads has always been like this. The thing that would balance him once and for all is this 3 beeing able to hot only a MAX of 3 targets. Then you can ajust more based on that.
I recently was doing conquest matches with my friends, and they told me I should use someone I don’t play in solo. This man is fun as hell tbh
Tainted steel: Allow me to introduce myself
I avoid solo lane like the plague. I've had a Mulan assassin in solo Lane snow ball the game with 27 plus kill and less than 7 deaths twice in 2 days. Even with everone have anti heal.
this is all not even including his 2 second silence and his crazy cooldown reduction on his ult, as well as the power reduction his passive applies. So much random stuff on this god
I still am of the opinion Hades deserves a full rework (while they're at it redesign him too, I'm tired of having generic WOW necromancer Hades when his brothers are pretty spot on representations of the actual Gods), ideally into a warrior and give him his signature Bident
I fully agree
Well Poseidon's ult is a Kraken which is actually a Norse thing not Greek but there was a Wrath of the Titans play in like the 60s or 70s that made everyone think Krakens were Greek lol.
@Hi, I exsist. outside of the Kraken (which itself is a pop culture reference) Poseidon and Zeus look like what you would expect their myrhology counterparts to be, Hades lacks his Bident, his helmet, and anything that makes him recognisable, you could put Hades' model into World of Warcraft and he would not look out of place which is a poor and generic design choice for such a big mythological figure
What are the 3 direct hard counters to Hades mentioned around the 5:05 mark?
He mentions specifics at 3:15
I only play guard Hades (dipping into warrior if the meta dictates) and I NEED to apply blight off of basics. All this dmg talk I do not Care about as I usually only get one dmg item eaCh matCh.
I think Hades is one of those gods where he should get an entirely new kit and the old kit gets handed down to another god while being converted back into a Guardian with the necessary changes, like how Hun Batz and Kuku were done. I know a ton of people will say 'they don't do that any more' but it is something they did and it was pretty successful. Handing down kits is a good way to freshen a god while keeping it in the game. Another option would be having a god have basically two kits you could chose between before a match. That will lead to some confusion but you wouldn't lose anything.
If I had to make changes to Hades it would be toning down the Ult by stripping the damage mitigation and some of the protections, I would remove them by 20s until you get a good spot. I would change the passive and make the extra effects part of the ability baseline, its not like its going to change anything really. I would remove the area heal from the 3 making it a self heal only, it may be interesting to have something like if you'd over-heal yourself it might spread out but that might be better suited on another god. To me it doesn't quite make sense why it heals everyone, I'm not aware of anything in his lore to suggest he could heal people maybe with Persephone's help but that is kind of stretch. With those changes he should be more manageable in the early game by having sustain but no minion heal so he won't instantly win lane.
Giving a god 2 kits wouldn't do anything to fix the problem. If you think hades kit should be changed giving him a second kit to pick from fixes the first kit just as much as adding an entirely new god to the game would fix his kit.
As a hades Main with 20 stars and was a gm for 1 split. Yes he’s easy to play but he’s also very easy to counter. Half the gods in the game can dash out of his ult. Just learn how to lane against him, don’t stand in wave. Build anti heal and focus him in team fights and he becomes useless
Picked Hades up in s8 when it became clear he wasn't going to receive any major changes. Got Master's playing almost exclusively Hades until diamond. Just proxy farming like crazy amassing level advantages and threatening mids regularly. Finished most splits top 3 Hades NA
Playing and mastering him in S8 long before he became FOTM and Meta made a lot of his buffs extremely questionable as they were happening
I've always loved Hades, hardcore hades main since beta with tens of thousands of worshipers on him...but the man's ult really is such a mess. You could catch 4 people in his ult and be in a winning position to fuck on them, but the hunter had beads so they took 1 step outside and got to free kill you instead of dying. If the man isn't all but damage immune durring his ult, it would really do nothing even if you were using it on enemies without beads, aegis, or a jump.
I love the duality of the ability, kinda like Ares shackles, you either use it well or get fucked. Kinda wouldn't mind Hades ult working like a minor ult like Merlin without the stance swap.
Every 20 seconds you can Hades ult, but it gives only minor protections and CC immunity. Nerf his lane damage vs minions a bunch, but leave his god damage untouched or even raise it. Force minion and camp agro onto him within a massive range when he ults, so camps can roam from their initial locations to him in the jungle and body block enemies and help him draw them in for a blight bomb. That's my suggestion anyhow.
As a hades main in solo conquest … he could use a overhaul.
Considering that he is designed to stomp lane and push his advantage it limits his design
Personally. I Would like him to not fall off a cliff late game while not being as oppressive early game. A power shift in other words
Hades 4 is fine imo. Considering all the mobility in the game and how he is forced to sit still. Lowering his defenses in his R would make it very… meh.
The issue with hades are his 1 being garbage with its speed, his 2 being the only late game thing he offers (other than his R) and his 3 being overloaded.
Long story short: I want a overhaul where he still is super strong early while not being a auto win in lane.. while not falling off as hard. And the only way to do that is to change passive, 1 and 2 and reducing the base dmg/healing on his 3. His R is the only thing that I would argue should be left alone. (You could remove the pen if you wanted though.)
I want hades to always be known for being a bruiser style mage (which we need more of.. that’s why I was excited for Tiamat at first.) with healing and a rather oppressive early game. That’s just his identity. As long as that stays roughly intact I’m fine with whatever they do
I think it's pretty fine to have God's like Hades where they're very good in the right conditions. If you don't have your teammates pressuring out beads then your ult kinda sucks unless you're the one pressuring beads for your teammates. Again that's not even counting dashes that can easily get out. Playing Hades also does require some game sense. A lot of players smash locking in Hades but they don't know how to position nor do they have any game sense. They just think, Hur dur I'm Hades I'll run in an ult. But then they easily get blown up through ult or after. It's pretty similar to how dominant Arthur is/was but if they don't have solid game sense then they really don't matter too much.
My first main back in the beta, back when he was rightfully a Guardian
As a Hades player, I admit usually he just dogs whoever he is against until team battles. Hades/Morrigan is very strong too.
Just play a better game mode than Conquest? Than Hades wouldn’t be so OP via the over abundance of minions?
jk
But then again most of my match history is Assault so…
Hades? To Hell with Hades!
And while we're at it... To Hades with Hel!
Thanks for carrying me in your arms.
Maybe next rant could be how incredibly overpowered bruiser Janus is?
who are the 3 counters? i'm guessing serq, nem and who?
I respect your valid points entirely and I disrespect you by picking heed anyway
Double stacking... meanwhile I'm over here still just building Hella life steal and power
3:15 "If you don't have jump", I'm sorry jump? What is jump? Are you refering to god leaps or is a new relic or something?
honestly hades is fine atm mainly due to how many gods absolutely negate his ult through the use of slow immunity, sprint, leaps, beads and sanctuary. his 3 only does insane damage if the enemy is near their own wave, which you also need to heal, if you get ganked outside of the lane or are attacking with no enemy minions around (which is often the case) you arent doing nearly as much dmg as you would otherwise.
his basic -> 2 -> 3 combo is great for 2 seconds to get the 5% reduction from his passive, silence and fear them and do some damage to the enemy, however this can be negated with beads as the whole combo falls apart if theyre not silenced.
lets not even mention the crazy amount of anti heal absolutely negating any god that has any sort of healing, it means that you as hades wont have the sustain needed to do a full ult on the enemy as a lifesteal build just isnt doing enough anymore.
he and nike (both of whom i main, i got a gold star on both :D) suffer from the same issue. the original idea (that being hades guardian) wasnt good enough anymore due to meta changes, the first rework being great and the game evolving past that kit or unintentionally buffing it further.
I love hades. He was my first main and my first diamond. He will always be played by me on solo or in joust just because he is so special to me. He's fucking cool.
Obviously the best way to fix hades is to let players use dance emote during the ult. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
That would be the knees for sure
Ya Hades just needs a whole new kit simple as that. Change all the close range stuff to actual mage abilities with range and there you go. But the way he is now is full close range meaning they needed to keep his procs(ult procs especially) and 2 to help keep him alive in melee range combat. Kinda like Zhong in a way both are tanky in their own right but its needed to actually get their damage out and have the possibility of living. I have always since his move from guardian, wanted to see him changed to a regular ranged mage.
Could keep his 1 as an escape that's fine, but now add in an ult that maybe is like a soul vortex that he can summon under opponents at a mid range and make it just do damage or less damage but cripples like a big pos 3. His 2 and three could be a combo ability that the player wants to hit to do max damage just like any other mage.
At the point of reworking his kit they would have to think of making him cookie cutter (like above) or completely new in which case it would take more work and time. Either way I am a Hades main and Ill play him any way hes made regardless if hes good or not.
Hades being close range it what I find fun. I would personally hate to see a ranged rework.
@@brandflakes22 Its what makes him different and fun to play but alot of why people hate him is linked to him being close range. One way to fix that should Hi rez want to is to make him a traditional mage.
Some Hades main just changed his name to Hadeez Nuts 100%
Also the gameplay in this vid makes me sad , not blighting them for the fear or more dmg etc
Idk man sounds like a skill issue to me
I haven’t ran into a warrior in solo lane for like a week now😔
They went from tank to mage with him, when he clearly should be a warrior like Ravana. Oh wait...
They upped the magical def across all chars its not 30 anymore
His base model is also so old despite being a remodel. Also why is his recolour skin still based off of the original model?
old hades model > new(er) hades model
30 prots how did you get that number
As someone that plays hades i could poke so many holes in this entire video but frankly i don't think i need to because anybody that plays hades would know any argument i would make. Still entertaining though even if most of it feels like you had 1 bad match against a hates and now you want him nerfed. I will say though i'm getting really tired of people complaining about hades ult being tanky. He is so tanky because he can't dodge. Chaac can move, hades can't. You can't miss any damage on him unless you are stupid. Chaac can still juke while ulting.
did they even redesign his kit after they changed him from guardian to mage
i may be biased but i have been playing him sense i started smite back before he was a mage long before that i cant remember exectly when but i think it was around season 1 or maybe beta hard to remember that far back at my age or rather lack of age i am currently 22 so i was pretty young when i started playing smite and i am pretty sure steam only counts how long ive played it on steam not when i played it before, anyway back on topic i like him and his kit i have maned him and have him at 3 stars cant say i am a master with him anymore but i still play him, i liked him more in support but thought he needed a buff then personally, and i mean really this is just for me not the game as a whole, ide like to see him go back to being a guardian.
Bro I quite litterally just lost a match to this nonsense
Anytime I play hades it all goes fine until someone gets ankh. Then you can't do anything
Am I one of the few that really doesn’t have any trouble against hades?😂 is he annoying yes but he falls off so hard late game, I feel like the people that struggle against him are the morons who don’t get anti heal or if your playing a character that doesn’t have an escape or cc immune ult. Get anti heal and late game he gets shredded is super predictable and it doesn’t matter how much protections he gets during his ultimate just focus him he is pretty much a free kill every time he ults.
Bring back melee hades
This god has probably one of the strongest kits in smite, he just lacks range… as a mage, his abilities take long to cast and he lacks good items. This god has been probably the best solo laning phase god for years now but his late game is horrible. Antiheal counters him hard, he’s an all in mage so if his combo doesn’t kill he just dies himself unless he has insane peel, and he has no good items. Bancrofts claw made this character good since it basically almost gave him another half health bar and it could be used with book of the dead and book of thoth for another huge shield to the point where you had to break through 2 health bars just to kill him. There’s a reason why the people who did play him before banc claw would build a defence item or two with bumbas, he needed the CD resets to get multiple combos off or just use his 2 multiple times because that ability is ridiculously strong.
Well, Hades is EZ.
1. You have someone who is badass with Hades and Slays
2. You don't have someone who is badass with Hades Instead, he will get Slayed 0/30/5 and everyone hates him on his Team.
Hades guardian solo was fun
am excited for more Paragon videos
Isn't the whole "either you have your relic up or die" true of a bunch of god ults though? Hades has 3 outs, whereas a lot of others only have 1, usually being beads.
Idk they’re pretty stupid to add flat pen to stacking items. Devs balancing makes me think a group of 5th graders could balance better. Still no glad shield nerf. Somehow soul eater is still meta… Emps armor completely broken.
never had problems with hades in the solo, just build some anti heal and boom.
Tbh I just wish his 1 didn't had that stupid delay
i def wouldn't say Hades is dogshit in a team fight mans can turn the tides very easily.
So dash doesn't exist....
Oh right I forgot people actually have an issue dealing with him, interesting.
I loved hades as a guardian…
Maybe make the phantom minions like nu wa kinda
People are trying to counter Hades by picking WARRIORS or GUARDIANS in solo and then going tainted steel first item.
This will never WORK. Hades does extremely poorly against other mages with escapes and ADCs. Which aren't hard to pick in solo. Hades cooldowns are extremely high, he needs to be in your face to put his damage together and the moment he misses his 2 or the wave moves 2 inches from where it's supposed to be then Hades loses everything he has going on for him. The moment Hades dashes, hits a hunter with his full combo and is forced to rely on his autos then Hades loses the Auto Attack battle against a hunter with sustain and mobility who can keep getting away from range.
I'm a Hades main since he first came out, so these weakness are fairly obvious to me. Hades is one of those characters people treat as being invincible but the moment you play as him you notice the flaws and that people out of fear just let you get away with it.
If I had to pick a character that does great against Hades at all times of the game (in case you need that) is Chang'e. Chang'e recently got a buff that makes her hit minions easier, she has a lot of movement speed in her kit, anti heal, an immunity and a stun. All things that Hades hate.
And during wave clear you can both hit the wave and Hades to move the wave in an awkward spot so it can't insta clear the first levels.
Instead of crying about Hades, I think lecturing people about Hades weaknesses and strengths would help more.
Hades hasn't gotten a single buff since 2021, it's not that Hades got stronger, it's that the itemization became more in his favor and people refuse to adapt around it. Like I said, he seems invincible, but the moment you play him you realize the holes poking out of him.
But tbh its all he has… u can get out of his ult super ez, his one isnt far and his 2 is just fear
They clarified Agni as Hard but He bo as Easy and Kali as Average, lol
make hades guardian again
some people say build anti heal will be easy ok i had two anti heal and did not do any shit and was damaging him it beyond broken when aphro was broken they nerfed her so fast why they are leaving hades like this do not know
just nerf is disgusting dmg reduc so that he actually becomes nukeable for an ability that ezclaps a whole fricking team
if were thinking about dotas 2 hero enigma hades spins it completely out of proportions
enigma literally does the same shit as hades, but A) needs 1 item to be immune to stuns B) deals no damage and CCs for the same amount of time C) has 0 damage reduction for the duration or after D) NEEDS ANOTHER ITEM TO JUMP INTO THE ENEMY TEAM, but ofc hades has in inbuilt jump
hades R is literally 4 skills in one and extremly busted at it, nothing you ever say and do will change the fact that is his R is massively broken and this is also the reason hes permabanned in ranked
As a solo main, I groan every time I have to play against hades. Most unfun god to play against in the game.
Think his ult needs to be toned down and given a cripple
Hades is broken. I was in a game against a solo hades the other day in which I built 3 anti healing items and tainted steel and all of my teammates built anti heal and yet the hades still absolutely demolished us. I think our teams highest damage was something like 20k while the hades was at 70k. I even built ankh for his ults but it just didn't matter at all. Hades ruins the game
People escape hades alts all the time most don't even have beads they just jump out of it if they got it u act if hades is the most broken God I wouldn't consider him s tier but A+
As a ah Puch solo main in diamond who obv knows way less about the game then u, I am able to explode wave in 1 burst so I can out clear hades and just ult his ult :>
It’s so funny too cause if you say anything about hades being a problem on Reddit or Twitter they lose their minds defending this man. You can say he’s a problem but the community just associates as you saying they’re op. It’s like nope I’m just saying he makes the game super boring and inconsistent.
Hades needs to be a guardian again and next his damage into the ground and remove the mitigation on his ult since he would have 3,500 hp and 250 each protection anyways.