You’re right. We were meant to replace that clip but I missed it in the final review of the video. Sorry about that. I was rushing to get this one out there.
Using ISO100 is from the 00's when cameras went to ISO1600 and after about 400 it was unusable and there was no good software to fix it. So we original DSLR shooters created this urban legend. Now? Who cares! I will use low ISO basically only if I have a f1.2 or faster lens and I want to use it wide open in sunlight. Otherwise use up to ISO 3200 without fear.
There’s something odd happening at 5:35. Normally, +6 EV boosted ISO 100 shouldn’t have less noise than ISO 6400. If that’s the case, doesn’t it mean your camera is more than just ISO-invariant?
As an old time school photographer there is a rule which says ‘ The slower the film is the finer the grain the faster the film the bigger the grain’ so keeping up with what is the shooting situation is the best way to in my humble opinion, thanks to all.
Sometimes, it surely becomes rather mandatory to raise the ISO well above 100 - But keep in mind that doing so will always degrade image quality with digital noise. It's not particularly objectionable or even noticeable until your ISO rises above ISO 800, or 1600, or thereabouts, depending on format size. Noise is worse with a smaller imaging sensor. It can be diminished with imaging software, but who wants to spend the time? But it's much less of a serious issue with larger format cameras. If you're picky, then the smallest format you'll want to use is the DX format.
Love the way you make difficult photography settings simple to understand. Today, I took some photos of birds sitting. In UK, it’s winter, dull, cold, low light and rainy. So, I cranked up the ISO to 8,000, on my R6, got some reasonable photos with quite a few likes on fb, then without a thought saw some grey Herons and Cormorants in flight, I keep shooting, suddenly realised my ISO was too high for the birds in flight. Yes! Well overexposed. However, managed to save one or two in Lightroom. Moral of the story, Watch those settings😢
Very good explaination, just missing a discussion of Dual ISO which is a thing to know about. With those it can be advantages in the right situation to set the iso level to or above the second native iso.
Just check the Dynamic Range/ISO graph of your camera. (photonstophotos webpage for example) the dual ISO is that the sensor has 2 amplifiers set at diferent parameters so you can have a jump in Dynamic range when the second is used.
Its not a villian people don't understand it.... If it were a raido it would be the volume knob, which would amplify the interference in the signal.......
Good video... but it is surprising that you have so many things so clear and so important things totally misguided. 1.- ISO MATTERS A LOT: the higher the ISO the less the dynamic range (just check any Dynamic Range/ISO graphic). 2.- Extended ISO (on lower ISOs not in higher), usually doesn't reduce DR or quality. (See any of these DR/ISO) graaphs. I insist... if you have to crank the ISO to 800 for example, you loose a serious amount of DR... Anyway... subscribed!! It was quite good
I've seen the past week at a wedding event regarding this information taught to us ,,, iso I've cranked up 1600 and saw a clear image of little noise evident ,this sir is teaching good stuff...I just love what U said and gave insight and the challenge to up the noise❤
How about if I use a tripod and use ISO 100, and a longer shutter, would the noise still be identical? I need to try this. I feel like I was kind of duped by similar videos saying ISO doesn't matter, and I shot a project for school with high ISO on many of the indoor, low-light shots, and I found it impossible to lighten the shots and reduce the noise without losing too much sharpness. I don't know what else I could have tried except maybe a tripod and a lower ISO. But I think I did try that, too, and still had a lot of noise. Which I guess you're saying is the inherent noise due to low light.
A longer shutter will allow more light to hit the sensor and so that would solve the issue. Depending on the length of the shutter you’d likely have to use a tripod. Otherwise a brighter aperture would also allow more light to hit the sensor, again reducing noise.
If you can’t increase the aperture or keep the shutter open longer then you’ll have to increase ISO. 50,000 is feasible if it’s the only way to get the shot. A nosey image of something spectacular is still potentially an incredible photo.
ISO is just another thing for the "experts" to gatekeep. I see grossly underexposed pictures posted to SM everyday that are "good" because they were taken at ISO 100. I think at least a couple of my submissions to the contest were 50k + ISO.
Yep we made a mistake here. The footage was meant to be replaced but I missed it in the final review of the video. I do have eyes. You literally just watched a video of me where I have eyes. Do you have eyes?
I’ve never used Nikon cameras but by “modern” anything that was produced in the last 5-10 years. Obviously talented photographers were still creating amazing images before then and so camera tech usually isn’t the barrier.
ISO absolutely does matter, even on modern cameras. Whisper and rain analogies are silly. The fact is, when you can't adjust the other settings (shutter, aperture) any more and you need to jack up the ISO to get the right exposure, it produces noise in the image. Your graphs and stories don't change that fact.
You missed the point while proving the point. If you can't adjust your other settings any more, then your only choice to get the shot is to change the ISO. Would you rather not have the shot or get the shot with noise? If you would rather get the shot, then ISO really doesn't matter. That is the point
If you are a professional photographer and you understand how to get a proper exposure in the first place then no ISO does not matter. If you are an amateur, then, I guess it does matter.
Yes, even massive amount of KG does not make YOU heavy. Could you please make some diagrams on that too? Would help many people feel stupid. BTW : Driving fast is also quite intelligent and much underated You get home faster, pollute the air for shorter time, etc.
"pollute the air for shorter time" That's like walking into a room, leaving a big nasty smelling fart, exiting and then saying it wasn't an issue because you were only briefly in the room. 🤦♂️
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On that comparison photo there is a ton more noise under the desk when you used the High ISO setting.
You’re right. We were meant to replace that clip but I missed it in the final review of the video.
Sorry about that. I was rushing to get this one out there.
@@Photography-Explained???????
Excellent video ! As an older (senior) retired hobby photographer, my motto has become "Quality photo, not quality image".
Well said!
Using ISO100 is from the 00's when cameras went to ISO1600 and after about 400 it was unusable and there was no good software to fix it. So we original DSLR shooters created this urban legend. Now? Who cares! I will use low ISO basically only if I have a f1.2 or faster lens and I want to use it wide open in sunlight. Otherwise use up to ISO 3200 without fear.
ISO 400 and more = too much grain, even in todays cameras (in reasonably price tag)
There’s something odd happening at 5:35. Normally, +6 EV boosted ISO 100 shouldn’t have less noise than ISO 6400. If that’s the case, doesn’t it mean your camera is more than just ISO-invariant?
We screwed this b-roll up. It should have been replaced but I missed it in my finals review of the video.
As an old time school photographer there is a rule which says ‘ The slower the film is the finer the grain the faster the film the bigger the grain’ so keeping up with what is the shooting situation is the best way to in my humble opinion, thanks to all.
5:33 Your Sony "ISO invariant" comparison looks very different. Look below the desk, noise is very noticeable in ISO 6400, but not in the ISO 100.
Yep, we made a mistake. That footage was meant to be replaced but I missed it in my final review of the video.
Sorry about that.
Sometimes, it surely becomes rather mandatory to raise the ISO well above 100 -
But keep in mind that doing so will always degrade image quality with digital noise.
It's not particularly objectionable or even noticeable until your ISO rises above ISO 800,
or 1600, or thereabouts, depending on format size. Noise is worse with a smaller imaging sensor. It can be diminished with imaging software, but who wants to spend the time?
But it's much less of a serious issue with larger format cameras. If you're picky, then the smallest format you'll want to use is the DX format.
Love the way you make difficult photography settings simple to understand. Today, I took some photos of birds sitting. In UK, it’s winter, dull, cold, low light and rainy. So, I cranked up the ISO to 8,000, on my R6, got some reasonable photos with quite a few likes on fb, then without a thought saw some grey Herons and Cormorants in flight, I keep shooting, suddenly realised my ISO was too high for the birds in flight. Yes! Well overexposed. However, managed to save one or two in Lightroom. Moral of the story, Watch those settings😢
Or go with Auto-ISO in shutter priority, or even auto-iso in manual if you really wanna control both shutter and aperture.
I was out yesterday too and was at 640 literally pointing into what sun we had going on lol.
Very good explaination, just missing a discussion of Dual ISO which is a thing to know about. With those it can be advantages in the right situation to set the iso level to or above the second native iso.
Just check the Dynamic Range/ISO graph of your camera. (photonstophotos webpage for example)
the dual ISO is that the sensor has 2 amplifiers set at diferent parameters so you can have a jump in Dynamic range when the second is used.
The higher the iso the lower the dynamic range. The higher the noise.
great videos as always! You never fail to dissapoint, just keep up the good work!❤
Thank you so much!!
Its not a villian people don't understand it.... If it were a raido it would be the volume knob, which would amplify the interference in the signal.......
Good video... but it is surprising that you have so many things so clear and so important things totally misguided. 1.- ISO MATTERS A LOT: the higher the ISO the less the dynamic range (just check any Dynamic Range/ISO graphic). 2.- Extended ISO (on lower ISOs not in higher), usually doesn't reduce DR or quality. (See any of these DR/ISO) graaphs.
I insist... if you have to crank the ISO to 800 for example, you loose a serious amount of DR...
Anyway... subscribed!! It was quite good
I've seen the past week at a wedding event regarding this information taught to us ,,, iso I've cranked up 1600 and saw a clear image of little noise evident ,this sir is teaching good stuff...I just love what U said and gave insight and the challenge to up the noise❤
Glad it was helpful!
How about if I use a tripod and use ISO 100, and a longer shutter, would the noise still be identical? I need to try this. I feel like I was kind of duped by similar videos saying ISO doesn't matter, and I shot a project for school with high ISO on many of the indoor, low-light shots, and I found it impossible to lighten the shots and reduce the noise without losing too much sharpness. I don't know what else I could have tried except maybe a tripod and a lower ISO. But I think I did try that, too, and still had a lot of noise. Which I guess you're saying is the inherent noise due to low light.
A longer shutter will allow more light to hit the sensor and so that would solve the issue. Depending on the length of the shutter you’d likely have to use a tripod.
Otherwise a brighter aperture would also allow more light to hit the sensor, again reducing noise.
When to shoot at iso 6400 and above ?
Is using 50000 iso feasible?
If you can’t increase the aperture or keep the shutter open longer then you’ll have to increase ISO.
50,000 is feasible if it’s the only way to get the shot.
A nosey image of something spectacular is still potentially an incredible photo.
ISO is just another thing for the "experts" to gatekeep. I see grossly underexposed pictures posted to SM everyday that are "good" because they were taken at ISO 100. I think at least a couple of my submissions to the contest were 50k + ISO.
Yeah. The average viewer doesn’t care if an image has noise if it’s an interesting image.
5:32 Almost identical? Do You have eyes? right one in unusable while the left on is ok
Yep we made a mistake here. The footage was meant to be replaced but I missed it in the final review of the video.
I do have eyes. You literally just watched a video of me where I have eyes.
Do you have eyes?
@@Photography-Explained you can reupload the fixed video. or for years you will get those comments
When you say modern dslr or mirror less, what year range are you referring? Are my Nikon D4 and D610 "modern"? Nice sweater!
I’ve never used Nikon cameras but by “modern” anything that was produced in the last 5-10 years.
Obviously talented photographers were still creating amazing images before then and so camera tech usually isn’t the barrier.
Thanks so much.
South Africa in the room ❤
You’re welcome Allen.
ISO absolutely does matter, even on modern cameras. Whisper and rain analogies are silly. The fact is, when you can't adjust the other settings (shutter, aperture) any more and you need to jack up the ISO to get the right exposure, it produces noise in the image. Your graphs and stories don't change that fact.
You missed the point while proving the point. If you can't adjust your other settings any more, then your only choice to get the shot is to change the ISO. Would you rather not have the shot or get the shot with noise? If you would rather get the shot, then ISO really doesn't matter. That is the point
Then signal-noise ratio isn't real are you trying to say? 💀
If you are a professional photographer and you understand how to get a proper exposure in the first place then no ISO does not matter. If you are an amateur, then, I guess it does matter.
I think you just literally summarised the video.
I'd rather have a pixelated picture than a blurry, out of focus...thats just me.
Absolutely!!
Same noise at ISO 100 as at 400 in apsc
Not sure that is true. Too many variables.
Dump adobe you’ll😊 be Kay
I’ve tried and keep coming back like a crack head.
Yes, even massive amount of KG does not make YOU heavy. Could you please make some diagrams on that too? Would help many people feel stupid.
BTW : Driving fast is also quite intelligent and much underated You get home faster, pollute the air for shorter time, etc.
"pollute the air for shorter time"
That's like walking into a room, leaving a big nasty smelling fart, exiting and then saying it wasn't an issue because you were only briefly in the room. 🤦♂️