Ofc it is positive, they are the major source of RMT! Currently there is no other reason to have gold besides spending it in GDKP, you can get by having 10,000 gold anyone who has more than 100,000 is basically going to use it in GDKP we all know how much RMT is in thesee raids! Botting symptom of RMT, the more people that buy gold the more bots you will get. Simple supply and demand.
The pug scene in classic was decimated around mid-end of BWL last time around due to GDKP. Before that you could easily find SR pugs all the time, but after GDKP’s became meta that vanished. Sure there would be the odd SR here or there but I’d say like 85%+ we’re GDKP. It ruined the casual pug scene and I rarely played my alt that I leveled just to participate in it
It was not due to GDKP. Its bc ppl give up around then, guilds cant go and steamroll AQ40 like they did MC/BWL. By the time naxx rolls around its a ghost town. This same lifecycle happened on private servers. It has nothing to do with GDKPs. Look at SoD now, its in AQ phase and is a ghost town.
Yeah, I know the feeling! Right now on Gehennas-Horde it’s 99% GDKP and guild raids rest is random pugs. You can’t even find a clearing regular pug in popular classic servers since vanilla days.
GDKPs are banned AFAIK on BSB and the raiding scene there has always been steady. Granted it's not as large as other servers and there was issues filling spots after Ulduar was out, but pretty much anyone could raid that wanted to.
Even if not, that sh1t loot system should never exist. imagine farming gold nonstop in the game where you enter to enjoy it and have fun. farming gold for 24/7 and feel like you are doing a job is not fun
@lashaxoperia5917 Don't like it, don't join it. It's existed since WoW existed and wasn't a serious problem until Blizzard stopped banning gold buying/selling.
@@TheGrumpyMunchkins its legit the opposite wtf? the sweats are gridnign prgression... GDKP i can just farm mats on an alt and buy a piece of gear lolol
Meanwhile, judging from the comments, seems like most of the people who plan to actually _play_ the game rather than farm it for content are perfectly happy with this decision.
i've noticed alot of streamers who have complained about GDKP's and gold buying in the past are now mad they're banned. people just always want to be on the opposite side so they can argue.
Streamers want it because they don't have to farm off gold for consumables off-stream and it's easier to gear up since they're given gold by their simp fans. They're completely out of touch with the average non streamer that just loves Vanilla WoW.
I think youre dead off because you have a GDKP bias. GDKPs are the biggest contributor to economies on servers being fucked for an average wow player. Theres more average wow players than there are sweats. So not having a fucked economy means more average players stay, sweats will stay regardless and the servers will see net positive increase in player retention.
If ebonhardt reads this, this is what 99% of my freinds think, the ones that were young when classic was out back in the day. We never played the game with the understanding of GDKPs but even back then once we played enough and even being as young as we were we hated GDKPs as none of us could figure out how people ever made that much gold. It always just seemed like cheating. Now that me and my friends are older we see what and how GDKPs worked and honestly I wish I still didn't understand as it's just toxic for a game that's supposed to be about community and building guilds and such, lifting up others etc. ❤❤ Anyways thanks to anyone reading this comment let me know if I missed the mark anywhere
We did the experiment without gdkps. I would love the experiment to see how it goes if gold buying, selling, and botting are aggressively policed. I know plenty of people buying gold on SoD unafraid of any recourse.
That would take money, time and effort from blizzard, so it's not happening. The reddit crybabies at least got the best raiding method banned again. Fresh classic will probably see a steady decline in phase 2 just like sod did.
te developers have stated multiple times that lvling up is the classic experience this keeps u invested in ur character so can we put an end to this as gdkps are not coming to anniversary servers and thats great
Classic Fresh doesn’t need GDKP. If a minority of sweaty Era frogs aren’t going to play if they can’t buy gear, they don’t actually enjoy playing Vanilla. Those people can stay on their rotting toons in Era.
Best thing that will happen to the game, a lot of us 30+ players have actual irl commitments and never cared about sweats and streamers, play the game like a real person not like an AI, huge improvement to the game and deff will keep us for few more years subscribed. Kudos to Blizzard for doing this, and also if sweats and streamers want to run the BS GDKP (its not rewarding, they are just lazy to go out and find themselfs a real job and see the game as a job) can always stay on ERA and throw around the gold , 10k gold for tier 0.5 feet, half a kidney for Binding whatever...
You realise that if one exist then the other will as well! Both relies on the other to exist to make profit , 90% of all people who do GDKP house bought gold at some point. GDKP also destroys the social aspect of the game, because you’re basically us buying a boost and all the items you want without knowing anything about the game or how to play it desentivses grouping up as a guild and overcoming challenges. You basically turning it into a simulator game because u don’t actually spend time in the game and is actively harming the gameplay and future for those that do!
GDKP is the only reason to play an Alt character. If you join a guild run, your alt character is immediately passed up on for loot. If you join a pug, you spend 4 hours wiping and end up losing the roll to a player who is doing less damage than the tank. GDKP is NOT the issue, the un-banned bots is the issue. That blizzard seems to be completely incapable of banning. Private servers seem to have an extremely easy time banning them.
It really isnt. We used to run alt raids all the time before gdkp took over. It was equally fast to gdkp, you just didnt have to swipe. And no whiping is needed at all neither. We took 4ish key players from the main raid to lead the alt raid, and had their alts join the main raid, that way everyone won. gdkp is for lazy ppl who want the fame, but not the work, with the exception of a tiny fraction of players who like farming more than raiding.
@ key word to your rebuttals “used to run” have you played classic wow in the last few years? The player base is exceedingly worse performance-wise and the pug environment is extremely toxic and awful. gdkp’s are great for alt raiding in every aspect. Want to gear a character quickly and efficiently ? - GDKP Want to make gold to afford consumes for your Main toon? - GDKP. Stop trying to take away others ability / enjoyment of the game because the small indie company can’t seem to ban bots & gold buyers.
@@Parzival.007 Im literally playing it right now, so yes. Past tense cause every one is on break till nov21st. Ive done both guild runs and pugs and I havent had any performance issues, to the extend you are describing. Maybe its a server/guild/faction thing? Or maybe look at the common denominator.. :P Want to gear a character quickly and efficiently ? - Guild raid / guild alt raid. Want to make gold to afford consumes for your Main toon? - Farm like normal people, or slack on consumes like most people do these days, cause they arent strickly necessary. The thing is, Blizzard wont deal with botting, thats a fact, leaving us just these 2 options, and my "fun" dont impact yours, where your "fun" destroys the economy, the server and ruins the fun for the 90% not wanting to swipe.
It's a great thing that they banned gdkp. I think it was one of the biggest issues that drove people away from classic. It's why I stopped playing TBC. It encourages RMT like no ones business. The game will retain some of it's soul that it lost when gdkp took over.
I personally like it. I’m not raiding on my alts on cata because just about everything going on is a GDKP and I’m just not for it. No more regular groups running anymore
Everyone I know bought gold in sod, post GDKP ban. Incursions caused way more inflation than GDKP gold buying ever could’ve. People who whine about GDKP are louder than it seems. Those types of people aren’t running raids or building guilds. They’re just leaching off SR runs. Anyone who has formed raids consistently, knows how hard it can be. They use GDKP cause it’s just easier than managing SRs or MS>OS.
the "hardcore sweaty" people that actually play a lot on era want GDKP because it gives an incentive to raid even when your character is decked out or a reason to raid on an alt in order to fund your main etc etc
Most people that like gdkp don't comment on social Media and Blizzard Forums. They are in discord servers and play the game instead of crying that they don't get invited with their grey parsing charakter. The Problem with the ban is: Players found a way to play the game even after they got their items from the raid instead of quitting until next phase. I don't understand why they want gdkp banned. Just join a guild or join another softres pug If you don't like gdkps. Now, like in SoD most pug raids gonna be locked softres runs with legendaries and material locked for the leader.
Yeah everything is fine if you live in a made up scenario world. Thinking gold-buying would ever be impossible is greatly naive. For starters, swapping gold from retail isn’t TOS and is quite easy to do.
What logic is this lmao. The reason GDKP exists is because gold sellers would farm 24/7 to create that income and circulate It in GDKPs. The amount of Gold acquired in GDKPs didn’t just come out of thin air, they came from those Stock Runs where people hack and vendor items.( this is just one example). That’s level of gold doesn’t exist if you play the game like a normal player.
Yep it will never stop if they dont go for the gold buyers. Damn I have ppl in my guild who buyed thousands of golds, got multiple lvl 60s leveled, and what do they get? 2 weeks ban! Yep, its totally worth it to do, they could never have done that same thing in 2 weeks so they still got a net positive in the end. Blizzard could at least have waited until they drop AQ for the ban wave so it at least hurts a bit more. But that's ridiculous
If people straight up won't play because the ban on GDKP, then good fucking riddance, more than happy to play without them ! But the player amount won't be that high because Blizzard only gave 1 week notice, and no advertisement and megaservers. Feels rushed
To an extent I understand it. However, this is a narrow and ignorant mindset. The player base for this game has grown up. We have jobs, we are busy, and we can’t always be a part of a strict raiding schedule. Am I in the minority maybe / maybe not. But for those who own our own business or work swing shifts or travel etc… and gdkp is the only means of raiding or farming gold etc… this is a very real problem for a lot of people. Just my .02
Simonize had a pretty good idea back when the SoD GDKP ban was first announced. He made a whole video talking about it last year. Paraphrasing, a new in-game loot system that uses BoP currency (existing currency like badges or emblems, or a brand new currency) for bidding instead of gold, distribute those at the end, and have a separate vendor with things like raid consumables, profession materials, or other BoE items that are useful or valuable. Players could still turn these emblems into gold by selling the items they acquire from the bid currency vendor, but crucially this currency is BoP so players cannot transfer this currency between characters/players or buy this currency with IRL money to give themselves an advantage in this bid system in the same way that players can buy gold to give themselves an advantage in GDKP. There's more to it, but I'd recommend watching Simonize's video to get the whole picture
All this Obsession around parses and numbers... They ruin the game for themself and dont realize it. And the irony is, the game isnt even that hardcore and difficult to begin with.
Gdkp...here we go again. Sure in an ideal world if Blizz had GM's and a very harsh for policy and system buying gold or cheating (private servers do this but multi billion $ cant lol) then fine. On hammerdance's last video about this subject had about 95% of comments disagree with himt too. What does old Era servers and Retail have in common? WoW token etc. A legit pay2win, skip, convenience w/e you want to call it. People will always buy gold sadly but gdkp just adds more to it. Last time I checked Era, a flask cost is same as epic mount, alpha and omega kek. But this is *Classic fresh* we're talking about without WoW token, level boost bs (Ihope!). Try keep these two things separated Ebon/folks. Thanks for reading. Edit TLDR add: I mean is it not enough they won't even ban people buying gold on live streams and even admits it? Looking at you Sodapoppin 👀 Should not matter if it's a random player, a big known streamer, the King of Norway or the Prime Minister of Antarctica...
@@Croshiuz It might yes but that will (hopefully) be during Wrath like last time. Edit: If they add WoW token in classic (or Tbc) ppl will riot. I will close my wallet, unsub and uninstall. That simple.
I completely, respectfully, disagree. I've played everything and everywhere for 20 years, and imo GDKP ban is an astoundingly net positive in the end. People who are upset are gold buyers, or as a byproduct supporting gold buying. Because even if you don't buy gold yourself, where do you think the 5000 gold you earned during that raid come from... Rather have no GDKP and a few upset people. ps : If Blizzard had serious cheating and bot enforcement in place, then GDKP would be great and fine system in theory.
I actually say that at the end haha. I think the ban is a net positive overall in my opinion. I was just summarizing all points of view and breaking it down. Imo, keeping it banned is the way to go. But they should still somehow, and I don't know if it's possible, ban buyers and sellers and kill off the RMT scene.
Soft reserve pugs bring SO much frustration for your average joe like bis items being hard reserved (cuz why would someone form 40man raid for nothing), 10+ ppl rolling for same item, low geared guy snatching your item and you leave raid with no loot and no gold (mind you spend like morbillion gold on consumes). I saw a comment on wowhead that suggests separate servers where you can and cannot do gdkp so both sides will be happy, and we'll se what players want for real
Also, why was there so low/not at all soft reserve raids on classic? They were not banned, anybody can create SR raid, problem is - nobody wanna play it. Majority of players this raids attract it's guys who have bad gear, bad logs and they don't know how to play, so safe to say no sane person would go to a SR run. Gatekeeping? yes, absolutely. Toxic? yea, kinda. Fair? i guess so (nobody wanna boost others for nothing while people you boosting take your items 😭)
im more them glad GDKPs are banned. Because you know what. its annoying looking in the trade chat and just seeing GDKPs in a classic game. That killed it and the economy originally on classic.
Banning gdkp is both bad and sad imo.. I think most of the people that think this is a good thing never actually been affected by gdkps.. yes, some people are buying gold, but now when blizzard them self are part of the gold selling no one complains about that! Gdkps brings the good players for a mostly smooth raid and if you don’t buy any items you don’t leave empty handed so it’s a win win situation. The game will forever have problems with bots because even if gdkps are banned, people will still buy gold. Let people play the game however they want! The gold in the gdkp scene mostly stays in it anyway. Gdkps was one of the things I was looking forward to.. hopefully blizzard changes it!
What i find funny is, people keep coping that no gdkp is good for the game, but if there was a seperate server with gdkp allowed it would be so much more popular than the no gdkp server. I have no doubt. It would also most certainly have better longevity.
To right they should ban it ... buying gold to buy gear is absolutely against what original wow stands for.... now ofc people still gonna buy gold, but the fact they wont be able to buy gear will dramatically lower the gold buying. Only people crying here are sweaty streamers and muppets that dont actaully want to play the game and grind the gear out. Who gives a fuck about keeping the sweatys happy. fuk um xD
For me as a one-char-only player this is not so good. I usually got my gear really quickly and GDKP helped me get a ton of gold just by attending the raid. Never bought gold in my whole life. But what is the point in going into those raids with random groups now? Helping this toxic and idiotic community? No thanks, i will rather raidlog then.
Yeah that is what most people don't see. When you are done gearing you just quit until next phase without gdkp. So it will be less raids than before. 😂
@@nyroku8580 So you screw over your guild by not raiding as soon as you get gear forcing them to fill your spot with either a pug or another guildies alt (or just another guildie) which then makes everyone else gear slower... You guys are a problem
@@Skarduxd obviously we are not talking about guild runs :D If you are in a guild you have a loot council or something similar. We are not your problem, we raid in pugs until we got our BiS and then log out. If you continue raiding in your guild for 8 more weeks until the last character got their loot that is your way. I don't gear up random pug raiders for free.
@@nyroku8580 "we raid in pugs" random pugs? Or guild runs with some pugs in them? Because if ur somehow "gearing up quickly" in random pugs (even with SR) then i would looooove to know your secret because thats just not a thing in classic. And if ur doing guild runs with a few pugs guess what? These pugs are LITERALLY there because of ppl like you... And if ur a pug enjoyer then how is gdkp a good thing? Everyone was either raiding with their guild or going to a GDKP. Normal pugs literally died due to that...
@@Skarduxd gdkp pugs. Farm some gold while leveling or at 60 with the auction house, raid, buy your items or get gold every week when you don't win your Item. After some weeks you have your 2-3 items you need from molten core and can continue raiding every week for gold. If I were in a softres pug and won my 2-3 items there is no reason for to even raid anymore when I am not in a parsing group or something where my goal is 99 logs. Tbh never raided classic with 40 players, that group size is so dumb to Gear Up anyway. My experience is from wotlk/cata and SoD (where MC and ony are 20 Player raids). I was done after 4 weeks of raiding and logged out cause there was no gdkp, only softres. In wotlk and cata I raided the whole Phase and made some gold to invest for the coming phase. Classic Vanilla is so easy you could even do MC and ony with 20 good people there cause Boss HP and DMG are not buffed like in SoD. With 20-30 players softres will be a lot easier to gear up but after you are done you can logout until BWL.
It is only a good change for everyone. maybe they should do something about buying carries for aotc on retail one day, they've clearly enforced the no gdkps pretty god damn well in sod, so i'd like to see some of this ban effort on that side of the pond too.
Do a video of pros and cons of SoD players staying SoD versus rolling fresh Classic! Appreciate the consistent Classic content you put out on your channel. Cheers!
I’m curious if they are eventually going to remove It in Era, that little “caveat” where they said “this is subject to change in era at our discretion”. Nonetheless, classic era population is going to take a hit.
i could honestly care less if there gdkps or not. theres pros and cons, blizzard isnt going to be strict on gold buying and botting. WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS TBC ERA if we are forced to wotlk again this whole thing is a waste of time and way too rushed. WE NEED PERMA TBC ERA
Never bought gold. Played Classic since launch in 2019 and retail before that. I couldn't give 2 shits if they ban GDKP, personally I think it's a good thing because there will be a lot less gold selling.
Strongly dissagree. The people who wants GDKP are mostly the people who dont actually "play" the game, and whom are heavily into either buying or selling for RL money. I know, cause I was actively part of this scene for a while. And I honestly dont care to keep those people playing, at the expense of the entire economy, cause dont fool yourself, that is the effect it has. It demolishes the economy and inflates everything, and makes anyone who isnt bying gold, struggle to progress. I you dont belive me, try making a new char on Whitemane, and see how progression feels, its horrid. There is a reason the majority of players across any genre and any game absolutly hates "pay 2 win", and it is no different for Fresh Classic. You hear the loud minority, wanting to buy the fast track to bis, but I guarentee you, that is the minority indeed.
Bang on. I can't help noticing all the streamers are coming out against this even as their own comment sections roast them for it. Which makes sense. As you said, they're not actually playing the game. Their objective is to blitz through all the available content in a month or two before their audience gets bored and they need to move on to something else. Thing is, there are games for which that format works - but WoW Classic ain't one o' those. The game isn't meant to be played at breakneck speed. If you're rushing to endgame and getting BiS geared as quickly as possible I'll go so far as to say you're playing the game wrong.
But if they don't play the game then please explain to me how era has become the way it is? If a majority of the people raiding and playing on era are doing GDKP then how can you say they don't "actually play the game"?
@@Croshiuz Getting carried by decked t3 ppl, and buying the loot with RL money, that they then sell back to ppl, is not playing the game. That is just that, paying to win. The thing is, that once it starts on a server, you have to dip your toes in it, if you like it or not, cause the inflation on even the simple items on the server, goes up to a point, where normal players cannot follow. I wouldnt be agains gdkp to this extent, if it wasnt due to the implications it has on the economy, mostly due to RMT. Once you introduce RMT, it ruins the game for 90% of the players, and only benefits the 10% who lives off of it, either paaying 2 win, or selling the gold they make.
GDKP is all about RMT right now and blizzard knows this, also the harder the content the fewer GDKPs will exist cause they won’t be able to carry idiots that use RMT to spend 99% of the GDKPs gold share. Problem is those few whales inflate 24 ppl with gold and thus erasing the economy little by little, and suddenly the entire server uses RMT gold that a few ppl bought and suddenly u need 100 000 for a flask and everyone has to RMT to get consumables cause they can’t farm it cause of millions of bots and can’t buy it cause prices are to high.
Why don’t they ban it on classic era too? Gdkp is one of the most depressing think to ever happen to wow, why they allow it it’s genuinely out of my understanding…
thanks for the video i plan on checking it out i think have you ever tried lord of the rings online it came out around the same time Wow did and its an interesting game and also has a similar classic mode its crazy how wow inspires other MMo
Ofc there are some shadow gdkps going on. But the hurdle is still way harder when it comes to organizing since you cant advertise/talk about it at all in game and also you have to do some very weird stuff to distribute gold in order to circumvent blizzards gold buying detectors
I think judging anything by CE or what CE players want is flawed. Cata: 120k players, SOD 84k players, CE? 17k. Much like HC this a population that wields a disproportionate amount of influence online.
I love GDKP. It's a really demanding atmosphere. People come on time so as not to get penalized. No need to kiss a guild's ass to show that we deserve our loot, no need to be present 24/7 to show that we deserve the best loot. No need to collect all the resources in the world to come optimized. In short, long live GDKP!
So honestly my personal opinion GDKP is not only issue with buying GOLD but as well with massive amount of only GDKP groups not a normal group for your alt… so how it looks you have to waste loots of time on your main if you don’t run those raids with your Guild to boost players lucking some items to boost gold buyers in raids so you can gear your alt … or you guy gold your self … and you want have time to farm gold if you do GDKP boosts… in 2019 classic I join ZG runs just for gold as a booster did I earn much not rly as people didn’t bet much when I was ready to boost for gold … so I had only main geared and my alt was only refining Deeprock salts ^^ as there was no normal runs going on now in SOD there is loots of random groups running MC BWL ZG and no GDKP I love my life in SOD!!
Idc about buying gold and idc about gdkps but it does suck When those things influence prices and makes gathering for example less gold per hour for legit players
To all people thinking, there will be more raids 4 weeks into the phase without gdkp are just delusional. There are only gdkp raids in the looking for group channel because the players got their items and have no reason to raid anymore. With gdkp they would carry people for gold, now they just log out. Like in sod there will be less raids and most pugs will hard reserve items and material. We also had the test in SoD and there are still bots and there is still gold buying. GDKP was not the problem and you know that.
Banning gdkp's will have no practical effect on inflation. In fact, gold may become even cheaper to buy as players won't be hoarding as much for gdkp's. If anything banning gdkp's could increase inflation.
Oh no!!! They banned GDKP!!! Vanilla is such a trash game without GDKP's. It is DOA! It has always been the original developers dream to implement it as an official system. There will absolutely be no gate keeping to get in a GDKP without a big wallet. Eveybody is friendly and there is absolutely no connection between bots, RMT and GDKP. All hail GDKP's, the one true champion of Azeroth.
absolutely disagree gdkp as a new player makes you unaible to join raids because all the raids are gdkps if your not in a guild so if you're a class that can't farm well you have nbo choice but to buy gold to get gear fuck that shit let's pug it out boys and roll those dices
@@MrJonHimself yeah but some of us have lives and dont want to raid every weeks and just want to raid from time to time and not every week at the same timelike every guild will want you to
If you like sr raids you likely don't bring much to the table and just want free loot for your bad performance. No sane person wants to carry you for free, thats why gdkp is so popular when it's allowed.
Good. Streamers and sweaters burnt out on classic makes for a healthier community. If you have something to prove or want to gamble, look for other outlets
i hope they ban mage dungeon boosts too lol. İ never buy dungeon boosts i love world pvp but every people as my level are in dungeon afk leveling like bots
Once again treating the symptom and not the actual problem. Ban buyers and sellers. Allow gdkp with legit gold. It’s really the only endgame activity for a geared char.
That would require Blizzard (upper management) to actually hire real GM’s. You think a game like Classic that offers no source of revenue is going to hire enough GMs just so they have have GDKP? Lol
No gdkp is the way to go, one of the best decisions they ever made. You seem to be disconnected from the community, those people that won’t play due to no gdkp’s really don’t like vanilla and can play retail or if they choose they can play dead fully progressed era servers. Keep this retail mindset away from classic.
This GDKP ban is mostly aimed at the private server audience (I played Pservers mostly) - on all major ones, GDKP is banned and currently, there is no good fresh vanilla project around (only Twow and that is a classic+ one) - hence blizzard doesnt want to capture the Era players (they have their Era servers after all) but tries to fill a gap in the market by attracting pserver players to official servers, whilst they work on Classic+ or whatever they are cooking up.
Well, no. Private servers really have nothing to do with it lol. The vocal majority asked for a GDKP ban in SoD because it works better in a fresh economy. I still believe GDKP is best kept around for aged servers like Era. It’s the only reason Era isn’t desolate.
The GDKP ban is a net positive in my opinion, but tell me why you agree or why you disagree? The vocal community is very split.
Ofc it is positive, they are the major source of RMT! Currently there is no other reason to have gold besides spending it in GDKP, you can get by having 10,000 gold anyone who has more than 100,000 is basically going to use it in GDKP we all know how much RMT is in thesee raids!
Botting symptom of RMT, the more people that buy gold the more bots you will get. Simple supply and demand.
I just like leaving with a lil something even if I don’t get/need any loot
except if its an Oceanic server then there's no GDKP ban and as always Oceanic is dead so we get free transfers to NA or EU
@@EbonhardtTV That's not what you said in the video.
@@BlindMarksman I literally said it three times in the video. I also quite literally ended the video with that opinion.
The pug scene in classic was decimated around mid-end of BWL last time around due to GDKP. Before that you could easily find SR pugs all the time, but after GDKP’s became meta that vanished. Sure there would be the odd SR here or there but I’d say like 85%+ we’re GDKP. It ruined the casual pug scene and I rarely played my alt that I leveled just to participate in it
It was not due to GDKP. Its bc ppl give up around then, guilds cant go and steamroll AQ40 like they did MC/BWL. By the time naxx rolls around its a ghost town. This same lifecycle happened on private servers. It has nothing to do with GDKPs. Look at SoD now, its in AQ phase and is a ghost town.
Yeah, I know the feeling!
Right now on Gehennas-Horde it’s 99% GDKP and guild raids rest is random pugs. You can’t even find a clearing regular pug in popular classic servers since vanilla days.
GDKPs are banned AFAIK on BSB and the raiding scene there has always been steady. Granted it's not as large as other servers and there was issues filling spots after Ulduar was out, but pretty much anyone could raid that wanted to.
@@theoutlander1411 bSB?
@@Slashresto Blood Sail Buccaneers, it's a NA RPPVE server for Classic Progression I guess we're calling now. The one that came out in 2019
until gold buying / botting is penalized properly. GDKP should stay banned. they can't co-exist imo
Exactly.
Even if not, that sh1t loot system should never exist. imagine farming gold nonstop in the game where you enter to enjoy it and have fun. farming gold for 24/7 and feel like you are doing a job is not fun
@lashaxoperia5917 Don't like it, don't join it. It's existed since WoW existed and wasn't a serious problem until Blizzard stopped banning gold buying/selling.
I’m a classic Andy, been playing since 2004. I hate gdkp , hope it stays away forever.
yes
Same, they're great for hardcore wow players, but terrible for casuals. Let's admit it, wow is more casual these days...
100% agreed. F0ck this pay to win BS.
@@designercaolho totally agree f**k them who cares
@@TheGrumpyMunchkins its legit the opposite wtf? the sweats are gridnign prgression... GDKP i can just farm mats on an alt and buy a piece of gear lolol
Its great news about GDKPs being banned, one thing ive noticed is that alot of streamers are annoyed about that.... makes ya think!
Meanwhile, judging from the comments, seems like most of the people who plan to actually _play_ the game rather than farm it for content are perfectly happy with this decision.
@@BlindMarksman yeah that's pretty much it tbh, a GDKP raid stream is a raid stream AND a gambling stream lol
i've noticed alot of streamers who have complained about GDKP's and gold buying in the past are now mad they're banned. people just always want to be on the opposite side so they can argue.
Streamers want it because they don't have to farm off gold for consumables off-stream and it's easier to gear up since they're given gold by their simp fans. They're completely out of touch with the average non streamer that just loves Vanilla WoW.
@@powerlifting85 blizz wants it because you all buy want more subs... make you think
no it doesnt, it makes it to where gdkp's are the only groups available
I think youre dead off because you have a GDKP bias. GDKPs are the biggest contributor to economies on servers being fucked for an average wow player. Theres more average wow players than there are sweats. So not having a fucked economy means more average players stay, sweats will stay regardless and the servers will see net positive increase in player retention.
@@seanomac792 ye just look at SoD. Its a forgotten ghost town lol
If ebonhardt reads this, this is what 99% of my freinds think, the ones that were young when classic was out back in the day.
We never played the game with the understanding of GDKPs but even back then once we played enough and even being as young as we were we hated GDKPs as none of us could figure out how people ever made that much gold. It always just seemed like cheating.
Now that me and my friends are older we see what and how GDKPs worked and honestly I wish I still didn't understand as it's just toxic for a game that's supposed to be about community and building guilds and such, lifting up others etc.
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Anyways thanks to anyone reading this comment let me know if I missed the mark anywhere
We did the experiment without gdkps. I would love the experiment to see how it goes if gold buying, selling, and botting are aggressively policed. I know plenty of people buying gold on SoD unafraid of any recourse.
That would take money, time and effort from blizzard, so it's not happening. The reddit crybabies at least got the best raiding method banned again. Fresh classic will probably see a steady decline in phase 2 just like sod did.
People can still play GDKP's on the old era servers. Fresh is for people who don't want butchered ass economies.
Gdkp does not ruin the economy, gdkp does NOT generate gold. The bots do however (and botting is yet to be banned lmao)
Blizzard better ban those bots
Gdkp, bot, gold buyers and sellers in all need to be perma banned before I wanna play another blizzard fresh.
There is no both equal sides here. There is an overwhelming majority happy for this change and that tells you everything
te developers have stated multiple times that lvling up is the classic experience this keeps u invested in ur character so can we put an end to this as gdkps are not coming to anniversary servers and thats great
Classic Fresh doesn’t need GDKP. If a minority of sweaty Era frogs aren’t going to play if they can’t buy gear, they don’t actually enjoy playing Vanilla.
Those people can stay on their rotting toons in Era.
Fresh gonna be dead in like 2-3 weeks lol
Same can be said the other way.. don’t like GDKPs don’t do them
@@steadychasingmoneybands6213but you get affected by them if you don't do them.
"iF I DoNt LiKe It ThEn BaN iT" head ass
@@NoClue-rat Probably not that fast, it will likely die down around BWL like always.
GDKP bann is the single best new's besides the edition itself.
Best thing that will happen to the game, a lot of us 30+ players have actual irl commitments and never cared about sweats and streamers, play the game like a real person not like an AI, huge improvement to the game and deff will keep us for few more years subscribed. Kudos to Blizzard for doing this, and also if sweats and streamers want to run the BS GDKP (its not rewarding, they are just lazy to go out and find themselfs a real job and see the game as a job) can always stay on ERA and throw around the gold , 10k gold for tier 0.5 feet, half a kidney for Binding whatever...
Classic classic sounds dumb as hell lmao, everyone ive seen has been calling it classic fresh.
No GDKP HYPE!!!
You make content to 3rd world coping goldsellers tho lol.
awesome, stopped playing era due to gdkp
If you want gdkp then you want pay to win
GDKPs are fine IF bots are banned... Nothing worse than losing an SR roll to a guy who gray parses and doesn't help the raid
You realise that if one exist then the other will as well!
Both relies on the other to exist to make profit , 90% of all people who do GDKP house bought gold at some point.
GDKP also destroys the social aspect of the game, because you’re basically us buying a boost and all the items you want without knowing anything about the game or how to play it desentivses grouping up as a guild and overcoming challenges.
You basically turning it into a simulator game because u don’t actually spend time in the game and is actively harming the gameplay and future for those that do!
Well a guy who grey parses and doesn't help the raid can still outbid you. What's the difference?
@@PrideNverDieeven if you get outbid you still get gold at the end win/win
@@essabinjabr1570Exactly!
Here is the next Problem. If you Like to parse, than dont go with people that dont Care.
GDKP is the only reason to play an Alt character. If you join a guild run, your alt character is immediately passed up on for loot. If you join a pug, you spend 4 hours wiping and end up losing the roll to a player who is doing less damage than the tank. GDKP is NOT the issue, the un-banned bots is the issue. That blizzard seems to be completely incapable of banning. Private servers seem to have an extremely easy time banning them.
It really isnt. We used to run alt raids all the time before gdkp took over.
It was equally fast to gdkp, you just didnt have to swipe.
And no whiping is needed at all neither. We took 4ish key players from the main raid to lead the alt raid, and had their alts join the main raid, that way everyone won.
gdkp is for lazy ppl who want the fame, but not the work, with the exception of a tiny fraction of players who like farming more than raiding.
@ key word to your rebuttals “used to run” have you played classic wow in the last few years? The player base is exceedingly worse performance-wise and the pug environment is extremely toxic and awful. gdkp’s are great for alt raiding in every aspect. Want to gear a character quickly and efficiently ? - GDKP
Want to make gold to afford consumes for your Main toon? - GDKP.
Stop trying to take away others ability / enjoyment of the game because the small indie company can’t seem to ban bots & gold buyers.
@@Parzival.007 Im literally playing it right now, so yes.
Past tense cause every one is on break till nov21st.
Ive done both guild runs and pugs and I havent had any performance issues, to the extend you are describing. Maybe its a server/guild/faction thing? Or maybe look at the common denominator.. :P
Want to gear a character quickly and efficiently ? - Guild raid / guild alt raid.
Want to make gold to afford consumes for your Main toon? - Farm like normal people, or slack on consumes like most people do these days, cause they arent strickly necessary.
The thing is, Blizzard wont deal with botting, thats a fact, leaving us just these 2 options, and my "fun" dont impact yours, where your "fun" destroys the economy, the server and ruins the fun for the 90% not wanting to swipe.
It's a great thing that they banned gdkp. I think it was one of the biggest issues that drove people away from classic. It's why I stopped playing TBC. It encourages RMT like no ones business. The game will retain some of it's soul that it lost when gdkp took over.
so you were making money with wow yah? sry, time to get a job
I'm glad the streamers won't be playing fresh classic. Era is still there for those degenerates. Fresh is for players who love the game period.
I personally like it. I’m not raiding on my alts on cata because just about everything going on is a GDKP and I’m just not for it. No more regular groups running anymore
Everyone I know bought gold in sod, post GDKP ban. Incursions caused way more inflation than GDKP gold buying ever could’ve.
People who whine about GDKP are louder than it seems. Those types of people aren’t running raids or building guilds. They’re just leaching off SR runs.
Anyone who has formed raids consistently, knows how hard it can be. They use GDKP cause it’s just easier than managing SRs or MS>OS.
funny thing is Ebonhardt just said the community wants gdkp but looking at comments he is soo off.
the "hardcore sweaty" people that actually play a lot on era want GDKP because it gives an incentive to raid even when your character is decked out or a reason to raid on an alt in order to fund your main etc etc
Most people that like gdkp don't comment on social Media and Blizzard Forums. They are in discord servers and play the game instead of crying that they don't get invited with their grey parsing charakter.
The Problem with the ban is: Players found a way to play the game even after they got their items from the raid instead of quitting until next phase.
I don't understand why they want gdkp banned. Just join a guild or join another softres pug If you don't like gdkps.
Now, like in SoD most pug raids gonna be locked softres runs with legendaries and material locked for the leader.
@@nyroku8580 I dont understand why they want it banned. STOP trolling.
Reason why you see so much backlash is because casuals are LOUD.
Ban gold buyer Bnet accounts.
Gdkp is fine if you can't buy gold.
Exactly, this 100%. In an organic non-cheating economy, GDKP is fine. But Blizzard ain't banning bots, and never will. So...
Yeah everything is fine if you live in a made up scenario world. Thinking gold-buying would ever be impossible is greatly naive.
For starters, swapping gold from retail isn’t TOS and is quite easy to do.
What logic is this lmao. The reason GDKP exists is because gold sellers would farm 24/7 to create that income and circulate It in GDKPs.
The amount of Gold acquired in GDKPs didn’t just come out of thin air, they came from those Stock Runs where people hack and vendor items.( this is just one example). That’s level of gold doesn’t exist if you play the game like a normal player.
You'd end up banning an enormous portion of the playerbase at this point.
Yep it will never stop if they dont go for the gold buyers. Damn I have ppl in my guild who buyed thousands of golds, got multiple lvl 60s leveled, and what do they get? 2 weeks ban! Yep, its totally worth it to do, they could never have done that same thing in 2 weeks so they still got a net positive in the end. Blizzard could at least have waited until they drop AQ for the ban wave so it at least hurts a bit more. But that's ridiculous
If people straight up won't play because the ban on GDKP, then good fucking riddance, more than happy to play without them !
But the player amount won't be that high because Blizzard only gave 1 week notice, and no advertisement and megaservers. Feels rushed
To an extent I understand it. However, this is a narrow and ignorant mindset. The player base for this game has grown up. We have jobs, we are busy, and we can’t always be a part of a strict raiding schedule. Am I in the minority maybe / maybe not. But for those who own our own business or work swing shifts or travel etc… and gdkp is the only means of raiding or farming gold etc… this is a very real problem for a lot of people. Just my .02
They should focus up and do more to get rid of bots and such over gdkp. I understand but it’s the lazy way of doing it in reverse
Simonize had a pretty good idea back when the SoD GDKP ban was first announced. He made a whole video talking about it last year. Paraphrasing, a new in-game loot system that uses BoP currency (existing currency like badges or emblems, or a brand new currency) for bidding instead of gold, distribute those at the end, and have a separate vendor with things like raid consumables, profession materials, or other BoE items that are useful or valuable. Players could still turn these emblems into gold by selling the items they acquire from the bid currency vendor, but crucially this currency is BoP so players cannot transfer this currency between characters/players or buy this currency with IRL money to give themselves an advantage in this bid system in the same way that players can buy gold to give themselves an advantage in GDKP.
There's more to it, but I'd recommend watching Simonize's video to get the whole picture
Actually a good idea! Would keep people raiding, but you could't just buy gold to bid on items.
All this Obsession around parses and numbers... They ruin the game for themself and dont realize it. And the irony is, the game isnt even that hardcore and difficult to begin with.
Gdkp...here we go again. Sure in an ideal world if Blizz had GM's and a very harsh for policy and system buying gold or cheating (private servers do this but multi billion $ cant lol) then fine.
On hammerdance's last video about this subject had about 95% of comments disagree with himt too. What does old Era servers and Retail have in common? WoW token etc. A legit pay2win, skip, convenience w/e you want to call it. People will always buy gold sadly but gdkp just adds more to it. Last time I checked Era, a flask cost is same as epic mount, alpha and omega kek.
But this is *Classic fresh* we're talking about without WoW token, level boost bs (Ihope!). Try keep these two things separated Ebon/folks. Thanks for reading.
Edit TLDR add:
I mean is it not enough they won't even ban people buying gold on live streams and even admits it? Looking at you Sodapoppin 👀
Should not matter if it's a random player, a big known streamer, the King of Norway or the Prime Minister of Antarctica...
wow token will exist in fresh too, because it exists in other versions of the game and trading gold between versions is not against Blizzard ToS
@@Croshiuz It might yes but that will (hopefully) be during Wrath like last time.
Edit: If they add WoW token in classic (or Tbc) ppl will riot. I will close my wallet, unsub and uninstall. That simple.
@@vXCozmoz what i'm saying is that indirectly it is already in
I completely, respectfully, disagree. I've played everything and everywhere for 20 years, and imo GDKP ban is an astoundingly net positive in the end.
People who are upset are gold buyers, or as a byproduct supporting gold buying. Because even if you don't buy gold yourself, where do you think the 5000 gold you earned during that raid come from...
Rather have no GDKP and a few upset people.
ps : If Blizzard had serious cheating and bot enforcement in place, then GDKP would be great and fine system in theory.
I actually say that at the end haha. I think the ban is a net positive overall in my opinion. I was just summarizing all points of view and breaking it down. Imo, keeping it banned is the way to go. But they should still somehow, and I don't know if it's possible, ban buyers and sellers and kill off the RMT scene.
God forbid you play the game as intended
Soft reserve pugs bring SO much frustration for your average joe like bis items being hard reserved (cuz why would someone form 40man raid for nothing), 10+ ppl rolling for same item, low geared guy snatching your item and you leave raid with no loot and no gold (mind you spend like morbillion gold on consumes). I saw a comment on wowhead that suggests separate servers where you can and cannot do gdkp so both sides will be happy, and we'll se what players want for real
Also, why was there so low/not at all soft reserve raids on classic? They were not banned, anybody can create SR raid, problem is - nobody wanna play it. Majority of players this raids attract it's guys who have bad gear, bad logs and they don't know how to play, so safe to say no sane person would go to a SR run. Gatekeeping? yes, absolutely. Toxic? yea, kinda. Fair? i guess so (nobody wanna boost others for nothing while people you boosting take your items 😭)
SR raiding is basically socialism.
im more them glad GDKPs are banned. Because you know what. its annoying looking in the trade chat and just seeing GDKPs in a classic game. That killed it and the economy originally on classic.
Banning gdkp is both bad and sad imo.. I think most of the people that think this is a good thing never actually been affected by gdkps.. yes, some people are buying gold, but now when blizzard them self are part of the gold selling no one complains about that! Gdkps brings the good players for a mostly smooth raid and if you don’t buy any items you don’t leave empty handed so it’s a win win situation. The game will forever have problems with bots because even if gdkps are banned, people will still buy gold. Let people play the game however they want! The gold in the gdkp scene mostly stays in it anyway. Gdkps was one of the things I was looking forward to.. hopefully blizzard changes it!
What i find funny is, people keep coping that no gdkp is good for the game, but if there was a seperate server with gdkp allowed it would be so much more popular than the no gdkp server. I have no doubt. It would also most certainly have better longevity.
To right they should ban it ... buying gold to buy gear is absolutely against what original wow stands for.... now ofc people still gonna buy gold, but the fact they wont be able to buy gear will dramatically lower the gold buying. Only people crying here are sweaty streamers and muppets that dont actaully want to play the game and grind the gear out. Who gives a fuck about keeping the sweatys happy. fuk um xD
Blizzard doesn't want to stop RMT. That is the only reason you ban GDKP. They didn't even ban Sodapoppin it's disgusting.
Why would they ban Soda? They don’t ban anyone lmao
Agreed.
@@MikeyJ232 Cause he bought gold on stream and even admitted he did lmao
@judestrings A lot of gold lol.
the people benefiting from gdkp probably never quit era, whereas i quit in 2019 though for reasons like xp glitches and instance duping
i like GDKPs but im okay with them being banned this tine around.. the server is only around for a year before TBC anyway
For me as a one-char-only player this is not so good. I usually got my gear really quickly and GDKP helped me get a ton of gold just by attending the raid. Never bought gold in my whole life. But what is the point in going into those raids with random groups now? Helping this toxic and idiotic community? No thanks, i will rather raidlog then.
Yeah that is what most people don't see. When you are done gearing you just quit until next phase without gdkp. So it will be less raids than before. 😂
@@nyroku8580 So you screw over your guild by not raiding as soon as you get gear forcing them to fill your spot with either a pug or another guildies alt (or just another guildie) which then makes everyone else gear slower...
You guys are a problem
@@Skarduxd obviously we are not talking about guild runs :D If you are in a guild you have a loot council or something similar.
We are not your problem, we raid in pugs until we got our BiS and then log out. If you continue raiding in your guild for 8 more weeks until the last character got their loot that is your way. I don't gear up random pug raiders for free.
@@nyroku8580 "we raid in pugs" random pugs? Or guild runs with some pugs in them? Because if ur somehow "gearing up quickly" in random pugs (even with SR) then i would looooove to know your secret because thats just not a thing in classic. And if ur doing guild runs with a few pugs guess what? These pugs are LITERALLY there because of ppl like you...
And if ur a pug enjoyer then how is gdkp a good thing? Everyone was either raiding with their guild or going to a GDKP. Normal pugs literally died due to that...
@@Skarduxd gdkp pugs. Farm some gold while leveling or at 60 with the auction house, raid, buy your items or get gold every week when you don't win your Item. After some weeks you have your 2-3 items you need from molten core and can continue raiding every week for gold.
If I were in a softres pug and won my 2-3 items there is no reason for to even raid anymore when I am not in a parsing group or something where my goal is 99 logs.
Tbh never raided classic with 40 players, that group size is so dumb to Gear Up anyway. My experience is from wotlk/cata and SoD (where MC and ony are 20 Player raids). I was done after 4 weeks of raiding and logged out cause there was no gdkp, only softres. In wotlk and cata I raided the whole Phase and made some gold to invest for the coming phase.
Classic Vanilla is so easy you could even do MC and ony with 20 good people there cause Boss HP and DMG are not buffed like in SoD. With 20-30 players softres will be a lot easier to gear up but after you are done you can logout until BWL.
It is only a good change for everyone.
maybe they should do something about buying carries for aotc on retail one day, they've clearly enforced the no gdkps pretty god damn well in sod, so i'd like to see some of this ban effort on that side of the pond too.
Do a video of pros and cons of SoD players staying SoD versus rolling fresh Classic! Appreciate the consistent Classic content you put out on your channel. Cheers!
GDKP is what made me quit the game in first place, so that Blizz is banning GDKP on the new fresh servers is just great!
Banning gdkp on sod made alot more people to quit than you think.
Well, that does not change anything for me. GDKP feeds botting and goldbuying, and just that alone destroys the game.
I wish they would level cap dungeons as well so that 60s couldn’t boost lowbies anymore
They did in TBC classic at one point
I’m curious if they are eventually going to remove It in Era, that little “caveat” where they said “this is subject to change in era at our discretion”. Nonetheless, classic era population is going to take a hit.
Kinda random, were you Ebonhardt on Alliance Grobbulus in TBC?
No, sorry I wasn't! Someone else had the name! Atleast, if I recall correctly
@@EbonhardtTV That's okay :D They were a good friend. I watch your videos sometimes, and when I do they are great :) keep it up
What faction do ppl go for fresh classic?
i could honestly care less if there gdkps or not. theres pros and cons, blizzard isnt going to be strict on gold buying and botting. WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS TBC ERA if we are forced to wotlk again this whole thing is a waste of time and way too rushed. WE NEED PERMA TBC ERA
Never bought gold. Played Classic since launch in 2019 and retail before that. I couldn't give 2 shits if they ban GDKP, personally I think it's a good thing because there will be a lot less gold selling.
Good
Strongly dissagree.
The people who wants GDKP are mostly the people who dont actually "play" the game, and whom are heavily into either buying or selling for RL money. I know, cause I was actively part of this scene for a while.
And I honestly dont care to keep those people playing, at the expense of the entire economy, cause dont fool yourself, that is the effect it has. It demolishes the economy and inflates everything, and makes anyone who isnt bying gold, struggle to progress.
I you dont belive me, try making a new char on Whitemane, and see how progression feels, its horrid.
There is a reason the majority of players across any genre and any game absolutly hates "pay 2 win", and it is no different for Fresh Classic.
You hear the loud minority, wanting to buy the fast track to bis, but I guarentee you, that is the minority indeed.
Bang on. I can't help noticing all the streamers are coming out against this even as their own comment sections roast them for it.
Which makes sense. As you said, they're not actually playing the game. Their objective is to blitz through all the available content in a month or two before their audience gets bored and they need to move on to something else.
Thing is, there are games for which that format works - but WoW Classic ain't one o' those. The game isn't meant to be played at breakneck speed. If you're rushing to endgame and getting BiS geared as quickly as possible I'll go so far as to say you're playing the game wrong.
But if they don't play the game then please explain to me how era has become the way it is? If a majority of the people raiding and playing on era are doing GDKP then how can you say they don't "actually play the game"?
@@Croshiuz I was referring to streamers. I can't speak to folks on era running GDKPs as I stopped playing shortly after Classic rolled into TBC.
@@Croshiuz Getting carried by decked t3 ppl, and buying the loot with RL money, that they then sell back to ppl, is not playing the game. That is just that, paying to win.
The thing is, that once it starts on a server, you have to dip your toes in it, if you like it or not, cause the inflation on even the simple items on the server, goes up to a point, where normal players cannot follow.
I wouldnt be agains gdkp to this extent, if it wasnt due to the implications it has on the economy, mostly due to RMT.
Once you introduce RMT, it ruins the game for 90% of the players, and only benefits the 10% who lives off of it, either paaying 2 win, or selling the gold they make.
GDKP is all about RMT right now and blizzard knows this, also the harder the content the fewer GDKPs will exist cause they won’t be able to carry idiots that use RMT to spend 99% of the GDKPs gold share.
Problem is those few whales inflate 24 ppl with gold and thus erasing the economy little by little, and suddenly the entire server uses RMT gold that a few ppl bought and suddenly u need 100 000 for a flask and everyone has to RMT to get consumables cause they can’t farm it cause of millions of bots and can’t buy it cause prices are to high.
Why don’t they ban it on classic era too? Gdkp is one of the most depressing think to ever happen to wow, why they allow it it’s genuinely out of my understanding…
thanks for the video i plan on checking it out i think have you ever tried lord of the rings online it came out around the same time Wow did and its an interesting game and also has a similar classic mode its crazy how wow inspires other MMo
Wait how is this going to work ? Wouldn’t guilds or private groups still do it ?? How would they get banned.
Ofc there are some shadow gdkps going on. But the hurdle is still way harder when it comes to organizing since you cant advertise/talk about it at all in game and also you have to do some very weird stuff to distribute gold in order to circumvent blizzards gold buying detectors
Only creators complaining about this lol most of the players seem pretty happy about the change
Loud minority. Servers would be healthier with gdkp.
This is nothing but a GDKP rant. Enjoy if that interests you.
I think judging anything by CE or what CE players want is flawed. Cata: 120k players, SOD 84k players, CE? 17k. Much like HC this a population that wields a disproportionate amount of influence online.
I love GDKP. It's a really demanding atmosphere. People come on time so as not to get penalized. No need to kiss a guild's ass to show that we deserve our loot, no need to be present 24/7 to show that we deserve the best loot. No need to collect all the resources in the world to come optimized. In short, long live GDKP!
So honestly my personal opinion GDKP is not only issue with buying GOLD but as well with massive amount of only GDKP groups not a normal group for your alt… so how it looks you have to waste loots of time on your main if you don’t run those raids with your Guild to boost players lucking some items to boost gold buyers in raids so you can gear your alt … or you guy gold your self … and you want have time to farm gold if you do GDKP boosts… in 2019 classic I join ZG runs just for gold as a booster did I earn much not rly as people didn’t bet much when I was ready to boost for gold … so I had only main geared and my alt was only refining Deeprock salts ^^ as there was no normal runs going on now in SOD there is loots of random groups running MC BWL ZG and no GDKP I love my life in SOD!!
Idc about buying gold and idc about gdkps but it does suck
When those things influence prices and makes gathering for example less gold per hour for legit players
Problem? The problem is the streamers reying to push things the actual player base doesnt like
To all people thinking, there will be more raids 4 weeks into the phase without gdkp are just delusional. There are only gdkp raids in the looking for group channel because the players got their items and have no reason to raid anymore. With gdkp they would carry people for gold, now they just log out.
Like in sod there will be less raids and most pugs will hard reserve items and material.
We also had the test in SoD and there are still bots and there is still gold buying. GDKP was not the problem and you know that.
I was excited til I saw the ban, I have to fuckin work during the week…so I’m just forced to buy gold
No. You're really not.
Then don’t play if it’s that upsetting or play in version where GDKPs aren’t banned.
@@lancekilpatrick4824 but I want fresh
Banning gdkp's will have no practical effect on inflation. In fact, gold may become even cheaper to buy as players won't be hoarding as much for gdkp's. If anything banning gdkp's could increase inflation.
Can’t you just advertise in cities about a disc channel, get ppl in it and do the gdkp on disc so you don’t get banned in game?
GDKPS is why I quit classic. I refused to buy gold
Ye and they removed the /split so you can’t split on the gold buyers 😂😂
Oh no!!! They banned GDKP!!! Vanilla is such a trash game without GDKP's. It is DOA! It has always been the original developers dream to implement it as an official system. There will absolutely be no gate keeping to get in a GDKP without a big wallet. Eveybody is friendly and there is absolutely no connection between bots, RMT and GDKP. All hail GDKP's, the one true champion of Azeroth.
GDKP is not the problem, RMT and botting is and banning GDKP is just a bandaid "fix"
Gdkp ban is like taking out a mid level drug dealer. Banning bots and buyers is just arresting low level dealers and users.
It is not only about gdkp. The whole server economy get's screwed. So gdbk, be gone!
absolutely disagree gdkp as a new player makes you unaible to join raids because all the raids are gdkps if your not in a guild so if you're a class that can't farm well you have nbo choice but to buy gold to get gear fuck that shit let's pug it out boys and roll those dices
Nothing stopping you from making your own guild or joining one with like minded players.
@@MrJonHimself yeah but some of us have lives and dont want to raid every weeks and just want to raid from time to time and not every week at the same timelike every guild will want you to
If you like sr raids you likely don't bring much to the table and just want free loot for your bad performance. No sane person wants to carry you for free, thats why gdkp is so popular when it's allowed.
Jesus people complain about GDKPS they ban it people complain still.. makes no sense
gdkp brings life to the game
GDKP's are toxic af and im glad its gone. Impossible to get loot as a new player.
Im happy GDKP's havebeen banned. its kinda lame tbh, i rather just have normal raids.
amazed ppl are still amazed of this classic classic classic garbage again. have fun with bots
Now we have soft resing. it's all gucci.
Thanks to global ignore list for hide this 😅😅😅😅
Gdkp incentives gold buying and gold boting. Guild dkp is a better idea 100000%. Glad it’s gone ban all the bots next. 🎉
I’m so glad they banned gdkp, was soo annoying seeing a spam of gdkp’s in LFG chat etc… my personal opinion anyways. ☺️
Good. Streamers and sweaters burnt out on classic makes for a healthier community. If you have something to prove or want to gamble, look for other outlets
Elron BTFO'ed again.
NO for GDKP - Gj Blizz
Thank god no gdkp! Much better will gameplay!
what will stop the dungeon spam meta? who plays if you must spam dungeons to 60 xD
i hope they ban mage dungeon boosts too lol. İ never buy dungeon boosts i love world pvp but every people as my level are in dungeon afk leveling like bots
only 0.01% of players benefited from gdkp, there's more to the game than just that. what about other changes?
Once again treating the symptom and not the actual problem.
Ban buyers and sellers. Allow gdkp with legit gold. It’s really the only endgame activity for a geared char.
That would require Blizzard (upper management) to actually hire real GM’s.
You think a game like Classic that offers no source of revenue is going to hire enough GMs just so they have have GDKP? Lol
Once again bots is the problem
nice
No gdkp is the way to go, one of the best decisions they ever made. You seem to be disconnected from the community, those people that won’t play due to no gdkp’s really don’t like vanilla and can play retail or if they choose they can play dead fully progressed era servers. Keep this retail mindset away from classic.
This GDKP ban is mostly aimed at the private server audience (I played Pservers mostly) - on all major ones, GDKP is banned and currently, there is no good fresh vanilla project around (only Twow and that is a classic+ one) - hence blizzard doesnt want to capture the Era players (they have their Era servers after all) but tries to fill a gap in the market by attracting pserver players to official servers, whilst they work on Classic+ or whatever they are cooking up.
Well, no. Private servers really have nothing to do with it lol. The vocal majority asked for a GDKP ban in SoD because it works better in a fresh economy.
I still believe GDKP is best kept around for aged servers like Era. It’s the only reason Era isn’t desolate.
Yeah all the basement dwellers are going to be poor again lol
Remove debuff limit!
I glad they are baning gdkp but I'm still not going to play classic fresh. A raid full of warriors is boring to me.
If you want Pay 2 Win, go play Diablo Immortal and piss your wealth away there