The Two Dubs of The Real Ghostbusters: Slimer, Is That You?
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2017
- I review and compare both versions of this episode! Egon and Slimer get their bodies swapped as Peter and Janine get their voices swapped in the redub!
(I showed a picture of the wrong King of Cartoons, sorry about that.)
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Lorenzo Music to my ears.
Doe!!!!! Ray!!!!!! Egon!!!!!!!!!!
This is glorious
he sounds the same as dave for some reason
@@KSAM428 no
@@KSAM428 yeah……no I DO NOT hear that😅
Okay I never really got your hate over the new voice actor, well I got your argument that it was worse, but I never understood it until we had this review activly comparing them.
I feel your pain now.
'Like Morgan Freeman, but doesn't give a fuck' is the best description of anyone ever.
It's a rather good demonstration that the choice of voice actor for a role makes a big difference; honestly, here Summer's Janine and Soucie's Janine come off as completely different characters despite saying the exact same dialogue.
Coulier's also a good example of how sometimes getting someone who can do an imitation isn't as good as getting a genuinely good voice actor to nail the line delivery and/or make the role their own.
It's especially a shame when you have him act alongside LeMarche, who's a much better VA and is much better at imitations. You almost forget that he's 1. Doing a Harold Ramis imitation and 2. Been doing imitations for many of his most beloved voice roles (his Orson Welles being the most obvious example)
It feels worse because unlike the later episodes where they at least rewrote Peter to match Coulier's performance, this is one where you could tell it was originally meant for Lorenzo Music.
I call irony Bill Murray voiced Garfield.....twice
While Coulier definitely deserves criticism for his performance, some blame should really go to the Audio Director for not giving him good direction to make the games better.
Agree, with the right one.
The redub could be better.
The lines he's redubbing are given his best versions of the original takes for the most part. If he did the lines as himself or the episode was written with him in mind, it could have better than what it turned out to be.
The games????? Whatchu talkin' bout willis?!?.....
coulier sucks bigtime
Games?😅
The worse thing about Kath Soucie been asked to do that goodie Janine is the fact we KNOW she can do a sassy female that will take no crap. I think its sort of her normal speaking voice. We hear it in Sally from Sonic SatAM or Princess Whats Her Name from Earthworm Jim.
And like others said here, yes, she sounds like a child.
I blame the idiots at Q5 as according to the interviews when Kath was hired to be the new VA for Janine she proved during the audition that she can do a sassy girl from Queens who takes no crap from anyone due to actually being from the Burrough itself but when she got the role the morons at Q5 told her that she had the role but to "tone down the sassiness and lose the native New Yorker accent to fit the new "motherly tone the character needs" so basically Kath proved she could be a worthy successor to Louise Summers but was told by the dumbasses at Q5 to pretty much do a different voice that fit more of their interpretation of who Janine was supposed to be.
@@derrickhaggard What a weird bait and switch.
Oh man, you were dead on accurate. It does sound like Coulier is doing Caddyshack Murray instead of Ghostbusters Murray. I can't unhear it now.
Same here. >
Ha, maybe that was the only Murray clip they had to give Coulier as a reference for his voice.
Wait is THAT why he says ‘Cut it out’?
Peter's been re-dubbed by Dave Coulier. He's completely useless now...
TheAdorkableRJ *beauty gasp*
TheAdorkableRJ Most of these Coulier readings are sooooo stupid, heh heh heh...
HHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The drool Peter let out made him all wet
Dave Coulier's Peter was distraught by how much people hated him...so he died...of loneliness...after he turned into a swan.
The interesting thing about the redub is how different the intonation is. Music is more of a deadpan wisecracker while Coulier sounds like the stereotypical "dumb guy" voice. It's that sort of sarcastic quality that fits the original Bill Murray character. Maybe it's just how Coulier just sounds, but he can't come off as sarcastic.
I think it's the limit of having to sustain an impression. Especially when you already don't quite have the grasp on it to emote properly.
Remember that sweet ending where Peter stays with Mrs Faversham (from the episode the thing in Mrs Faversham's attic), because she reminds him of his mother and wants to give her some company, I imagined how Peter would continue to visit Mrs Faversham after that.
I then found out in the comics its suggested she died, and the ghostbusters have her Teddy bear in the fire station. Now I have this horrible thought of dave coulier's Peter showing up on her doorstep and the shock doing in the poor old girl.
Comparing the clips show that a lot of successful comedy has a lot to do with the delivery. The Lorenzo Music version of Peter is definitely a lot funnier because in spite of the fact they are saying the same lines, his version has a lot of dry wit to it which is always great while Dave made Peter sound like a dumbass. I am also always going to prefer Lorenzo Music because he is Garfield.
Wow, this takes me back 30+ years. I had such a crush on Lorenzo Music's voice as a young teenager. That sly, sexy, and unique timbre, his intelligence and great voice acting, with that witty script... sigh, PERFECTION. (The only other male voices I've adored after him have been Steve Blum and Benedict Cumberbatch, yet Music still occupies a special spot in my heart, to this very day.) So when he was ditched for "duhhhh" Coulier, I was so disappointed. Also got really pissed with how they changed Janine. As a girl growing up in the late 80s to 90s, it felt like a slap to my face. Almost like telling me girls HAD to be soft and saccharine to be "normal." Nail to the coffin was how they dumbed down the whole series.
I think that Dave Coulier thinks acting just means talking in a slightly more stupid voice than usual.
yeah....certainly gives that impression
I recently bought some The Real Ghostbusters trade comics, and it's actually hard to read Peter's word balloons, because my mind keeps switching back and forth between Lorenzo Music and Dave Coulier's voices. 30 years later, the Q5 debacle is still claiming victims...
What to do is add Bill Murray's voice as well. Then you switch between two good Venkmans and one sub-par one.
Dear god, I have the same problem reading comics.
Lorenzo's Peter sounds more like the real Bill Murray, while Dave's sounds like a poor caricature imitation of Bill Murray.
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Personally, I think it's the other way around?
Neither of them sound right.
Both of them sound close at times. But rarely.
The more I listen to Coulier, the more it feels like no one told him what the situation was, and just gave him a bunch of lines. The acting feels so offkey that I genuinely think the actor didn't even see the scenes he was recording for.
Yeah that's the exact sort of vibe I get from these lines.
That isn't what happened?
@@ForrestFox626 possibly
I can see why he's the Late, *GREAT* Lorenzo Music.
Sad thing is, Kath Soucie IS a damn talented voice actress. My guess is that not only was this one of her first jobs, but also the director of the redub (more than likely NOT the usual episode director) just didn't give a shit, so she had to go on without any real direction, or just outright TOLD to deliver like that. Which is why I never really blame the voice cast, as someone had to approve of bad takes in their production in the first place. Also, why didn't they ask her to do her adult voice? She has done plenty of adult voices, and they all sound fine, but for some reason they told her to use her kid voice for a grown woman.
Then again, considering it was Q5 in charge at that time, it's expected they would have forced someone to half ass things to save money and time. Though, Dave Coulier on the other hand... Yeah, it would take an act of God to get a good performance out of him.
Mmm and we know she can do the same voice as the lady before and yet made her do a young, odd voice instead
Took me almost an hour watching this vid. Had to rewind constantly since I was so amazed by the difference in the quality of the takes. The switch in Janine's voice was especially harrowing to me.
You can just tell Phealous included as much footage of the Master of Shadows talking purely because of how awesome a voice he has. This episode was quite a bit more enjoyable than it would have been just because of how impressive a voice he has.
It's true. Who would have thought that the King of Cartoons could sound menacing and intimidating.
If Sony ever decides to do an animated reboot of TRG in the near future, I would be happy with them having Maurice LaMarche just doing double duty as Egon and Peter. A snippet from the Time Life set shows him playing around with a Lorenzo impression, and with a bit of work, I feel he would make a far more competent Venkman than Coulier did.
Lorenzo Music all the way!
As Always How fitting that you have Garfield as your icon as you say that! Love it.
Now I'm picturing how Garfield would have been with Coulier replacing Music in that one too. (shudder)
Tareltonlives I had the exact same thought!
Horrifying isn't it?
Tareltonlives Yeah... But I'd pay good money to see how he'd butcher Garfield.
Lorenzo's voice will always be Peter for me.
And garfield
Other than Bill Murray?
@@fynnthefox9078 yes
Growing up, I always wondered why my love for RGB died off in the later episodes. Now I officially know why. R.I.P Mr. Music.
Great episode P, must admit that the re-dubbing was confusing as all hell in the UK, there was no such thing as syndication here back then, and ITV just bought all the episodes, so the different voices were all over the place.
Larry Bundy Jr Damn it ITV!
That sounds confusing af
Hello you!
They have it on Netflix now. I finally have a good reason to watch Netflix's.
Two of my favorite youtubers interacting via the comments? What fresh hell is this?
In the world of voice actor replacement, you've got things like Dan Castellaneta trying his hardest to imitate Robin Williams on one hand, then you have Dave Couiller as Venkman on the other.
That explains why Netflix is missing episodes and why they have the redub of this episode. Netflix has the Sony DVDs.
I didn't realize that Netflix was missing episodes, although I did come across this version of this episode.
Wow, that is bad. Damn you, Coulier!
What Netflix has, though, is the good stuff, and much less of Q5 Ghostbusters. :)
And now Netflix hasn't got any of them.
Really makes me appreciate Lorenzo Music.
Bustin Dave Coulier makes me feel good.
If Dave was a ghost, his name would be Dave Ghoulier xD
@@BBBHuey Did you just predict the MMZ episode on the Ghostbusters joke book?
17:48 I never thought I'd ever hear Egon say, "oooh candy, mmm want candy, yum yum!" I laugh every time, along with every time I hear Slimer's voice coming out of Egon, such as the, "I don't know," at 17:45.
I feel Phelous keeps making these Real Ghostbusters videos just to shit on Dave Coulier's Venkman.
Good.
It's still baffling to me that they bothered to re-dubbed older episodes at all. It's bad enough that they made the decision to replace Lorenzo Music from season 3 onwards but why did they feel the need to go back and mess around with the older ones too?
No idea
David Coulier really isn't very good at the voice. But to be fair, how do you compete with Garfield.
Dammit! Another thing where the voice of the character depends on the "soul" of the person inside them and not the body. I'm pretty sure that even in fantasy worlds, the vocal chords are still responsible for the voice part!
I know! That's one of my biggest pet peeves with body-swap stories, and I actually really like those
I think we could get away with Egon sounding like himself while in Slimer's body since he is a ghost, but Slimer in Egon's body should still use Egon's vocal chord. Maybe Egon is just really good at a Slimer impression.
To be fair, as talented he is, it probably would have been really hard for Frank Welker to do Egon style dialogue with Slimer's voice.
I was thinking about the situation you mentioned with Slimer having a ghost body maybe not making that half an issue as well, but I do think it would've been interesting to have Maurice LeMarche playing Egon's voice with Slimer's intonation.
I was about to comment that it would have been hilarious if Egon had Slimer's voice while inhabiting his body and vice versa, but then I thought about it and figured that it would perhaps be the wrong type of hilarious and the wrong tone of humour for an RGB episode.
Would likely also kill deliberately serious lines uttered by Egon and ruin their payoff.
Honestly, Susie-Janine sounds a little too young. Like she should be voicing a teenager or something. Not a woman in her 20s or 30s. Is it just me who thinks that?
She totally sounds like a child. Weirds me out.
Yeah..all I can hear Is a young penny from Inspector Gadget, or one of the babies from Rugrats.
or Cadpig.
Yeah, there's a reason she voiced Phil and Lil on Rugrats. The voice just doesn't fit the character.
I'm pretty sure (without checking IMDb) that *IS* the woman who played Tommy Pickles on Rugrats; let alone all the other work she's done.
You know, before Lorenzo died, I wish they could've had him go back and redub the Coulier eps...although, granted, I don't think I'd ever want to hear him have to say, "fluffernutters". >< lol
what I find hilarious is the idea that the original cast members would all share a recording booth together saying their lines and making for the comradery you would expect for the ghostbusters, meanwhile Dave Coulier was alone by himself reading off lines to dub over lorenzos lines without any of the comradery.
Dear Phelan, because of you and my own love for Ghostbusters I decided to go and find the episodes of the series. To my luck Netflix had the entire series and hey I have netflix, it's there, it's not bad quality and there aren't ads. So I sat down and enjoyed the treat of laughter, heart, charm, and wit. The animation so reminds me of old anime like astroboy even to some extent. It's not gorgeous but its stylised and has a lot of period dated funkiness. As an fan of animation I adored it. I smiled, I cried, I laughed, I swooned, I gasped. I am always a kid at heart but I felt like an actual kid watching this. Not to say it wasnt intelligent it was! Very!! It feels like the, pardon the joke, real Ghostbusters. I might have watched it eventually but because I fancy you and fancy the original film I gave it more of a chance. I'm in the midst so far and not dispointed...yet. That is except one episode. This one. I was having a grand time and then this episode played. Every episode was Lorenzo Venkman as usual and of course Jeanine was her usual sassy self... until this. That's right...this episode and only this episode of season one had out faaaaavorite blonde full house cast member spewing out what were the very essence of the word dull lines and the rugrats twins voice oozing out of Jeanine. It was off putting! It sounds wrong and it hurts. Every time they spoke all I could think was, to quote Dave himself, CUT IT OUT. I don't know why Netflix only has this version but its disappointing and jarring. Thanks for giving a decent explanation though and comparison . Glad for this review! And for you. Here's a toast to the nerds and fans and ranters and geeks. May our snitches be golden, our falcons be millennium, and our streams uncrossed. Thank you,
A fan and a friend to all,
Me of course.
Besides Lorenzo Music being way better as Peter, I think it's even worse how distracting the stark differences in audio quality are.
Wouldn't body swapping with Slimer result in the ghost Slimer disappearing into Egon's body and there being a ghost of Egon left in his place?
If pointy glasses are too scary for kids, a ghost-version of one of the main characters certainly would be.
scitechian Ha! I didn't even think about that. I mean, I don't think that was the reason as that would make too much sense but still, good point.
Except there was a post-interference episode entirely about that or, rather, about ghost versions of EVERYONE. Joke has encountered complications and aborted landing.
JSB No, because it's their minds that are being swapped, not their souls.
rocketcon You have a point. Now I have to figure out the logistics of switching minds with something dead. Now I'm confused.
Changing Peters voice ruined the show for me as a kid and I stopped watching. That they then went back and redubbed the good episodes with the bad Peter voice is just unbelievable!
Evidently, their egos were so big they couldn't acknowledge that they'd made the wrong call.
...Or their egos were so big they blamed the audience and decided to punish it.
Having egos so big that they blamed the audience for not liking it instead of acknowledging that they'd made the wrong call. Isn't that basically the story behind Ghostbusters 2016?
Seems that way.
I actually have the original first three volumes of The Real Ghostbusters, so no crappy re-dubs.
Glad I got the Time Life RGB collection with the un-redubbed episodes.
RIP Lorenzo Music
Thumbs up who like Lorenzo Music’s Peter better than Dave Coulier’s.
I showed a picture of the wrong King of Cartoons in this video, sorry about that.
Here's a pic of William Marshall in the role:
twitter.com/Phelous/status/924060727203254278
It happens.
I somehow mixed up Kerwin Matthews and Robert Kerman, so we all make mistakes. :-)
@Phelan Porteous I actually didn't know that there were two different actors for the King of Cartoons...that's what I love about your reviews: I always learn something new!
Phelan Porteous Did you know William Marshall also played the title character in the 1972 horror/blaxploitation film "Blacula" ?
Phelan Porteous you are forgiven
It’s cool, we all make mistakes 🤷♀️
No joke, my mom was recently watching Peewee's Playhouse, and when I entered the room was the first time I saw "The King of Cartoons". Just the way he delivered his line made my skin crawl.
I haven't seen any of the Dave Coulier episodes, but I always felt like you were being a bit too hard on him in your reviews based on the examples you showed. In this review I've finally heard enough of his voice acting to see that it actually is fucking terrible... He does sound like an idiot. All his lines could be replaced with "Durrr-hu-hu-hurrrrr".
Seriously. I guess it's supposed to be a Bill Murray impression, but it doesn't sound like Murray at all. Really, it sounds like the kind of voice you use when you're mocking someone you think is stupid.
It helps that this review is a side by side comparison of the two dubs, showcasing the difference in performances.
Its kind of like doing a side by side comparison to 4Kids and Funimation. Or Ocean Dub and Funimation. Or ADV and Funimation. Or Funimation and Funimation.
Damn Funimation. Its shitty compare to Funimation!
Lorenzo Music actually puts effort into it. Dave Coulier just sounds like he's half asleep or trying too hard to sound like Bill Murray
@@lemonmelon1883 that and sounding like an idiot
I really appreciate you doing these Real Ghostbusters reviews and putting so much passion into them. I like your reviews in general as they're hilarious, but with the TRG reviews I've learned so much more about Lorenzo Music, both just how good he was as a voice actor and as a person. I just do remember watching this as a kid, and at the time I couldn't understand why Garfield's voice kept coming out of some human dude's mouth. I adored Garfield back then. Still do. I'm also a big Bob Newhart Show fan and know a bit about Rhoda, so Music's been a comedy hero for me for some time now. Thanks for letting me know about something else he worked on and for teaching me more about the importance of good voice acting in general. It really is an art. Best.
Imagine if they made a box set with all the episodes & included the alternate dubs as options.
I honestly think Coulier's take of "Deeply phylosophical debate" is funnier xD
Mostly because his voice sounds so halfwitted, it's funny to hear such words come out of his mouth
Yeah but unfortunately it is kind of character assassination given that Venkmen isn't supposed to be an idiot.
Nionivek Yeah, but his Venkman is still likeable and not annoying, or an asshole, like Cosmo or Patrick respectively, so I can't help but have an affinity for him.
Nionivek However when it comes to Janine, the original voice actress is perfect, I love her voice, even if it can make your ears hurt xD
As a young girl I had such a crush on Music's Peter, but not so much Coulier's.
It is like falling in love with someone and then discovering that they got into a horrible accident and are never the same again.
Yeah I understand 😅
I'm under the impressions that the people who made all the changes to the series thought that Peter was supposed to be dumb one, after all, you can't have a children's cartoon without an annoying, dumb character
Mathilde Bruhn Because that trend doesn't get old.
Well, Peter is the mouth, Egon is the brain, Ray is the hands, and Winston is the driver! Of course he's dumb! Only Egon is the smart one!
BloodrealmX True.
I REALLY hate that trope. Also the ‘speak in baby talk voice for the kiddies because CHILDREN’ logic = Children are stupid BS😅
Ah we can never get enough of bashing Dave Coulier. Duuuuuuuuhrhrhuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.
We'll stop doing it when his Venkman voice stops sounding like a drooling idiot.
He'd stop if Florida stopped being the worst.
1TrulyMad Could you imagine if Coulier voiced Garfield? It would be awful, but I'd pay good money to hear how flat out stupid he sounds as the orange cat!
Tommy Deonauth's Archives Quick somebody make this and send it to Phelan I'd love to see his reaction.
To be honest, I like Dave Coulier as an actor and as a person, but this dubbing just makes me want to give him a punch in the face.
They had Blacula as a guest voice? Nice!
it boggles my mind that they thought this show needed to be fixed.
I am confused here. Does Phelous like Dave Coulier or not?
PikaTheProsperous not sure. He’s so subtle about it 😛
PikaTheProsperous requires more study...
PikaTheProsperous He hates how he portrayed Venkman. Watch his Big Trouble with Little Slimer video.
I dunno. I'd probably have to hear him blab on about it again before I'm sure.
PikaTheProsperous He doesn't like the Dave Coulier portayal of Peter Venkman's character in later seasons. But not the actual actor, himself.
In the french dub, we didn't have any voice change for the most part from the good to the bad seasons, (except for a few times when one character suddenly switch voices with another, but that's kinda random) so the transition from funny to unfunny, especially for Peter, wasn't to brutal. But holy shit, the Master of Shadows... Everytime in the french dub, when there's a somewhat intimidating demon, Maurice Sarfati was there to give the most overacting performance I've ever heard in a dub job !
Man, I wish I'd known about the Sony vs. Time life DVDs before I bought the Sony ones, but I guess the latter is too expensive for my budget anyway. Thanks for the informative intro!
I have the theory that the Garfield movies were Bill Murray’s penance for indirectly getting Lorenzo Music fired.
Phelous has somehow made me invested in a franchise that I was only mildly interested as a kid. Why is this so fascinating? I'm wasting my day off work on these videos, dude...
Because Phelous’ enthusiasm about any show is infectious 🤣 I love it
Sees notification pop up on phone.
Sees it’s a Real Ghostbusters review from Phelous.
Taps on Notification immediately.
If this is a Sony dvd release, be thankful the menu doesn't have half an hour of unskippable movie trailers.
If Egon was getting dumber in Slimer's body, shouldn't Slimer have started to become smarter in Egon's?
Lorenzo Music will always be the true voice of Peter Venkman in the Real Ghostbusters.
UPDATE: I searched on my Netflix account and sadly, I’ve got the Dave Coulier version of this episode.
Two things:
-First, now I understand why Tiny Toons and The Simpsons (series around this era) shitted all the time on "dumb TV executives trying to ruin everything thinking they know what kids like", it must have been the Q5 shadow flying in circles around them.
-Second: interestingly, the latin america dub also changed Peter's voice, but I'm not sure if it was due to the change from Music to Coulier. I didn't like the second voice that much, because it made Peter sound so much younger, but I didn't hate it either.
OMG! As a fan of the series prior to the complete destruct of writing and characters, not to mention the horrible changes in VAs, I was thrilled to come across this! The redub of 'Mrs. Roger's Neighborhood' is even worse, imo! It was a sin what they did to this great show! Strazynski returned to write 'Is That You, Janine' as an explanation of the changes, but it ended with Janine the same white bread pea brain that DIC had changed her into! As an old fan (and fanfic writer) of RGB, I salute you!!
Slimer with Egon's reactions is kinda adorable actually, lol.
at 7:52 I love the little drool edit, Coulier really does make Vinkman sound like a complete moron. I stopped watching the cartoon at that time so I didn't realize/remember how awful his voice is for this character!
I've never seen any of the "Ghost Busters" cartoons, but it's really interesting to hear you talk about the production history.
And dear god, that dub-over voice over...
All I hear when Janine speaks is a character from Rug Rats.
Pythia Sibyls Kath Soucie is the voice of Phil and Lil from Rugrats, and Tuffy from the modern Tom and Jerry movies.
@@nicholsjoshua15 I dunno if Kath Soucie has ever been in anime before, but it could work...
Thanks Sony for giving us redubed version of real ghost busters we really appreciate it. (Sarcasm)
Honestly your "I don't like this movie" theme would sound great mixed into the Sony releases menu music
Honestly when I’m watching this video again, I mute the video when you play the Peter clips with Coulier’s redubbed voice, I cannot imagine how much worse it is than Lorenzo Music’s Peter Venkmen, but thank you for this video
"Slimer, is that You?!"...
It should have been retitled "Peter and Janine, you've Changed" (Get it, because of the voice redubs.)
I really wish they had the Lorenzo Music and Laura Summer version of this episode on Netflix.
Also, if anyone has Netflix, there might be an icon of Slimer from Extreme Ghostbusters claiming that XGB is available, but when I clicked on it, it just took me to the Real Ghostbusters instead.
I do like Winston's "That thing hasn't belonged to anybody since dinosaurs ruled the Earth!" Lol
Wow, this guy is really into Ghostbusters.
Has Dave Coulliet ever done ANYTHING Phelous kind of sort of liked...or at least tolerated?
You know what Dave Coulier's Venkmen sounds like? It sounds like Dan Aykroyd trying to sound like Bill Murray in Caddyshack 2:
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When I first heard Dan Aykroyd's delivery I was convinced he was making fun of Dave Coulier.
rofl OMG, I never thought of that before! You are so right!
Phillip Watts, Jr. Keep your eye on the fruit. Keep your eye on the fruit!!!
You should consider being a voice acting coach and/or tutor. I can *hear* the differences in the deliveries, but you are so good at *explaining* it all.
Master of Shadows is such a great design, one of those types we just don't see anymore. Like some kind of Ninja Gaiden boss.
I guess it makes sense for Janine to sound likes she's talking to babies when she sounds like a freaking baby herself.
Yeesh... hearing Kath Soucie in this is like hearing Jennifer Hale as Flora in the first Tak game.
Man, this makes me miss Lorenzo Music :(
"The voices are bad"
-Phelous, over the course of 25 minutes.
I mean, he's right though.
dave coulier sounds like he's voicing the irate gamer cartoon
Face it Ghostbusters is ruined
Maybe the episodes that were actually produced with Coulier should’ve included a laughing animation similar to Dingo. That way we the audience would’ve known when Peter was being witty.
Lorenzo Music (I think that's how it goes) is just awesome.
I think a contributing factor to Coulier's Peter sounding off is a combination of 3 things: Direction, Impression, and Writing
1. Direction, even a VA who is lackluster can pull off a decent performance when directed right
2. His Bill Murry impression, the problem with doing an impression, especially if its a specific impression, can lead to wonky line reading. As you stated in this review there is a VERY clear difference between the way Lorenzo and Coulier announce and express their lines.
Lorenzo's Peter comes off far more natural because Lorenzo is just being himself, he's not trying to hold onto an impression of Murry versus Coulier who has to keep his voice similar to Murry's which restricts the way he can perform, Murry could get away with this because that's who he is and how he naturally sounds but Coulier has to alter his voice and hold on to it which, as i said, restricts how expressive he can get.
3. Writing, like you mention in your Bad Episodes retrospective, the writing for the later episodes turned Peter into a less funny version of himself, which would be the nail in the coffin for how well of a performance someone could do, I doubt even Lorenzo could pull off being that version of Peter if he had been allowed to stay on.
these contributing factors is why Coulier's Pete comes off as a pale imitation with the redubs and why it greatly reduces Peter's character in the later seasons.
“It’s haunted by the death of acting.”
That one made me laugh too loud in the middle of the night.
One thing I will say about the redub is that it's super distracting the original voices then out of nowhere a much clearer sounding and louder voice comes in that doesn't even sound like it belongs. The original voices seem to have some kind of static to them but then you hear the redubbed venkman and there's no static it's way clearer than everyone else and he sounds like he's much closer to you than the non redubbed characters.
Soooooo glad I got the Time Life version when I did, now if they'd only produce a complete box of Extreme Ghostbusters....
Dave Coulier doing Peters voice always sounded like Bill Paxton. In fact, when watching Predator 2 when I was a kid, Paxton sounded like him so much, I thought he was the voice actor for Peter Venkman .
King of Cartoons? You mean BLACKULA, BABY!!!!
I am _kicking_ myself because I had the Lorenzo Music version on VHS taped off the TV back in the day, and I have no idea where that recording is now. I'd love to be able to watch it again.
How does the DVD menu artwork so consistently manage to get Ray in such terrifying poses/expressions? lol
Coulier does get some of the timing right. Maybe it would have been more natural if he hadn't had to imitate another actor's performance. And Phelous is right, it does sound like he's going for Stripes or Caddyshack Bill Murray, which is pretty different from Venkman.
22:49 this edit of q5 Janine possessing classic Janine is just so funny to me and is my headcanon for the redub episodes :3
Holy sh$t! Phelous himself fav my comment!!! Thanks man :)
Whenever I hear Phelan talking about dubbing shenanigans with Ghostbusters, I feel guilty because from my childhood I'm only familiar with the German dub, which stayed the same over both seasons. And is also really good, in my opinion.
I've never even seen the real Ghostbusters and even I can tell that Lorenzo Music is perfect as Peter.
Saw the Ghostbusters 3 news and had to rewatch that Phelous again to lift my spirits.
I don't know why, maybe it's that our fandoms coincide, or maybe it's because I like the style of your crazy ass videos. But I really think you may be my favorite reviewer. I've been watching your stuff since 2012. So good on ya Phelous!
I'm Sure Coilier is a lovely person in real life (at least I hope so) but I just cant stand the guy in pretty much anything he's in. Not once, on screen or voicing something have I ever been able believe he knows what he's doing at all. I don't even get how anyone could even interpret his Venkman as a decent Murray impression. Lorenzo beat him several times over even in that.
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“Alternate EVIL dimension” 😂