Yeah, that would be awesome! Because I don't understand the material science of this, I kind of just trusted the statements during the interviews, but that is a really good point! I know in mice experiments, you don't leave electrodes in for extended periods of time. It may be because it's less clean, but even if you do leave them in, mice don't live more than a few years.
@@realizingresearch4194 materials science is a huge area of study for neural probes. Long story short - metal probes damage tissue and crack, and polymer materials are more biocompatible but break easily. IMO materials science is the thing standing between us and actual cyborgs. I feel that this is our limiting factor
@@realizingresearch4194 two research groups that come to mind are Polina Anikeeva's group at MIT and the Melosh Group at Stanford. There are many more out there studying biocompatibility and probe stability though
She understands hearing implants, but not neuralink? People who come from academia are the reason nothing ever gets done. Stop reasoning by analogy. The Utah array without the risk and at a higher bandwidth.
The concept of cyberpunk is cool in game, but the moment you start to this inside you... That's when it gets bad. I would just get an arm if I am in an accident.
I haven't followed scientists leaving Neuralink, so that could be very true. As far as patents go, Neuralink has quite a few of them. I worked in my university's licensing office for a bit, and it is very unlikely the scientist own the patents. They are probably the inventors, which would give them moral rights, but ownership belongs to the applicant, which is most likely Neuralink or maybe the University. Mostly because the application process is so expensive that individuals very rarely do it on their own.
@@realizingresearch4194 The patent he probably refers to is one of the Duke University. Nicolesis - the mentor of the former Neuralink-CEO, Max Hodak - publicly warned Hodak of using patented procedures/concepts for BMIs (the monkey experiments) as Neuralink PR stunts. IIRC 8 out of 9 founding scientists have already left Neuralink. I'd say it's an unethical scam company. Nicolesis is also an outspoken critic of Musk and his pseudoscientific promises with Neuralink and I totally agree ... Neuralink can be extremly damaging to such important fields of science. I also don't see any grand vision of Musk. He is basically just overselling research that is more than a decade old by shamelessly adding claims that don't even make sense on a basic level.
To your argument about the amount of signals. I'm a software engineer. If understand it correctly, it think the hope is that an AI will do its magic and nobody has to understand specifics. Artificial intelligence is not like if, then, else processing. Also it might be enough to work with abstracted signals to do interesting stuff. I wouldn't rule it out. Although the ethics of it all are questionable on many levels.
Great video, keep it up! If anything, you are way too nice and positive about Neuralink :D In my field, which deals with memory circuitry and engram encoding, the issue which makes us furious with Elon's hubris is decoding signals. For anyone interested: it is very difficult to separate fine signals in the brain (such as what is made when you imagine moving your right hand versus your right leg), mainly due to the fact we don't know what to look for and where. It is further complicated by differences between individuals of where and how the same specific signals might occur. Now imagine the same for typing letters - there simply is too many variables to interpret and we have no idea what "A" might look like in the brain. Training each individual person to type with their brains would be necessary, letter by letter, and would take an incredible amount of time and effort.
I completely agree with what you wrote and share in your Loathing of Elon Musk's hubris , arrogance and Blatant manipulation of the public at large. The guy is a modern snake oil salesman and a master of spin and empty "vaporware" product promises, that never end up working out but then just quietly get removed from websites to fade away into obscurity without criticism because the public is being marketed the next newest, Amazing thing. It is worrisome that Elon is at such a high level of extreme wealth and power that he keeps failing upwards and really has very little regulatory bodies or oversight to truly answer to. At this point nothing short of a pedophile scandal and conviction could potentially bring him down. It is starting to feel as though Musk will have a monopoly over much of the technology and commercial field, and that will be a dangerous world for any body who differs from his opinions or upsets his fragile ego. Sure the ideas and possibilities are potentially amazing, but his false promises and demanding push to get to the result at such a fast pace is ill advised and a disaster waiting to happen. There is a reason why so many of Neuralink's founding scientists abruptly resigned and left the company.
It would likely take training on the user's part, but you can also use machine learning internal to the BCI's interpreting, especially for limb-tracking. On an person-by-person basis you can track movement with on-site sensors and cross-compare those measurements with the reading done by the BCI. If you were to use NN's for learning how to interpret activity in a way that represents reality, you could easily be accurate enough to control prostheses and wearable motor enhancement technology. Control of prostheses has been done previously.
You miss the key point. Number of neurons and electrical impulses between neurons does NOT explain how we Experience" life (the world). "Housed in the brain" must be one hell of a consideration. What does the brain do? (if it were just a matter of electrical organization and stimulation I would expect at least a few of my electric guitar pedals to have experiences). Well, if you are a physicalist, it does a lot -- most of which we do not understand (hence the host uses "processing" and other meaningless catch terms in psychology. The hard problem is hard and we have NO clue. We do not even know what our terms of inquiry refer to [e.g., what is memory, what is a self, what is a mind...). Far too many people are involved in academia (in this case psychology) who are woefully under prepared to comment with any merit. Simply put "we credential folk well beyond their abilities".
It's a good video. It's about the improvements on the brain computer technology from the mindpong video, which is unrelated to my criticisms and came out after my video, but thanks for sharing.
It's unrelated to MY criticisms. He is talking about the electrode as a computer interface. I'm talking about using these as electrodes to cure disease most likely through stimulation.
@@HardKore5250 modern microprocessors clock billion times per second where single neuron clocks 200 times per second so its 10 million times faster. AI can stimulate precise locations at right times to generate images to your brain its similar to what happen when you have dream there are no signals coming from your eyes simply your dreams are your memories replay through neurons firing patterns
Oh yeah, I know that microprocessors are much faster, what I don't understand is how these faster signals are going to stimulate different neurons. This is based entirely on what I know of how electrophysiology is done. Most electrodes are not much larger than neurons, so each channel wouldn't connect to different neurons. They also seem unlikely to be connected to specific cells based on my experience. Usually cell-specific activation requires to attach to those neurons, which often results in those neurons dying and you trying again. My understanding is this will just be indirect stimulation that will hit neurons/dendrites/axons from different cells in a given region. Honestly, if I'm misunderstanding something, please let me know. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll fix it as best I can.
I had a TBI over 14 years ago that messed up my eyesight. I'm not really interested in getting anything like NeuralLink implant. I don't trust he knows what he's doing.
I know for a fact that you may be a busy person considering the field you are in, but I would really appreciate an update on your Neuralink video. Thanks!
Thanks for the comment! I'm going to have to do quite a bit of research for it, so it's probably gonna be a little over a week from now. Sorry about that. 😔
Well, I am a neuroscientist and I do like Neuralink - for the reasons you mentioned in the second half of the video. It is important as a proof of concept, as a demostration of what current engineering in combination with Artificial Intelligence can achieve. All the arguments against it in the first part of the video are also correct, but they are useful only as a cautionary note for people who see it as some kind of miracle-working solution to all our problems. It is not. But it is useful, and it pushes us forward.
Thanks for your input! It sounds like we're in agreement, and I don't want Neuralink to end, just to be recognized for what it is. Honestly, the title is just a bit of an eye-catcher. I tried to stay honest to it, my opinions, and the facts in the video.
I think Musk was saying 'in the future we could achieve' all these things, rather than offering this service now. He said 5-10 years on the Rogan podcast which is nonsense, but what Musk tends to do is promise something impossible, raising tons of excitement and money, while actually focusing on something way more attainable, which in this case is returning movement to people with severe disabilities. This has already been done in the lab, even quite a few years ago now, so it's possible Musk could do this more efficiently and offer it as a service within a decade. He also mentioned that he's focusing on increasing the amount of electrodes per interface, which in itself would be great progress. His methods seem to be extremely efficient so I think he has the ability to progress the field, though I think the claim to enhance cognition within 5 years is nonsense. But if he can get a product to market that can return movement to seriously disabled people, that would be great. (I am aware this vid is old, I will check the newer one presently).
Sadly, I uploaded this video the same day that the monkey video came out, making that part outdated. :( I still think it has a lot of valid points, so I'm not taking it down. I will try to make a follow up though.
@@realizingresearch4194 Yup, would love to hear your take on it. I think the monkey tech isn't new, the real breakthrough has been the hardware and decoding algorithms.imo
BCI's have obviously been around for decades, but Musk certainly has created some form of popular excitement for it, and the publicising of Neuralink will lead to more people, especially youth, being interested in contributing to BCI's. It's also pretty clear that Neuralink isn't completely groundbreaking, but if anything, that fact should be motivating for people wanting to contribute, as there is much still to be done. I also suspect that sadly the market approach might be the best way for this kind of stuff. Things like DBS are leagues behind what they could be. Neuralink could still be a significant contributor - by getting some kind of product availability momentum - and that could be a spark that leads to significant development and ingenuity, as well as merging with other technologies. And yeah the language downloading and consciousness-uploading stuff is ridiculous, on Musk's part. It seems pretty obvious that the most significant benefits (in the immediate short-term) of BCI's will be medical; higher throughput control of digital devices; and control of prostheses and wearable motor enhancement technology. Idealistic functions of BCI's would be things like augmented reality with corneal implants, that kind of stuff.
The lofty goals set by Elon Musk are meant to drive engineers to push the limits of what's currently possible. Spacex is nowhere near colonizing mars yet Spacex has the best rocket technology in the world. Tesla doesn't have self driving cars but the goal has pushed them to have arguably the best self driving cars.
Yeah, I totally get that. I think pushing is a good thing. I didn't mention it, but it's definitely another difference between academia and industry. Industry (Elon Musk especially) is willing to push the boundaries much more than academia. Sometimes it doesn't go well, but Elon Musk has made it work for many other things.
Interesting, but probably for reason not intended. You made me wonder about a thing I am struggling with myself, and limiting the scope on things I do have "some" knowledge on/towards, but am not "educated" towards. *"I'm not the expert."* What you actually are saying is "I don't have the "authority" to "speak" on the matter at hand." But that is not the point, since you have thoughts to say, thus the video. What does give authority? A diploma? A PHD? So what makes the "expert" or "frontier" on that level of "expertise"? Being one of the first? Social hierarchies in scientific fields.
I think this topic in particular is incredibly complex. You not only have to be an expert in neuroscience (PhD level is what I mean), but you also need to have a really good grasp on the engineering for the microchips (BS or MS maybe) and the human anatomy and physiology (most likely an MD). I think you can know enough from any of these fields to speak on the topic of Nueralink, but you should always recognize areas of the topic that you don't know as much about. The more knowledge you seek, the more you realize how much you don't know. :)
@@realizingresearch4194 :D Agree, chaotic complex in bird view, and beautiful simplistic in close ups. So that does not count out the knowledge you have gathered up to now, even "off-the-record". (I [my ghost] stand on the shoulders of giants. [off the record]) Wanting is not the same as needing. Just because one can, does not mean they should, and what is good in some cases might be wrong in different situations. And that should be debatable up front, not after. I know it is easier to ask forgiveness than to ask for permissions/consent. Alien species and ecosystems. We do not control life, that is an illusion. Life controls us. This is just a new layer of controlling, in my humble and lesser educated opinion. Logic can also kill the romance, and vise versa; love can make us act like fools. It's a thin line, a flip of the switch and laws so to speak. History shows our dark desire to control others, this should be enough of a warning sign. This world is not my choice, but it is pushed down on me as our new reality. I remember the tests with rats and chips that could be controlled like remote control cars. etc. I heard of the story of Erin Valenti, etc. Guess I have no valid voice of complaint as a "non-professional". Guess I am just still lacking in knowledge, granted. ;P Blame it on the educational systems and socio-economics that are tied into that. :S
I find that the TLDR version of this is that they get hung up on things Elon says and then tend to dismiss the whole thing because of it. Smart people can be surprisingly stupid like that. Regarding Neuralink itself i think we will be seeing some very VERY impressive computer control example's as soon as the first human trials starts. The harder and real challenge for an actual product will be material science and how the implant handle long term exposure to the inside of a persons head. The spread of BMIs will depend on its cost and lifespan. To expansive and short lasting and it will remain a cool party trick. The cheaper and more long lived it gets the more normalized as something everyone have it becomes. And more and more of future devises and digital thing is general will be designed around them if that happens. And thats just with reading spikes that allow for easier and faster computer control. I am very sceptic about having any useful way to input to the brain from what they have talked about so far. But if that ever becomes possible we really get into crazy sci-fi land.
I totally agree! I think Elon Musk is incredibly intelligent, and he is way more aware of what his tech is capable of than I am. I just want people to recognize that he is also biased, and while his statements aren't incorrect per say, they are meant to make us believe in his company. I kind of avoided the interface part, mostly because I'm not as familiar with that as I am the neuroscience part. Because people are so excited and eager about a computer interface, I think they will be doing awesome things relatively quickly, like you mentioned. It's just. It's brain surgery! You only have one, and it doesn't repair itself well. The interface needs to be capable of doing pretty amazing things to convince me it's worth it.
@@realizingresearch4194 Elon tends to over sell his company's on a regular basis. But he also pushes them to do some incredible things. The trick is to be more nuanced then "its all crap" or "its all awesome" But people are bad at doing that. And yea the trials will probably do alot of super cool stuff. But for a healthy person the cost and longevity of the implant needs to be good. Neuralink have mentioned it before but people dont seem to understand that the implant have a limited lifespan and is not just a one and done thing. The control might be mind-blowing but if you need to remove/replace it after a few months or even years the risk of its use changes. But also like you mentioned in the video one of the big values Elon brings is that now people with recourse's goals and deadlines are working on the problem. And that tends to accelerate progress good or bad.
@@realizingresearch4194 There are tons of quadriplegic people out there. It’s quite refreshing to see a billionaire try and fight for these people. This reminds me of tons and tons of rocket scientist tell Elon it’s impossible to land rockets on a ship in middle of an ocean.
Would love to see your take on the recent human studies being done by Synchron. Their procedure is much less invasive than NeuraLink. It’s probably why they got FDA approval to continue their research.
So, I think I mentioned it very briefly when I talk about Deep Brain Stimulation. The only thing I could think that would come close to working with what we know now is stimulating in areas of the brain that are known to be important for memory, retention, and learning. But that's a very dangerous game. There is also some research that say replicating a state of mind that you had when you studied something will help you remember it (like say if you were hungry or tired or drunk). I wonder if you could stimulate certain areas as you learn and re-stimulate them to try to replicate a "state of mind" to help recall that information. Hmmm, interesting but also highly dangerous.
I know Neuralink is a very interesting topic, but I'm not going to devote my channel to it. There are too many interesting topics to cover. I will probably come back to again in the future though. Take care!
thanks for the video. I agree with most of your comment. I am not a neuroscientist, so I don't know the research frontier in the field. The way I see Neuralink is that they "replicate" some other stuffs that have been published by neuroscientists. If I am not mistaken, the breakthrough itself dates back to a publication in 2006 and 2014? I see it not just as a "replication" effort, but more like "replication" using new technologies/products (as you mentioned in the video: smaller chips, wireless, 1024 electrodes, etc). Watching a monkey plays a pong with only his mind amazes me and gets me excited about the future! I hope neuroscientists get more exposure and funding (also more importantly, credits!). Sorry for my bad english
Thanks for the comment! I agree. The engineering and AI is the the novel part of Neuralink, and they plan to use previous neuroscience research. I just hope they move forward responsibly. It will be exciting to see what they bring next.
Stealing from older published work and research and just repackaging it as new and cutting edge seems to be Elon Musk's and his companies M.O. Even when you actually look into the patents that Elon has in his own name , it is less than impressive. What I hate is how Elon gets all the fame, credit and accolades, but the ideas aren't original or his, and any progress and all of the work is done by very capable and accomplished scientists and engineers. But if a product fails, or there is a setback, it's Always Someone else's fault and Elon goes on an abusive firing rampage. He is at the level where he has so much wealth and power with relatively very little regulatory oversight or effective consequences to any wrong or bad acts ( The SEC delivered a mere slap on the wrist and he is forever mocking and insulting their authority) Elon has threatened and blacklisted any journalists that he feels were to questioning or unsupported to the point that now he is hardly questioned publicly, out of fear. it feels like he is on his way to a fascist dictatorship.
@2:38 Many in Academia also has for-profit interest. Many Professors start companies off their research. It is also easier for academia to get grant if the research has a business-slant
You are talking about the first chip with 1024 electrodes . Do you think that in 10 years their chip will still have 1024 electrodes ? *Elon Musk* ... enough said.
Hmmm, you're right. They will definitely be scaling the electrode number up. I mean they mentioned in the recent video with the monkey that he had thousands of electrodes, suggesting they're already using more than 1024 electrodes. I think they need it to become somewhat marketable in the next 10-20 years, so they will definitely be working really hard to scale up to a number that can accomplish what they're hoping for. I look forward to seeing where it goes.
Sarif was right about one thing. It's in our nature to want to rise above our limits. Think about it. We were cold, so we harnessed fire. We were weak, so we invented tools. Every time we met an obstacle, we used creativity and ingenuity to overcome it. The cycle is inevitable. In the past, we've had to compensate for weaknesses, finding quick solutions that only benefit a few. But what if we never need to feel weak or morally conflicted again? What if the path Sarif wants us to take enables us to hold on to higher values with more stability? One thing is obvious. For the first time in history, we have a chance to steal fire from the gods. To turn away from it now - to stop pursing a future in which technology and biology combine, leading to the promise of a Singularity - would mean to deny the very essence of who we are. No doubt the road to get there will be bumpy, hurting some people along the way. But won't achieving the dream be worth it? We can become the gods we've always been striving to be. We might as well get good at it. - Deus Ex Human Revolution
You think that you are the one that we should listening to because you are studied woman? Are you more educated than Christians monks in medieval or current high standing church officiants? Because, dear madam believe me or not, these men was and are much more educated than any of scientist in nowadays. And i don't think that listening any of them just because they believe we should listening them because of their education is a good idea. Or do you think that people shoudon't make their own research and make their own decision (then what is the difference between believe church and believe a scientists)? I have no problem with this informational video, but i have problem with your introductory comment.
So true...no where close to victory...please make a video on the underground illegal experiments on victims of neuro invasion ...tell how much we suffer!!!
Someone has to start this tech because we need it either now or in the future, if Musk is there to begin however much the brain activities are complex compared to todays tech let him take the initiative.
I completely agree! I think progressing it forward is a good move, and Elon Musk is a good person to do it. My only concern is making sure people understand what it's capable of and when.
Thanks for the great insight. Just subscribed your channel. However I notice you haven't produced new videos for a while. I am sending my support. Hopefully, you come back soon and produce more scientific educational content to the general public.
You scientist are always forced to produce, whereas the industrialists are not always forced to. Being forced to produce is the classic example of chains and ball for creativity. You can’t be creative unless it happens by accident. I recognize the greatest scientist as the scientist-commercialist. By the end of the day Edison got to produce value to society, while Tesla’s only value for society was his tragic-and-often-inspiring story.
Also it’s unethical if they are doing that to people who have unwilling have had a Neurolink placed in them just to prove a point… perhaps those ethics need to be considered too…
The only way to fix the problem with Neurolink is to stop Neurolink… this experiment is so incredibly cruel that I don’t know but think that I, personally, would want to be put down like the lab rat that I was used as if I had a microchip implanted in my brain. I, however, would also think it was cruel if they actually killed animals and people they had violated by putting a microchip into their brain.
Okay, I have been thinking about this comment for like 30min and cannot tell if it's a compliment or an insult. Am I one of the people with actual credentials?
I think you should not confuse the brain complexity to WHAT CAN BE LEARNED AND DONE TO THE BRAIN 🧠. Brain is complex but never say it cant be done or it's way beyond comprehending. Things can be done. Elon Musk is not a doctor but he is opening to the world that if you can do it, come and we will do it. All what is mentioned can be treated by first allowing everyone to perticipate. If you are overthinking things, who will work on them? Just let people do the work. Let the brain make the brain.
I am confident that neural link will achieve everything that they claim. It’s just a matter of time. The value Elon seems to bring is that he attracts attention and resources to a problem with his first principles approach that seems to see more clearly than most people what is possible. Elon’s approach is probably the best and fastest way to reach a successful outcome, or not. The way science had proceeded before Elon was quite glacial like and he saw that time is simply not on humanity’s side.
There is always been naysayers you're giving your opinion of what you're entitled to but the man has done things that we're not dream before like the car rocket come back
A device that will allow my son to talk cost around 17000$. Using eyes to move the curser etc. It may not suit him because he can't control his body. Now what Elon Musk is doing is amazing. I am sure the device will work for my son because the message will not be needed to be relayed through the eyes. The message will go straight to the device to say his thoughts. Once this is approved and affordable, I am in for my son. You can't know how much i appreciate this technology. Seeing my son being full aware and clever but not able to talk is terrible.
Of course all of this sounds impossible, that is because so advanced technology was never invented. Few years back most people didn’t even believe that we would have mini computers (smartphones) in our pockets in the future. With right tolls and knowledge everything is possible.
I guess Elon kinda went off the deep end with his prognosis of what Neuralink would do sometime in the future, but oh well. All we can do is try it. Let's see what happens in a couple years......
All the qualified expert scientists that love it have already joined Neuralink. The rest of the scientists on the outside can only criticize using incomplete public knowledge.
That's very true! Scientists will not have any of the proprietary information. We have to work off of what is known about the science, but thus far none of what Neuralink has shown is outside the scope of what we know in academia. We'll see what happens in the future though. I look forward to it!
Elon doesn't clearly differentiate what needs further development and what is ready for market. Elon develops technology so he is a scientist. And in the truest sense. Old saying, "since I don't have an education, I'm going to have to use my head". Elon knows how to present projects to the venture capitalist, to further fund his research. He's kind of like the "Prince" of technology. He can play all the instruments himself, he just needs to hire a band for tours.
first of all great video, all points are clearly valid but, what i believe scientists are missing is the fact that elon has taken what is usually only used in research projects and turned it into a product that can be made readily available for anyone whos paralysed in order to interact with a computer to regain quality of life. that step from research project to product is what scientists usually miss. great video again!
I hope that what Elon Musk says never becomes a reality because the human experiments that will have to be done is too high of a cost…. And I’m not talking about a monetary cost I’m talking about the sacrificing of human lives. And that monkey is being manipulated with invasive AI
I'm sure there are many people with a low quality of life who are willing to put it to the test for the chance at a miracle! Same reason that people with advanced diseases do experimental drugs and procedures..
Our smartphones have Android version you know that software kernel is associated with this neuroling project also his EX employee Shovon xills is a present 4th wife of out Elone mask
You scientist are always forced to produce, whereas the industrialists are not always forced to. Being forced to produce is the classic example of chains and ball for creativity. You can’t be creative unless it happens by accident. I recognize the greatest scientist as the scientist-commercialist. By the end of the day Edison got to produce value to society, while Tesla’s only value for society was his tragic-and-often-inspiring story.
a wise man once said "If you think a recreational lobotomy would somehow make you smarter, you're probably right!"
Great! Even more of a reason Neuralink is good then.
the mark of the beast is coming!
A wise man once said “Nothing at al”
@Zack Smith so good that it doesn’t work when someone wants it to fail!
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They should be interested in STOPPING this monstrosity
Yeah we are biological creatures not dna based ai or some cyborgs
Totally agree, you know this aint gonna end well it never does
I definitely agree with you. I hope that someone addresses the materials science aspect of this
Yeah, that would be awesome! Because I don't understand the material science of this, I kind of just trusted the statements during the interviews, but that is a really good point! I know in mice experiments, you don't leave electrodes in for extended periods of time. It may be because it's less clean, but even if you do leave them in, mice don't live more than a few years.
@@realizingresearch4194 materials science is a huge area of study for neural probes. Long story short - metal probes damage tissue and crack, and polymer materials are more biocompatible but break easily. IMO materials science is the thing standing between us and actual cyborgs. I feel that this is our limiting factor
@@LucasDimoveo Very interesting! I'm gonna have to look more into this. Thanks for sharing!
@@realizingresearch4194 two research groups that come to mind are Polina Anikeeva's group at MIT and the Melosh Group at Stanford. There are many more out there studying biocompatibility and probe stability though
the mark of the beast is coming!
She understands hearing implants, but not neuralink? People who come from academia are the reason nothing ever gets done. Stop reasoning by analogy. The Utah array without the risk and at a higher bandwidth.
The concept of cyberpunk is cool in game, but the moment you start to this inside you... That's when it gets bad. I would just get an arm if I am in an accident.
Technology AI is the biggest weapon against humanity, it never ends well. Stay natural to yourself, know thyself
He's not a genius, unless by genius you mean vaporware salesman.
That's why all the MIT scientist left Neuralink. Fun fact they own the patent on Neuralink.
I haven't followed scientists leaving Neuralink, so that could be very true. As far as patents go, Neuralink has quite a few of them. I worked in my university's licensing office for a bit, and it is very unlikely the scientist own the patents. They are probably the inventors, which would give them moral rights, but ownership belongs to the applicant, which is most likely Neuralink or maybe the University. Mostly because the application process is so expensive that individuals very rarely do it on their own.
@@realizingresearch4194 The patent he probably refers to is one of the Duke University. Nicolesis - the mentor of the former Neuralink-CEO, Max Hodak - publicly warned Hodak of using patented procedures/concepts for BMIs (the monkey experiments) as Neuralink PR stunts. IIRC 8 out of 9 founding scientists have already left Neuralink. I'd say it's an unethical scam company.
Nicolesis is also an outspoken critic of Musk and his pseudoscientific promises with Neuralink and I totally agree ... Neuralink can be extremly damaging to such important fields of science.
I also don't see any grand vision of Musk. He is basically just overselling research that is more than a decade old by shamelessly adding claims that don't even make sense on a basic level.
To your argument about the amount of signals. I'm a software engineer. If understand it correctly, it think the hope is that an AI will do its magic and nobody has to understand specifics. Artificial intelligence is not like if, then, else processing. Also it might be enough to work with abstracted signals to do interesting stuff. I wouldn't rule it out. Although the ethics of it all are questionable on many levels.
Great video, keep it up! If anything, you are way too nice and positive about Neuralink :D In my field, which deals with memory circuitry and engram encoding, the issue which makes us furious with Elon's hubris is decoding signals. For anyone interested: it is very difficult to separate fine signals in the brain (such as what is made when you imagine moving your right hand versus your right leg), mainly due to the fact we don't know what to look for and where. It is further complicated by differences between individuals of where and how the same specific signals might occur. Now imagine the same for typing letters - there simply is too many variables to interpret and we have no idea what "A" might look like in the brain. Training each individual person to type with their brains would be necessary, letter by letter, and would take an incredible amount of time and effort.
the mark of the beast is coming
Yes-still worth it for people who are tetraplegic, for instance.
I completely agree with what you wrote and share in your Loathing of Elon Musk's hubris , arrogance and Blatant manipulation of the public at large. The guy is a modern snake oil salesman and a master of spin and empty "vaporware" product promises, that never end up working out but then just quietly get removed from websites to fade away into obscurity without criticism because the public is being marketed the next newest, Amazing thing.
It is worrisome that Elon is at such a high level of extreme wealth and power that he keeps failing upwards and really has very little regulatory bodies or oversight to truly answer to. At this point nothing short of a pedophile scandal and conviction could potentially bring him down. It is starting to feel as though Musk will have a monopoly over much of the technology and commercial field, and that will be a dangerous world for any body who differs from his opinions or upsets his fragile ego.
Sure the ideas and possibilities are potentially amazing, but his false promises and demanding push to get to the result at such a fast pace is ill advised and a disaster waiting to happen.
There is a reason why so many of Neuralink's founding scientists abruptly resigned and left the company.
Thanks! I love seeing knowledgeable people debunking Vaporware!!
It would likely take training on the user's part, but you can also use machine learning internal to the BCI's interpreting, especially for limb-tracking. On an person-by-person basis you can track movement with on-site sensors and cross-compare those measurements with the reading done by the BCI. If you were to use NN's for learning how to interpret activity in a way that represents reality, you could easily be accurate enough to control prostheses and wearable motor enhancement technology. Control of prostheses has been done previously.
You miss the key point. Number of neurons and electrical impulses between neurons does NOT explain how we Experience" life (the world). "Housed in the brain" must be one hell of a consideration. What does the brain do? (if it were just a matter of electrical organization and stimulation I would expect at least a few of my electric guitar pedals to have experiences). Well, if you are a physicalist, it does a lot -- most of which we do not understand (hence the host uses "processing" and other meaningless catch terms in psychology. The hard problem is hard and we have NO clue. We do not even know what our terms of inquiry refer to [e.g., what is memory, what is a self, what is a mind...).
Far too many people are involved in academia (in this case psychology) who are woefully under prepared to comment with any merit. Simply put "we credential folk well beyond their abilities".
Keep it up. I'm looking forward to how this tech progresses and hope you don't get demoralized from just idiotic fans who dislike based on titles.
I will definitely keep going. I am a little concerned about getting hate, but hopefully we'll all stay cordial. 😀
the mark of the beast is coming!
Well did the patient who he was doing brain surgery on actually live or did it kill him and that’s why the tremors stopped?
I would argue that many academic pursuit isn't only for knowledge but recognition in which knowledge is the byproduct.
Yeah getting into personal ambition was a bit too much for the video. The knowledge gained and recognition often go hand in hand in academia for sure.
@@realizingresearch4194 and here is the actual perspective for Expert.
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It's a good video. It's about the improvements on the brain computer technology from the mindpong video, which is unrelated to my criticisms and came out after my video, but thanks for sharing.
@@realizingresearch4194 how is this unrelated?
It's unrelated to MY criticisms. He is talking about the electrode as a computer interface. I'm talking about using these as electrodes to cure disease most likely through stimulation.
the idea is microchip faster than neurons by order of magnitudes so ten channels can stimulate large number of neurons
Cool how much faster?
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modern microprocessors clock billion times per second where single neuron clocks 200 times per second so its 10 million times faster.
AI can stimulate precise locations at right times to generate images to your brain its similar to what happen when you have dream there are no signals coming from your eyes simply your dreams are your memories replay through neurons firing patterns
Oh yeah, I know that microprocessors are much faster, what I don't understand is how these faster signals are going to stimulate different neurons. This is based entirely on what I know of how electrophysiology is done. Most electrodes are not much larger than neurons, so each channel wouldn't connect to different neurons. They also seem unlikely to be connected to specific cells based on my experience. Usually cell-specific activation requires to attach to those neurons, which often results in those neurons dying and you trying again. My understanding is this will just be indirect stimulation that will hit neurons/dendrites/axons from different cells in a given region. Honestly, if I'm misunderstanding something, please let me know. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll fix it as best I can.
@@virtualknight5669 Awesome thats why A.I. will be conscious one day.
How is the speed of the microprocessor be a factor in the number of neurons it can stimulate?
I had a TBI over 14 years ago that messed up my eyesight. I'm not really interested in getting anything like NeuralLink implant. I don't trust he knows what he's doing.
Men shall seek death but death shall flee from them!!
Trying to live forever and be like God.
Cant
Nobody is trying to live forever. Jesus made the blind see, the crippled walk. I think He'd approve.
I know for a fact that you may be a busy person considering the field you are in, but I would really appreciate an update on your Neuralink video. Thanks!
Thanks for the comment! I'm going to have to do quite a bit of research for it, so it's probably gonna be a little over a week from now. Sorry about that. 😔
Well, I am a neuroscientist and I do like Neuralink - for the reasons you mentioned in the second half of the video. It is important as a proof of concept, as a demostration of what current engineering in combination with Artificial Intelligence can achieve. All the arguments against it in the first part of the video are also correct, but they are useful only as a cautionary note for people who see it as some kind of miracle-working solution to all our problems. It is not. But it is useful, and it pushes us forward.
Thanks for your input! It sounds like we're in agreement, and I don't want Neuralink to end, just to be recognized for what it is. Honestly, the title is just a bit of an eye-catcher. I tried to stay honest to it, my opinions, and the facts in the video.
I think Musk was saying 'in the future we could achieve' all these things, rather than offering this service now. He said 5-10 years on the Rogan podcast which is nonsense, but what Musk tends to do is promise something impossible, raising tons of excitement and money, while actually focusing on something way more attainable, which in this case is returning movement to people with severe disabilities. This has already been done in the lab, even quite a few years ago now, so it's possible Musk could do this more efficiently and offer it as a service within a decade. He also mentioned that he's focusing on increasing the amount of electrodes per interface, which in itself would be great progress. His methods seem to be extremely efficient so I think he has the ability to progress the field, though I think the claim to enhance cognition within 5 years is nonsense. But if he can get a product to market that can return movement to seriously disabled people, that would be great. (I am aware this vid is old, I will check the newer one presently).
You just described.. investment fraud.
@@DeepState5 I wish more of the general public would realize That Musk is a shady snake oil salesman.
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Hahahahaha he did. Musk always seems to find himself in hot water with the SEC
The thing about these ambitions is not that they have better science but are able to use existing science in a way that's useful
Is this video old and uploaded later? The money video is already out.
Sadly, I uploaded this video the same day that the monkey video came out, making that part outdated. :( I still think it has a lot of valid points, so I'm not taking it down. I will try to make a follow up though.
@@realizingresearch4194 Yup, would love to hear your take on it. I think the monkey tech isn't new, the real breakthrough has been the hardware and decoding algorithms.imo
BCI's have obviously been around for decades, but Musk certainly has created some form of popular excitement for it, and the publicising of Neuralink will lead to more people, especially youth, being interested in contributing to BCI's. It's also pretty clear that Neuralink isn't completely groundbreaking, but if anything, that fact should be motivating for people wanting to contribute, as there is much still to be done. I also suspect that sadly the market approach might be the best way for this kind of stuff. Things like DBS are leagues behind what they could be. Neuralink could still be a significant contributor - by getting some kind of product availability momentum - and that could be a spark that leads to significant development and ingenuity, as well as merging with other technologies.
And yeah the language downloading and consciousness-uploading stuff is ridiculous, on Musk's part. It seems pretty obvious that the most significant benefits (in the immediate short-term) of BCI's will be medical; higher throughput control of digital devices; and control of prostheses and wearable motor enhancement technology. Idealistic functions of BCI's would be things like augmented reality with corneal implants, that kind of stuff.
The lofty goals set by Elon Musk are meant to drive engineers to push the limits of what's currently possible. Spacex is nowhere near colonizing mars yet Spacex has the best rocket technology in the world. Tesla doesn't have self driving cars but the goal has pushed them to have arguably the best self driving cars.
Yeah, I totally get that. I think pushing is a good thing. I didn't mention it, but it's definitely another difference between academia and industry. Industry (Elon Musk especially) is willing to push the boundaries much more than academia. Sometimes it doesn't go well, but Elon Musk has made it work for many other things.
Interesting, but probably for reason not intended.
You made me wonder about a thing I am struggling with myself, and limiting the scope on things I do have "some" knowledge on/towards, but am not "educated" towards. *"I'm not the expert."* What you actually are saying is "I don't have the "authority" to "speak" on the matter at hand." But that is not the point, since you have thoughts to say, thus the video. What does give authority? A diploma? A PHD?
So what makes the "expert" or "frontier" on that level of "expertise"? Being one of the first? Social hierarchies in scientific fields.
I think this topic in particular is incredibly complex. You not only have to be an expert in neuroscience (PhD level is what I mean), but you also need to have a really good grasp on the engineering for the microchips (BS or MS maybe) and the human anatomy and physiology (most likely an MD). I think you can know enough from any of these fields to speak on the topic of Nueralink, but you should always recognize areas of the topic that you don't know as much about. The more knowledge you seek, the more you realize how much you don't know. :)
@@realizingresearch4194 :D Agree, chaotic complex in bird view, and beautiful simplistic in close ups. So that does not count out the knowledge you have gathered up to now, even "off-the-record". (I [my ghost] stand on the shoulders of giants. [off the record])
Wanting is not the same as needing.
Just because one can, does not mean they should, and what is good in some cases might be wrong in different situations. And that should be debatable up front, not after. I know it is easier to ask forgiveness than to ask for permissions/consent.
Alien species and ecosystems.
We do not control life, that is an illusion.
Life controls us. This is just a new layer of controlling, in my humble and lesser educated opinion.
Logic can also kill the romance, and vise versa; love can make us act like fools.
It's a thin line, a flip of the switch and laws so to speak.
History shows our dark desire to control others, this should be enough of a warning sign. This world is not my choice, but it is pushed down on me as our new reality.
I remember the tests with rats and chips that could be controlled like remote control cars. etc. I heard of the story of Erin Valenti, etc.
Guess I have no valid voice of complaint as a "non-professional". Guess I am just still lacking in knowledge, granted. ;P
Blame it on the educational systems and socio-economics that are tied into that. :S
No man rich man poor man Freeman slave and bond's man shall be able to buy or sell unless he has that mark in his forehead and right hand.
What mark on forehead? Can you send a link?
I find that the TLDR version of this is that they get hung up on things Elon says and then tend to dismiss the whole thing because of it. Smart people can be surprisingly stupid like that. Regarding Neuralink itself i think we will be seeing some very VERY impressive computer control example's as soon as the first human trials starts. The harder and real challenge for an actual product will be material science and how the implant handle long term exposure to the inside of a persons head. The spread of BMIs will depend on its cost and lifespan. To expansive and short lasting and it will remain a cool party trick. The cheaper and more long lived it gets the more normalized as something everyone have it becomes. And more and more of future devises and digital thing is general will be designed around them if that happens. And thats just with reading spikes that allow for easier and faster computer control. I am very sceptic about having any useful way to input to the brain from what they have talked about so far. But if that ever becomes possible we really get into crazy sci-fi land.
I totally agree! I think Elon Musk is incredibly intelligent, and he is way more aware of what his tech is capable of than I am. I just want people to recognize that he is also biased, and while his statements aren't incorrect per say, they are meant to make us believe in his company. I kind of avoided the interface part, mostly because I'm not as familiar with that as I am the neuroscience part. Because people are so excited and eager about a computer interface, I think they will be doing awesome things relatively quickly, like you mentioned. It's just. It's brain surgery! You only have one, and it doesn't repair itself well. The interface needs to be capable of doing pretty amazing things to convince me it's worth it.
@@realizingresearch4194 Elon tends to over sell his company's on a regular basis. But he also pushes them to do some incredible things. The trick is to be more nuanced then "its all crap" or "its all awesome" But people are bad at doing that. And yea the trials will probably do alot of super cool stuff. But for a healthy person the cost and longevity of the implant needs to be good. Neuralink have mentioned it before but people dont seem to understand that the implant have a limited lifespan and is not just a one and done thing. The control might be mind-blowing but if you need to remove/replace it after a few months or even years the risk of its use changes. But also like you mentioned in the video one of the big values Elon brings is that now people with recourse's goals and deadlines are working on the problem. And that tends to accelerate progress good or bad.
@@RasakBlood Yes, Yes, Yes! This is literally my whole point in your comment! 😄
@@realizingresearch4194 There are tons of quadriplegic people out there. It’s quite refreshing to see a billionaire try and fight for these people. This reminds me of tons and tons of rocket scientist tell Elon it’s impossible to land rockets on a ship in middle of an ocean.
I agree it is awesome to be able to help quadriplegics! Hopefully, he'll prove me wrong too! I would be really happy for that. :)
Would love to see your take on the recent human studies being done by Synchron. Their procedure is much less invasive than NeuraLink. It’s probably why they got FDA approval to continue their research.
It sounds like what the Bible describes in the book of revelation as the mark of the beast. Wake up people
you didnt adress the enhanced cognition
They did
So, I think I mentioned it very briefly when I talk about Deep Brain Stimulation. The only thing I could think that would come close to working with what we know now is stimulating in areas of the brain that are known to be important for memory, retention, and learning. But that's a very dangerous game. There is also some research that say replicating a state of mind that you had when you studied something will help you remember it (like say if you were hungry or tired or drunk). I wonder if you could stimulate certain areas as you learn and re-stimulate them to try to replicate a "state of mind" to help recall that information. Hmmm, interesting but also highly dangerous.
Excellent Video. We'd like to hear alot more about Neuralink. Thank You.
I know Neuralink is a very interesting topic, but I'm not going to devote my channel to it. There are too many interesting topics to cover. I will probably come back to again in the future though. Take care!
thanks for the video. I agree with most of your comment. I am not a neuroscientist, so I don't know the research frontier in the field. The way I see Neuralink is that they "replicate" some other stuffs that have been published by neuroscientists. If I am not mistaken, the breakthrough itself dates back to a publication in 2006 and 2014? I see it not just as a "replication" effort, but more like "replication" using new technologies/products (as you mentioned in the video: smaller chips, wireless, 1024 electrodes, etc). Watching a monkey plays a pong with only his mind amazes me and gets me excited about the future! I hope neuroscientists get more exposure and funding (also more importantly, credits!). Sorry for my bad english
Thanks for the comment! I agree. The engineering and AI is the the novel part of Neuralink, and they plan to use previous neuroscience research. I just hope they move forward responsibly. It will be exciting to see what they bring next.
the mark of the beast is coming soon!
Stealing from older published work and research and just repackaging it as new and cutting edge seems to be Elon Musk's and his companies M.O. Even when you actually look into the patents that Elon has in his own name , it is less than impressive.
What I hate is how Elon gets all the fame, credit and accolades, but the ideas aren't original or his, and any progress and all of the work is done by very capable and accomplished scientists and engineers. But if a product fails, or there is a setback, it's Always Someone else's fault and Elon goes on an abusive firing rampage.
He is at the level where he has so much wealth and power with relatively very little regulatory oversight or effective consequences to any wrong or bad acts ( The SEC delivered a mere slap on the wrist and he is forever mocking and insulting their authority)
Elon has threatened and blacklisted any journalists that he feels were to questioning or unsupported to the point that now he is hardly questioned publicly, out of fear.
it feels like he is on his way to a fascist dictatorship.
Think about it!
@2:38 Many in Academia also has for-profit interest. Many Professors start companies off their research. It is also easier for academia to get grant if the research has a business-slant
Did yall notice on the elon musk presentation when he said wireless Neuro transplant?? WIRELESS?
I think he's talking about the communication with a phone or computer will be via bluetooth.
That's the most logical way for it to work. I'm sure the channels to those devices will not be common communication channels and they will be secure.
I love that you include all of your sources! Interesting topic.
Thanks! I try to include things in case people wanted to learn more. I'm really glad you liked it!
the mark of the beast is on the way
You are talking about the first chip with 1024 electrodes .
Do you think that in 10 years their chip will still have 1024 electrodes ?
*Elon Musk* ... enough said.
Hmmm, you're right. They will definitely be scaling the electrode number up. I mean they mentioned in the recent video with the monkey that he had thousands of electrodes, suggesting they're already using more than 1024 electrodes. I think they need it to become somewhat marketable in the next 10-20 years, so they will definitely be working really hard to scale up to a number that can accomplish what they're hoping for. I look forward to seeing where it goes.
whenever someone says SpaceX, all I hear is space-sex
Sarif was right about one thing. It's in our nature to want to rise above our limits. Think about it. We were cold, so we harnessed fire. We were weak, so we invented tools. Every time we met an obstacle, we used creativity and ingenuity to overcome it. The cycle is inevitable. In the past, we've had to compensate for weaknesses, finding quick solutions that only benefit a few. But what if we never need to feel weak or morally conflicted again? What if the path Sarif wants us to take enables us to hold on to higher values with more stability? One thing is obvious. For the first time in history, we have a chance to steal fire from the gods. To turn away from it now - to stop pursing a future in which technology and biology combine, leading to the promise of a Singularity - would mean to deny the very essence of who we are. No doubt the road to get there will be bumpy, hurting some people along the way. But won't achieving the dream be worth it? We can become the gods we've always been striving to be. We might as well get good at it.
- Deus Ex Human Revolution
Lmfaoyou played to many video games get back to reality
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You think that you are the one that we should listening to because you are studied woman? Are you more educated than Christians monks in medieval or current high standing church officiants? Because, dear madam believe me or not, these men was and are much more educated than any of scientist in nowadays. And i don't think that listening any of them just because they believe we should listening them because of their education is a good idea. Or do you think that people shoudon't make their own research and make their own decision (then what is the difference between believe church and believe a scientists)? I have no problem with this informational video, but i have problem with your introductory comment.
So true...no where close to victory...please make a video on the underground illegal experiments on victims of neuro invasion ...tell how much we suffer!!!
Nobody likes Neuralink. He is pro AI and not pro humans.
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Hey, you were kicking butt at pong and getting cookies. My video cannot undo you're accomplishments! :)
Let's play some pong later bro
Someone has to start this tech because we need it either now or in the future, if Musk is there to begin however much the brain activities are complex compared to todays tech let him take the initiative.
I completely agree! I think progressing it forward is a good move, and Elon Musk is a good person to do it. My only concern is making sure people understand what it's capable of and when.
@@realizingresearch4194 Im looking forward for neuralink bcoz of my insomnia
Thanks for the great insight. Just subscribed your channel. However I notice you haven't produced new videos for a while. I am sending my support. Hopefully, you come back soon and produce more scientific educational content to the general public.
Very good video👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Please tell your Buddy Elon to sign me up it will not take Decades to figure out could happen any day Thank You !!!
I'll tell you what if I ever meet him, I'll mention you. Maybe if I become a billionaire or something, you never know.
You scientist are always forced to produce, whereas the industrialists are not always forced to.
Being forced to produce is the classic example of chains and ball for creativity. You can’t be creative unless it happens by accident.
I recognize the greatest scientist as the scientist-commercialist.
By the end of the day Edison got to produce value to society, while Tesla’s only value for society was his tragic-and-often-inspiring story.
Great video, would love to see your reaction to the recent Neuralink event
It can also cause depression and anxiety… if it can cure it by messing with neurons it can cause it… just think about that
Also it’s unethical if they are doing that to people who have unwilling have had a Neurolink placed in them just to prove a point… perhaps those ethics need to be considered too…
The only way to fix the problem with Neurolink is to stop Neurolink… this experiment is so incredibly cruel that I don’t know but think that I, personally, would want to be put down like the lab rat that I was used as if I had a microchip implanted in my brain. I, however, would also think it was cruel if they actually killed animals and people they had violated by putting a microchip into their brain.
Very interesting. People with actual credentials have to make their voices heard, like you do.
There are quite a few news articles if you're interested in checking those out.
Okay, I have been thinking about this comment for like 30min and cannot tell if it's a compliment or an insult. Am I one of the people with actual credentials?
@@realizingresearch4194 OH, no, it was meant as a compliment since you have the right education, field of expertise. I really did enjoy your video.
I think you should not confuse the brain complexity to WHAT CAN BE LEARNED AND DONE TO THE BRAIN 🧠. Brain is complex but never say it cant be done or it's way beyond comprehending. Things can be done.
Elon Musk is not a doctor but he is opening to the world that if you can do it, come and we will do it. All what is mentioned can be treated by first allowing everyone to perticipate. If you are overthinking things, who will work on them? Just let people do the work. Let the brain make the brain.
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You speak of limits and impossibility what a human being can achieve. Elon doesn’t limit the human mind like that.
Because she’s being realistic and not trying to market something to investors
the mark of the beast is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am confident that neural link will achieve everything that they claim. It’s just a matter of time. The value Elon seems to bring is that he attracts attention and resources to a problem with his first principles approach that seems to see more clearly than most people what is possible. Elon’s approach is probably the best and fastest way to reach a successful outcome, or not. The way science had proceeded before Elon was quite glacial like and he saw that time is simply not on humanity’s side.
He will do it. I believe Elon's intentions are good.
There is always been naysayers you're giving your opinion of what you're entitled to but the man has done things that we're not dream before like the car rocket come back
A device that will allow my son to talk cost around 17000$. Using eyes to move the curser etc. It may not suit him because he can't control his body. Now what Elon Musk is doing is amazing. I am sure the device will work for my son because the message will not be needed to be relayed through the eyes. The message will go straight to the device to say his thoughts. Once this is approved and affordable, I am in for my son. You can't know how much i appreciate this technology. Seeing my son being full aware and clever but not able to talk is terrible.
If scientists don't like it, it means Elon is doing it right.
Science is always skeptical of new ideas. You have to prove it. It is the only way to arrive at the truth.
Or it's unscientific and incredibly risky
Your brain must be really have something wrong with your head if you voluntarily get brain surgery
Of course all of this sounds impossible, that is because so advanced technology was never invented. Few years back most people didn’t even believe that we would have mini computers (smartphones) in our pockets in the future. With right tolls and knowledge everything is possible.
I guess Elon kinda went off the deep end with his prognosis of what Neuralink would do sometime in the future, but oh well. All we can do is try it. Let's see what happens in a couple years......
All the qualified expert scientists that love it have already joined Neuralink. The rest of the scientists on the outside can only criticize using incomplete public knowledge.
That's very true! Scientists will not have any of the proprietary information. We have to work off of what is known about the science, but thus far none of what Neuralink has shown is outside the scope of what we know in academia. We'll see what happens in the future though. I look forward to it!
Elon doesn't clearly differentiate what needs further development and what is ready for market. Elon develops technology so he is a scientist. And in the truest sense. Old saying, "since I don't have an education, I'm going to have to use my head". Elon knows how to present projects to the venture capitalist, to further fund his research. He's kind of like the "Prince" of technology. He can play all the instruments himself, he just needs to hire a band for tours.
Elon musk is getting us to the optimum of our civilisation, so we can actually become aliens for other planets
Lmfao yea right
first of all great video, all points are clearly valid but, what i believe scientists are missing is the fact that elon has taken what is usually only used in research projects and turned it into a product that can be made readily available for anyone whos paralysed in order to interact with a computer to regain quality of life. that step from research project to product is what scientists usually miss. great video again!
I hope that what Elon Musk says never becomes a reality because the human experiments that will have to be done is too high of a cost…. And I’m not talking about a monetary cost I’m talking about the sacrificing of human lives. And that monkey is being manipulated with invasive AI
You don't know that for sure. This may not be as sinister as you think.
I'm sure there are many people with a low quality of life who are willing to put it to the test for the chance at a miracle! Same reason that people with advanced diseases do experimental drugs and procedures..
You offer an honest perspective of this subject thank you
It's the field I want to work in and this is the company I want to work for. Looking forward to it!
Great . thank you , watching your video make feel and think like a PhD.
very illustrative.
Our smartphones have Android version you know that software kernel is associated with this neuroling project also his EX employee Shovon xills is a present 4th wife of out Elone mask
You scientist are always forced to produce, whereas the industrialists are not always forced to.
Being forced to produce is the classic example of chains and ball for creativity. You can’t be creative unless it happens by accident.
I recognize the greatest scientist as the scientist-commercialist.
By the end of the day Edison got to produce value to society, while Tesla’s only value for society was his tragic-and-often-inspiring story.