I like how this is an old school built layout with very detailed structures and hard shell landscapes . These techniques are still here today and I used them in the 80's also...nice video.
Thank you, Dale and Karyn, for letting us see Harry Brunk's amazing railroad. I've always loved the Clear Creek area just outside Golden, Colorado. I also had many hours of fun reading and dreaming about the area through Harry's articles in the Narrow Gauge Gazette.
Another great chapter. I read Harry Brunk's articles and saw his pictures and what an inspiration over the years. I remember the article on moving it and wondered if someday I would get a chance to see it. Toy Man you did good. Your camera has captured the essence of what Harry did. Thank You for sharing this. Greg and Jeanne
Hi!!!!!! It’s an amazing railroad geeeezzzzz. So glad it’s there for all to see and enjoy. We are heading back to the n scale convention in a few minutes. Need to leave our credit cards home. On ice!!
Thanks!! We are shooting several layouts as part of the N scale convention this weekend in Salt Lake City. And we have 2 module layouts from Albuquerque soon.
Dale and Karen, you have the best videos on all railway’s. I claim to be a model railroader, but every time I put together a layout someone comes by to enjoy it and ask, would I be interested in selling it. Well if I can get anyone interested in the railroad hobby and make a friend, then it’s for sale.
Very cool! Dale and Karyn, you really did a great job in presenting Harry's narrow gauge model railroad as well as some of the prototype in real life and from history on which he based it. -from Tom Pilling
Superb and thank you for visiting and posting with the full size action! We have the Famous Madder Valley close to here in England. Built from card wood and scraps during the War. John kept everyone glued to his articles during the darkest of days! This again is in a Museum and gets visits from all over the world. Thanks again. David and Lily.
We keep seeing video of OUTSTANDING railroads across the pond. Saw one just last night on the Science Channel. A steam rack rail in Wales. The summit is at 1100 meters. GEEEEEEE! Being a westerner I feel a decent hill is at least 10,000 feet. 14,000 and I'm impressed. No matter. What a great rack rail!!
In 1985 I saw this model in that trailer. It was one if the last great trips I took with my grandfather. I'm so glad the model lives on. I had know idea it was still alive. THANK YOU
I have seen this layout in person in Cheyenne. SWEET LAYOUT!! My friend help move and restore the layout and that was a lot of work!! Harry published the plans for the buildings he made. My friend and I have built many of the buildings for the Railworks (a computer train simulator) Clear Creek route which we have extensively modified with more work to be done. We use the Sketchup 3D program.
I use Lightwave! Ive looked at sketchup (I use its sibling on hot dogs) but I soooo use to using Lightwave, which I used to make the Toy Man rocket. I have used it to make figures which I 3D print.... HUM... SHOW!! ANYWAY, the real topic here is Harry and his great railroad..
Really fascinating episode you guys got here. I actually saw this layout back in June of 2014 but they weren't running anything. I'll have to go back and look at it again.
What a great model. I am very familiar with those Colorado towns. I am glad the model preserves some of of their histories especially those towns that have changed due to gambling.
My response seems to evaporated! Not surprising. Anyway what it said is there is an upside and a huge downside to legalize and gambling to miss places. If they’re not careful they absolutely ruined these places. But it does keep cities like black hawk in central city from falling away to nothing for lack of money.
I watched a video yesterday that claimed that the Georgetown Loop has one of the top ten most dangerous railroad bridges in the world. Awesome video by the way. Thanks for all the hard work you do putting all these videos together!
"❤️ it", grew up in Cali but spent most my life in Colorado, I'll I can say is "Trains, Trains, Trains", so much fun, there's something about there magnificence that always inspires me. I've ridden Steam trains all over the US... 🚂🚞 8^}
The other #71 in Blackhawk is from a Mexican Railroad and spent a good part of its life on display at Palmer Lake, CO. There's actually an article about its original railroad in one of the old Colorado Rail Annuals from the CRRM.
That is AWESOME!!! But...... Why not tell that locomotive's story?? About the Mexican railroad in which it ran on, and how it found it's way to Colorado. It's life on display at Palmer Lake, CO... Why it was there, and such. It's such a cool little engine!
I realize that the UP wanted to use the new engines with the digital fill in the blank. You would think that they would have weathered the locomotives to look less new or like a toy. It still isn't chopped liver though. Funny I have seen this before and I really like your channel.
Harry is still running it but his original locomotives are all in glass cases and he’s running blackstone. And yup. Clean and shiny. Yuk. GeV me a minute and I’ll. Make em disueeskting.
Cool layout and video. I was out there 2 years ago, and if I remember correctly Central City has a law about retaining the facades of the historic structures, but the casinos there can completely rebuild the interiors.
When I was a kid, back in the '70s, #71 was "Stuffed and Mounted" at the end of track and the Ashbys were running the line with their old #40 (from Central America). When operations began on the Silver Plume Loop line, they moved their operations there, taking #40 with them. I think one of their old open cars is now up at the Como roundhouse restoration site.
Dale, Karyn, If you got the time, go on up to the Black Hills. It's my favorite place in the world and I think you two would like all the neat stuff to do there. From Cheyenne it's only about 5 hours North and East. There's the 1880 Train, museums, ghost towns, old west shows, car museums, car shows, and scenery that you'll be hard press to find anywhere else.
The wye you show on the layout depicts Forks Creek not Elk Creek. Great video. Thanks fopr this. I was at the museum last year and bought the video of Harry's layout. He is a most interesting gentleman and we spent some time chatting with him during a narrow gauge convention in Durango while at the vendors room. I also model the C&S. Would be great to see #60 running again. I have a model of that loco as part of my C&S roster in On3.
Brian Castle ROCK RXR 9 if they get it going wow!!!! We want a ride!!!!!! Er. 2 rides. Hell a week of rides!! We stayed at one of the Casinos. It was really a nice room and everything. As is our tradition we stayed well away from the gambling machines. Prefer machines that run on steam! But wouldn’t mind spending a whole week they’re just riding the train and eating in the buffet!
If when UP finishes with 3985, maybe they can truck 71, 60, and 9 up to Cheyenne for rebuilding. They were UP property under UPD&G before they were CB&Q under C&S....so in a roundabout way restoring them would be UP heritage.
I don't think many people realize that The Colorado and Southern was a part of the Union Pacific. Harry Brunk's layout is awesome! I remember reading all the updates in Narrow Gauge Gazette. The 71 ordeal is something suspicious. Someone or some group complained about them running the locomotive and that the operators were going to steal the locomotive or some such thing. And shut down the operation
I use to work at the Argo Gold Mill back in the 70's and 80's when Jim Maxwell owned it. Jim also owned the Hot Springs resort at Idaho Springs. We were tearing down the old cribbing and cleaning up the area around the Gold Mine back then, and sorta fixing up the actual building at the Argo.
They had an "idea" to open the tunnel and have a train to connect to the hotels at Black Hawk. Geeeee. What could go wrong? And what would that cost? AND they would need to sober up thousands of gamblers and get them to ride the train to ARGO to see that. We would ride it for sure!! But could that really work?
Been working on Garagemahall. Gee. So much to do. Bet the garden railroad area is mostly cleared out an we can actually see where the track will go!! Backdrops going forward. But the biggest thing is the drive in area. The crossbuck looking good and the Wayne gas pump almost finished. Now I’m excited just talking about it.
I turned a Bachmann ten wheeler into a fake C and S loco. Really came off great! Never ran well so its a shelf model. Mostly. I have had in the back of my mind a C and S 0-4-0 six ton Porter! Silly idea. Tanks on top and a huge plow. A 6 ton loco bucking snow....
Just a couple of comments for updates. The reason they stopped running the train near BlackHawk was because of the casinos, they were afraid the vibration from it would cause damage to their buildings there. The railroad actually went on to Bakerville, which is is not far up I70 from SilverpLuke. The original plan of the UP (who had control on the Colorado Central at that time ) was to build a line to Leadville Co. And the loop was built. The UP eventually gained control of the Denver, South Park & Pacific which already had access to Leadville, through trackage rights through the Denver & Rio Grand, and the project was scraped. I think it would have been interesting to see just how the UP would have handled Loveland Pass. I thought, maybe a tunnel under the Pass then down through Arapahoe Basin righ through the ski area the natural grade through there isn’t that bad, and with a tunnel, you could avoid the worst of the summit. Snow sheds would definitely would be a must. If you have a chance, drive out of Blackhawk up to Navadaville, there are two structures standing there. The narrow gauge ran to a mill there. A lot of the streets around Central City are on the right of way of the Gilpin Tram which serviced some of the mines in the area. Just a little trivia.
well I did plan to film Colorado & southern # 60 in Idaho springs even to film DSP&P # 191 I did film # 40 but it didn't came from Colorado central but another one is Colorado & southern # 74 which is in display in the Colorado railroad museum even 191 is in that museum too.
Hi guys! Great video! I have some family that lived in Central City and when my parents would stop in I would head to the depot there. I have photos taken in the mid 1970’s of a shay just like your WestSide shay from the loop, even painted the same colors but was numbered 14 if I remember correctly. I believe Ashby owned the railroad operations there at that time too. Probably the same one you rode in the 80’s. The railroad people knew me and I got to ride in the locomotive cab. Anyway, I recently rode the loop and mentioned the Shay from CC with the different number and people weren’t familiar with it. In your travels, did you ever see a Shay in CC? Possibly a #14? Thank you and have a great day!
Cool!! I’d love to have ridden... well sort of did. Rode the Blackhawk central when it was running. One of those short cars and the 71. But only about a mile.
I'm just an outsider looking in, but I love model railroads. The one thing that I always notice, however, when looking at overhead shots of towns, switch yards, etc., is the lack of color. In real life, life seems to take hold in every place possible. Weeds and grass grow everywhere it can, the sides of cliffs, ditches, any open areas with little or no traffic, etc., but in these models, you see large spaces of just dirt, with no weeds present. It makes for a very gray looking landscape, but when you look at real world photos of similar scenes, there is green everywhere. Just a tip for any modelers that are just getting into the hobby.
Really depends on the layout. Some are to colorful, some very bland. Take a look at Gil Bennett here on the channel. Very low in color, he's modeling mid November as he likes that look. But super real looking.
Your point is well taken but consider the model railroad as to when it is modelled and the time of the year and where the location is supposed to be. Looking at photos of mining areas when the railroad was built the hills and mountains were denuded of trees for mine props, timbering, and other wood. It is interesting to view photos of the Georgetown Loop when built and varying years since as to the reestablishment of trees and other vegetation. This is interesting for any location where there are photos taken over many years.
Yes, I am so much more cool after seeing this! My last time in Golden was in 1985, way before anything got off the ground as it is now. The AT&SF obs car I road in from Albuquerque to Belin and back as a second grader in 1962 was there! That was also the same trip ('85) that I saw the Loop. It wasn't operational on the day I was there; but from the road up to Silver Plum, I got a good look of it. Never got to Central City or Blackhawk. Thanks for the warning. But, it's Colorado. The beauty is still there even if we humans continue to screw it up. That's why I chose it for the Rocky Mountain Division of the Pacific Crest Railway (formerly the St. Louis, North Park & Pacific Crest). Who would have ever dreamed the nation's sixth transcontinental would choose the Cashe La Poudre River Canyon to climb to cross the Back Bone of the World! It's crazy, but it's cool. A buddy of mine at the Museum and I FINALLY have some of it running in DCC. Hopefully y'all can come to the Golden Spike party. Don't start packing yet; it's going to be awhile off. Colorado wasn't built in a day.
@@ToyManTelevision No, mine here at home. It's my fifth and 53 (maybe 54 after September) years in coming! It took me that long (2009) to find a place just to be able to build something permanently! I began it in 2013 after recovering from from my career ending fall in 2011. I'm not sure if the Monterey & Salinas Valley (museum) layout ever had a Golden Spike ceremony. If they did, it was before I joined on four years ago.
@@ToyManTelevision How true! I'm constantly wondering now how I ever had time to work. I now need a 48 hour day! The pay sucks, but retirement is a blast! Did you teach history? You seem to have that blood. My brother did in California and New Mexico and it really rubbed off on me. He was 18 years older.
One final note: Before the creation of the Colorado and Southern, both the Colorado Central (Georgetown, Silver Plume, Blackhawk, Central City, Golden) and the Denver, South Park and Pacific (Denver, Fairplay, Breckenridge, Leadville) were actually owned by the Union Pacific and Jay Gould.
Love your videos, would like to hang out and screw around sometime. If you ever get up north to Coeur d'alene, Idaho let me know I will show you my layout.
Politics. Bs. And loosing money. The track was pulled up and scraped and that was that. I’d like to see it go to the George Town loop. But it belongs to the city and by god it’s staying there. Forever. So unless they relay the track.... but as far as I know it’s ready to run. For the most part right now!!
Dale and Karen, I live here in Aurora,Colorado me and my wife take a trip up to Blackhawk once a year and it Sicken me to what they did to once historical little town with all the crappie Casinos that are there now. It's really sad to see history wipe out.
Bobby Slater I was a mobile home dweller for about 35 years.. One of the mobile homes I lived in was old enough that it had the rounded ends! Another one was the vintage of the Detroiter mentioned here. These older homes were pre HUD, before the Department of Housing and Urban Development took over the mobile home business in 1976. Better building standards for mobile homes were established. Better construction, and egress windows. My best guess on why the roof on this Detroiter began to cave in, was the removal of the interior walls, to accommodate the railroad layout. Mobile home roofs made from tin are known to develop leaks, and need to be sealed periodically. I’m betting those factors contributed to the demise of the. Home.. but thank goodness that layout was saved! I’m hoping your mobile home is safe! They do make great affordable housing! I feel sad every time I see where another mobile home park is facing closure. Not everyone can afford a house!
Thanks for the info. Fortunately my mobile home is made by Vindale, which is considered top of the line. I do have the roof sealed every two years, but the land rent here has gone up to $800. My friend lives in a 3-bedroom high ranch and pays only $700.
Vindale is one of the best! Good solid construction. One of my favs in vintage mobile homes, is the Holly Park. One can usually spot them, as they have bay windows on the front and rear of the home. They also have the dormer clearstory windows in the living room area. They are longer.. like 14' x 75'/80 feet, and usually only have 2 bedrooms, which makes for a huge living room, and kitchen. These are some very well constructed homes for the era. (1973) One of the mobile homes that I lived in was a 1968 Biltmore. Now.. talk about flimsy construction! When I learned that the home had aluminum wiring... Well? Anyway... Sold that! My most recent home was a 1986 Nashua.. 14 x 70... HUD approved... I called that home for the next 20 years, until Dale and i were married. I still love "trailers" or, mobile homes. Here in SLC... on State Street...and across from the Train Shoppe... there is an old vintage mobile home park (trailer park) that was established in the late 40's. All of the homes in there, are 60's and older. I remember that park when I was a kid, and we would visit Salt Lake. It's still there! But I often wonder for how long? The land is in a prime location.. Well.. I hope that trailer court stays... Ya know...
Mine has Anderson windows, but I'm sure they were added before I moved in. The front bay window was covered and converted to an alcove, which is where I display my collectibles. Since this park has been here since 1945 and the rent keeps going up, I'm sure it will be here for a long time.
YES. And get 71 going again. It runs! But no where to run it. I told them they should take it to Georgetown. But no one want these locos to leave, AND they have no railroad. And no place to build one.
To save space. Short is better in sharp curves. Sure makes them less comfortable to work in. But even small standard gauge locos did that. Check out "The Casey Jones" Tuesday. same layout.
Didn’t know. Sad. We will have a similar story this fall. Jim Harper has a buyer for his Proto 48 layout. The buyer also has an On3 layout that is also on this level of quality. So we want to follow the move and setup.
@@ToyManTelevision Thanks. Love your shows. I'm downloading most of them, especially the ones about history, places to go, and prototype and model railroading. Want to do a Toy Man Television video about standard gauge S scale? I'm in Manti. I'm retired Air Force, though I'm still self employed--I build harps. :) :) :) .
I could see the difference between the two 71's. on the original it easy to identify the air tanks on the top of the engine's boiler. I'm going out on a limb here in saying that the spark interrupters were no more than screens over the smoke stacks that prevented sparks from flying out. I would imagine sparks flying out would have a detrimental effect on the surrounding environment. Remember what Smokey the Bear says," Only you can prevent forest fires" or prairie fires. The one and assuming original had all of these articles where as the imposter didn't. It looked the have the spark inhibitor along with the number 71 but that was all it had. I'm guessing is some marketing genius came with that idea. I can just here it, " What if we bought an old narrow gauge engine like the one that represents the town paint the number 71 on it and place it outside the casino it would be a great draw bringing in the crowds!""It will like just like the historic 71!" Yeah a real marketing genius. For what its worth.
Marketing people all think they are a wit. And they are half right. The "fake" 71 is really a nifty little locomotive. Very much like a Rio Grande C-21. They could have even painted it as one of those. No idea what it really is or where they got it. Cuba? But giving it a fake C and S paint job..... stupid "idea".
I had a "version" on my old HO. Sort of a cross between the Gilpin and the Cresent Tram in Park City. HOn30. Planning on digging out that old stuff for some tuesday shows. Joe Works models mostly.
Kind of wish you had spent much more time looking at every part of the model railroad, and had taken and included as many stills as you could of his models on display. you left far to much out.
I like how this is an old school built layout with very detailed structures and hard shell landscapes . These techniques are still here today and I used them in the 80's also...nice video.
Yup. This is a treasure. Have you seen the UP roundhouse in Ogden layout tour? Now this is old school!!! ua-cam.com/video/sxLDft8WlXc/v-deo.html
I love this video and like it when you put your old movie footage in with the new. Keep up the good work and keep the railroad history alive.
Amazing to see this canyon. I've been shooting there for over 30 years. Sad to see many of the changes.
Thank you, Dale and Karyn, for letting us see Harry Brunk's amazing railroad. I've always loved the Clear Creek area just outside Golden, Colorado. I also had many hours of fun reading and dreaming about the area through Harry's articles in the Narrow Gauge Gazette.
Harry’s articles were so in depth. And to see these well known locations modeled this way. Jus super.
Thank you guy's for yet another wonderful video. I hope you guys continue to have such neat and exciting adventures! God bless you guys!
Great layout. Wow. Which harry would have been there
Another great chapter. I read Harry Brunk's articles and saw his pictures and what an inspiration over the years. I remember the article on moving it and wondered if someday I would get a chance to see it. Toy Man you did good. Your camera has captured the essence of what Harry did. Thank You for sharing this. Greg and Jeanne
Hi!!!!!! It’s an amazing railroad geeeezzzzz. So glad it’s there for all to see and enjoy. We are heading back to the n scale convention in a few minutes. Need to leave our credit cards home. On ice!!
Nice job. NOT boring. Love the railroads.
Thanks!! We are shooting several layouts as part of the N scale convention this weekend in Salt Lake City. And we have 2 module layouts from Albuquerque soon.
Dale and Karen, you have the best videos on all railway’s. I claim to be a model railroader, but every time I put together a layout someone comes by to enjoy it and ask, would I be interested in selling it. Well if I can get anyone interested in the railroad hobby and make a friend, then it’s for sale.
Very cool! Dale and Karyn, you really did a great job in presenting Harry's narrow gauge model railroad as well as some of the prototype in real life and from history on which he based it.
-from Tom Pilling
Hi tom! What a great model railroad. ONe of Americas best! SUPER COOL that Harry is still adding to it.
amazing that union pacific museum let this model layout be put in there museum !!!!
It’s a great museum but this is the best part of itvv
Superb and thank you for visiting and posting with the full size action!
We have the Famous Madder Valley close to here in England. Built from card wood and scraps during the War. John kept everyone glued to his articles during the darkest of days!
This again is in a Museum and gets visits from all over the world.
Thanks again.
David and Lily.
We keep seeing video of OUTSTANDING railroads across the pond. Saw one just last night on the Science Channel. A steam rack rail in Wales. The summit is at 1100 meters. GEEEEEEE! Being a westerner I feel a decent hill is at least 10,000 feet. 14,000 and I'm impressed. No matter. What a great rack rail!!
In 1985 I saw this model in that trailer. It was one if the last great trips I took with my grandfather. I'm so glad the model lives on. I had know idea it was still alive. THANK YOU
Love those memories
Ol Harry sure is an artisan. What a gorgeous layout. Thanks for the tour & history lesson. Great stuff!
what a wonderful legacy. Thanks for sharing
Been reading these articles forever. Really great to see the layout!!
You folks do some awesome videos. Very well done and informative, thanks for sharing
Cary
We do have fun screwing around!!
Looking forward to seeing the garden layout and an update on garage ma hall. Love the work you and Karen do . Keep up the great work.....Wilmer
Thanks we are at the banquet at the National N Scale Convention. Hoping to win something at the raffle in a couple of hours.
A very nice layout, thanks for sharing
I have seen this layout in person in Cheyenne. SWEET LAYOUT!! My friend help move and restore the layout and that was a lot of work!! Harry published the plans for the buildings he made. My friend and I have built many of the buildings for the Railworks (a computer train simulator) Clear Creek route which we have extensively modified with more work to be done. We use the Sketchup 3D program.
I use Lightwave! Ive looked at sketchup (I use its sibling on hot dogs) but I soooo use to using Lightwave, which I used to make the Toy Man rocket. I have used it to make figures which I 3D print.... HUM... SHOW!! ANYWAY, the real topic here is Harry and his great railroad..
Really fascinating episode you guys got here. I actually saw this layout back in June of 2014 but they weren't running anything. I'll have to go back and look at it again.
Now that harry lives in Cheyenne I think they are running much more often
What a great model. I am very familiar with those Colorado towns. I am glad the model preserves some of of their histories especially those towns that have changed due to gambling.
My response seems to evaporated! Not surprising. Anyway what it said is there is an upside and a huge downside to legalize and gambling to miss places. If they’re not careful they absolutely ruined these places. But it does keep cities like black hawk in central city from falling away to nothing for lack of money.
I watched a video yesterday that claimed that the Georgetown Loop has one of the top ten most dangerous railroad bridges in the world. Awesome video by the way. Thanks for all the hard work you do putting all these videos together!
I've see that video. The president would call it "fake news". Fun to watch at any rate.
I rode the Goergtown loop five years ago while attending a Navy reunion in Denver. Was great seeing it again.
What an amazing model and great job with the video!
So wonderful that it’s now both preserved and on public display.
"❤️ it", grew up in Cali but spent most my life in Colorado, I'll I can say is "Trains, Trains, Trains", so much fun, there's something about there magnificence that always inspires me. I've ridden Steam trains all over the US... 🚂🚞 8^}
The other #71 in Blackhawk is from a Mexican Railroad and spent a good part of its life on display at Palmer Lake, CO. There's actually an article about its original railroad in one of the old Colorado Rail Annuals from the CRRM.
That is AWESOME!!! But...... Why not tell that locomotive's story?? About the Mexican railroad in which it ran on, and how it found it's way to Colorado. It's life on display at Palmer Lake, CO... Why it was there, and such. It's such a cool little engine!
I realize that the UP wanted to use the new engines with the digital fill in the blank. You would think that they would have weathered the locomotives to look less new or like a toy. It still isn't chopped liver though.
Funny I have seen this before and I really like your channel.
Harry is still running it but his original locomotives are all in glass cases and he’s running blackstone. And yup. Clean and shiny. Yuk. GeV me a minute and I’ll. Make em disueeskting.
Cool layout and video. I was out there 2 years ago, and if I remember correctly Central City has a law about retaining the facades of the historic structures, but the casinos there can completely rebuild the interiors.
To late for Blackhawk. Just gone. Even the mountain is half missing.
When I was a kid, back in the '70s, #71 was "Stuffed and Mounted" at the end of track and the Ashbys were running the line with their old #40 (from Central America). When operations began on the Silver Plume Loop line, they moved their operations there, taking #40 with them. I think one of their old open cars is now up at the Como roundhouse restoration site.
We rode Lindsy’s caboose at Chama a while back. Called caboose hop. Great video of a wonderful day out. .
Dale, Karyn, If you got the time, go on up to the Black Hills. It's my favorite place in the world and I think you two would like all the neat stuff to do there. From Cheyenne it's only about 5 hours North and East. There's the 1880 Train, museums, ghost towns, old west shows, car museums, car shows, and scenery that you'll be hard press to find anywhere else.
Really want to get up there. Never have seen that even as a kid wanted to just never have. Soon!!
Fantastic video
Just amazing how good it is
The wye you show on the layout depicts Forks Creek not Elk Creek. Great video. Thanks fopr this. I was at the museum last year and bought the video of Harry's layout. He is a most interesting gentleman and we spent some time chatting with him during a narrow gauge convention in Durango while at the vendors room. I also model the C&S. Would be great to see #60 running again. I have a model of that loco as part of my C&S roster in On3.
The real clear creek is beautiful. And the layout just amazing
We have driven up and down the area so many times. We camp at the camp site in Golden right on the edge of Clear Creek.
c&s rr steam loco #71 should run again that would be so amazing !
Brian Castle ROCK RXR 9 if they get it going wow!!!! We want a ride!!!!!! Er. 2 rides. Hell a week of rides!! We stayed at one of the Casinos. It was really a nice room and everything. As is our tradition we stayed well away from the gambling machines. Prefer machines that run on steam! But wouldn’t mind spending a whole week they’re just riding the train and eating in the buffet!
If when UP finishes with 3985, maybe they can truck 71, 60, and 9 up to Cheyenne for rebuilding. They were UP property under UPD&G before they were CB&Q under C&S....so in a roundabout way restoring them would be UP heritage.
Enjoy the videos , like all the places you go!
Dang we do have fun!!
I don't think many people realize that The Colorado and Southern was a part of the Union Pacific.
Harry Brunk's layout is awesome! I remember reading all the updates in Narrow Gauge Gazette.
The 71 ordeal is something suspicious. Someone or some group complained about them running the locomotive and that the operators were going to steal the locomotive or some such thing. And shut down the operation
I use to work at the Argo Gold Mill back in the 70's and 80's when Jim Maxwell owned it. Jim also owned the Hot Springs resort at Idaho Springs. We were tearing down the old cribbing and cleaning up the area around the Gold Mine back then, and sorta fixing up the actual building at the Argo.
They had an "idea" to open the tunnel and have a train to connect to the hotels at Black Hawk. Geeeee. What could go wrong? And what would that cost? AND they would need to sober up thousands of gamblers and get them to ride the train to ARGO to see that. We would ride it for sure!! But could that really work?
Great video, I , being one of your biggest fan, am asking you when are you going to do an update on garage ma hall? Love the show..Wilmer
Been working on Garagemahall. Gee. So much to do. Bet the garden railroad area is mostly cleared out an we can actually see where the track will go!! Backdrops going forward. But the biggest thing is the drive in area. The crossbuck looking good and the Wayne gas pump almost finished. Now I’m excited just talking about it.
Nice video also. Liked for you.
So nice!
On my list of top 10 American layouts!
I met Harry last weekend at the Sherman hill train show
Great video.
Love your work on this. We are “cool subscribers “ thanks
Thanks fer watching! This was a fun trip. What a great layout!!!
Beautiful layout! I always thought the C&S had unique engines. My favorite is #74. Got one in HOn3 and Sn3.
I turned a Bachmann ten wheeler into a fake C and S loco. Really came off great! Never ran well so its a shelf model. Mostly. I have had in the back of my mind a C and S 0-4-0 six ton Porter! Silly idea. Tanks on top and a huge plow. A 6 ton loco bucking snow....
To:Dale and, Karyn how is the family doing? I hope that, the family is doing well I wish Karyn to have a, great Mother's day tomorrow
Good morning!! Yup. Alls well! Thanks!
Just a couple of comments for updates. The reason they stopped running the train near
BlackHawk was because of the casinos, they were afraid the vibration from it would cause damage to their buildings there. The railroad actually went on to Bakerville, which is is not far up I70 from SilverpLuke. The original plan of the UP (who had control on the Colorado Central at that time ) was to build a line to Leadville Co. And the loop was built. The UP eventually gained control of the Denver, South Park & Pacific which already had access to Leadville, through trackage rights through the Denver & Rio Grand, and the project was scraped. I think it would have been interesting to see just how the UP would have handled Loveland Pass. I thought, maybe a tunnel under the Pass then down through Arapahoe Basin righ through the ski area the natural grade through there isn’t that bad, and with a tunnel, you could avoid the worst of the summit. Snow sheds would definitely would be a must. If you have a chance, drive out of Blackhawk up to Navadaville, there are two structures standing there. The narrow gauge ran to a mill there. A lot of the streets around Central City are on the right of way of the Gilpin Tram which serviced some of the mines in the area. Just a little trivia.
well I did plan to film Colorado & southern # 60 in Idaho springs even to film DSP&P # 191 I did film # 40 but it didn't came from Colorado central but another one is Colorado & southern # 74 which is in display in the Colorado railroad museum even 191 is in that museum too.
I finally got Vol 1. Now I need Vol 2!
The fake 71 looks just like the old MDC narrow gauge engine kit that used to be around.
Hi guys! Great video!
I have some family that lived in Central City and when my parents would stop in I would head to the depot there. I have photos taken in the mid 1970’s of a shay just like your WestSide shay from the loop, even painted the same colors but was numbered 14 if I remember correctly. I believe Ashby owned the railroad operations there at that time too. Probably the same one you rode in the 80’s.
The railroad people knew me and I got to ride in the locomotive cab.
Anyway, I recently rode the loop and mentioned the Shay from CC with the different number and people weren’t familiar with it. In your travels, did you ever see a Shay in CC? Possibly a #14?
Thank you and have a great day!
Hi. Nope. First time I was there was about 1990. And they Had the consolation running but no other locomotive at all
The C&S cars that ran with the 71 were short because of the very tight turns. I rode this every summer till I moved to Australia.
Cool!! I’d love to have ridden... well sort of did. Rode the Blackhawk central when it was running. One of those short cars and the 71. But only about a mile.
I'm just an outsider looking in, but I love model railroads. The one thing that I always notice, however, when looking at overhead shots of towns, switch yards, etc., is the lack of color. In real life, life seems to take hold in every place possible. Weeds and grass grow everywhere it can, the sides of cliffs, ditches, any open areas with little or no traffic, etc., but in these models, you see large spaces of just dirt, with no weeds present. It makes for a very gray looking landscape, but when you look at real world photos of similar scenes, there is green everywhere. Just a tip for any modelers that are just getting into the hobby.
Really depends on the layout. Some are to colorful, some very bland. Take a look at Gil Bennett here on the channel. Very low in color, he's modeling mid November as he likes that look. But super real looking.
Your point is well taken but consider the model railroad as to when it is modelled and the time of the year and where the location is supposed to be. Looking at photos of mining areas when the railroad was built the hills and mountains were denuded of trees for mine props, timbering, and other wood. It is interesting to view photos of the Georgetown Loop when built and varying years since as to the reestablishment of trees and other vegetation. This is interesting for any location where there are photos taken over many years.
Yes, I am so much more cool after seeing this! My last time in Golden was in 1985, way before anything got off the ground as it is now. The AT&SF obs car I road in from Albuquerque to Belin and back as a second grader in 1962 was there! That was also the same trip ('85) that I saw the Loop. It wasn't operational on the day I was there; but from the road up to Silver Plum, I got a good look of it. Never got to Central City or Blackhawk. Thanks for the warning. But, it's Colorado. The beauty is still there even if we humans continue to screw it up. That's why I chose it for the Rocky Mountain Division of the Pacific Crest Railway (formerly the St. Louis, North Park & Pacific Crest). Who would have ever dreamed the nation's sixth transcontinental would choose the Cashe La Poudre River Canyon to climb to cross the Back Bone of the World! It's crazy, but it's cool. A buddy of mine at the Museum and I FINALLY have some of it running in DCC. Hopefully y'all can come to the Golden Spike party. Don't start packing yet; it's going to be awhile off. Colorado wasn't built in a day.
Golden spike.. Which layout? The museum?
@@ToyManTelevision No, mine here at home. It's my fifth and 53 (maybe 54 after September) years in coming! It took me that long (2009) to find a place just to be able to build something permanently! I began it in 2013 after recovering from from my career ending fall in 2011. I'm not sure if the Monterey & Salinas Valley (museum) layout ever had a Golden Spike ceremony. If they did, it was before I joined on four years ago.
Love to see it. We too are recovering workers. (teachers) Sort of. working harder now than ever.
@@ToyManTelevision How true! I'm constantly wondering now how I ever had time to work. I now need a 48 hour day! The pay sucks, but retirement is a blast! Did you teach history? You seem to have that blood. My brother did in California and New Mexico and it really rubbed off on me. He was 18 years older.
Karyn taught english as a second language, mostly to Spanish speaking migrant workers kids. I taught filmmaking. And sound for film. And film history.
One final note: Before the creation of the Colorado and Southern, both the Colorado Central (Georgetown, Silver Plume, Blackhawk, Central City, Golden) and the Denver, South Park and Pacific (Denver, Fairplay, Breckenridge, Leadville) were actually owned by the Union Pacific and Jay Gould.
As were the trolleys in Denver. Fort Collins and Salt Lake City. Huge then. Huger now!
Love your videos, would like to hang out and screw around sometime. If you ever get up north to Coeur d'alene, Idaho let me know I will show you my layout.
Why Did they stop running 71? Was there a problem with the locomotive or was it something else?
Politics. Bs. And loosing money. The track was pulled up and scraped and that was that. I’d like to see it go to the George Town loop. But it belongs to the city and by god it’s staying there. Forever. So unless they relay the track.... but as far as I know it’s ready to run. For the most part right now!!
Good stuff!
Great layout. Well earned reputation as a great layout.
Dale and Karen,
I live here in Aurora,Colorado me and my wife take a trip up to Blackhawk once a year and it Sicken me to what they did to once historical little town with all the crappie Casinos that are there now. It's really sad to see history wipe out.
Blackhawk is gone. Cripple creek is better, but dang. It was so good before
I like Victor, it's still very nice and with all the hiking trails to the mines you can't beat it!
I live in a mobile home, and shudder every time you mention that caved-in roof.
Bobby Slater I was a mobile home dweller for about 35 years.. One of the mobile homes I lived in was old enough that it had the rounded ends! Another one was the vintage of the Detroiter mentioned here. These older homes were pre HUD, before the Department of Housing and Urban Development took over the mobile home business in 1976. Better building standards for mobile homes were established. Better construction, and egress windows.
My best guess on why the roof on this Detroiter began to cave in, was the removal of the interior walls, to accommodate the railroad layout. Mobile home roofs made from tin are known to develop leaks, and need to be sealed periodically. I’m betting those factors contributed to the demise of the. Home.. but thank goodness that layout was saved!
I’m hoping your mobile home is safe! They do make great affordable housing! I feel sad every time I see where another mobile home park is facing closure. Not everyone can afford a house!
Thanks for the info. Fortunately my mobile home is made by Vindale, which is considered top of the line. I do have the roof sealed every two years, but the land rent here has gone up to $800. My friend lives in a 3-bedroom high ranch and pays only $700.
Vindale is one of the best! Good solid construction. One of my favs in vintage mobile homes, is the Holly Park. One can usually spot them, as they have bay windows on the front and rear of the home. They also have the dormer clearstory windows in the living room area. They are longer.. like 14' x 75'/80 feet, and usually only have 2 bedrooms, which makes for a huge living room, and kitchen. These are some very well constructed homes for the era. (1973)
One of the mobile homes that I lived in was a 1968 Biltmore. Now.. talk about flimsy construction! When I learned that the home had aluminum wiring... Well? Anyway... Sold that! My most recent home was a 1986 Nashua.. 14 x 70... HUD approved... I called that home for the next 20 years, until Dale and i were married. I still love "trailers" or, mobile homes. Here in SLC... on State Street...and across from the Train Shoppe... there is an old vintage mobile home park (trailer park) that was established in the late 40's. All of the homes in there, are 60's and older. I remember that park when I was a kid, and we would visit Salt Lake. It's still there! But I often wonder for how long? The land is in a prime location.. Well.. I hope that trailer court stays... Ya know...
Mine has Anderson windows, but I'm sure they were added before I moved in. The front bay window was covered and converted to an alcove, which is where I display my collectibles. Since this park has been here since 1945 and the rent keeps going up, I'm sure it will be here for a long time.
DL&G 191 is my favorite loco.
Yup. She’s a bute! Not the mountain kind, a beauty
I heard that a group is planning on restoring Colorado & Southern #60
YES. And get 71 going again. It runs! But no where to run it. I told them they should take it to Georgetown. But no one want these locos to leave, AND they have no railroad. And no place to build one.
What it the music when you were showing the layout?
It’s from smart sound. We buy music from them. Not sure what one that is. Check their web page. Really fun to just listen to their music
Toy Man Television Thank you!
Why did Narrow Guage Tender Engines have their fireboxes almost poking out of the rear of the cab?
To save space. Short is better in sharp curves. Sure makes them less comfortable to work in. But even small standard gauge locos did that. Check out "The Casey Jones" Tuesday. same layout.
Harry Brunk died earlier this year (spring 2023). So glad his amazing model train found a forever-home.
Didn’t know. Sad. We will have a similar story this fall. Jim Harper has a buyer for his Proto 48 layout. The buyer also has an On3 layout that is also on this level of quality. So we want to follow the move and setup.
RIP Harry Brunk
Is this Layout in HOn3? or another scale?
Hi. Yup HOn3.
@@ToyManTelevision Thanks. Love your shows. I'm downloading most of them, especially the ones about history, places to go, and prototype and model railroading. Want to do a Toy Man Television video about standard gauge S scale? I'm in Manti. I'm retired Air Force, though I'm still self employed--I build harps. :) :) :) .
I could see the difference between the two 71's. on the original it easy to identify the air tanks on the top of the engine's boiler. I'm going out on a limb here in saying that the spark interrupters were no more than screens over the smoke stacks that prevented sparks from flying out. I would imagine sparks flying out would have a detrimental effect on the surrounding environment. Remember what Smokey the Bear says," Only you can prevent forest fires" or prairie fires. The one and assuming original had all of these articles where as the imposter didn't. It looked the have the spark inhibitor along with the number 71 but that was all it had. I'm guessing is some marketing genius came with that idea. I can just here it, " What if we bought an old narrow gauge engine like the one that represents the town paint the number 71 on it and place it outside the casino it would be a great draw bringing in the crowds!""It will like just like the historic 71!" Yeah a real marketing genius. For what its worth.
Marketing people all think they are a wit. And they are half right. The "fake" 71 is really a nifty little locomotive. Very much like a Rio Grande C-21. They could have even painted it as one of those. No idea what it really is or where they got it. Cuba? But giving it a fake C and S paint job..... stupid "idea".
looks like what is happening to Moab minus the casinos
Awesome Video. How could you mention Blackhawk and Central City and not mention the Gilpin Traway.
Wanted to. But no footage of anything. And Harry didn't model it. So a story for a different day.
yea its one of the annoying lines that is only there in photo. I am having a go at making 3d models of the Engines and Rollingstock of the line.
I had a "version" on my old HO. Sort of a cross between the Gilpin and the Cresent Tram in Park City. HOn30. Planning on digging out that old stuff for some tuesday shows. Joe Works models mostly.
When I get money mite for a laugh have a go at doing it in HOn2 and scratch build everything.
I think z would gauge out to about 18". Hum......
Toy man television. I'm going to the Santa Cruz big trees and pacific railroad on June 19 or June 20 this week.
It’s a great ride. Have fun!!!!!!!
I didn't film it right now. I know all ready said that but I will ride it again sometime this year to film it.
Kind of wish you had spent much more time looking at every part of the model railroad, and had taken and included as many stills as you could of his models on display. you left far to much out.