Me and my buddy were drilling arm triangles one day and as he was squeezing tighter on my neck, I didn't tap but my neck made a loud pop. My buddy immediately let go in a panic and asked "bro are you ok?" I just let out a sigh of relief and said "yeah man, I've been trying to pop my neck all day. Thanks bro" we both laughed afterwards 😂
One guy had a stiff neck and during a roll the same thing happened. He was so relieved! He went from being unable to turn his head to full range of motion. Fun stuff
Similar thing happened to me yesterday, got put in an armbar, my elbow popped as he pulled back and he instantly let go and asked are you OK. I was fine, didn't even hurt think it was like cracking knuckles.
Agreed. Once I was rolling with a guy who caught me in an armbar and I tapped as soon as I realised I couldn't get out of it. He asked me why I tapped if he hadn't even fully extended my arm yet. I replied saying that this is the exact reason why I tapped, as I don't need to feel my elbow cracking to realise that I have been submitted.
I was about 6 weeks in and tried to curl my way out of an arm bar from a large purple belt. My bicep tore off my arm, had it surgically reattached. I kept going to class to watch, then slowly got to roll again after 5 months, 100% 8 months after surgery. I learned to tap early!! The hard way. I now compete at blue belt and have a lot of arm bar defensive techniques I've worked diligently on.
It was my trying to resist an armbar against a much larger opponent by doing a curl instead of tapping, or using technique I didn't have at the time. It was a mounted arm bar and as he leaned back to finish, I tried using all my strength in a jerking motion. I've been in construction my whole life so I'm strong enough, but it could also have been from wear and tear from packing heavy doors up stairs and tight hallways, manipulating the door so it won't scratch the wall. If you can imagine doing that every day for a few years.
Im a white belt young guy and Ive been training for around 7 months and I personally just tap whenever I feel like I am stuck or they can get the submission in. 2 reasons of mine, I have work and a life outside of bjj and I am thinking of the long term of taking care of my body. All those armbars, kimuras, etc that you try to power through all add up later in life (as explained to one of the older guys in my gym) and its not something I want to risk. Secondly, I recently pretty much put out a newer guy to a triangle because he didnt tap and that is not something I would wanna do in rolls
100000% - perfect 👍🏼 explanation - this is funny, I tape my ankle with bright colored self-adhesive tape due to previously torn ligaments on both sides - most people leave that ankle alone but a few others are drawn toward it and immediately go for an ankle lock - I’m always like WTF? 😆
I’m 45 and my body is slowly getting tore up from training. I tap early and often because it’s just practice and I don’t need my body broken because I’m trying to be tough. If I make a bad mistake, put myself in a very bad position and feel like I can’t pull out I tap. Competing is different but a torn ligament that requires surgery isnt worth that $5 medal.
I feel you brother. I’m also 45 and feeling the strain in my elbows. I’ve definitely learned to be cautious when rolling with newer people and to tap early to prevent unnecessary injuries.
@@Chewjitsu thanks, your words of advice are much appreciated. I used to tap to stuff that I didn’t understand I could still escape from. As I’ve gotten more mat time I know there are some spots where you can push through and pull out without a tap.
I'm 36, also had an injury from not tapping when I started. One of my coaches basically alluded to the fact that anyone who taps to an ezekiel choke is a pussy. So I have never tapped to that submission, but I will tap early if someone has my arm or a neck crank during training. Being a finish carpenter, I need my body to earn income. Luckily we have good people at the gym.
Yes the tap should be honored. That said you will never get a blue belt in my school tapping to pressure or tapping early. You don't have to be a super tough guy to do Jiu-jitsu but a certain amount of grit is expected if you are going to progress past the first belt. When you tap way too early you create train scars for both you and your partner. You are basically teaching yourself to stop fighting and give up whenever you feel uncomfortable and you are possibly tapping to a poor technique done by your partner but he thinks its good because you tapped.
Thanks Chewy for all the content you are sharing! Been training for 6 months now and I have to say I thank my coach and higher belts who roll with me and tell me to try to defend as much as I can when there is still no risks and still chances to escape. Few weeks ago my back was caught and my partner was trying to apply a choke or jaw crush, not sure what we was going for but it was definitely a jaw crush which is super uncomfortable. Few month back I would have tapped due to the sheer pressure of it, however as it was not a chock I just endured it and took time to defend and at the end could escape it and went back into is full guard. I am 40, therefore injury is really not an option for me as 1. I need to work, 2. I want to be able to keep practicing for many years but body is not as forgiving as a young one. However, it is good to grasp the limits and where you can push to survive longer. Never give up until you really need to. One more thing to add is while other white belts my be more 'Spatzy' with less control, I feel that when rolling with higher belts, they have lots of control and generally give you time and opportunity to try to escape and work on different opportunities. They understand from where we are coming from and even while rolling try to share as much as possible which is really cool.
Thanks Chewy. As a white belt, one of my first questions last year when I started was what's too early to tap. I don't want to go too early, but I don't want to be that "tough guy" and go too long either. I believe I have a better handle on it now, but still a great commentary.
I don't tap out SUPER easy but I still tap when I shouldn't, Rickon Gracie said on JRE he got wrapped himself in a carpet as a kid to get used to being uncomfortable maybe I need to try that, I have mild claustrophobia getting smothered is HORRIBLE.
I get this too. My stepdad used to wrap me up in a thick blanket and tie me up with rope when I was really young and watch me struggle to escape. He thought it was funny. But now if I get stuck under someone and feel like I can't breathe, I will panic and tap out. I'm trying to focus on modulating my breathing and work through it but it's a difficult thing to overcome.
what i’m doing to work on this is find the round timer, and try and last x number of seconds longer. whether it be the end of the minute, the end of the round (if it’s close), or just 30 more seconds, and I work for those 30 seconds. usually a.) I get out of it b.) they move to a new position or c.) they submit me (mostly c)
I am a 50 yr old 4 stripe white belt. Ex baseball player with right labrum tear (minor as to the surgery no being able to improve the issue) BUT still painful. I can be super competitive but I tap quickly when someone has me in a submission where my shoulder may be compromised.
My personal philosophy (more for self defense) is that I tap when a submission is on. 1) I don't want to injur myself trying to escape or hold on too long and 2) I want to do my best to avoid getting into submissions, because realistically, you're usually screwed if the person is of similar skill or higher than you and I care more about training to avoid them rather than get out of them. Plus, in real life attacks (if someone is attacking you with BJJ lol...) they would nuke submissions on you instead of slow and controlled movements, so best to not let yourself get there. Escaping pins is very useful imo, but I just own up to it when a sub is on.
What bothers me about pre-tapping (when you're not injured) is that it takes away from correct application of the move as well as how to defend or escape.
I completely agree with you, and I loathe how everyone just completely ignores this point. Its not all about the person defending, the person attacking should be able to get his practice in too. I genuinely don't understand why this even needed clarification, I didn't see anyone give any good argument against what Chewy said. He never said you shouldn't respect the tap, what he said is that the tap ought to be *worthy* of respect. If you're just tapping because you're uncomfortable or scared, then you still have a lot to learn about jiujitsu and the only way that you're going to improve in that area is by someone saying "hey bro, I think you're tapping too early." I genuinely don't understand how you get from what Chewy said to "people's arm's and legs are going to fall off."
I totally get not tapping to pressure and panicking, its good to learn to relax breathe and fight through it. However fighting through extended joint locks like armbars, kimuras, heel hooks is ridiculous. Especially for white belts, if you feel the joint lock i think you should tap, not worth destroying your joints in your first couple years of bjj before youve even really got started.
I love your White Belt content. I began BJJ in September and have been going 3/4 times a week for almost 3 months now. Your videos were the first BJJ vids I started watching. Keep it up!
Hello to all I’m a 60 years faixa roza . I m very tall 1.90 cm and very strong for people of my age and never injured any people because that day I will leave jiu jitsu , I like to roll with white belts and I let them submit me but wen I rolling with someone experience I will not tap if I think I can escape but if I see that is not escape I will tap fast Wen I started my coach press you s lot and weight 200 lbs wen he mounted I thinking please submit me I don’t want to be down here but he don’t let you tap , only went he summit you Regards Sorry for my English
Totally agree with you chewy....my training partner had me in an arm bar but not totally my hands were locked at my chest he had both legs across my body and pulling on my right arm I looked at the clock and there was 4 seconds left so I fought the arm bar....guess what I heard a pop at first I thought my partner broke his arm ...nope my right shoulder pop ...was out for a few weeks no surgery thank god...just got back from school and guess what another guy had me in the same exact position....I tapped right away my partner was kind of surprised...I told him the story and he understood... sometimes it's better just to tap then get injured
I'm a white belt and just started like 2 weeks back. I kind of tap out early cuz as just you said in the video I am not very used to being in a un-comfortable situation. but this week the couch put in mount and was like nope you ain't tapping out early until I submit you. Soo what I learned is that as a newbie , it is not only fitness but also the ability not to panic in this tense situations and keep a calm mind which I still find it to be a bit hard but it is some thing I am working towards.
This is really important, I use to pretap a lot and my coach got that shit outta me. My first tournament I got a triangle locked on me and my GI went over my face and the guy started to armbar me. Got my grips, stacked and got out but holy shit if I didn't know my safe ranges I would have tapped because I still almost tapped anyways.
Win or lose it's only your first tournament! Go for the win of course but remember this tournament is a stepping stone for you! Good luck man I wish you the best
I'm sixty and I'm done getting injured. My motto is, Tap early, tap often. If someone doesn't like that, they can roll with someone else. The nice thing about rolling with advanced guys is that you can usually expect not to be injured and you can let the submission go further to get more experience. With you young, hungry guys though? Tap early, tap often.
What makes you think they know their limits? I don't find that true at all, I can't tell you how many times I've told coaches (in various sports) that I couldn't do something and told me that I needed to find a way. Turns out, in every single instance of that happening that I can remember that I was the one who was wrong.
I am a white belt and I dont think I tap too early, i think i tap too much, generally when i resemble a pretzel and gasp for air as some blue or purple belt chuckles
I tapped too early when I was starting in BJJ. At one point all my classmates and coaches would tell me in rolls "I'm not letting you tap to this. you need to fight out of it." and they kept me safe. I think if you train with the same people or people that have trained for some time there is a level of understanding with submissions so people don't get injured. I think if someone doesn't understand defenses for things like leg locks it isn't a bad thing to tap early, but they should also learn how to get out of bad positions and when the position is lost. I also think that some people get very good at submissions fast and as white belts without years of rolling, they are more dangerous than a black belt (in training situations). for example, 20 year old wrestlers are the F#$%ing worst because they are super athletic and have a 100% attack mindset and will grip and rip. those folks need to learn how to take care of training partners and the early tappers need to learn how to trust their training partners. Sometimes we are hammers and sometimes we are nails, but we all need both for building things. Thanks Chewi!
As a long-time viewer of this channel - I think I understood that Chewy was not encouraging people to engage in dangerous, risky practices in training. But I'm glad he clarified for those that might be thinking he was telling ppl to just bite down on their mouthguard and grind through the pain of a tight heel hook or choke. BTW - I have found ppl have a very limited sense of what their bodies can bear when it comes to shoulder locks. Not even so much the kimura-style, but the monoplata-type locks. I guess it is because it is a position that ppl might never have been in so it is hard to gauge their pain tolerance until the lock comes on very quickly. I always go super-slow when I have the monoplata on a blue belt or lower
I have a tendency to tap out early when facing an armbar if I don’t trust my training partner to do it safely. Recently I got an injury on my elbow from an ego driven white belt who took it personal that he was getting bested by a much smaller guy and that made me become more cautious of who I allow to take the submission to the limit
I only tap if I feel like I'm going to break something or pass out, or if it REALLY hurts too much. I like to give myself a chance to escape and learn to resist tapping if I decide to compete. I know my limits though and don't try to be a tough guy, amrbars for me especially hurt quickly.
Hey Chewy I don’t think many people were angry at you but more angry at the idea that someone might misunderstand what you meant and hurt someone, you’re awesome always
I didn't like the last video because it sounded like you condoned not letting go immediately when someone taps. Telling people they should not tap too soon is a very different thing. I like this one.
As a new white belt with 2 stripes in a class where nobody's higher than white, I always pride myself and get praised rather often by my main coach on rarely tapping and always fighting until I turn blue, escape, or get paralyzed by pain. It helps that most people in my class aren't very good at submissions, though the coaches like to call all joint-lock subs too early which sucks because 90% of the time they aren't legit and can be fought out of. A warrior's spirit is his greatest asset! 파이팅!!!
Depending on the submission, it won't be worth holding out and forcing people to apply real pressure. That's a great way to stay a white belt for years due to injury. Source: I was a white belt for years due to injury
I'm a white belt and I was rolling with a Black Belt and he showed me a choke... I felt the tap but my arms were tangled and I couldn't release he tap me again and then I manage to let go!! I felt terrible honestly I had no idea what I was doing!! I thing this happen alot specially with new people... I know he could have done something horrible to me to get away but he didn't!!!
I completely agree with you. The tap is sacred, but when the submitee taps early you don’t get real feedback as the submitter. I also have never injured a training partner.
I had the opposite thing going on. Even though I am older than almost everyone I roll with, I came in with a really high level of physical fitness and mental toughness (hard headed). I asked myself, " Is something going to break, am I going to pass out?" If the answer was no I refused to tap. Probably not the smartest thing for a rookie but I haven't been injured yet and I feel that my skill level is coming along faster because of it.
100% agree, I typically don't tap to chokes until my vision starts going slightly dark and I wait until there is a definitive pinch in armbars. If its a slight pinch then Ill still attempt my hitchhiker escape.
@@FR-ty5vn I have heard of this before a couple years ago. From what I understand and remember it happens from being repeatedly choked out near unconsciousness multiple times in a row?
@@alecbradford3388 you can get little tears in the arteries (probably from repeatedly fighting chokes too long) that usually heal on their own if you give them a chance…I wouldn’t wait until you’re passing out routinely to tap - tap early, just not too early…in other words, if there’s no submission locked in don’t tap, but don’t wait for your joint to pop or you’re going to sleep…
One thing is for sure, most times if you don’t tap out early in a choke and fight it your partner will end up getting frustrated and tired and just leave it. As for other submissions on arms etc that’s more risky.
My philosophy on tapping is similar to Chewy's. I would add that I think its best to tap sooner on any kind of joint related submission and that you can try to fight out of chokes a little longer. I have never passed out from a choke and I do tap to them, but often chokes need a lot more finesse and because people tap to them too early a lot of people cannot finish a choke properly. I do still try to escape from joint locks, but when its. Locked you're done. Is it safe to say that if you can't move anymore while a joint submission is being applied that you are likely finished?
Some of this is about trusting your partners not to injure you. I never tap to chokes until my vision is starting to be seriously effected by the the blood loss. I tap very early on joint locks. I don't care if I actually get choked out in a practice round, but I don't want surgery to repair busted joints.
I pre-tap a lot, cuz I have a lot of bad arthritis after 25yrs & I have enough experience, I can tell when I am in an untenable position, but I don't usually go back to a neutral position. I pick tend to pick up where we left off, after alleviating the discomfort.
One of my very first rolls when I started BJJ I got my foot stuck in the guy's gi Don't ask how, the magic of white belt spazz. Anyway, I got worried that he might break my ankle or something so I tapped. Did I mention that I had zero idea how to move in bjj yet?
I'm a purple working with a whitebelt who wanted to compete. Think I mad him mad cause I told him don't waste my time if your tapping before I even got the sub locked up. It pissed him off. I know it did but pissed me off as well. But 2 weeks later his roll was a lot better. Guess it set it in. He said he was scared he get hurt or injured. Told him I wouldn't hurt him on purpose but got to learn. I need to learn get the position on right he needs to learn get out of it. Tapping before the position is close won't help either of us. But after we talked I see a lot of improvement. But there was a week or 2 of tension but it was worth it
I have another problem. I'm an only girl in our gym rolling. Some people just don't tap. Especially young ones, who train more time then me (I'm a white belt 3 stripes). I've hurt them few times because of it. Now if I'm happy with a position and I'm sure submission will work I just let go before they tap.
I don't let go of any submissions before they tap, and when someone does that to me I ask them why. If they tell me that they didn't want to injure me, then I tell them to trust me and I'll tap when I think its time. It is, however, something that has to be learned, but I do not think that you have to break anything to learn where the limits are, you just have to roll with people that aren't trying to hurt you and vice versa. I think of it this way, if I tap before its time, then I've robbed my training partner the opportunity to fight against an escape. That's an opportunity for them to get better, and I don't like robbing my training partners of opportunities to get better. Yes, this might increase the chance of getting injured. I acknowledge that. But you know what else increases your chance of getting injured? Purely by stepping onto the mat you have increased your chances of being injured. If someone doesn't want to accept the inherent risks of an activity, then I suggest that they find another activity. Don't let go of your submissions before they tap. Not only are you robbing yourself of the opportunity to control the submission, but you're also robbing your training partner the opportunity to escape.
Hey chewy I just joined a BJJ gym that is a Gracie Barra school I just joined 2 days ago and I’ve been to 5 classes so far including today 11/4 am I training too much? I mean I’m sore for sure and covered in bruises haha but once I’m warmed up I’m gtg. I plan to train everyday but max 50% effort even with people who go 💯 and my days off will be ones that naturally occur like holidays, sickness or family events.
10000% I purposely pick the 260 guys at 170 to learn how I can sweep or big man triangle or just stay calm being smashed and stacked. It’s not fun usually but it’s getting easier and learning to avoid certain things.
Thats me right now! I'm brand new so i tend to tap early. Usually if they got my arm extended or to get out from under the other person because I can't breathe when they put their weight on my stomach( working on my stamina). other times is because the person smells bad and I don't want to be trapped under that funk.
I’ll tap when there’s no escape but I like to be put back in the situation and escape without the full crank... if you need to tap it’s because you made a mistake that led to the lock being tight but sometimes there’s room to escape and figuring that out is nice 👍
Context is important. In the first video, you specifically said that the white belt tapped, and the higher belt didn't respect the tap. I think that's what most folks take issue with. It's vastly different to have a talk with your white belt and let them know they shouldn't tap early and encourage them to work vs. having someone tap and basically saying "no, I don't accept your tap". I really took it as a bit of (and this is really an overstatement, but I don't have a better way to say it) an egotistical mindset "Oh, these poor folks shouldn't be tapping, I know better, and I'll show them when they should really tap". It's as if saying you know them better than they know themselves. Because again, people could be tapping for any variety of reasons. Yes, you should communicate and talk to your training partners, no you shouldn't keep going after they tap. If someone taps and I haven't really submitted them, I'm still immediately getting off of them. Then I ask them if they are okay. If everything was cool, and they were just tapping early - THEN that might be a good time to talk to them, put them back in the same position and let them understand they have a lot more room to work, but only after the tap has been respected.
'I really took it as a bit of . . . an egotistical mindset "Oh, these poor folks shouldn't be tapping, I know better, and I'll show them when they should really tap".' I appreciate that you think that this is an overstatement, but I actually see this as the role of a coach/higher belt. If you're tapping too early, then you're making a mistake. I don't see it as any different from turning the wrong way and getting caught in a submission. You had a chance to change the situation, but you failed to take advantage of that opportunity. I think more experienced grapplers have the duty to impart their wisdom on their training partners. That doesn't mean that you ignore the tap, but in order for the tap to be respected it must be *worthy* of respect. The number one thing in training isn't safety, but injury prevention. BJJ isn't safe, we can't practice this craft with safety in mind. However, we can practice it trying to reduce injuries to our training partners. If you're tapping too early, then I really think you should rethink whether or not its worth it being on the mat for you because sooner or later something WILL happen and you WILL get injured. I'd even go further than what Chewy says, if you have to tap early because of an injury, then you shouldn't be on the mat because you're just hurting your recovery. However, I will say there's a difference between "tapping early" and "tapping earlier." Even day to day we don't always have the same tolerances for submissions.
I started BJJ on Sep 21 and at a weight of 390. I am now down to 368 and can tell im improving. However, I hear you talk about “a big guy” being 210-250. Unfortunately, I am not there yet and my core isnt as strong and many moves are hard for me. I was wondering if you could show “big guy” moves that have limited mobility. I feel confident from side control but someone in my closed guard is weak and as soon as they posture my guard is broken.
I tap early mainly because as a white belt, I don't know how to get out of certain positions yet. I don't want to waste time struggling and just think it would be more productive to reset.
I have definitely had white belts tap before they are actually caught. Iv also seen them never tap even when they are screwed. Iv never seen a blue belt do it though. I might be wrong but it seems like something people get passed with experience.
I have two herniated discs in my neck, I no longer try to fight out of chokes like I used to. If I do, my neck will kink up for the next two weeks. If you get to my neck, you won
Chewy, people were pissed because not respecting the tap is never ok, and the purple Belt in question didn’t respect the tap of the white belt. You cannot expect people to fill in the details. You don’t know why your partner taps. And you clarified that here. But you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. No exceptions. Not letting go when your partner taps is assault. Higher belts don’t get any special privileges.
Hi Nick, first of all, AWESOME and GREAT channel!! I was once told off by my MMA coach as my partner (who expressed beforehand that his left shoulder is injured) doesn't want to tap when I put on a shoulder lock, and I went a bit too far and made him sore. Now, in relation to "early tap" subject, in your opinion, was that my fault or was his? Considering he got shoulder injury, shouldn't be trapped early as soon as I got the hold of his shoulder? To be honest, in the heart of the moment I can't even remember that he got an injured shoulder as I'm thinking of my techniques during MMA Sparring. Thanks
i try to not tap super early to anything above the knee. someone goes for a heelhook? i try to defend it but when they get close, tap. ankle lock i can’t get out of? tap. knee bar? tap before they have time to crank it
About the only way to get me to tap quick is to threaten my legs. I'm very protective of my knees which are pretty beat up. I am not interested in going to see a surgeon again. Anything else I'm holding on as long as possible.
Professor Chewy I have been watching you now for over a year, and I couldn’t be happier with your advise and experience. Thank you 🙏. Now on to the topic. I make it a practice to tap asap when my partner, has the submission, I don’t care if they like it or not. That whole thing about “ hey dude why you didn’t let me finish, or your getting your training and I’m not” that is all nonsense. Why you may have asked? Because if you all think about it, your partner got to that position, and that’s from the roll. So both got to train in that roll. This is why to me, easily 7 out of 10 partners get mad from the early tap, why again? Because the can’t put in that ego box. So I’ll tap early from white belt, blue, purple, brown, black. It’s my journey not just yours.
I love getting compliments from my coach but I feel like he doesn’t acknowledge me bc I don’t rlly get compliments from him and idk if I wanna quit jiu jitsu bc I feel like I’m not improving without any motivation
I tapped the other day to a brown belt when he went for a blood choke lapel choke that a guy showed me a couple days prior I tapped cuz I knew what was a nut to happen and had no idea to stop it
What would you say if the coach says that in a manor that we are too soft if we tap when he got you in an arm bar and me feeling my elbow was close to it's limits? I had this situation few weeks ago and i don't understand why anybody should risk elbow, knee or whatever just to hold the tap for two more seconds. And i am pretty new to the sport doing it just because i like learning new things and testing myself. What is your opinion as a experienced coach? I understand if you prepare an athlete for ADCC is one thing and teaching hobiests another.
I think its because a lot of people don't want to be told that they're doing something the wrong way, and there's a lot of watered down jiujitsu out there all in the name of "safety." While its definitely true that you can't injure your students and make a profit running a gym (and you shouldn't do that), there are a lot of gyms that have taken that to an insane extreme in the name of "safety." You got to ask yourself, does your coach care about making you better, or collecting your payment. If they're not pushing you through at least some uncomfortable situations, its probably the latter.
My partner's safety is always more important than my ego. If I don't have something on my partner clean, I don't chase bad techniques with strength and risk injuries. Simple rules. I also won't roll with boneheads.
I think not tapping too early is an important lesson to teach someone but ignoring a tap is potentially going to ruin trust. If someone taps they are out, end of. As a coach you need to find another way of teaching this lesson, maybe a suggestion could be you ease off on the first tap, check in, find out why but then reset to the position they tapped out at and encourage them to try and escape.
Do not pause during the intro. Chewie amalgamations that you can create by chance can be disturbing Anyhow, man. I am battling myself whether I have enough will to pick up my white belt lessons again after over a year long break. But extend of what I am able to do rn is get up for work. Stuck in a deep hole of whateverness
Hey chew what do you do if your doing the submission in a slow controlled way and they dont tap? I personally dont stop and continue bc its not my arm and imo jiu jitsu is training to break arms. Its their responsibility as a good partner to know their limits and tap when you're doing it correctly. I have been put into spots in competition where people hold out longer than extended locked out arms and the instincts I built from the gym kick in and stop me from going further and really breaking their arm. This was a hurdle I eventually overcame but I feel like when holding back and not going further when YOU think their arm is going to break builds a bad habit for real situations where you cant "pull the trigger" so to say. Its their arm and if I'm controlled and slowly applying pressure, I wont stop adding pressure until the tap, if their ego comes at the cost of their arm so be it. Leave it at the door step and stay humble. Love the vid
This is actually a real phenomenon that I think a lot of people don't want to talk about, because it gets into the darker side of human nature; however, that's not a rational reason to ignore it. In WWI, which was the first modern war for many countries, there was this widespread hesitation for soldiers to shoot people (especially at long distances). There are recorded accounts of people unloading bullets and "targets" and missing. Was this a matter of not being able to aim? Its unlikely. The truth is that there's a hesitation because in general people don't actually like to intentionally hurt others and they were missing on purpose. So what millitaries started doing is not just creating targets to hit the bullseye, but started making targets that resembled human beings to desensitize the soldiers from shooting people. I think the hesitation that you're experiencing in competition is very similar to this, which is one of the reasons why I'm so against the pretap--and honestly, I'm also kind of against "giving your opponent time" as well. While I wouldn't go as far as you to say something to the effect of "I don't care its not MY arm," I do lean in that direction, because part of getting better at the sport is going to be learning when to tap and when you can still fight. Generally, I look at it this way, is the person a belt lower than me? If yes, then I care more about not trying to injure them in the submission. If they're the same belt or higher, then I expect--and trust--that they can defend themselves and they don't need me to baby them.
ppl tap out of fear of injury. At least that's what I did in 2 months I went. Not knowing your limits is the reason. It's kind of rude to just look at the issue from only your point of view. Or plain stupid.
@@krzysiekj2522 He said this: "just because your afraid to lose or get put in a sub." You said this: "ppl tap out of fear of injury. " Can you explain to me how you two have different "points of view"? It really seems to me that you're saying the same thing. I agree with him. I would honestly be insulted if someone at my gym thought I was going to hurt them, because I never act in a way that indicates that I'm not worthy of trust. I don't see it any different from someone saying that they think you're a thief. I haven't stolen anything. You can't just throw around accusations like that, and if you're tapping too early, then that's what you're actually communicating to your training partner: "I think you'll injure me." How many people have I injured? The answer is 0. Yes, it is rude to say that you don't trust your training partners. If you don't trust me, then don't roll with me or find another gym.
@@insidetrip101 simple. You might have no intention of causing any harm. And I sure respect that. Never said it is my rolling partner's intention to cause harm. But hear me out: I have zero athletic background. I train for 2-3 months. When a blue belt I train with tries some of his grapples and submissions, I am already outside of my comfort zone when I tap. It hurts and I do not want him to extend my arm even further- THE WAY I NEVER HAD it extended. I do not know what my body can handle. Give ppl time. They will grow. For you to consider a premature tap (in your opinion, mind you, for me is exactly perfect time to tap) a disrespect is pure absurd. You considering it rude of ppl that they tap out of fear of injury. I say you are either stupid or inexperienced 20yo kid who feels the need to power through everyone. If you feel your partner taps to early- RESPECT THAT. Stop for a second after that. Talk to that person and explain step by step what was happening. Walk him through your thought process and the submission you applied. Once done, ask if you should pick it up where he tapped- most likely will agree. Just make ppl aware of the move and let them work out little by little what their limits are. With your attitude you will make them abandon training. That is a field I am not versed in. But let's change a field and hop into some IT stuff you've never done in your life. Should I consider it rude of you if you fail to run some network diagnostics or troubleshoot a blue screen? No. Proper way to handle this is to stop, explain, repeat. Or did your parents consider it rude of you as you did not know how to use cutlery as a toddler? No. They stopped, explained, repeated until you managed to properly use a freaking spoon. Food for thought, mate.
Me and my buddy were drilling arm triangles one day and as he was squeezing tighter on my neck, I didn't tap but my neck made a loud pop. My buddy immediately let go in a panic and asked "bro are you ok?" I just let out a sigh of relief and said "yeah man, I've been trying to pop my neck all day. Thanks bro" we both laughed afterwards 😂
I've had that so many times haha, especially from my judoka bros they have a ridiculous level of strength 😳
One guy had a stiff neck and during a roll the same thing happened. He was so relieved! He went from being unable to turn his head to full range of motion. Fun stuff
Similar thing happened to me yesterday, got put in an armbar, my elbow popped as he pulled back and he instantly let go and asked are you OK. I was fine, didn't even hurt think it was like cracking knuckles.
@@zacdunne7989 24h after your arm is still safe?
@@gxvault4166 Yeah feels fine, on the other hand my wrist that appeared fine at the time is not😂
My friend got choked out as he did not tap, now he is happy in heaven. Thanks Chewy
Agreed. Once I was rolling with a guy who caught me in an armbar and I tapped as soon as I realised I couldn't get out of it. He asked me why I tapped if he hadn't even fully extended my arm yet. I replied saying that this is the exact reason why I tapped, as I don't need to feel my elbow cracking to realise that I have been submitted.
If he was slowly pulling on it then you should allow him to safely practice the submission. Or else just tell him no limb submissions.
I was about 6 weeks in and tried to curl my way out of an arm bar from a large purple belt. My bicep tore off my arm, had it surgically reattached.
I kept going to class to watch, then slowly got to roll again after 5 months, 100% 8 months after surgery. I learned to tap early!! The hard way.
I now compete at blue belt and have a lot of arm bar defensive techniques I've worked diligently on.
That is like saying my RNC defense it to hold my breath. It doesn’t sound like the late tap was the issue.
It was my trying to resist an armbar against a much larger opponent by doing a curl instead of tapping, or using technique I didn't have at the time. It was a mounted arm bar and as he leaned back to finish, I tried using all my strength in a jerking motion. I've been in construction my whole life so I'm strong enough, but it could also have been from wear and tear from packing heavy doors up stairs and tight hallways, manipulating the door so it won't scratch the wall. If you can imagine doing that every day for a few years.
@@matthewjones8322 yeah again I was new, I should have tapped instead of trying something stupid similar to holding my breath in a choke.
Im a white belt young guy and Ive been training for around 7 months and I personally just tap whenever I feel like I am stuck or they can get the submission in. 2 reasons of mine, I have work and a life outside of bjj and I am thinking of the long term of taking care of my body. All those armbars, kimuras, etc that you try to power through all add up later in life (as explained to one of the older guys in my gym) and its not something I want to risk. Secondly, I recently pretty much put out a newer guy to a triangle because he didnt tap and that is not something I would wanna do in rolls
100000% - perfect 👍🏼 explanation - this is funny, I tape my ankle with bright colored self-adhesive tape due to previously torn ligaments on both sides - most people leave that ankle alone but a few others are drawn toward it and immediately go for an ankle lock - I’m always like WTF? 😆
🤣🤣I’d be the guy to grab your ankle
@@Nittyking420 I’m not saying I tap 😜
@@realAmpereD what?
I’m 45 and my body is slowly getting tore up from training. I tap early and often because it’s just practice and I don’t need my body broken because I’m trying to be tough. If I make a bad mistake, put myself in a very bad position and feel like I can’t pull out I tap.
Competing is different but a torn ligament that requires surgery isnt worth that $5 medal.
I feel you brother. I’m also 45 and feeling the strain in my elbows. I’ve definitely learned to be cautious when rolling with newer people and to tap early to prevent unnecessary injuries.
I'd never encourage you to break yourself trying to be tough.
@@Chewjitsu thanks for clearing things up. It is beneficial to know the capabilities of your training partners and whether they respect the tap.
@@Chewjitsu thanks, your words of advice are much appreciated. I used to tap to stuff that I didn’t understand I could still escape from. As I’ve gotten more mat time I know there are some spots where you can push through and pull out without a tap.
I'm 36, also had an injury from not tapping when I started. One of my coaches basically alluded to the fact that anyone who taps to an ezekiel choke is a pussy. So I have never tapped to that submission, but I will tap early if someone has my arm or a neck crank during training.
Being a finish carpenter, I need my body to earn income. Luckily we have good people at the gym.
absolute. I tapped early as a whit belt also. As I grew in the sport I have learned where my limits are.
Yes the tap should be honored. That said you will never get a blue belt in my school tapping to pressure or tapping early. You don't have to be a super tough guy to do Jiu-jitsu but a certain amount of grit is expected if you are going to progress past the first belt.
When you tap way too early you create train scars for both you and your partner. You are basically teaching yourself to stop fighting and give up whenever you feel uncomfortable and you are possibly tapping to a poor technique done by your partner but he thinks its good because you tapped.
The moment the sub is locked in I'll tap, unless it's a choke. Then I'll tap when my neck is getting cranked or I'm seeing stars 😅
Chew is hands down one of the best instructors on this platform! Oss❤
Thanks Chewy for all the content you are sharing! Been training for 6 months now and I have to say I thank my coach and higher belts who roll with me and tell me to try to defend as much as I can when there is still no risks and still chances to escape.
Few weeks ago my back was caught and my partner was trying to apply a choke or jaw crush, not sure what we was going for but it was definitely a jaw crush which is super uncomfortable. Few month back I would have tapped due to the sheer pressure of it, however as it was not a chock I just endured it and took time to defend and at the end could escape it and went back into is full guard.
I am 40, therefore injury is really not an option for me as 1. I need to work, 2. I want to be able to keep practicing for many years but body is not as forgiving as a young one. However, it is good to grasp the limits and where you can push to survive longer. Never give up until you really need to.
One more thing to add is while other white belts my be more 'Spatzy' with less control, I feel that when rolling with higher belts, they have lots of control and generally give you time and opportunity to try to escape and work on different opportunities. They understand from where we are coming from and even while rolling try to share as much as possible which is really cool.
Thanks Chewy. As a white belt, one of my first questions last year when I started was what's too early to tap. I don't want to go too early, but I don't want to be that "tough guy" and go too long either. I believe I have a better handle on it now, but still a great commentary.
Happy to help brother.
I don't tap out SUPER easy but I still tap when I shouldn't, Rickon Gracie said on JRE he got wrapped himself in a carpet as a kid to get used to being uncomfortable maybe I need to try that, I have mild claustrophobia getting smothered is HORRIBLE.
I get this too. My stepdad used to wrap me up in a thick blanket and tie me up with rope when I was really young and watch me struggle to escape. He thought it was funny. But now if I get stuck under someone and feel like I can't breathe, I will panic and tap out. I'm trying to focus on modulating my breathing and work through it but it's a difficult thing to overcome.
@@thataquariuschick While that is slightly funny I theory, it’s more f- up, especially if it was causing real panic.
@@thataquariuschick sorry you had to deal with an abusive parent dude, that's a fucked up situation.
what i’m doing to work on this is find the round timer, and try and last x number of seconds longer. whether it be the end of the minute, the end of the round (if it’s close), or just 30 more seconds, and I work for those 30 seconds. usually a.) I get out of it b.) they move to a new position or c.) they submit me (mostly c)
I am a 50 yr old 4 stripe white belt. Ex baseball player with right labrum tear (minor as to the surgery no being able to improve the issue) BUT still painful. I can be super competitive but I tap quickly when someone has me in a submission where my shoulder may be compromised.
My personal philosophy (more for self defense) is that I tap when a submission is on. 1) I don't want to injur myself trying to escape or hold on too long and 2) I want to do my best to avoid getting into submissions, because realistically, you're usually screwed if the person is of similar skill or higher than you and I care more about training to avoid them rather than get out of them. Plus, in real life attacks (if someone is attacking you with BJJ lol...) they would nuke submissions on you instead of slow and controlled movements, so best to not let yourself get there. Escaping pins is very useful imo, but I just own up to it when a sub is on.
What bothers me about pre-tapping (when you're not injured) is that it takes away from correct application of the move as well as how to defend or escape.
I completely agree with you, and I loathe how everyone just completely ignores this point. Its not all about the person defending, the person attacking should be able to get his practice in too.
I genuinely don't understand why this even needed clarification, I didn't see anyone give any good argument against what Chewy said. He never said you shouldn't respect the tap, what he said is that the tap ought to be *worthy* of respect.
If you're just tapping because you're uncomfortable or scared, then you still have a lot to learn about jiujitsu and the only way that you're going to improve in that area is by someone saying "hey bro, I think you're tapping too early."
I genuinely don't understand how you get from what Chewy said to "people's arm's and legs are going to fall off."
I totally get not tapping to pressure and panicking, its good to learn to relax breathe and fight through it. However fighting through extended joint locks like armbars, kimuras, heel hooks is ridiculous. Especially for white belts, if you feel the joint lock i think you should tap, not worth destroying your joints in your first couple years of bjj before youve even really got started.
I love your White Belt content.
I began BJJ in September and have been going 3/4 times a week for almost 3 months now. Your videos were the first BJJ vids I started watching.
Keep it up!
Still doing it?
I’m 53, been training long enough to tap as soon as someone has a strong submission before pain. Keeps me healthy and training.
Hello to all
I’m a 60 years faixa roza . I m very tall 1.90 cm and very strong for people of my age and never injured any people because that day I will leave jiu jitsu , I like to roll with white belts and I let them submit me but wen I rolling with someone experience I will not tap if I think I can escape but if I see that is not escape I will tap fast
Wen I started my coach press you s lot and weight 200 lbs wen he mounted I thinking please submit me I don’t want to be down here but he don’t let you tap , only went he summit you
Regards
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Totally agree with you chewy....my training partner had me in an arm bar but not totally my hands were locked at my chest he had both legs across my body and pulling on my right arm I looked at the clock and there was 4 seconds left so I fought the arm bar....guess what I heard a pop at first I thought my partner broke his arm ...nope my right shoulder pop ...was out for a few weeks no surgery thank god...just got back from school and guess what another guy had me in the same exact position....I tapped right away my partner was kind of surprised...I told him the story and he understood... sometimes it's better just to tap then get injured
I'm a white belt and just started like 2 weeks back.
I kind of tap out early cuz as just you said in the video I am not very used to being in a un-comfortable situation.
but this week the couch put in mount and was like nope you ain't tapping out early until I submit you.
Soo what I learned is that as a newbie , it is not only fitness but also the ability not to panic in this tense situations and keep a calm mind which I still find it to be a bit hard but it is some thing I am working towards.
This is really important, I use to pretap a lot and my coach got that shit outta me. My first tournament I got a triangle locked on me and my GI went over my face and the guy started to armbar me. Got my grips, stacked and got out but holy shit if I didn't know my safe ranges I would have tapped because I still almost tapped anyways.
Great information, got my first tournament coming up and I'm super nervous 😅
Win or lose it's only your first tournament! Go for the win of course but remember this tournament is a stepping stone for you! Good luck man I wish you the best
Thank you. I aim to do my best
I'm sixty and I'm done getting injured. My motto is, Tap early, tap often. If someone doesn't like that, they can roll with someone else. The nice thing about rolling with advanced guys is that you can usually expect not to be injured and you can let the submission go further to get more experience. With you young, hungry guys though? Tap early, tap often.
Always respect someone’s tap. They know the limits of their body. You don’t.
What makes you think they know their limits? I don't find that true at all, I can't tell you how many times I've told coaches (in various sports) that I couldn't do something and told me that I needed to find a way. Turns out, in every single instance of that happening that I can remember that I was the one who was wrong.
I am a white belt and I dont think I tap too early, i think i tap too much, generally when i resemble a pretzel and gasp for air as some blue or purple belt chuckles
I tapped too early when I was starting in BJJ. At one point all my classmates and coaches would tell me in rolls "I'm not letting you tap to this. you need to fight out of it." and they kept me safe. I think if you train with the same people or people that have trained for some time there is a level of understanding with submissions so people don't get injured. I think if someone doesn't understand defenses for things like leg locks it isn't a bad thing to tap early, but they should also learn how to get out of bad positions and when the position is lost. I also think that some people get very good at submissions fast and as white belts without years of rolling, they are more dangerous than a black belt (in training situations). for example, 20 year old wrestlers are the F#$%ing worst because they are super athletic and have a 100% attack mindset and will grip and rip. those folks need to learn how to take care of training partners and the early tappers need to learn how to trust their training partners. Sometimes we are hammers and sometimes we are nails, but we all need both for building things. Thanks Chewi!
As a long-time viewer of this channel - I think I understood that Chewy was not encouraging people to engage in dangerous, risky practices in training. But I'm glad he clarified for those that might be thinking he was telling ppl to just bite down on their mouthguard and grind through the pain of a tight heel hook or choke. BTW - I have found ppl have a very limited sense of what their bodies can bear when it comes to shoulder locks. Not even so much the kimura-style, but the monoplata-type locks. I guess it is because it is a position that ppl might never have been in so it is hard to gauge their pain tolerance until the lock comes on very quickly. I always go super-slow when I have the monoplata on a blue belt or lower
I have a tendency to tap out early when facing an armbar if I don’t trust my training partner to do it safely. Recently I got an injury on my elbow from an ego driven white belt who took it personal that he was getting bested by a much smaller guy and that made me become more cautious of who I allow to take the submission to the limit
I only tap if I feel like I'm going to break something or pass out, or if it REALLY hurts too much. I like to give myself a chance to escape and learn to resist tapping if I decide to compete. I know my limits though and don't try to be a tough guy, amrbars for me especially hurt quickly.
Hey Chewy I don’t think many people were angry at you but more angry at the idea that someone might misunderstand what you meant and hurt someone, you’re awesome always
I didn't like the last video because it sounded like you condoned not letting go immediately when someone taps. Telling people they should not tap too soon is a very different thing. I like this one.
As a new white belt with 2 stripes in a class where nobody's higher than white, I always pride myself and get praised rather often by my main coach on rarely tapping and always fighting until I turn blue, escape, or get paralyzed by pain. It helps that most people in my class aren't very good at submissions, though the coaches like to call all joint-lock subs too early which sucks because 90% of the time they aren't legit and can be fought out of.
A warrior's spirit is his greatest asset! 파이팅!!!
Depending on the submission, it won't be worth holding out and forcing people to apply real pressure. That's a great way to stay a white belt for years due to injury.
Source: I was a white belt for years due to injury
I'm a white belt and I was rolling with a Black Belt and he showed me a choke... I felt the tap but my arms were tangled and I couldn't release he tap me again and then I manage to let go!! I felt terrible honestly I had no idea what I was doing!! I thing this happen alot specially with new people... I know he could have done something horrible to me to get away but he didn't!!!
Always try to escape. Especially armbar, there's so many escapes when it's extended, you're both missing out on a major part of the technique.
I completely agree with you. The tap is sacred, but when the submitee taps early you don’t get real feedback as the submitter. I also have never injured a training partner.
I had the opposite thing going on. Even though I am older than almost everyone I roll with, I came in with a really high level of physical fitness and mental toughness (hard headed). I asked myself, " Is something going to break, am I going to pass out?" If the answer was no I refused to tap. Probably not the smartest thing for a rookie but I haven't been injured yet and I feel that my skill level is coming along faster because of it.
100% agree, I typically don't tap to chokes until my vision starts going slightly dark and I wait until there is a definitive pinch in armbars. If its a slight pinch then Ill still attempt my hitchhiker escape.
Careful with the chokes - look up strokes from chokes…
@@FR-ty5vn I have heard of this before a couple years ago. From what I understand and remember it happens from being repeatedly choked out near unconsciousness multiple times in a row?
@@alecbradford3388 you can get little tears in the arteries (probably from repeatedly fighting chokes too long) that usually heal on their own if you give them a chance…I wouldn’t wait until you’re passing out routinely to tap - tap early, just not too early…in other words, if there’s no submission locked in don’t tap, but don’t wait for your joint to pop or you’re going to sleep…
another enjoyable talk. very good video.
One thing is for sure, most times if you don’t tap out early in a choke and fight it your partner will end up getting frustrated and tired and just leave it. As for other submissions on arms etc that’s more risky.
My philosophy on tapping is similar to Chewy's. I would add that I think its best to tap sooner on any kind of joint related submission and that you can try to fight out of chokes a little longer.
I have never passed out from a choke and I do tap to them, but often chokes need a lot more finesse and because people tap to them too early a lot of people cannot finish a choke properly.
I do still try to escape from joint locks, but when its. Locked you're done. Is it safe to say that if you can't move anymore while a joint submission is being applied that you are likely finished?
Some of this is about trusting your partners not to injure you. I never tap to chokes until my vision is starting to be seriously effected by the the blood loss. I tap very early on joint locks. I don't care if I actually get choked out in a practice round, but I don't want surgery to repair busted joints.
this is perfect and it is a good example of "leaving the ego at the door"
I pre-tap a lot, cuz I have a lot of bad arthritis after 25yrs & I have enough experience, I can tell when I am in an untenable position, but I don't usually go back to a neutral position. I pick tend to pick up where we left off, after alleviating the discomfort.
One of my very first rolls when I started BJJ I got my foot stuck in the guy's gi Don't ask how, the magic of white belt spazz. Anyway, I got worried that he might break my ankle or something so I tapped. Did I mention that I had zero idea how to move in bjj yet?
This is just good common sense in training! Good stuff!
Always on point sir!
I'm a purple working with a whitebelt who wanted to compete. Think I mad him mad cause I told him don't waste my time if your tapping before I even got the sub locked up. It pissed him off. I know it did but pissed me off as well. But 2 weeks later his roll was a lot better. Guess it set it in. He said he was scared he get hurt or injured. Told him I wouldn't hurt him on purpose but got to learn. I need to learn get the position on right he needs to learn get out of it. Tapping before the position is close won't help either of us. But after we talked I see a lot of improvement. But there was a week or 2 of tension but it was worth it
Thats how I understood your 1st video on the subject.
I have another problem. I'm an only girl in our gym rolling. Some people just don't tap. Especially young ones, who train more time then me (I'm a white belt 3 stripes). I've hurt them few times because of it. Now if I'm happy with a position and I'm sure submission will work I just let go before they tap.
Sounds like they're scared to let a girl tap them
Tell them "tap, dude" whenever you are in position
I don't let go of any submissions before they tap, and when someone does that to me I ask them why. If they tell me that they didn't want to injure me, then I tell them to trust me and I'll tap when I think its time. It is, however, something that has to be learned, but I do not think that you have to break anything to learn where the limits are, you just have to roll with people that aren't trying to hurt you and vice versa.
I think of it this way, if I tap before its time, then I've robbed my training partner the opportunity to fight against an escape. That's an opportunity for them to get better, and I don't like robbing my training partners of opportunities to get better.
Yes, this might increase the chance of getting injured. I acknowledge that. But you know what else increases your chance of getting injured? Purely by stepping onto the mat you have increased your chances of being injured. If someone doesn't want to accept the inherent risks of an activity, then I suggest that they find another activity.
Don't let go of your submissions before they tap. Not only are you robbing yourself of the opportunity to control the submission, but you're also robbing your training partner the opportunity to escape.
Nice! I'm slowly finding my limits to when I need to tap!
Hey chewy I just joined a BJJ gym that is a Gracie Barra school I just joined 2 days ago and I’ve been to 5 classes so far including today 11/4 am I training too much? I mean I’m sore for sure and covered in bruises haha but once I’m warmed up I’m gtg. I plan to train everyday but max 50% effort even with people who go 💯 and my days off will be ones that naturally occur like holidays, sickness or family events.
10000% I purposely pick the 260 guys at 170 to learn how I can sweep or big man triangle or just stay calm being smashed and stacked. It’s not fun usually but it’s getting easier and learning to avoid certain things.
Thats me right now! I'm brand new so i tend to tap early. Usually if they got my arm extended or to get out from under the other person because I can't breathe when they put their weight on my stomach( working on my stamina). other times is because the person smells bad and I don't want to be trapped under that funk.
for me I put submissions on really quick unless it's a joint lock or if I know that my partner won't be able to get out of it
I’ll tap when there’s no escape but I like to be put back in the situation and escape without the full crank... if you need to tap it’s because you made a mistake that led to the lock being tight but sometimes there’s room to escape and figuring that out is nice 👍
Context is important. In the first video, you specifically said that the white belt tapped, and the higher belt didn't respect the tap. I think that's what most folks take issue with. It's vastly different to have a talk with your white belt and let them know they shouldn't tap early and encourage them to work vs. having someone tap and basically saying "no, I don't accept your tap".
I really took it as a bit of (and this is really an overstatement, but I don't have a better way to say it) an egotistical mindset "Oh, these poor folks shouldn't be tapping, I know better, and I'll show them when they should really tap". It's as if saying you know them better than they know themselves. Because again, people could be tapping for any variety of reasons. Yes, you should communicate and talk to your training partners, no you shouldn't keep going after they tap.
If someone taps and I haven't really submitted them, I'm still immediately getting off of them. Then I ask them if they are okay. If everything was cool, and they were just tapping early - THEN that might be a good time to talk to them, put them back in the same position and let them understand they have a lot more room to work, but only after the tap has been respected.
'I really took it as a bit of . . . an egotistical mindset "Oh, these poor folks shouldn't be tapping, I know better, and I'll show them when they should really tap".'
I appreciate that you think that this is an overstatement, but I actually see this as the role of a coach/higher belt.
If you're tapping too early, then you're making a mistake. I don't see it as any different from turning the wrong way and getting caught in a submission. You had a chance to change the situation, but you failed to take advantage of that opportunity. I think more experienced grapplers have the duty to impart their wisdom on their training partners.
That doesn't mean that you ignore the tap, but in order for the tap to be respected it must be *worthy* of respect.
The number one thing in training isn't safety, but injury prevention. BJJ isn't safe, we can't practice this craft with safety in mind. However, we can practice it trying to reduce injuries to our training partners. If you're tapping too early, then I really think you should rethink whether or not its worth it being on the mat for you because sooner or later something WILL happen and you WILL get injured. I'd even go further than what Chewy says, if you have to tap early because of an injury, then you shouldn't be on the mat because you're just hurting your recovery. However, I will say there's a difference between "tapping early" and "tapping earlier." Even day to day we don't always have the same tolerances for submissions.
Cheers for the vid brilliant channel
While rolling a guy was in mount and my hand got under his arm with my wrist bent. I tapped right away. That shit hurt. Reset and continue.
Completely agree.
I started BJJ on Sep 21 and at a weight of 390. I am now down to 368 and can tell im improving. However, I hear you talk about “a big guy” being 210-250. Unfortunately, I am not there yet and my core isnt as strong and many moves are hard for me. I was wondering if you could show “big guy” moves that have limited mobility. I feel confident from side control but someone in my closed guard is weak and as soon as they posture my guard is broken.
Just lay on top of them and smother their face
I tap early mainly because as a white belt, I don't know how to get out of certain positions yet. I don't want to waste time struggling and just think it would be more productive to reset.
I have definitely had white belts tap before they are actually caught. Iv also seen them never tap even when they are screwed. Iv never seen a blue belt do it though. I might be wrong but it seems like something people get passed with experience.
I have two herniated discs in my neck, I no longer try to fight out of chokes like I used to. If I do, my neck will kink up for the next two weeks. If you get to my neck, you won
Chewy, people were pissed because not respecting the tap is never ok, and the purple
Belt in question didn’t respect the tap of the white belt. You cannot expect people to fill in the details. You don’t know why your partner taps. And you clarified that here. But you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. No exceptions. Not letting go when your partner taps is assault. Higher belts don’t get any special privileges.
Hi Nick, first of all, AWESOME and GREAT channel!! I was once told off by my MMA coach as my partner (who expressed beforehand that his left shoulder is injured) doesn't want to tap when I put on a shoulder lock, and I went a bit too far and made him sore. Now, in relation to "early tap" subject, in your opinion, was that my fault or was his? Considering he got shoulder injury, shouldn't be trapped early as soon as I got the hold of his shoulder? To be honest, in the heart of the moment I can't even remember that he got an injured shoulder as I'm thinking of my techniques during MMA Sparring. Thanks
Whenever I hear people complaining about early tap, i recommend them to try late tap
i try to not tap super early to anything above the knee. someone goes for a heelhook? i try to defend it but when they get close, tap. ankle lock i can’t get out of? tap. knee bar? tap before they have time to crank it
At my gym everyone always asks their partner if they have any injuries the roll. Makes it really easy.
About the only way to get me to tap quick is to threaten my legs. I'm very protective of my knees which are pretty beat up. I am not interested in going to see a surgeon again. Anything else I'm holding on as long as possible.
Professor Chewy
I have been watching you now for over a year, and I couldn’t be happier with your advise and experience. Thank you 🙏.
Now on to the topic.
I make it a practice to tap asap when my partner, has the submission, I don’t care if they like it or not. That whole thing about “ hey dude why you didn’t let me finish, or your getting your training and I’m not” that is all nonsense. Why you may have asked?
Because if you all think about it, your partner got to that position, and that’s from the roll. So both got to train in that roll. This is why to me, easily 7 out of 10 partners get mad from the early tap, why again? Because the can’t put in that ego box.
So I’ll tap early from white belt, blue, purple, brown, black. It’s my journey not just yours.
I love getting compliments from my coach but I feel like he doesn’t acknowledge me bc I don’t rlly get compliments from him and idk if I wanna quit jiu jitsu bc I feel like I’m not improving without any motivation
I tapped the other day to a brown belt when he went for a blood choke lapel choke that a guy showed me a couple days prior I tapped cuz I knew what was a nut to happen and had no idea to stop it
Always great to hear from Steven Crowder.
What would you say if the coach says that in a manor that we are too soft if we tap when he got you in an arm bar and me feeling my elbow was close to it's limits? I had this situation few weeks ago and i don't understand why anybody should risk elbow, knee or whatever just to hold the tap for two more seconds. And i am pretty new to the sport doing it just because i like learning new things and testing myself. What is your opinion as a experienced coach? I understand if you prepare an athlete for ADCC is one thing and teaching hobiests another.
I had knee surgery last year. Now you can tap me if you look at my leg with the stink eye.
Haha. I've been there before.
Why are people mad over this. Sometimes it's not about misexplaining, it's about being misunderstood.
I think its because a lot of people don't want to be told that they're doing something the wrong way, and there's a lot of watered down jiujitsu out there all in the name of "safety."
While its definitely true that you can't injure your students and make a profit running a gym (and you shouldn't do that), there are a lot of gyms that have taken that to an insane extreme in the name of "safety."
You got to ask yourself, does your coach care about making you better, or collecting your payment. If they're not pushing you through at least some uncomfortable situations, its probably the latter.
My partner's safety is always more important than my ego. If I don't have something on my partner clean, I don't chase bad techniques with strength and risk injuries. Simple rules. I also won't roll with boneheads.
thanks
If you've ever seen Tony Ferguson in Charles Oliveira's armbar, THAT is an example of being too tough for your own good.
I tap really early for shoulder/leg things, just don’t trust my fellow training partners some times. I’ll ride out a choke all day.
How do I get a Chewy Origin Gi
Keep your eyes out for 2022. We'll run another batch then.
Hey guys, I want to start BJJ very soon but can I start before I invest in a Gi? From UK btw
Try to find a 10th planet gym, no gi mostly. You should be able to start without gi in most gyms.
I think not tapping too early is an important lesson to teach someone but ignoring a tap is potentially going to ruin trust. If someone taps they are out, end of.
As a coach you need to find another way of teaching this lesson, maybe a suggestion could be you ease off on the first tap, check in, find out why but then reset to the position they tapped out at and encourage them to try and escape.
Knew this vid was coming 🍿😂
The call him chewie but he is our Obi-wan lol
I thought you were perfectly clear in the last video, to be honest.
Do not pause during the intro. Chewie amalgamations that you can create by chance can be disturbing
Anyhow, man. I am battling myself whether I have enough will to pick up my white belt lessons again after over a year long break. But extend of what I am able to do rn is get up for work. Stuck in a deep hole of whateverness
Hey chew what do you do if your doing the submission in a slow controlled way and they dont tap? I personally dont stop and continue bc its not my arm and imo jiu jitsu is training to break arms. Its their responsibility as a good partner to know their limits and tap when you're doing it correctly. I have been put into spots in competition where people hold out longer than extended locked out arms and the instincts I built from the gym kick in and stop me from going further and really breaking their arm. This was a hurdle I eventually overcame but I feel like when holding back and not going further when YOU think their arm is going to break builds a bad habit for real situations where you cant "pull the trigger" so to say. Its their arm and if I'm controlled and slowly applying pressure, I wont stop adding pressure until the tap, if their ego comes at the cost of their arm so be it. Leave it at the door step and stay humble. Love the vid
This is actually a real phenomenon that I think a lot of people don't want to talk about, because it gets into the darker side of human nature; however, that's not a rational reason to ignore it.
In WWI, which was the first modern war for many countries, there was this widespread hesitation for soldiers to shoot people (especially at long distances). There are recorded accounts of people unloading bullets and "targets" and missing. Was this a matter of not being able to aim? Its unlikely. The truth is that there's a hesitation because in general people don't actually like to intentionally hurt others and they were missing on purpose. So what millitaries started doing is not just creating targets to hit the bullseye, but started making targets that resembled human beings to desensitize the soldiers from shooting people. I think the hesitation that you're experiencing in competition is very similar to this, which is one of the reasons why I'm so against the pretap--and honestly, I'm also kind of against "giving your opponent time" as well.
While I wouldn't go as far as you to say something to the effect of "I don't care its not MY arm," I do lean in that direction, because part of getting better at the sport is going to be learning when to tap and when you can still fight. Generally, I look at it this way, is the person a belt lower than me? If yes, then I care more about not trying to injure them in the submission. If they're the same belt or higher, then I expect--and trust--that they can defend themselves and they don't need me to baby them.
Im three weeks in and tapped like a bitch this week. First week, didnt tap as quick, but messed my back up.
IF YOU BRAKE YOUR TOYS YOU CAN'T PLAY ANYMORE. 😌
Come on chewy we all know you love snapping arms and breaking hearts
Man its like people forget that we are FIGHTING lmao jeez injuries occur all of the time
@Jake Collins its a combat sport and it comes with the territory, it's a fight whether you define it that way or not.
It's kind of rude to pre tap just because your afraid to lose or get put in a sub. Fight the whole way through.
ppl tap out of fear of injury. At least that's what I did in 2 months I went. Not knowing your limits is the reason.
It's kind of rude to just look at the issue from only your point of view. Or plain stupid.
Too rude? Tap early, tap often
@@krzysiekj2522 He said this: "just because your afraid to lose or get put in a sub."
You said this: "ppl tap out of fear of injury. "
Can you explain to me how you two have different "points of view"? It really seems to me that you're saying the same thing. I agree with him. I would honestly be insulted if someone at my gym thought I was going to hurt them, because I never act in a way that indicates that I'm not worthy of trust. I don't see it any different from someone saying that they think you're a thief. I haven't stolen anything. You can't just throw around accusations like that, and if you're tapping too early, then that's what you're actually communicating to your training partner: "I think you'll injure me." How many people have I injured? The answer is 0.
Yes, it is rude to say that you don't trust your training partners. If you don't trust me, then don't roll with me or find another gym.
@@insidetrip101 simple. You might have no intention of causing any harm. And I sure respect that. Never said it is my rolling partner's intention to cause harm. But hear me out:
I have zero athletic background. I train for 2-3 months. When a blue belt I train with tries some of his grapples and submissions, I am already outside of my comfort zone when I tap. It hurts and I do not want him to extend my arm even further- THE WAY I NEVER HAD it extended. I do not know what my body can handle.
Give ppl time. They will grow. For you to consider a premature tap (in your opinion, mind you, for me is exactly perfect time to tap) a disrespect is pure absurd.
You considering it rude of ppl that they tap out of fear of injury. I say you are either stupid or inexperienced 20yo kid who feels the need to power through everyone.
If you feel your partner taps to early- RESPECT THAT. Stop for a second after that. Talk to that person and explain step by step what was happening. Walk him through your thought process and the submission you applied. Once done, ask if you should pick it up where he tapped- most likely will agree.
Just make ppl aware of the move and let them work out little by little what their limits are. With your attitude you will make them abandon training.
That is a field I am not versed in. But let's change a field and hop into some IT stuff you've never done in your life. Should I consider it rude of you if you fail to run some network diagnostics or troubleshoot a blue screen? No. Proper way to handle this is to stop, explain, repeat.
Or did your parents consider it rude of you as you did not know how to use cutlery as a toddler? No. They stopped, explained, repeated until you managed to properly use a freaking spoon.
Food for thought, mate.