I Tried Kibbe Recommendations for 4 Different Body Types (to see if it ACTUALLY makes a difference!)
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- I see a division of opinions in the comments on what my Kibbe body type actually is, so I decided to try the Kibbe recommendations for 4 different image ID's to see if there is actually a drastic difference! Check out if you can determine my image ID based on the different outfits :)
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personally i think you are a gaminish soft natural ! like, a soft natural that is a bit closer to flamboyant gamine, if that makes sense :)
Did your Community tab disappear or is it just me?
Team soft natural 100%
I think Soft Natural styling fits you in a beautiful and elegant way.
So many people use Kibbe, color analysis, style essence etc. as rules instead of tools. They are confused because they think dressing according to these will give you style but style is taking who you are and expressing that to the world around you through the clothing you wear. Even if dresses opposite of best lines or colors if it’s authentic to the person it’ll likely work (there are some exceptions).😊
This is a great way to put it! Use them as a tool and not hard and fast rules. I take these into consideration but still dress outside of my lines and colors.
Soft natural, with boyish/masculine/dramatic styling ! In any way, you look beautiful 🤩
Loved the "boyish/masculine/dramatic styling" part of this comment ❤
@@stylerefinement I know Kibbe does not use pure body types anymore but I think you might be a even closer to a pure natural than a soft natural. And that aligns even closer to your minimal boyish style.
@@PinkFlowersFoeverexactly what i was thinking right now!
@@stylerefinementof course you would
Based on your choices you are with no doubt a natural and in my opinion soft. 👍
I think the soft natural versions look very harmonizing on your body 😊
The outfits with waist emphasis look best on you. So Soft Natural? I think the clothes that are loose or big on you overwhelm your body. For dresses, ankle length or above is more flattering on you.
I think SN. Tied shirt was great. I think the watercolour on the maxi breaks the vertical and makes it suitable for SN. I can see width in your shoulders and curve/flesh in your legs like you said. I don’t see vertical though, which is why I think you feel better showing ankle skin in the flowy trousers.
The dramatic classic blouse was also flowy, so a “natural” version of structure.
However, I’ve kind of given up on figuring out my exact type and just experiment because the system seems very finicky.
I'll swim against the currents here and I'll say I think you got it right since the beginning. Vertical is having literal elongation (being tall) or having a prolonged straight line through the body, which is why short people aren't automatically disqualified from vertical-dominant IDs. It's clearly not too common but it can happen and I think you might be the perfect example of that! I also think width appears to be very clear on you.
Besides all of that, the common problem with Kibbe's system and its discourse on youtube/tiktok is that people tend to reduce it to body parts and to trying the outdated clothing recommendations that were made for the 80s when it's pretty much an essence-based system too. Flamboyant Gamines have a playful sassiness to them that doesn't match the laid-back straight-to-the-point vibe that we see on your videos (and the same goes with Soft Naturals and their sensual girl-next-door type of beauty they emanate). I think that you match better with FN in most aspects and not only with the way clothes look on you
Also for anyone who might see this (if someone does lol): Putting belts or emphasizing our waist is not something reserved to yin types, every type can do it and every type can look great with it
100% this!
Can I like this twice?! 9/10 people look "better" with a little waist definition, so that can't define the body type. I'm an enthusiast, not an expert, but I definitely think you got it right the first time. I also think it's *wild* that anyone would describe you as fleshy. I think you have a moderately blunt, athletic build, but perhaps the perception of athletic figure has become really skewed by IG and the like.
I agree 💯. She's an FN in my eyes. As am I, I think. Now I'm regretting all the structure coats I bought recently 😭😭😭
I wish that we could have seen all of the outfits with your face included. That being said, I really think that natural family vibed with you while the DC and FG looked incongruent with your frame especially that cropped jacket. Donate that puppy now! I liked a little bit of oversizedness. I think your instincts were correct. You could do another video pairing FN and SN and show your face. Then we can say for sure.
Although the others look fine; I think the slight waist emphasis in the soft natural silhouette is very flattering.
I agree.
You seem to have good intuition about what looks good on you. I’ve never really had that intuition for myself. That is why knowing my kibbe is valuable to me, because now I don’t wear things that look awkward, nor buy things I’ll never wear.
Tying the shirt at the waist and the belted waist are great on FN as well as SN because neither are severe at the waist. I'm an FN and wear both.
I definitely think you were right the first time. I have never thought you could be anything other than a natural. I see a lot of bluntness , some width and I do see length . I think the gamine dress looked very disharmonious on you due to the narrowness , the short length and the narrow straps , it just made your shoulders look even wider and stronger and it looked very off , the stripe crop top and narrow trousers looked off on you but the same outfit with width looked fine . I think you would look great in fn or sn lines . Maybe go to a shop and try a cowl neck / draped neckline top and see if that resonates with your body?. Taking in all the details and rules in mind I'm most like an SG on paper but I don't actually look good in SG lines I just look disharmonious and silly but the TR lines look perfect on me and the details resonate well. At the end of the day it's an holistic approach not a rule book . It's not about what looks good on paper but what actually looks good on you ,It's about how we can look our best , what the best lines are for us , it's not about trying to squeeze ourselves into a cookie cutter shape it's about what looks harmonious on our body and what makes our body shine . With the details on paper most people seem to forget that
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I like the Soft Natural styles on you the best. Although you do look adorable in some of the FG, you seem much more comfortable in the SN. Great video❤
The tied shirt looks the best in my opinion. The blazer is too long and over-sized.
The long dress: I like it with the belt. But the white dress was my favorite.
The shirts: the last one. I love stripes!
I liked soft natural the most.
Maybe the problem is the theory itself. If we don't fit in the categories (I don't), what's the point of the theory?
I don't, either. Tall and wide (big bones) but curvy. My shoulders are not dominant and yet I am wide and 6' tall, with an hourglass shape
I totally agree. I really don't fit any of these categories. Why try and squish ourselves into these groups? I do feel that most people can learn what really works for them without kibbe.
@@isabelaisme6979 try ellie Jean royden. Her system is simplified and you would fit tall + wide + rounded
True I find the body matrix by ellie roydan jean much more helpful. It takes the aesthetics/vibes out of it, makes it very clear and all encompassing IMO
I haven't visited your channel for a long time. You look so cool! Fresher, brighter, younger!
Welcome back!❤
I like definitely the waist definition on you. I’m going with soft natural first and then flamboyant classic. You look great in almost all of the outfits imo.
Honestly, my favorite look is 15:18 (right one, with blue jeans). The heaviness of the the jeans is nicely balanced by the tight top. Not only it looks beautiful on your frame, it also gives relaxed but slightly rebelious vibes. I'm biased though, bc I opt for similar silhouettes myself, and my build is pretty much like yours, even the same height. To exaggerated the proportions even more I like to put on even wider pants and a top that shows stomach a little.
Tight top + loose bottoms has been a combo I've been leaning into a lot these days ❤
My vote goes to Soft Natural!
As you mentioned, you like certain elements of FG or different ID’s. That’s totally normal and good! Use them. Not everyone will only stick to suggestions from their type. I’m a SG and I hate certain high necklines on myself unless my shoulders are exposed, similar to you. I also love taking elements from FN such as elongation where I can, depending on texture and balance with the rest of the outfit, because I have a slightly ethereal essence which feels at home in something flowy. I can’t do cropped, short lines all the time everywhere and that’s okay. We do what we like and tailor or adjust it to suit our personal style and still flatter our frame!
Don't forget FG is OPPOSITES. Skinny top with baggy pants, which I think looks great on you. Loose top with skinny skirt or leggings. I think you are FG. That black dress with the cutouts was great. Look at all the possibilities that are there for you under that category. The cropped jacket was perfect, but didn't work with that long skirt. Try it with a short skirt. You are cute! Embrace that. Try pulling your hair up. And please do include color and pattern if you do another similar video in the future.
I think you can rule out FG & DC. I see a Natural and I'm leaning FN. I know you don't have automatic vertical from your height and also that Kibbe doesn't consider your face anymore however, I think the length of your face is also hinting at the elongation in your bone structure
honestly I thunk considering face does make sense but nowadays is unreliable due to filters and plastic surgery so he stopped it
@@elizabethroa6970 he only considers face in in person appointments I believe ❤
Hi Jenn, you are absolutely right when you say you are frame dominant.
You are not curve dominant at all, so SN ist not an option. The reason you receive so much positive feedback for SN in the comment section IMHO is the fact that a belt for example is breaking up your silhouette when wearing a dress that is either too long or wide for your body type. The positive feedback is not because you need waist emphasis or look better with waist emphasis as a general rule, but because the vertical line is broken up - something that suits you much better as a flamboyant gamine. Also using a belt, as with dress no. 2, helps to shorten the dress a bit so your ankles show, which is very good for gamines in general - another reason why a belt seemingly helps to make the dress work a bit better for you - but it's not the waist emphasis itself.
Take the first dress: The reason I think you receive feedback that the SN looks good ist that you have a colour block of light and dark colours which breaks up your body's silhouette into shorter lines - and that is what you need as a flamboyant gamine: shorter lines to be in harmony with your shorter vertical line and the overall shorter lines of your body - again, it is not about waist emphasis.
Here are my thoughts on why you are neither FN, DC, nor SN:
FN: IMO you don`t have the necessary vertical nor the necessary width. Your width is appropriate for flamboyant gamine who do have some width and musculature and which you point out you have. Also you seem to drown in anything too long, wide and loose. A wide and long blazer or a long and loose shirt or floor-length pants do not go well with your shorter lines IMO. So they make you seem more petite than you are.
DC: IMO your lines are not moderate enough: your lines are a mixture of ying and yang, of opposites, and you seem more petite than a classic.
SN: IMO you don't have vertical, you are not curve dominant, and waist emphasis doesn't really do much for you. Having larger hands, wrists and feet for example is not automatically a sign for being natural as flamboyant gamines can also have larger hands, wrist and feet. Having some flesh on your body also doesn`t automatically mean you are a soft natural. Flamboyant gamines can have some flesh as well.
So, it is not waist emphasis that you need. Your body consists of shorter lines because of which you look great in a broken up silhouette consisting of shorter lines and colour blocking. Equally important is a certain narrowness to your lines.
You look good in garments that have some structure, such as dress no3, which is great because it is short, has colour blocking and some geometrical lines, which you can pull off. It is the opposite of what a SN would look good in: longer vertical line, waist emphasis, flowy fabrices, draping, etc.
Now dress no4 is also a good option for your lines: short, sharper due to the cut outs that break up the lines. The shoulder straps could be broader and the fabric a bit stiffer but all in all it is a good choice for FG.
As a negative example you mention the 60s A-line flowy dress that you feel uncomfortable in (you show a picture). I agree because that is IMO probably more of a soft gamine dress and quite loose and flowy - it is not ideal for a flamboyant gamine whose lines need a more narrow silhouette and sharpness. It also comes across rather girly which due to the more dramatic undercurrent in FG does not quite feel right.. So in a way you are confirming here that you are not a soft gamine.
As for the pants IMO you are completely drowning in the floor-length quite unconstructed linen trousers which would be perfect for a FN. The fact that they look better rolled up confirms that you are gamine. The more structured and shorter black pants look better. Here you mention that you like the white shirt with the black pants pointing out that you like the waist emphasis. Again, what makes this work is not that you add waist emphasis, but that you colour block which breaks up your lines - and you play with proportions skilfully.
The reason that the wider white long-sleeve blouse works although quite loose IMO is that the sleeves are brought in at wrists, which again is great for gamines. The black and white shirt is spot on together with the black pants: you have a narrow silhouette, short lines, colour blocking, sharpness - it's perfect IMO.
Finally a few random thoughts: just because you are gamine doesn`t mean you need to wear a lot of colours or patterns or only high necklines. You love the natural aesthetic and that is fine! You can pull of v-necks as long as you break up your lines, you can stay away from patterns and bring in interest by colour blocking. Don't get hang up by cliche pictures of gamines. You can look super relaxed and sophisticated and edgy bringing in the natural style aesthetic while still staying withing your own lines. It just takes some practice. Aly Art has great videos on flamboyant gamines, if you were curious.
Loved your video, and have fun on your journey to discover your lines, Jen. ❤
Exactly. All of this.
@@cwednesdayIn another comment Jen reacts very positively to someone describing her style as masculine, boyish and dramatic - which is so fitting for FG who can pull off all the above because of their frame dominant and flamboyant lines. 😊
This!
As a fellow gamine I really feel the struggle finding your type. Especially if you’re not the most stereotypical one. The combination of opposites can present in so many different ways.
I really do see FG in you in all the outfits you try on. The oversized silhouettes create a cute vibe rather than harmonious which is the gamine element affecting the look.
@@margaritaeklund7234 Exactly. If you wanted to look petite, wear something looser/longer as it gives you a more childlike appearance. If you wanted to bring out a more mature look, stay within your own lines.
It is contraintuitive: we think wearing the lines of a body type we would like to emphasis in our look makes us look more that type in appearance but often it has the opposite effect.
Someone very angular who would like to emphasis their femininity and wears very soft and flowy clothes only emphasizes the angularity that they wanted to soften with soft lines. That doesn't work as all is relative, same as red looks more red next to green.
We can all archieve any style aesthetics within our own lines no matter what body type we might be. We just need to understand our lines and what we need to accomplish looking feminine or boyish or cute or commanding within our lines. And that is sightly different for all types.
It is not just copypasting another body type's lines, but understanding what brings out each aesthetic within our lines.
We are all so unique - there are so many ways an aesthetic can be interpreted by each body type and that is what makes this so interesting IMO.
Soft natural in every case! Also, waist emphasis looks really good on you.
Comparing yourself with people within your own demographics, if possible, is so important. To me, your body looks so narrow and delicate because I was comparing you with myself. Great job on this video as usual! I've been anxiously waiting for you to tackle this, thank you!
I actually fell out of love for color analysis and body shape. But in your case, I believe the DC was the best look, but again, this would be highly influenced by my personal taste.
Hi Jenn! You should look into the Japanese Skeletal Type System. I think you are the textbook example of a Straight type. Coincidentally, a lot of your style preferences follow the recommandations for this type. I like the flexibility the system gives towards choosing your own aesthetic, but adapting it to your morphology.
EDIT: Nevermind, I just remembered you have a video on the topic. :P
As for this video, I (still) think you are a Flamboyant Natural. Structure contradicts your beauty, because your body lines and face lines are of the more open, stronger, blunter type. (And while I love contrast between personal features and clothing, Kibbe isn't about that.) So I don't see FG and DC lines are your best in the Kibbe sense. The outfits are made of pieces that already suit you, so nothing is bad and some outfit are very cute, but you shine more in FN lines (again in the Kibbe sense).
This brings me to my second part of my analysis: all the SN outfits you have shown are more suitable for FN types than for SN types.
SN Outfit # 1: Even with the shirt tied around the waist, because it is still open, we see most of the narrow calf lenght dress whick still emphasizes your vertical. You don't to have a unbroken silhouette from neck to ankles to emphasis it. And because the black of the shirt is contrasting on the sides with the white of the dress, the dress looks even narrower and thus longer. And the way you tied up the shirt barely emphasis the waist, and it isn't enough even by SN standards.
SN Outfit # 2: The belt separates the outfit 1:2 with the bottom part being longer. As in your video about youthful and mature faces, the fact that the bottom part that is longer tricks our eyes to make it seems the silouette is longer. Also, the watercolor motif at the bottom of the dress both brings the eye higher (by value contrast) and lower (still by value contrast as the blue is paler that the brown/grey part) and thus lenghten your silhouette. And (same problem as with SN outfit # 1) the belt is too thin (or too barely visible) and too loosely buckled to bring much waist emphasis or break the vertical significantly.
Overall, for the pants outfits: Again, long solid-coloured high-waisted pants gives vertical to your outfits automatically. The pin tuck details and the straight fit of your dark blue pants contribute to this effect, and the slightly contracting sideseams of your jeans do too. And when you tuck your t-shirt in, it is the same effect as for tying your shirt or belting your dress from the same exact reason: it is done too loosely even by SN standards. (The white pants with the tigher waistband had potential though.) (Sorry if I get any detail wrong, I wasn't the most attentive during the latter part of the video.)
Moreover combined with all of these details, the fabric of the clothing you use is not soft enough for a SN type. Or at least, not soft enough to outdo the other factors.
Some FNs like their outfit to have less looseness and more waist emphasis than others, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are not dressing in their lines.
Anyway, love your videos as always; they make me think a lot (productively) about my style. I'm over Kibbe now for my own style, but I love your brain too much to pass on the video.
PS: English is not my first language.
I think natural lines complement you the best either way, but I think you suit FN best over SN actually. Also vibe-wise, so to say. The unconstructedness, longer lines and relaxedness of the clothes suits you (and of course even for FN's there's a point clothes get too loose haha).
I think what you mention about focusing on what lines and elements suit you best, instead of types and rules, is indeed more helpful. (I mean, Kibbe has changed when (slight?) vertical happens to a shorter length, I believe that was around 2020, and now I suddenly can't be FG anymore, which really does suit my sharp, small/narrow and mixed length lines best. So I just go off these lines and tap into systems like McJimsey and Kitchener, leaning quite heavily into personality and preference/joy as well).
I think that style has a big element of personality and preference anyways and if someone's style suits those two, I personally almost always like it (even when it's not for me).
So strangely, I agreed that you would fit the Soft Natural profile but OVERALL it made you look doubty. The flamboyant gamine actually made your body look sporty, compact yet fitted. The flamboyant gamine actually elongated your frame and made you look taller and slimmer. The other styles overwhelmed your frame with material. The discerning factor in my analysis appears to weigh heavily on height. I have your same body type and I'm 5'10". I can pull off all those soft natural looks without it overwhelming my frame and if I try flamboyant gamine clothes (I have a short torso and broad shoulders with long legs) it will just look too structured or unproportionate to my height. So my vote is on flamboyant gamine. This style brought the eye upwards whereas the natural styles brought the eye downwards... this is not something that would occur on my body type.
Another interesting point is that sometimes we try to convince ourselves (and others) what we want rather than what actually is or what we need. I have tried wearing gamine style clothes because I find the style cute and love it, but no matter how hard I try there's just something off. Like the really cute outfit you had on with the striped shirt and red shoes, if I tried that my height and rounder circumference would really throw off my lines if you were looking at me from the side of my body and would widen the front side of my body. Even though I have a short torso and short lines in my upper body that outfit emphasizes it. Just as the natural styles emphasize your gamine qualities in a disjointed way (like the long dress cut you off at your ankles and arms making you appear stout, the wide leg pants and baggy shirt swallowed you up and appeared you were wearing clothes that were too big for you). I felt you were trying to convince me you were a natural type when I was seeing something different.
Just to drive my point further, Jennifer Aniston is a soft natural type and she is able to pull off the soft natural styles because it is in proportion to her vertical appearance (how her lengthy-ness appears to the eye). Maybe try a video wearing what she wears (but I believe she also wears gamine styles as well).
Interesting points indeed! I agree that I myself am convinced that I'm not a Flamboyant Gamine and the notion comes from a similar experience as yours - I personally think Gamine styles are so cute and interesting ❤ I just feel more at ease with Natural styles. In the end it may just be how I view myself as it is often the most difficult to be objective about our own bodies ☺
@@stylerefinement I know that you primarily compare yourself to your mom and friends body type leading you to believe that you don't really classify as petite and tend to be more on the yang or natural end of the spectrum but have you ever tried comparing yourself to a natural type of the proportionate type? Is at this because if I stood next to you and we both wore a similar outfit of the natural type category, my broadness and yang qualities would really contrast you hard.
Also, even though I'm 5'10" Soft Natural I still sometimes have to buy petite size clothing and then just size up because I have to fit my short torso. Maybe there might be something there with short torso and long legs. The long maxi dress emphasized your shortness whereas the gamine black dress emphasized your long legs and petite torso (not petite compared to delicate petite types but petite compared to your overall proportion as it appears to the eye).
This is an outstanding comment!
@@grumpyschnauzerthis is what i would suggest as well: grab pictures of any FN person you can find on the internet and do a direct comparison of proportions. that's what I've done too, when trying to figure out my Kibbe ID (i compared myself to Jennifer Lawrence, who's, for all I know, a curvy FN).
Agree.
Hm, this is actually not that easy. But my observations: Your shoulders do look dominant, your hips definitely don't. Also Kibbe curve is only about your bust, not your hips. Your bust has to create a curved out shape in combination with fabric falling down and over it.
Width is about your shoulders, mainly, also has nothing to do with your hips. It is more about how a garment has to be constructed in order to not only fit you correctly, but also look right on you. That's why it's called "accomodations".
I didn't dislike that last dress on you, but felt like it looked unbalanced and wanted to add some length to it. The bodice of it, I really loved, BUT I do like emphasized strong shoulders which has nothing to do with Kibbe's recommendations. He would probably tell you that the straps are way too delicate for you and you should not wear it. I actually felt like that dress made you look wider than you are AND shortened your vertical line. But I really love the style of it and if I was you, I would happily wear it, honestly. Because even if it isn't perfect for you, it still looks really cool and badass. And that also has nothing to do with how Kibbe's system works.
I did stray away from using that system more and more, especially because I don't always wanna look the most polished and feminine (which is what the goal of all this actually is), I like tomboy-ish and androgynous looks, I like edgy looks, I like eclectic styles, I LOVE combining oddities. None of that would work out if I was to really stick to Kibbe's recommendations. But I did learn heaps from his system and that actually helped me to create all those visual effects with clothes that I love so much. So do I think his system is bad? No, not at all, it's a tool that can be incredibly helpful in order to create the EXACT image you want to achieve. But that's me having a very eclectic personality, I don't know how other people think about this, really (I'd like to hear the thoughts of your subscribers though, and yours if you happen to read this and find the time for it).
Honestly I really liked that light dress you wore in the very beginning and loved it the most when you wore it just on its own. The black tops kind of created a broken line and also too much contrast. I think that makes it hard to decide which silhouette/shape works best for you.
I personally love your style for you, your hair also adds a lot to it. You got such a beautiful and very special and interesting face too, that alone dominates your style or let's better call it "the visual effect of your style". I like what you do, I don't think there's a need for you to overcomplicate things and try to find your actual Kibbe image ID. But I know how it can feel if you REALLY wanna figure something out, I went through this too and am constantly finding other topics/systems that make me feel this way. Well... I guess I just like to push myself through and figure things out xD Maybe you're like that as well.
I just wanna let you know that you are truly beautiful and already got such a cool style and sense of style. I don't care whatever system tells you whatever you should wear - that's just my perception and personal opinion.
By the way, you give off strong, determined, independant and maybe even slightly intimidating vibes - which is absolutely not what a Soft Natural would "feel" like. But that could as well be part of your Kitchener essence blend. To me you don't appear soft and cute. You come across like a person one should take very seriously and a person one can rely on. That's the vibe I get from you at least. To me you also definitely don't come across like any type of Gamine. Their energy is different than yours. So if we got a close call, it would be between Dramatic Classic and Flamboyant Natural and yes, you can sit kind of in between the two. None of us fits perfectly in one box, or let's say MOST of us don't.
I also used to think I might be FN and I was almost certain about this. Then I analysed my images with some more information on my mind and figured that I actually don't have width (or at least not enough to be FN), I also don't give off the FN vibe at all. I give off classic vibes. When I analysed my face, I felt like it would fit perfectly in the SC category, but my body doesn't. My body is more like that of a DC. But I don't look bad in any type of classic silhouette. I do think the fact that some recommendations for hair and make up can look CUTE and create a very sympathetic image, is what made me think that I could be a Natural. Because I do love that effect for myself. That broken up balance you can create on any classic with a slightly tousled and layered hairstyle. But as I said, I am not about creating "the most feminine, most polished" look on myself. When my mom said, the one celebrity she would say looked most like me when she was young, was Grace Kelly, and explained that she doesn't mean, I look exactly like her, but come across like her and have similar balance in my face, it clicked for me even more. And when she said that my type of elegance was different than that of Audrey Hepburn, I was like "Does my mom really just see all these things without knowing ANYTHING about Kibbe's system?!", also the "You're neither wide nor very delicate, but narrow and a bit square-ish because of your straight shoulders", comment really hit me.
So maybe you know someone who has a great eye for proportions and shapes and you can ask them about it.
Thank you for this thoughtful comment! It's funny to me that you mentioned how I come across as somewhat intimidating, bc I actually get that a lot in person (before people get to know me I guess lol). It's so interesting how these impressions come across in similar ways even on this platform 😝 You're right about me being the type that needs to get to the bottom of things once curiosity is sparked haha! I also totally resonate with the "I don't always wanna be the most feminine and polished " as well - I think there can be more edge and interest created when we add our personal flair ❤
@@stylerefinement Since you're saying this, I should mention that you were the one that actually made me understand how the logic behind "your three style words" works. I somehow could not grasp it at all when watching other people's videos. But yours made it very easy to understand and I really resonated with your style words, maybe that's what made it click for me.
Your comment is definitely the most accurate I’ve seen in the entire comment section.
Honestly, when I first found out about the body types and tried to place myself in that system, I thought I knew what I was. Then I took a test, which gave me a different result, which I accepted at first, but something didn't feel quite right. I took the test again and got yet another result, which made no sense to me at all and just confused me even more than I already was. In the end I just decided to go with my initial placement, because when I wear those lines it looks great on me, even though I had never worn them before (although I had wanted to, just didn't think it would suit me). I don't fit into my category 100% by means of the criteria, but when I wear those lines it just makes me look amazing. Same as with the color analysis, when I found my best color I just thought "wow!", because it looks so good on me.
Basically, all of this is a good baseline to get an idea of what might suit you, but in the end you just need to see what really makes you pop and feel good as well. Everything else is just too confusing and you'll end up going around in circles making yourself crazy.
Kibbe is so confusing to the point that I’ve kinda given up. I draw from Soft Dramatic, Flamboyant Natural, and Soft Natural silhouettes because those are the lines I’m most drawn to anyway. Beyond that, I’ve stopped stressing over it.
The black dress in a maxi length would be 🤩🤩
I thought that the FN lines looked good until I saw the SN lines-every single time, I went ‘woah!’ The soft waist emphasis looks amazing. Cropping of FG looked more awkward to me (I’m a FG), and I thought it could look childish if done wrong. DC looked ‘fine’, just as you said, but a bit too stiff, and I felt like you looked restricted. If I had to rank, I’d go SN>FN>>DC/FG. But this was so interesting! I didn’t think I would have such a clear reaction.
FG all the way to me Jenn ✨you absolutely lean towards yang but although strong you also look petite. You have that boyish vibe.
You rock color blocks, narrow fitted shorter lines, and higher neckline cuts look better, not those N loose lines, but I'm no pro so..
Spot on, completely agree.
Definitely SN! 😊
Also, for classics, they don't actually look plain at all when they wear their lines, so it's an indicator that you are in fact not DC.
For outfit 1, I'd say soft natural looks the most harmonious on you. The flamboyant gamine option also isn't bad, however I think I'd would be better with a shorter dress/ skirt😊
Okay, after the dress round I'm even more set on SN
Personally I let go of all those color analysis, Kibbe body type and essence videos as they are so overwhelming and confusing for no reason. I have said it before and I will say it again : go in front of your mirror and try on different colors and styles. We let “ experts “ determine what looks good on us when our own eyes should guide us.
Agreed. All the Kibbe and Kitchener types that I could possibly be just don’t work for me at all. I know what looks best on myself.
The Kibbe system (and the notion that there is only one authority on the right answer) strikes me as unusable. MY body does not conform to any of the types that are described. And having lived in my body for more than 60 years, I know that even if someone else calls me a "gamine natural," or whatever, it won't change what actually works with both my body and my preferences.
It helps if you feel comfortable in what you wear, right? She feels best in the loose clothes, so maybe that’s her style!
yeah but tacky people exist. not everyone is good at determining what looks good on them. thats why stylists exist. also kibbe body type can help people with acepting themselves, instead of comparing themselves to other body types and felling too x y and z
They are highly influenced by culture too. What looks good on someone, somewhere, is because that's a trait is coven in that location . Plus, look at pictures of Kibby and his wife online.
Soft natural
Soft - some waist emphasis seems to be very flattering
Natural- loose and relaxed fits are also very flattering. I dont know how well I understand natural style guidelines however so take my words with a pinch of salt 😊 you look lovely
I liked all of the SN lines and some of the FG lines rocked too. The short blazer and ribbed dress combo+ the striped shirt and black pants looked amazing!
Head size plays an important role in figuring out one’s type, when trying on clothes, always look at the head size along with limbs and torso. I think you’re a FG. It’s just a bit hard to confirm since your head isn’t included in the outfit demonstration. Your arms are long but your legs aren’t, so the length I see is only in your arms, not your whole body, which is why I say FG
I liked the Soft Natural lines. I would say you are frame led with some softness. I don't think you are a gamine at all. There's nothing staccato about you, like you mentioned the long lines in your face. In my Kibbe journey I was hopeful I could feel confident in typing myself but I simply narrowed it down and all the clothing guidelines of those id's were similar enough and said here's a starting point. Then I started thinking about my daily life - I like cropped styles on me but I don't like cold ankles in the winter and when the mosquitoes are out I want full length pants. Sorry style is not worth 100 bites on my ankles. So I keep both lengths in my closet. I think my biggest take away from Kibbe was fabric. I think if you choose the right fabric for your body type you can get away with a lot of cuts that are "against your lines." Second biggest take away from Kibbe, is to learn how to see yourself objectively. It's infused at a young age to have hang ups about our looks and I didn't really start to unpack that until I started looking into Kibbe.
I think your soft natural instinct is 100% on point! ☀️
I know you didn’t really LIKE the FG pieces you tried for this video, but I don’t think there was a good enough selection here to actually rule it out. The pieces you used were just not really that great. Gamine basically means boyish… and you do have a very fit, small, boyish kind of vibe going on. When you wear the natural lines, you are comfortable in that and therefore you like it more… it is minimal and unfussy and comfortable so again that suits what you are into.. but it looks sloppy. The key with naturals is that they don’t look sloppy even in sloppy clothes, and look overdone in dressier things, but the natural lines really made you disappear. The best outfit on you was the striped t-shirt and the more fitted jeans with the red shoes. It sucked you in as opposed to making it look like you were under a tent, the natural lines made you look very masculine comparatively. You’re also below average height with very fleshy legs, as others have said and as you said in this video… whereas FN are a dryer, leaner body type than yours and the tallest of all of the kibbe types so that just does not make sense. You are only “long” compared to other short people. So start with gamine first and then add some flamboyant and there you go. This system is basically impossible, I really sympathize with you trying to make videos about it. Edit: I think you have a significant amount of Kitchener natural essence, on top of being a FG. So that confuses things.
You might wanna check out Dwyn Larson`s style types - her system takes into account, that body proportions are incomplete without facial characteristics That`s how many more subtypes can be found in a more detailed and accurate way than KIbbe. Regarding the latter, I would have typed you a Soft Natural - but flamboyant gamine speaks to your rebellious side and angular body shape with rather sporty, small proportions. Your face on the other hand, gives off elongated, thus dramatic, and blunt, thus natural sides. Love your content!!! :)
On an unrelated note, I really like the red you added to your hair!
My 2nd outfit thoughts: Oh interesting… I like it better with the belt! Without it, I cannot make out your lower frame, I’m overwhelmed by the wall of white, and the watercolor somehow seems muddied. But I love your shape with the belt and the watercolor looks lovely. Maybe it’s off bc you tend to cut your head off when showing the side by side?
I think the clothes you like to wear actually work well for FG, which I think you are. The outfits here were good ideas but not sure voting between them gives the answer. Fun video!
Dramatic Classic gives off sort of "too stiff" vibe on you, FG lines gives rebel/unexpected, which gives off fresh and fun vibe, without clashing with you in terms of "mature" features, as you give off creativity and passion as you speak and move. Both FN and SN look great, you are soo ... natural and cohesive in them, whilst FN is a "power"/"natural drama" (oversize does have a bit of rebellness in it) choice, SN is more of "balance"/"harmony" vibes.
Definitely Flamboyant Gamine, it makes you look taller and all the other ones seem kind of heavy on you.
What I see is that you look best when there's a break in the waist area. The long A-silhouette dress makes you look childish which does not happen to flamboyant natural types. But with the belt your body immediately look more balanced.
Agreed about the soft natural but flamboyant gamine - I think - could work with your face very well. You see, your facial features are not that soft, for example a sharp cat-eye looks amazing on you which means that your face is not very soft. So FG with its small V-necks, crop-tops and bright color accents could work well as well.
Soft natural first and Flamboyant gamine second. I really liked the long ombré dress with the belt, but I understand the flow for a hot summer day.
Soft natural for sure!!! Ive been into Kibbe a long time and am positive youre an SN!
in my eyes you’re a pure natural!
Jenn!
That process was SO Enjoyable!
Thank you for your efforts.
Put my vote into the soft natural zone.
I also now think you are much softer than you are seeing.
( I am Natural, right in middle in Kibbe, and spring colour. You are more balanced through your bottom half than I).
I liked the additional belt on the long dress.
Would like to see another longer underlayer under the crop jacket, may make it work?
I also think all systems need to be repurposed for different ethnicities.
Heights and shapes and colouring etc inherently different right across the planet.
Have fun with your rebranding and wish you the very best!
I was totally thinking the natural overwehlmed your frame and the flamboyant gamine looked a lot better on you with just seeing your body. However when you add your head to the mix I thought, for sure soft natural is way more fitting. Congrats you figure it out. Waist definition and shorter trousers for sure make you shine.
When you show your face, you are right, dramatic natural suddenly looks a lot better. You are right about the vertical lines in your face, too! You are very lucid and a very good judge of your style!
Flamboyant natural
I am convinced you're a soft natural. All of the ones in that category looked so good on you (although you looked great in all) but the SN was the most fitting IMO.
Thank you for being yourself and being natural and loving!
The fourth style for me fits you the most, I liked the most when you accentuates your waist, with fluid fabric on the upper part of the body and a defined waist, you can use a fluid skirt, pants or dress on the bottom too, it looks nice. I think you are soft natural so rigidity, excessive ornamentation, won't go well together. Ancient greek outfits are a very good inspiration for your looks.
Makes sense since resort wear is where my inspirations mostly come from during summer ❤
I would say that you look a lot like me and the way that you describe your pants fitting, your shoulders, your flesh/bone ratio... I feel like my kibbe body type is flamboyant gamine personnally, but I don't follow every recommendation because they give a certain vibe or style that I don't completely like. I feel like sometimes it always complements my silhouette, but it can make my look more childish or all over the place even though it fits my proportions. Every flamboyant natural recommendations looked really good on you and I think it is simply more fitting with your vibe, how you present yourself, etc. I think you do a great job of adapting some of this natural vibes or recommendations to fit your proportions, so it makes sense on you. I feel like it is a bit like your color series : sometimes you can adapt another color palette to you if it fits your personnality or your personnal expression. To me, it seems like we have the same body type (favouring and avoiding the same main guidelines), yet we don't prefer the same options in this video. I think it is a good thing because, at the end of the day, we may have the same body type, but we have our own body knowledge, style, expressions, personnality... so we should not dress the same. I must say your choices and your style may not fit mine, but it actually looks good on you and I don't think I could pull it off like you do. To me, it means that Kibbe body types are guidelines, but they do not explain everything about how clothes fit on our bodies. Love your videos
Soft natural looks so great on you!
This is such a good idea for a video though I will admit I would find it easier to cast a vote if your face was in the side by sides too. I think head size and hairstyle gives more context too, just my personal opinion but you're stunning in so many things!
As you said you've learned what works. Trust your instincts ❤🎉
lol this video is just proving to ME that kibbe/body type styling can only do so much and the majority of "looking good" is personal taste. I'm jumping across all 4 categories and just landing on whatever "shape" or "vibe" I prefer in your outfits.
Hmm my 2 cents is I do think you’re somewhere in the gamine family. You have the petite frame for sure and the juxtaposition of yin and yang. You do look good in pieces with broken lines (short skirts, cropped items). They make you look lively and they fit harmoniously on your frame. Imo, SN people tend to have more of a soft hour-glass shape, which I don’t see in your frame, and they don’t look petite. While FG line makes you look really sporty and compact, SG line accommodates your softness quite harmoniously. But anyway, I think essences (and seasonal color) will also influence your outfit like fabric weight, color contrast, texture, pattern, etc. I usually think about Kibbe body type as the clothing silhouette on your frame. Other aspects can be based on your essences, personality, preferences.
All in all, Kibbe body is supposed to help us feel more confident in choosing outfits that flatter our features, but it starts to become too confusing or restrictive, I think you can wear whatever makes you feel happy, beautiful and empowered❤
@@juliechen8710 yes! SN have a subtle soft hour glass shape! This is true and true for me as well. And I can see soft gamine in her like you said! Good analysis.
I think FN lines overwhelm YOU. You notice the clothing, not YOU. The waist definition of SN suits you more. Personally, i think FG styles suit YOU more, though you don't seem to like that kind of style. I really liked the short boxy jacket in outfit 1.
Great post. Agree with your summary and SN looks best. I think waist definition really suits as well as exposed ankles and wrists. You have best approach as you know what suits and breaking the rules doesn't hurt either as long as you feel confident...you'll look great which you do 😊
I'm an FN and watching your prior video I was thinking you look softer, shorter and finer than I do (I'm 5'9"). I think you're a Natural, and I think even commented as such, but I think you're soft. The waist definition when the shirt is tied really balances your frame, same with the belt. You look great as an SN!
In most of your outfits, I liked in that order: soft natural
Flamboyant gamine
Dramatic classic..I didn't like it soo much of the Flamboyant natural until you showed us your face,than things matched perfectly,that's leave me thinking clothes don't really have ID and they are not soo diferent as I tought 🤔,dc,sn,fg and fn could share some pieces!!
Note: I know not many people say this,but Flamboyant gamine actualy looks more like a mini natural than a dramatic, who looks like a mini dramatic is pure gamine. Dc can also have yang coming from natural but not to the point whereas width is dominant.
I‘d love a video essay about this topic from Ellie-Jean Royden 🤩✨
My vote is also soft natural. You're such a fantastic creator and there is such a lack of modern SN content, so this result is definitely exciting! If you're interested in getting an objective opinion, Alyssa Rudman has typing services that are well priced. She typed me as an SN as well and I was really pleased to finally find my type and put the kibbe quizzes to rest once and for all.
Sorry, can’t help. You look beautiful and cool in all these looks. 🤷♀️
I can tell you’re more comfortable in the SN lines. Your body moves differently. I think they look best on you. All of these looks look good on you in my opinion, but I see a difference between everything else and the SN. I also think your frame generally agreed with SN. Also, love your hair!!
Honestly after seeing all the options i don't feel like it makes any difference regarding body shape but just the styles and vibes are different which are a personal preference. And i could immediately see what clothes you felt more comfortable in and it feels like it was the only thing that made YOU look better in any outfits.
After watching many of your videos i feel like your vibe and style are along the lines of casual, comfortable, natural and a bit sporty and a sprinkle of edgyness. Like somewhere between plant mom and ready to go on a hike if that makes sense. So at this point the most flattering clothes for you in my mind are the clothes that match that energy.
I have come to conclusion that I have features from all these same kibbe types and we have very similar frame, my shoulders are just slightly wider than yours I think. So difficult to decide which one I am! So looking forward to actually watching this now🤩🤌
soft shoulders and waist definition looks so amazing on you, i definitely think you’re also a soft natural
Love soft natural style on you 🙂 i think I'm soft gamine but i borrow from soft natural style because i love the more relaxed lines
You do need to include your face and personality/ essence in the equation. There really needs to be a natural gamine category for people who need more structure than natural and more relaxed than gamine.
Kibbe’s book came out in 1987. I went to the salon/class that he offered in NYC in 1989 (or 1990🤷♀️I think..or 92..don’t remember exactly)So much fun to learn, get a makeup lesson for my type, hair cut and color, clothing and color schemes. A full day-but changed everything for me. I’m a classic-dramatic. Yes, I definitely am! I remember going home on the train and catching sight of myself in a store window-it stopped me in my tracks! I had arrived!
Clothes, jewelry and my hair still represent this and I’ve always felt confident in my style and like myself. Best money I ever spent on myself. If you can do it, it will save you lots of $ and keep you from buying things that never work for you.
I’ve had the book all these years and am grateful for it as a reminder.🩷
For the first set of outfits, I prefer the first one which was for flamboyant gamine and the last outfit
Soft natural. I think you are overwhelmed by the white ombre dress without any waist emphasis, which makes me think not flamboyant natural.
I'm thinking you're in the natural family for sure.
After watching this, I lean toward SN and DC for you, though all 4 styles had positive aspects. If SN is what feels the most comfortable on and your priority is comfort, then of course I support that ID, but I don't think one is overwhelmingly better than the other. But you bring up an interesting point about individual taste, comfort over style and how much personal bias influences what you see and think about your own style vs what others see and think. Maybe you could further discuss the impact and hindrance of personal bias when it comes to figuring out your own body type and colour season and how easily that can steer you in the right or wrong direction
I think you are right! Soft natural suits you very well. All is in a spectrum and not every FG is similar, but seeing you comparing clothes, it made total sense. Full length trousers, lower contrast shirt and deeper neckline, looser fit.... All that you described. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 I think you can pull off some gamine recommendations, maybe soft gamine ones? Not too tight, but short looked good, medium length was not so flattering, in my opinion. Sometimes just 1 or 2 inches make a huge difference. The most important is, that one can feel comfortable and confident in how one looks. Spectrum - in color, in essence and body type. Sometimes it's not even the length or fit of a piece, it's the fabric. Too stiff of a fabric and too oversized is not SOO good. Those are really for FN's, and tall ones. I find that we should not think of gamines as petit only, or FN's / Dramatics as super tall, because it depends on, well, origin / race. A portuguese woman may be not as tall as a scandinavian one, but both can be FG or SD or Romantics.
You nailed it, I have to try on some stuff in my closet 😁😀😂😂👍🏼 greetings 🇵🇹
Thank you so much for this vid! After many years of trying to find my kibbe type, even after being typed by different style typers, youve actually helped me feel sure about my type!
Like you, I'm not obviously curvy. However, the only jeans that have ever actually fit me are "curvy" ones. The other thing is i was underweight my whole life due to a health condition but now ive been able to gain weight to within the normal range. Now, ive noticed that i appear fleshy. The other thing is the weight i gained went to my face, upper arms, boobs and butt.
I have been previously typed as a dramatic and as a Flamboyant natural. Both of these lines look horrible on me!
The other day, i tried on soft dratic lines and seriously wow!!! I looked like myself! Its crazy. So ya just because we dont have small waists or large busts or even big hips, doesnt mean were not a soft type.
I bet there are plenty of soft types who dont gain much in the thighs and hips byt do in the actual butt like me.
Anyone else like this? Also wondering if there are any SD's here 👋
I not a soft dramatic but you put me doubt here...am I a romantic or teatrical romantic?? Or maybe I sm just gamine pure,I don't see much softness in my body😅,I just know I have petite..
Hey, Jen, to me you don't look long (nor do you look short), your shoulders do not look very wide (nor do they look narrow) and you seem balanced. Your bones do seem blunt and not small.
I think Soft Natural. I like how you incorporate what you know looks good on you and what you avoid and other styling tools like Allison Bornstein's 3-words. Looking forward to more videos where you incorporate the many styling systems/tools together because, man, they can be confusing!!!
Love how much work you put in to every video pheew. Was the greatest watch of the week!!! I appreciate yhow much data you gave for us to think on and study lines.
As for my opinion I think that categories are just categories, and you certainly know your body best and what a piece of clothing does to it more than anyone. But if we need an anchoring answer to which category you belong in the Kibbe and Mcjimsey system I would still insist that you are infact a flamboyant gamine:
Firstly all the clothes are already coming from your wardrobe and I pointed how you already knew how to dress yourself. Aaaannd almost all of them are a variation of a FlamGam lines. Yet! I have to stress that there's not a definite like one perfect line for the gamine family, gamines are not like any other type and they have the most sub-categories. They come in very different shapes and sizes. So for example a higher neckline wont suit a flamboyant gamine woman with a busty or broader upper body (yes they exist) because that will make her top heavy and will look disregulated. What I'm saying is that you have contrasting body parts, your face is contrasting your body; your upper body is contrasting your lower half, your flesh is contrasting your skeleton, your bones as in their height individually are contrasting like your arms and legs. And voila! You by nature always pick contrasting colors, styles and fabrics as you may realize yourself aswell. We usually oversee our essences and mistaken them as our body type, which is still an improvement don't get me wrong, we all start somewhere to see ourselves objectively.
Comment section is mostly leaning Soft Natural. Why is that? Firstly dare I say most Flamboyants Gamines like to wear natural lines with thicker fabrics, some slouchy gathers and its the best 2nd one of lines they can wear other than their own. Ooop!
Starting with the first one: Shirt looks better because: your calves are showing and the dress drapes just right through your thighs to make their soft angles stand out. So you show off your softer and slightly muscular lower half. The blazers might suit your upper body however in this case makes the lower part look ambigious. And we already know that your upper body is frame dominant with blunt and sharp angles. So throwing on the shirt making it look unconstructed and giving it a waist emphasis making the look come together. The shirt has a thicker fabric and does not have a flowyness to it as its supposed to be to considered as a natural shirt. It keeps its shape with a contrasting color and fittedness around the elbow and waist. Also those sandals ties everything together.
For the dress, I think this one is pretty easy, the dress itself is a flamgam dress alltogether. It cuts right on your ankle, has halter neck, it might lack contrast on some people, but againts your skin its popping and making a contrast with the white of your eyes and the darker value of your hair and eyes. You don't need a waist emphasis with every clothing for every flamboyant gamines, but then there's the likes of Kelly Osbourne who has so many blunt edges and wider stature without a fittedness around waist she would look heavier visually. However in your case you need a straighter look and could go maximum to an A line skirt maybe. I love the white denim has thick material with sharp plunging neckline but not in a sultry kind of way and looks just right with the black bandeau. As for the last dress i would consider it as a Theatrical Romantic outfit which you could pass it to someone else as you were contemplating hehe.
It could look appropriate for you if it the skirt were a little longer and the top had coverage either for your arms like the first black shirt, or could cover up to the neck but the lower part then would had to be wider and loser.
Best Ones:
Baggier bottoms with a narrow top is superior to all of the other.
Best next silhouette is a slimmer bottom with a fittedness at the upper waist and covering of the shoulders.
Straight dress, no longer than ankles that shows the shoulders.
Not the Best Ones:
All classic lines
Slimmer bottoms with unfitted shirt
Top bottom flowy ones
Extremely fitting bodycon TR presenting lines
DC lines would be the least suitable type imo it just shadows your anima and for the poeple that predicted classic; just cause you love more subdued classic colors patters and clothes doesnt mean you are one, every color and pattern can accommodate every style Flamboyant Gamine ones are not truly Flamboyant Gamine as I said before they lean more Gamine to Soft Gamine except the TR dress. Anything other than the Flamboyant Gamine ones are the Flamboyant Gamine ones perse!
Anyhow Jenn prioritizes comfort, simple coherent colors and patterns making her style essence classic and natural. Thats what we percieve out of what we see. Lines are a whole another thing.
Thank you if you took time to read this piece of ''I had nothing today so I analyzed the grain out of Jenn's body and had fun doing it''.
Love you Jenn 😘
Thank you so much for this comment - I resonated so much with "wearing natural lines with thicker fabrics" because I thought that SN lines would be absolutely PERFECT if fabric recommendations weren't as soft!
You give me such a Kaylee Cuoco vibe! Shes a soft natural too!
these are all the style lines that I was struggling with! I love the Natural lines in general on you, with preference for the SN. The FG chops you up too much in the boxy cropped. I have heard, but I'm no expert, is that SN are loose and relaxed but with a little structure which is what you seem to like. Love the video, it helps me!
I really like the soft natural and then the flamboyant natural on you. Although with the dip dye dress, I prefer it without a belt.
This was a fun experiment, and a good idea for people who are trying to decide between image IDs . Especially your point about finding the common recommendations for the type you're torn between.
I think you have a great eye for what works for you, though, so I agree that you don't really need to hold yourself to a type.
This was a fun video to watch - I'm not sure where I'd place you though. I liked the soft natural and flamboyant gamine looks the best though. I have a lot of trouble with kibbe and kitchener - I find it much easier to find my color season and analyze my face structure. I'm six feet tall, and don't feel like I fit into any of those other systems at all. Most of my clothes probably fit into some sort of classic/casual grouping.
Despite being drastically taller than you at 5’10”, I found this very informative. We have a similar shape, my bones perhaps a bit more angular, but the same overall rectangular body. I could see how our lines were quite similar and also see with your outfit try-ons things that mimic styles I prefer or feel more comfortable with on my body. So thank you! It has really helped me to narrow down my Kibbe type to either SN or DN. If they had a child, it would be me 😆
seeing your faces changed it so much for me. I thought you were ricking the FG looks (not the blue dress & red shoes though lol maybe better with more simple shoes imo), but i agree that with your face it didn't quite match! very interesting. Keep up the amazing content!
i like soft natural option on you the best!
I think you are spot on with your thoughts. Soft Natural looks most harmonious on your body and creates the most flattering silhouette on your frame. Your dresses in Flamboyant Gamine were very good, with your rebellious shoe choices to create your personal style. But considering the first two dresses, having the shirt tied at the waist and the other dress belted created the best overall proportions. Flamboyant Natural worked better than Dramatic Classic, but both created a look of excess fabric volume on your frame. If that is your personal choice, then go with it, but Soft Natural was #1!