Ford Mustang CS850GT vs Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 - modified American muscle cars compared
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- When London-based muscle car importer Clive Sutton offered us a drive in its latest modified offering, the Ford Mustang CS850GT, the only thing to do was to organise a welcoming party involving Silverstone’s Stowe Circuit and a bit of friendly competition in the form of a similarly tricked-up Chevrolet Camaro ZL1.
Most rivals would have wilted in the face of this mighty tuned Mustang’s 850bhp and 665lb ft of torque; but owner Gary Handa’s specially supercharged Camaro develops 770bhp itself. Both of these cars would do supercar-rivalling dragstrip standing-quarter-mile times. But which would be the more usable daily-driver? Which has more bleeding-heart V8 drama and soul? And, most importantly, which would you choose? Let Autocar testers Matt Prior and Richard Lane be your guides.
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Guys, what is the Mustang setup! You talk and talk without saying what type of blower etc.
“This has 1000 NM of torque compared the to standard 650 pounds feet of torque” 🤦♂️
I thought I misheard that
1000nm is 737 ft-lb of torque so he is not wrong.
@@FamilyCTSV it was more about mixing of the metric and imperial measurements but you are being very ‘generous’ saying 737 is the same as 650… I don’t think you would like it if your boss used the same generous rounding of numbers when paying you 😂
It has *over* 1000nm he said, so it probably has about 100ft lbs of torque over stock, pretty common with bolt ons
This video was a true joy to watch especially since you guys were having such a blast
I'm guessing you're talking about a blast as in enjoyment because they barely did more than 1 acceleration
I enjoyed watching the Video. Both Cars look amazing
Normally enjoy these vids but the guy who is not Matt waffled on and bored me to tears.
I would go Mustang, which has a great super-charger whine, not an alarm going off every 10 seconds or so completely destroying the drive.
Two guys driving round a Track, the occasional smirk as one hangs the tail out?, I’d like to see more of the outside of the cars going fast round a Track.
I really wish you guys would push the cars you test a bit more on camera. It’s what makes good viewing content.
Something don't sound right with that Mustang, sounds like its stuttering, having driven Whipple powered ones they should just scream, that car sounds really bad, like its not healthy and Matt seems to be really not pushing it hard.
I came to say the same thing. Something definitely doesn't sound right with it for sure.
Love the way at 4.43 Matt booted it and INSTINCTIVELY looked in the rear view mirror to see if the "constabulary" were behind him 👍👍👍
Long live muscle cars 👍
Unfortunately, all of them except Mustangs will be gone next year.
The 1LE suspension is magic. I love that Camaro. I need people to stop making videos on them so prices come down.
Don't worry. It's a cheaply built Chevrolet. It'll happen.
That Mustang sounds like a pod racer!
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could be wrong, but I have this strong feeling the bold guy is the reason for everything bad going on with autocar. on UA-cam at least. I don't read the magazine or nimble with their websites
What are those wheels on the ZL1?
Those are the stock zl1 wheels
Never driven a Mustang. Have driven a 2018 Camaro SS, and loved it! So I'll take the Zl1. As they said, amazing value for money compared to Euro sports cars.
5.0 are better
Id take a 2020 stock mustang bullit in highland green anyday over these 2 cars, but that camaro looks stunning tho, be lovely in bright green💚👌
I take the Camaro easy!!
Ms i take camaro zl1
Ms i take camaro ZL1 770hp
I'd rather have a stock GT500 or ZL1 1LE over these two modified versions. The Mustang is making some concerning noises under load, and I'm not referring to the supercharger whine. It sounds like some part of the driveline is touching the chassis. The Camaro has a tiny aftermarket methanol tank that sets off an alarm constantly. Those are the kind of problems you see in aftermarket cars.
You can get 850 HP without the questionable modifications.
@@gen1c8rs88 Exactly. And honestly, unless you are doing standing mile drags at airport runways, having 850hp isn't going to benefit you much. I'd be curious to see a stock ZL1 1LE vs. this one on a road course.
@@ZeGermanHam In the USA you can get a GM Performance intake and GM tune at a dealer that is emissions compliant, and with a catback exhaust system that would get 700 BHP or 620 BHP at the wheels(100 BHP per liter at the wheels) which is all that I would want in a vehicle designed for 650 BHP(as one example the small 1.7L supercharger spins at a higher rpm, creating for more heat soak, but one can add an additive that will keep the engine coolant at a lower temperature).
Sounds like tyres are rubbing but yeah I could hear it too
@@ARDEN440i Yeah, kinda sounds like tires rubbing, which would be inexcusable for a car that is sold to customers. But it also makes the noise when they're accelerating in a straight line, so I'm less inclined to think it's the tires.
Something tells me Richard hadn’t driven a recent track package Mustang with the new engine. Hardly what you would call lazy.
No drag race🤔
I would like to see the mustang and a demon go at it
The ZL1 is illegal to drive on British roads due to the aero bits on the front so how is it even registered?
No it’s not. It’s had an IVA test when imported if it was an issue it would of been brought up then. Stock carnards are okay
It was imported as a stock ZL1 then the 1LE aero bits were put on, it was mentioned that is car has magnitorial dampers, instead of the DSSV dampers that a ZL1 1LE have. Yes both the ZL1 1LE front aero is illegal, and the rear wheel/tyres are illegal on the ZL1 1LE In the UK(has 325/30r19 on 12 inch wide rear wheels that stick out past the top of the fender lip, the ZL1 has 285/30r20 and 305/30r20 tyres that don't stick out past the top of the fender lip as this video showed).
NOtice how the Mustangs seats shift side to side vs the Comaro. That is contributing the feel of the lazy handling .
Hank
Please lap them around the track with time trials.
This really puts perspective on how warped our minds are here in the US. Those wouldn't really raise an eyebrow here in the States.
Go cart track? Too small for proper test
Big, long car? Mustangs have always qualified as mid-size in the US.
ZL1 all day.
Zl1 all day
Camaro ZL1 all day
News flash BMW Audi Mercedes Astons Ferrari Mclarens are all big cars compared to hot hatches!
ZL1, no question.
Yup zl1 camaro
RIGHT hand drive GM muscle cars from WALKIBSHAW AUSTRALIA.. Made BETTER than factory.
They make everything in house... From mirror dash to engine bay modifications. The whole car, down to floor, engine bay... Everything pulled apart and put back together with exactly the same, but mirrored stuff
Both great cars but clearly they're not perfectly reliable. The Camaro throwing tantrum signals and the Mustang also sounded a bit off in places while accelerating. Not sure if those issues has to do with the aftermarket mods or the cars themselves but I think I'd be more at peace with a stock Camaro ZL1. Or, for 65-70K, an M340i.
Definitely the mods were causing those issues. Stock 6th gen Camaros are pretty bulletproof.
"The Camma-roe has pretty good visibility out of it" - you're supposed to use the methanol to cool the intake, not get high off it.
lmao you're right, it's like sitting in a tank
The guy on the left practically whispers sometimes Speak up!
Can someone explain to me why American sports cars always feel "big" but the likes of Bentley, Rolls Royce, any European GT, never do?
haha exactly. Put a UK Mustang next to a BMW M4. Guess what .. identical in size....
Bias?
Cars literally made in the UK are 3x the size and weight but somehow they're not too big for UK roads.
im amazed how is ti possible to make such a boring video about suc amazing cars
You guys never hit the gas. Wtf?
Camaro by a country mile!
Great... it's Mr Zzzzz Zzzzzz again.... someone hand him a case of Red bull so he can stay awake through this review!!!!
Autocar's videos are pretty good, but Matt needs another mic taped to his mouth. His mumbling is very irritating at times.
The Mustang sounds like it has a catastrophic vacuum leak
As a GT350 owner id take the Camaro over the mustang. but the gt350 over this camaro.
Zl1 camaro
A Mustang is "big"?
In terms of exterior size and weight, yes.
That mustang is mean
Look 2 boats.
They're track oriented cars tho and weigh under 4,000lbs.
This lot are as dull as dishwater. Eventually unsubbed. Laggin so far behind throttle House/Harry's garage/hagtery etc etc.
The Camaro is bigger than the Mustang but the interior is tighter. The "pillbox" view is claustrophobic with MASSIVE blindspots. Moreover, you're comparing a car modded to fix the problems with the factory version. Mustang wins
Richard lane comes across as a rather pompously arrogant snob... The Camaro's way more agricultural than the Mustang and certainly looks bigger and fatter it is rather more difficult to see out of yet he unashamedly ignored in the Camaro all the things he faulted the Mustang for. The fact is they are both aftermarket modifications of cars and so the ride and sound shouldn't be mentioned comparatively and in their home market the Camaro lags behind the Mustang in every single guise out of the factory.. Their cars their their market they know better than the snob...
Real shame the Camaro is so ugly, automatic transmission, and claustrophobic. No idea why you would ever get that coffin. The Camaro makes a Mistake seem spacious.
The Camaro looks mean, I love it.
Hank