Robert Redford's Portrayal In A Bridge Too Far - Did Hollywood Get The History Correct?

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  • @War_And_Truth
    @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +33

    Guys I have been told that the Dutch pronounce it 'Neej-Megan' but its 'Nigh-Megan' in the film. Correct pronunciations are a big challenge for me as I cant hear the word. Apologies if its not correct and it offends anyone from Nijmegen.
    I lived in a town called Wulkuraka (Australia) for a while and I highly doubt anyone other than the people who live there can pronounce it properly. At times on this platform I am told 4 or 5 different ways to pronounce words so its quite subjective in any case. So please don't clog the comments with posts about the pronunciation.

    • @paddydunne774
      @paddydunne774 24 дні тому +7

      You’re doing a great job. Really appreciate it 🤘

    • @JB-mw5rg
      @JB-mw5rg 24 дні тому +2

      No worries mate! Greetings and big thank you from a Dutch Ozzie in Brissy. As a kid I visited lots off the sites in Normandy etc so very interesting for me!

    • @jacquesstrapp3219
      @jacquesstrapp3219 24 дні тому +2

      For future reference, the letter "j" is pronounced like "y" in Dutch and German.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +2

      @@jacquesstrapp3219 I have made a note of that. Thank you.

    • @HollywoodMarine0351
      @HollywoodMarine0351 24 дні тому +2

      @@War_And_Truth include flehm in your pronunciation and you'll sound Dutch. 😅

  • @tmg9295
    @tmg9295 24 дні тому +17

    Hey man you are doing a great job! Do not mind some of those nasty comments. Really appreciate the work you do. I have a funny story about General Jumpin James Gavin. My old man back in the 70s was at West Point and was running late for class. While turning the corner he ran into General Gavin. My old man was a former NCO and Paratrooper, so immediately knew who he was. He apologized profusely and the General Gavin said it was alright. The General knew that he was late for class and said you want to sit down and have a chat I have no place to be. My old man accepted and for the next 40 mins they talked. He got a detailed lesson on Operation Market Garden from him. My old man took out his notebook and wrote everything down. Eventually General Gavin had to leave to meet with someone so my old man ran to his class. When he walked into the class his professor asked him where he had been and my old man responded that he met General Gavin and they talked about Operation Market Garden. The professor just looked at him smiled and said alright cadet teach the class what you learned from General Gavin. So my old man taught the class what General Gavin taught him.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +3

      That's a great story, thanks for sharing (and for the support)

    • @Whitpusmc
      @Whitpusmc 23 дні тому

      I agree, this is great content. I wish folks would let the pronunciation issues go, at least once they understand the reason. I don’t care if a few words are msimangelsd the content is clear as a bell.

  • @tonylittle8634
    @tonylittle8634 24 дні тому +10

    Mate
    Ignore these haters. You’ve been transparent on your voice issue. Excellent video!!! Keep it coming!!💪🏼

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +5

      Thanks mate. I am very lucky I get very few negative comments. For a channel that seeks the truth I don't like making mistakes and the WW2 community is very informed. I will (hopefully) keep improving.

    • @tonylittle8634
      @tonylittle8634 24 дні тому +2

      @@War_And_Truth you’re doing fine. These haters are either trolls or AI. In any discipline there’s always a need for a balance between truth and grace. If someone doesn’t show Grace then it shows a weakness in their character. It takes strength to be kind.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +3

      @@tonylittle8634 I think having a YT channel has taught me that more than anything else.

    • @user-mc4sq3fk5d
      @user-mc4sq3fk5d 24 дні тому

      If you are a Brit could you please tell your content creators to at least try to be objective on the Market Garden topic? A real bunch of keyboard warriors who are angry that the UK is now irrelevant.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +3

      @@user-mc4sq3fk5d I'm Australian so I have no bias. I see the mud get thrown both ways with Market Garden.

  • @Billy_the_Greek
    @Billy_the_Greek 23 дні тому +3

    I met General Gavin's daughter during an 82nd Airborne convention. She was wearing her father's jump wings as a pendant. I asked her what did her father think of Ryan O'Neal's portrayal of him. She replied, "Oh he yelled at O'Neal for not holding his weapon properly!" Such a lovely lady. BTW, i served in the 504th so thank you for covering this epic moment in the regimental history.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  23 дні тому +1

      That's a great story, thanks for sharing.

  • @wjbrooks19
    @wjbrooks19 24 дні тому +4

    I love the 82nd Airborne content. I served in the 82nd 1-325 AIR from 2006-2010. You are doing great things on your channel.

  • @aaronjohn6586
    @aaronjohn6586 24 дні тому +3

    Great video and just shows how the ability to adapt means so much to winning or losing a battle.

  • @lyndoncmp5751
    @lyndoncmp5751 23 дні тому +6

    I wouldn't say the British tankers were reluctant to move on to Arnhem. It simply wasn't their orders. Their orders were to take the bridge and stop the Germans taking it back that night. They couldn't ignore their orders and blindly go off to Arnhem to get annihilated by German fire en route.

    • @John-h7l9e
      @John-h7l9e 21 день тому

      Only three functional tanks crossed the bridge.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 19 днів тому

      ​@@John-h7l9eYep. Two got damaged.

  • @ad-dx9gi
    @ad-dx9gi 24 дні тому +3

    Wow Thanks so much for showing this video 👍... Loved the movie Bridge to far...I remember when it came out . Thanks for the Added Commentary...

  • @mrgnr-smith387
    @mrgnr-smith387 24 дні тому +5

    While participating in the Nijmegen marches I had the opportunity to see where the river crossing happened; it’s stunning. Absolutely incredible to see how far they had to go.
    Bad as the losses were it’s amazing they weren’t worse; says something about their resilience and of course their bravery
    There are a number of flaws with “A Bridge Too Far” movie, just as there are in almost any recounting of history, but despite that I think “Hollywood” definitely got across the desperation of the situation as well as the determination of those involved

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +1

      Thanks for your story, Id love to see it some day. I think they did pretty well with that scene. I just posted a short about the controversary surrounding General Browning in the film.

    • @jacquesstrapp3219
      @jacquesstrapp3219 23 дні тому

      What years did you do Nijmegen? I was there 81 and 82.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  23 дні тому

      @@jacquesstrapp3219 I was there in 94

    • @mrgnr-smith387
      @mrgnr-smith387 23 дні тому

      @@jacquesstrapp3219 I did the marches in 1986 and 1987, I was serving in Germany with the Canadian army in 1 RCHA; great experience and, in a way, humbling

    • @jacquesstrapp3219
      @jacquesstrapp3219 23 дні тому

      @@War_And_Truth Cool. I wonder if it has changed much. It felt like 1944 when we did it in the 80s.

  • @ronaldbyrne3320
    @ronaldbyrne3320 24 дні тому +3

    Don’t mind the detractors, they would look a gift horse in the mouth. Keep up the good work, I am enjoying your content. Pronunciation is subjective and can be cleared up easily if someone finds that a personal bugbear. 💪🏻💪🏻

  • @steverizley2989
    @steverizley2989 24 дні тому +3

    Another great presentation. Thank you. When the film premiered, many of those portrayed in the story were still alive. I wish the digital technology and motivated historians (like yourself) could have recorded more from those brave souls. There are books and oral histories; film and video not so much. We just did a Rhine River tour and cruised by this site two weeks ago. BTW, I have heard Nijmegen pronounced every possible way. Your pronunciation does not interfere with a story well told.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому

      Thanks for that. I went to Holland when I was much younger and couldn't get to Nijmegen or Arnhem which I'm disappointed about now.

  • @johnferguson1455
    @johnferguson1455 23 дні тому +1

    Great presentation, thank you

  • @timalley3906
    @timalley3906 24 дні тому +1

    I love these videos. Keep it up!

  • @Pops1959
    @Pops1959 23 дні тому

    Really good work! I enjoy your channel.

  • @Vatniks_are_clowns
    @Vatniks_are_clowns 22 дні тому

    This is one of the movies that got me into military history as a kid. Sure, sucks to realize that the movie failed at educating about the real battle, but hey, that's what books and well made youtube videos are for, haha. Thanks for the work you do, and im glad i found your channel.

  • @BrianLesliePerry
    @BrianLesliePerry 22 дні тому +2

    Sergeant Peter Robinson DCM did, with three other Sherman Tanks crossed the bridge... his Tank was the first to cross to the Northern side, knocking out two of the dreaded 88mm guns.....did not stop as erroneously portrayed in the film...with the US troops complaining ..... The guard tank division was lead by then Captain Peter Carrington, later Lord Carrington. Foreign Secretary in Margaret Thatchers Government
    In 1957/8 l was Peter Robinsons '''Paper Boy''. At that time l had no idea who he was and what he had done that day.... Years later when the film was released l read in the local paper he had been an advisor in the battle to take the bridge....He was made a Freeman of Nijmegen. he was 84 when he died.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 21 день тому

      Indeed. And their only orders were to take the bridge and stop the Germans taking it back that night. They had no orders to blindly go off to Arnhem that night.

  • @JulezWinnfield
    @JulezWinnfield 23 дні тому

    I served as a young paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne Division in the mid 80's. General James Gavin made 4 combat jumps in WW2 and is still considered a legend in the Division to this day.

    • @lancomedic
      @lancomedic 21 день тому

      Didn’t Gavin break his back during this jump? They don’t mention it in the film but he cries out in pain on the landing.

  • @ashlati4616
    @ashlati4616 23 дні тому +1

    Loved the battle content but did you talk about the movie portrayal?

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  23 дні тому

      There was nothing to really compare with the portrayal. They got this scene pretty much spot on.

  • @John-h7l9e
    @John-h7l9e 21 день тому

    Only three tanks crossed the bridge. They were low on ammunition and had seen an anti tank position beyond the village of Lent. The Americans had only taken the North end of the Railway bridge, not the road bridge. British infantry were still fighting to clear the south end of the railway bridge, they secured it the following morning. The British tankers had to deal with German troops infiltrating behind them. The question here is why wasn’t the bridge taken on day one when it was lightly defended.

  • @Kamalathot-ski-rz5ox
    @Kamalathot-ski-rz5ox 24 дні тому +1

    Not a big Robert Redford fan, like a few of his things, but thought he did a good job in this film.

  • @dusterowner9978
    @dusterowner9978 24 дні тому +1

    No worries Mate

    • @jimoconnor2958
      @jimoconnor2958 23 дні тому

      Heard that phrase alot when cross training with the Aussies. A Co/1/35 25th ID

  • @Sharpe2007Dent
    @Sharpe2007Dent 19 днів тому

    In Holland the train announcement pronounces it 'Noi-meh-gh-en'

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  19 днів тому

      Well they should be right. Thanks for that.

  • @danabschaffer3303
    @danabschaffer3303 24 дні тому +9

    Nice video, but it's pronounced Niye-May-Gen.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому

      I'm told (I'm deaf) that's how they pronounce it in Holland?

    • @HollywoodMarine0351
      @HollywoodMarine0351 24 дні тому +1

      @@War_And_Truth Netherlands. Holland is a region within the Netherlands that consists of the two provinces of North and South Holland.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +2

      @@HollywoodMarine0351 You learn something every day.

    • @danabschaffer3303
      @danabschaffer3303 24 дні тому +1

      I was in the 1st of the 504th PIR in Afghanistan. That's how we pronounced the name of the Nijmegen drop zone on Ft. Bragg. Just going by my own personal knowledge.

    • @joelhall5124
      @joelhall5124 23 дні тому

      ​@@War_And_Truth it's very common that people confuse the two, even those countries bordering Netherlands.

  • @maxbrazil3712
    @maxbrazil3712 24 дні тому

    All of the "soldiers" in this movie were in their late 40's

  • @KOHTAOMURDERSDEATHISLAND
    @KOHTAOMURDERSDEATHISLAND 23 дні тому

    👍👍

  • @richardmardis2492
    @richardmardis2492 23 дні тому

    As we (US Army) said in West Germany, “mox nix”

  • @user-mc4sq3fk5d
    @user-mc4sq3fk5d 24 дні тому +3

    Love the topic and frankly all Market Garden content. You and other American UA-cam creators have been very kind to the UK on this controversial operation and to the British Army in general during WW2. I encourage all your supporters to examine a lot of the Market Garden content coming from Brit UA-cam creators. I guess I won’t name them as you will likely delete my comment. The point is they are not only ungrateful for American airborne assistance but actually blame the US military, namely the 82nd, for the operation’s failure. As if the poor intelligence work done by the British Army regarding Arnhem and of course the Germans had nothing to do with it. Shameful imho.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +2

      I put the failings of Market Garden down to impatience and the reliance of Bridges and roads being clear/intact. Hard to point a finger at any one person or even country.
      In the film, the young British intelligence officer was ignored by General Browning in regards to German strength. I need to look into how much truth there is behind that scene.

    • @user-mc4sq3fk5d
      @user-mc4sq3fk5d 24 дні тому

      Sadly, it is a true story.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 23 дні тому

      What poor intelligence? The intelligence was actually spot on for what the Germans had in the Netherlands at the time. It was the reinforcements that were sent in from Germany in the following days which were not forseen. Those units didn't have any intel about them because they were deep inside Germany prior to Market Garden.
      Market Garden did not fail due to the 82nd. It failed due to the caution of the air commanders Brereton, Williams and Hollinghurst. Even the Germans in a post battle report cited that dispersed drops and over a number of days was the main reason the operation did not succeed.
      Still, Market Garden was actually the fastest allied advance against German opposition in the entire September 1944 to February 1945 period and took nearly 100km of German held ground in just 3 days. Compare that to the Hurtgen Forest and Lorraine campaigns.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 23 дні тому +2

      ​@@War_And_TruthThe aerial recon photos in real life only took pictures of half a dozen or so obsolete tanks of the Hermann Goring training battalion. This unit was in the Eindhoven area when Market Garden began and scattered when attacked by allied planes and was irrelevant in Market Garden. The recon photos were rightly dismissed.
      The film mistakenly makes it look like the recon photos were of front line SS tanks which they were not. Neither of the two SS panzer divisions had any available tanks to send against the paras and in fact the first German tank attack in Market Garden did not occur until late on the second day. These were Panzer IIIs and IVs of Kompanie Mielke. This unit was 200 km away in Bielefield, Germany when the paras dropped on the 17th. It was then entrained from Bielefield to Arnhem through the night of the 17th/18th, arriving late on the 18th.
      Frost's men at the Arnhem bridge knocked out two of its Panzer IVs with 6 pounder anti tank guns and the Germans didn't send tanks against Frost again until Tiger Is of Kompanie Hummel arrived on the 19th. Kompanie Hummel was also in the Bielefield area of Germany when the paras dropped.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 23 дні тому

      What poor intelligence? The intelligence was actually spot on for what the Germans had in the Netherlands at the time. It was the reinforcements that were sent in from Germany in the following days which were not forseen. Those units didn't have any intel about them because they were deep inside Germany prior to Market Garden. Market Garden did not fail due to the 82nd. It failed due to the caution of the air commanders Brereton, Williams and Hollinghurst. Even the Germans in a post battle report cited that dispersed drops and over a number of days was the main reason the operation did not succeed. Still, Market Garden was actually the fastest allied advance against German opposition in the entire September 1944 to February 1945 period and took nearly 100km of German held ground in just 3 days. Compare that to the Hurtgen Forest and Lorraine campaigns.

  • @Tld0026
    @Tld0026 24 дні тому +4

    The way you pronounced Nijmegen makes me think this is AI narrated. If that’s true I have to say it disappoints me a little. I’ve enjoyed this channel and it’s dives into the WW2 506th PIR history.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +7

      I have been told (I'm deaf so I have to use AI) that the Dutch pronounce it Neej-megan.

    • @Tld0026
      @Tld0026 24 дні тому +5

      That explains it. I thought these detailed looks into the WW2 paratroopers couldn’t be the result of AI generated content. Thank you for the explanation and your well crafted content!

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +2

      @@Tld0026 Cheers

    • @billmalec
      @billmalec 24 дні тому

      It's definitely AI.

    • @Gitarzan66
      @Gitarzan66 24 дні тому +3

      @@War_And_Truth I have hearing loss too. I think what you have done here is awesome. I've recommended your channel to anyone who will listen.

  • @angloaust1575
    @angloaust1575 20 днів тому

    Moffatt burris gives a different
    Account about carrington
    Not taking orders from a
    Foreign officer and refused to
    Move on... typical british snobbery!

    • @petersmithm9
      @petersmithm9 17 днів тому

      So you expect an officer with one set of orders to disobey them to follow the orders of another officer of equal rank? According to all the records available burris was not near where the tanks were. Typical american BS. Deflecting from their ignoring the intelligence on the first day that the bridge was lightly guarded so they could go off looking for Germans that weren't even there..

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 3 дні тому

      Burriss flat out lied. He said there was "a whole corps of tanks" (his exact words) just sitting there doing nothing. That was a blatant falsified claim. In fact there were only 5 tanks and 2 of those were damaged. Their orders were to take the bridge and stop the Germans taking it back that night. That was it.
      The "whole corps of tanks" that Burriss lied about were split up and dispersed over 20 miles supporting the 82nd Airborne here there and everywhere. The 82nd were short or reinforcements, as the 325th Glider Infantry Regiment didn't arrive due to the weather so the Guards Armoured Division had to act as support to the 82nd all over the place on the 19th and 20th.
      Of course, had the 82nd taken the Nijmegen bridge on the 17th instead of withdrawing and waiting for the British tanks to arrive on the 19th then the road bridge would have been crossed earlier.

  • @pirsensor1186
    @pirsensor1186 24 дні тому +2

    The 82e airborn fail to take the brigde in the second hours of the landing and because the fail market garden was lost.A handfull of germans was defending the brigde but because the mistake the america's af made the german make a better defeding the waalbrigde thats why the make cross the waal with boats and now the call them hero's becaus the fail of the others.

    • @user-mc4sq3fk5d
      @user-mc4sq3fk5d 24 дні тому

      Is this moron for real? Please tell me you are not a Brit. It sounds like English is not your first language.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 23 дні тому +1

      It was already lost due to the cautious decisions of Brereton, Williams and Hollinghurst.

  • @louiefrancuz3282
    @louiefrancuz3282 23 дні тому

    Montgomery had no real successes after El Alemain.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 23 дні тому +3

      Tunisia, Sicily, Normandy, Netherlands, Scheldt clearing, Battle of the Bulge, northern Germany.
      Montgomery was the most successful Western Allied ground commander of WW2 by some way. He won more battles and took more ground through more countries while facing more quality German opposition than any other Western Allied ground commander in WW2. This is simply historical fact.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 23 дні тому +3

      ​@louiefrancuz3282 I just listed all his major successes after El Alamein.
      Montgomery was C-in-C of all allied ground forces in Normandy, and not only was Paris reached ahead of schedule but his British 2nd Army was 400km ahead of schedule by the start of September 1944 and liberating Brussels Belgium.
      Then Eisenhower took over from Montgomery as C-in-C of all ground forces and the allies stalled and got next to nowhere for the following six months, and were even pushed back into a retreat in the Ardennes. Ironically, Eisenhower sent for Montgomery to take over the US 1st Army in the Ardennes.

    • @remittanceman4685
      @remittanceman4685 21 день тому

      I'm actually not one of Monty's fanboys, (I reckon Slim stands way above him and some of Britain's earlier Field Marshals get a bum rap because they were leading unprepared and under equipped armies faced with overwhelming odds) but Montgomery did win 2nd El Alemein

    • @RoyBennett-dz2cq
      @RoyBennett-dz2cq 21 день тому

      Oh just grow up you fool

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 19 днів тому

      ​@@remittanceman4685You cannot compare Slim to Montgomery. Different enemies, different theatres. Nobody in the British Army changed a situation overnight like Montgomery did. Not even Slim.
      Montgomery was by some way the most successful Western Allied ground commander of WW2.

  • @edlane9882
    @edlane9882 24 дні тому +1

    More like 'Nigh mae gu' according the on line translation. Either way, another worthless post. This was NOT the greatest large unit assault of the war, that was Operation Overlord. This was just another example of the Brits either being unwilling or unable to carry their weight.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +4

      Well you cant compare Operation Overlord to an assault on a bridge. Also I'm not British but I think they more than carried their weight during the Battle of Britain.

    • @joshkarena3058
      @joshkarena3058 24 дні тому +3

      Thank you once again for your research of this part of WWII, I realise some of your reader's did not read your Bio about your hearing impairment but I'm just greatful with your work and research. Continue on please 🙏

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +2

      @@joshkarena3058 Thank you. Yeah I don't use my hearing as an excuse for making errors but I think pronunciations are just difficult in general.

    • @lyndoncmp5751
      @lyndoncmp5751 23 дні тому +1

      The British and their Commonwealth allies carried the western front in the first years of WW2 before the US Army finally arrived at the turn of 1943. Without the British and Commonwealth the European Axis would have controlled the Atlantic, Mediterranean, North Africa and all of Europe and the Americans would never have been able to cross the Atlantic. The British/Commonwealth had more troops, ships and planes facing the European Axis than American up until the second half of 1944. America only took the lead in the last ten months. The British and Commonwealth took the lead for the first five years.

    • @John-h7l9e
      @John-h7l9e 21 день тому

      The 82nd failed to take the bridge on day 1. They only took the railway bridge in the river assault. Initially only two functional tanks made it across the bridge initially. They were joined by a third with only the driver alive and finally Lt Carrington made it across in his tank. All three tanks were low on ammunition and had had a close call when they encountered anti tank guns north of Lent. With Germans infiltrating between them and the bridge they opted to hold the north end of the road bridge. So maybe not quite clear cut. Perhaps you might someday take a visit to Hells Highway and the cemeteries on route and reflect on those men were pulling their weight.

  • @roberthohl2349
    @roberthohl2349 24 дні тому +2

    It drives me nuts how you fail to properly prlnounce the names of people and places . Do some research before you record these videos.

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +1

      Thanks for your wonderful feedback. I will try not to 'wing it' in the future.

    • @mike9338
      @mike9338 24 дні тому +3

      He responded politely to your terrible feedback. Learn to spell properly, and try to use more kindness when you criticize. People will listen more

    • @War_And_Truth
      @War_And_Truth  24 дні тому +2

      @@mike9338 Thanks Mike. It was either hide him from the channel or a politely sarcastic reply.

    • @billmalec
      @billmalec 24 дні тому

      AI doesn't have I.

    • @tonylittle8634
      @tonylittle8634 24 дні тому +3

      He uses voice to text for a valid reason. Have some humanity