American Class Hierarchy System
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In this video I deep dive into the true class hierarchy in the United States of America. The US is often thought of as a classless society, but in reality the public square is the battlefield of a jostling elite and counter-elite struggling for control of the nations' institutions.
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You articulate a very sensitive, very difficult topic in a way that is easy to grasp, eminently accessible, and exhibits more depth and grounding in the realities of the present day socioeconomic & political stife than I have seen most others who discuss it be capable of. Thank you for your work.
As a business owner that dropped out of college and couldnt deal with corporate life. I agree on the split. You either find your own way to capital or you align and find it that way. Both examples iv seen generate wealth in USA. I just could never work for "someone" i always had to be independent. Luckily i have a skill that is highly paid so it worked out
What do you do?
@superman10501 General contractor
hell yeah brother good shit. fuck a manager its just me and my clients
@WyattEmge I have a friend who's a general contractor. He just went homeless. So don't oversimplify the situation. U have connections.
@crosses101 yeah competing with me isn't easy.
I have always felt something was missing in social class schemes for the US. I couldn't figure out what it was, but I knew that something was off. This double peak model really addresses the unease I had. This is very cool. Way to go.
Nailed it. Most people are debating whether Haitians in Ohio are eating cats.
Racoons and cats there is not much difference. . . Racoons have better hands than cats. Chicken Bones are hollower.
Lmao fr
Haitians in Haiti are eating people lmao
You have to understand that in the debate pet eating was mentioned only to bring attention to Spring Field Ohio. If Trump spoke about it in a intelligent manor no one would would have paid any attention to the crisis. People are now looking into the problem in this town. 20,000 Haitian migrants have been placed into Spring Field mostly facilitated by the local mayor and federal government. (this is a town with only 60,000 residents) The issues are schools, medical, housing, town/govt service are stressed to the maximum. Just to get an idea. The school system has typical classroom over crowding with 10 to 20 non English speaking Haitian's in the classroom. Many of the Haitian students are over 18 years old taking 9th grade studies. So this is just a taste of what will happen to many towns in America if the current democrats are elected.
@@billdee814 There aren't even 20,000 Haitians in the entire State of Ohio. Please stop peddling this lie.
I found the comment about the institutional professional class serving the Ivy League class particularly interesting, because my industry is designed specifically to do that. I have worked for information and analytics companies (think: Bloomberg), went to state school, but am paid well. My customers have been investment banks, big consulting and large law firms. Also - while I peaked at "mid-senior" roles I have noticed that a level up from me the senior managers are almost always Ivy League elites hired into the company.
Yes, I realized after not too long in my career that once you got up close to the people who were making the easy money - large salaries, great benefits, great mobility plus extra consultancy or board gigs, etc., all those people were Ivy League and it was a club I was just not going to be admitted to.
@@zwatwashdcwhy not just do an Ivy League mba ?
Ceo of Walmart went to university of Arkansas. Or would Walmart be considered Anti elite new money group?
@@codeintherough Economically, elite of course. But class is more than economics which was the point of the book Class, by Paul Fussell. And it makes sense to me. I grew up very working class and economically lower middle. I make what people would call upper middle class money in a nice white collar environment but I can feel the differences socially.
@@codeintherough first these are not distinct groups with hard lines between them. There are gradients between the groups. Walmart is one of those cases where it straddles the line between establishment and counter.
Need a video on “elite overproduction”
Highly interesting topic that’s close to this video
I’ll add it to the list
Rome Rome, ancient rome
Only the establishment elite is overproduced, because our universities are designed to overproduce the establishment elite.
I went read about this on Google and still don't quite understand. It seems to say that too many "elites" are produced , the "institutions" can't absorb them which leads to social unrest, then later says that college student become progressive not because they went to college but because of unemployment a lack of jobs, which I take to mean jobs in their field that pay a decent wage. It seems to imply that society is instilling the ideals of a high quality of life in more people than it should. But from another angle you could just say under production of elite jobs. If being a software developer for instance is considered elite and I mention this job because of the huge layoffs and it's commonly known they make six figures. But there are many software developers who work freelance and earn very well or even create startups that employ more people.
So this overproduction under production thing is a natural part of the economy and technological development as old jobs become obsolete and new jobs are created.
It's not like the old days where there could only be one Duke over an area. We can create whole new domains and become the king of that domains
Or maybe I don't know what the hell I'm talking about
Currently doing a media literacy workshop and was struggling on how to explain the American class system and how that affects money, access to media, and what media gets funded. This video plus the "Old Money" Video is such a lifesaver. Most of the media literacy dialogue I've reviewed is completely void of this important factor or just barely reviews it, so I'm immensely thankful. Thank you!!!
You're welcome
You’re doing s workshop on something you don’t understand, classic
I have worked in a public transit agency (union job, pays well) for 24 years, but I started my own asphalt business four years ago. I have one foot in each tower. This diagram very well describes what I observe.
I hope to break out of my institutional job and make it to the successful business owners class.
Crazy how the Ivy Leagues filter heavily for compliance. Almost, if not more than competency. You gotta grind for the SAT, perfect GPA, have all these extracurriculars etc. They want you to be competent, of course, but they also want to ensure you are someone who knows how to obey the rules so you don't break their system. Same logic applies to becoming a doctor.
It's the same in "big tech" companies. The interview process imply that you are extremely compliant as they make you go through the most ridiculous of hoops and you need to work very hard to pass interviews that are completely unrelated to what you will be doing. They filter for psychometric traits more than skills, compliance (called agreeableness) and mental stability being the top 2 in my opinion, I think your remark is spot on.
Well I’d most certainly hope they’d screen out any would-be doctors who have a propensity for breaking rules and not following procedure/guidelines backed by clinical evidence… But I get where you’re coming from.
This should be taught in school. It would make the future much more intelligible to young people who need to make hard decisions about student loans, etc. They should first target their ‘box’ then narrow it down to skills they need to succeed int that box.
Politicians get millions after only having 100k salary. 🤔
insider trading is part of their benefits 😂
They are femininely establishment elite or a lower wrung on the pyramid that has establishment elite at the top. They had to kiss up to the rich and powerful to get there.
*definitely
Speaking fees are mint… 😂
And one of the only government employees that vote their own raises!!
Happy to have found you while you're on the come up
Class analysis is a powerful tool for understanding the world. It's great to see someone applying it to the actual modern day classes instead of brainlessly trying to make modern facts fit obsolete theory.
I'm a new big fan of yours because you have fresh logical ideas about how our society really works.
Thanks for the kind words
Underclass = Oppressed decay of Capitalism. The unemployed. Underemployed. They depend on the financial support of others for survival. Homeless fit into this category. I’d put this number as about 20%-30% of the population.
Working class = The Working poor with no access or limited access to capital/equity. Anybody who lives from paycheck to paycheck. Anybody without at least 50-100k in liquidity or equity. I’d put this as around 50-60% of the population.
These two groups interchange quite fluidly. It is very easy to drop from working class to underclass and vice versa. These two groups are the backbone on which capital derives it’s wealth from, aka productive laborers.
So true.
But there’s multiple layers
Working class.
Upper working class- skilled labours - Mechanics, self-employed or blue/pink collars owners.
Middle working poor- semi skilled. Waiters/retails, apprentices, assistant to mechanic/hairdressers.
Working Lower class - cleaners, labours, seasonal labour- with some government assistance
And the underclasses is also apart of the working class.
But there upper underclass is completed government assistance but it’s temporary accommodation.
Lower underclass is homelessness.
I'm in rhe middle path.
Boring 9-5 middle class job.
Save 50% of my income and put it to work in the stock market.
Trying to F. I. R. E my way out of the system to have the freedom to work rather than the obligation to work.
@@e.t.theextraterristrial837 the only way out of it is through inheritance. Inflation has completely destroyed any chance of people saving or budgeting their way out of this misery. It’s just work to survive now. Work to exist. Absolutely insane how bad it’s gotten
Agree the bottom half of classes are losing their boundaries and are really just debt slaves
@@e.t.theextraterristrial837 idk what F.I.R.E. means but may I ask gore much you make that you're able to dedicate half your income to the stock market?
Great video, I am really enjoying this series.
As another viewer commented, elite overproduction is an interesting symptom that occurs within the established elite. What is the cause? Wealth pumps (ie, using a serf based economy to create substantial wealth) created large swaths of highly educated elite aspirants. A certain % of these elite aspirants are frustrated by their lack of ability to earn the crown of becoming an "established elite". Such individuals become counter revolutionaries and attempt to dismantle the very same system they attempted to dominate in, hence the extremities we've seen in radical right and left (more so left, in this case) wing political groups. "End Times" by Peter Turchin touches on this concept with great depth using historical data. A fascinating read!
Love this video. One thing of note is that the counter elite and the right side of the dynamic represent the salt of the earth millionaires and occasional self-made billionaires who usually reside outside of major metro coastal cities and reject a globalist worldview. These people usually have their wealth tied up into physical assets and old economy businesses and in my personal opinion, have social views more in line with working class people. This is why figures like Trump who while a billionaire, has most of his wealth in real estate and construction and has social views in line with workers of that industry.
The cryptocurrency traders must also count as new counter elite. Would I be making a leap to say that the counter elite got rich in more of a genuine free market, while the establishment elite rely on educational credentials, connections, and regulations?
I think this perfectly encapsulates the current political polarization and left/right divide
I would love for you to elaborate on some more specific examples in the Counter Elite Class and things Establishment Elites do to minimize Counter Elite legitimacy and numbers. Very interesting overall.
I’m praying on your success OG your videos are killer
Thanks for the kind words and support.
@@AFNick 😈👅👌🏻👈🏻🥹👉🏻👈🏻
So where would a police officer (or nurse) that has a bachelors degree from a state school and makes $135k-140k a year (with a lot left over) be at on this hierarchy?
Middle class with option to move into institutional professional class
Very insightful theory and analysis. More strikingly, I found that China (where I lived for the past 20 years) is the only other country that fits this model very well. If you replace "Ivy League Class" with "985/211 Class" and "Establishment Elite" with "CCP Ruling Elites," you get the perfect replica of this double-peak class structure in China.
Many people assume that China is the polar opposite of the US in every single aspect. But in reality, China is like the mirror image of the US. Both societies are characterized by colossal power distances (China even more so than the US). Chinese people generally have a pretty accurate idea about how their society works (they would agree with your class structure). In contrast, Americans tend to have little idea or a romanticized view of the US class system.
Makes perfect sense.
Do you have any good book recommendations that goes further into America's class hierarchy? Sounds very interesting. Also, wouldn't the counter-elite become the new established elite once they toppled the old elite? Then the system starts all over...
Class, by Paul Fussell is a great book on the subject.
yes, thats what happened when the WASPs were taken over by the Jewish elites and the new money, your seeing it again with foreign tech bros trying to gain power
Fantastic, Nick! You’re the first person I’ve heard who has talked about the lack of critical thinking and conformity among the Ivy League class. I’ve always been dumbfounded by how people who are meant to be the most intelligent crop of our country end up being so simple minded-good at what they’ve been trained to do but little else…
Question: do you think something has flipped in modern society where the Ivy League class has taken over the social and political power that the Establishment Elite once held through the technology of the internet and of social media? I ask because I don’t think the establishment elite are really interested in pushing the woke ideology you mention…I’ve actually seen it the other way around, where the youth of the establishment elite are learning and taking on the narrative and worldview of the Ivy League class because it’s what they need to do to get along in their peer group and society at large. From my personal experience, even just being a moderate on a college campus or in a major city in the US is enough to mark you as a bit of a pariah. And as you said, the establishment elite play the long game of going along to get along.
If so, do you think the culture can or will flip back to establishment elite control? Or do you see a presidential run like RFK Jr’s as a sign that the establishment elite are willing to commit class treason by crossing over to the realm of counterculture elite as a way to regain power and stabilize society. At what point does the counterculture become the establishment again?
Good questions. I’ll answer them in a future video
the Ivy league is simply all the elites kids, it was always created by the elite for the elite to rule. thats why what they call 'thinking' courses History, Philosophy, Theology, Literature are taught while the masses at state colleges were given technical skills that would lead them to a better job, german-americans tried to add more for the masses but they were taken out of real political power in america by ww1 and completely destroyed after ww2
Another banger, looks like you’re in the pocket bro. Keep going!😎
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there is plenty of intermingling between establishment elites and counter elites. This happens at all levels of this chart. all of these tiers have some degree of class consciousness between themselves their financial and material counterparts
Hey great video, just a quick question. How come you didn't add any separation between the "Independent Professional Class" and "Successful Business Owners"? I personally feel like that's a particularly difficult stage to get to from the previous stage.
It’s difficult but attainable at a probability high enough not to have a gap.
GREAT VIDEO!!! Your insight is soo good. will have to spread your ideas
Awesome! Thank you!
You may be interested in the Network State from Balaji.
Doing an amazing job!
Thanks
I'm impressed nice take.
This is actually pretty accurate.
_"...This is a theory not a hardline fact..."_
If I am reading you well, I think you meant to say, "This is hypothesis, not a law."
Knowledge is supposed to go from:
Art -》Hypothesis -》Theory -》Law
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Good vizualisation, this is tightly coupled to more global human taxonomy, i.e freemasonry and other groups. Conceptually the split between establishment and the independant working class is quite unique to the west and a few other countries where you can potentially have the opportunity to raise your status a little.
Bottom line is that the established elite holds a lot more wealth and power than the opposite side, and letting the other side grow some level of power is also often to their advantage since it allows them to grow further by aquiring things and injecting/forcing their philosophies inside the companies that are initially created by the "counter elite". (I would almost draw a one sided arrow that goes from the counter elite to the established elite to showcase this). Typically my mental model involves iterator vs creators, where creators here would be the counter elite (i.e potentially innovative people). The establishment needs a few of these people to create things, i.e phones etc etc and can then hijack everything that comes out of these inventions. Iterators here would be the underlying classes, who simply help the wheel go round and get along with the program, on whichever side.
EDIT: to further explain the split I think it would be interesting to take a look at the psychometry of members of both sides, typically you would find that people on the establishment side are usually very agreeable, this is a trait they filter for since they dont want people that are disrupting the mold. This is why I said that the establishment benefits from the counter elite, (which only exists because the establishment allows it) the establishment lets disruptive people build things without having to deal with them, and once the things are build they simply buy it or infiltrate it and hijack it (think big tech). That way they don't risk their position and just gain more power, also increasing the illusion of an advesary class.
Strong agree on the idea of “diversity” covering up the homogeneity of the establishment.
Wow, I have been saying this for months, although much less articulately. Thank you.
Great Video!
Amazing video! Grew up surrounded by established elite and always felt a white collar “vibe” mixing snobbery with etiquette from simple things such as knowing cursive to where you vacation. Meet counter elite people that had a blue collar “boot strap” vibe both the same in connection but a distinction in spending. Counter elite imo believe their children can forge their own path with established they often create another “copy” of them by holding their children’s hand metaphorically through life.
If I were lower middle class or in lower socio-economic class, I would do whatever I could to move to Europe. I think Europe does a better job of catering to these classes than the US. That being said, as I am now retired and was a member of the "Institutional Professional Class" (according to your classification system), that puts me in the upper middle class socio-economic system. I think people in the upper middle class and upper-class socio-economic classes fare better in the U.S. (i.e. savings and investment portfolios, etc.).
Agreed on both points
Thank you
The last part , you nailed it 👏
Thanks
Surplus distribution and management is a growing field. Communication is key to education of the 'elite' WHOs in the class. 2 sometimes makes 3 given enough space time and training. Chose carefully 😉
Very insightful. Thank you for sharing.
Worry not about your class. The Lord will judge us all equally.
Two parties fighting setting traps and defacing one another
In this chart, where would you place healthcare workers such as dentists, optometrists, physical therapists, midlevel providers, and nurses? Would they be in the Institutional Professional Class?
Middle class or professional classes depending on role. Those with their own practice can be in the independent professional class and top doctors in both categories can be Ivy League or successful business owner class.
@@AFNick Thank you so much! My mom is a dentist who co-owns her own practice with other dentists, so this helped me understand where my family stands better
Debt based, manipulated, controlled fiat monetary systems are a major force in perpetuating fossilized class structures
I thought there is always disruptions caused by new technology or political systems, wars, etc. How can Ivy league class keep their class alive for generations?
I will be going into the Ivy League in a future video
Great video!!!
Thanks
Oh man, I stayed all the way to the end to hear examples of counter elite taking on the establishment elite. Would one example of that be October revolution? Where boyshevik took over Russian empire from Romanovs.
No. See my video on class structure in authoritarian societies for more on that. A better example of counter elite taking on elite is Reagan Revolution in late 70’s/early 80’s in the USA
This is good stuff!
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@@AFNick You should definitely create a video series to explore each social class group in greater depth.
It looks like there is s disconnect between the 'base' and the 'estsblished elite'.
Great video
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Amazing analysis!
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I love your videos Nick. Did you make the hierarchical chart or is it from a book? Can you recommend a book comparing the establishment elite and the counter elite?
I made the chart myself. There’s not a single source (or even type of source) that generated my theories on this, but A book to start with is Old Money by Nelson Aldrich.
I see it mostly the same way. Classism (ie wealth) underlies all other political discourse
I define slavery as having to work hard for money. People who love what they do, don’t work hard. People that are afraid to die, still have to work.
I don’t define conformity as a place of wealth. I obviously belong to the rebellious pyramid. Money is great but it isn’t everything.
Well done! Love the video
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Excellent video
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You’re like an older Rudyard Lynch
That's funny. My channel's first popular videos were my critiques of him for being too doomer.
so then if you're in the working/middle class, but are still dependent on the state, what class are you?
Are you referring to government employees or those who supplement income with social welfare assistance?
@@AFNick the 2nd one
@@Lachronix you are at the bottom in the dependent class.
The feathers are pulled off those BELLOW to feather 🪶 the nests above is the general practice as those above dehumanize those below. There are many economic models in communities. When upper offices fall to corruption all under them suffer under the bribbing groups
I’ve got to disagree. Taken too literally this sort of analysis just turns in to right wings entrepreneurs: good vs leftist globalist pencil pusher elites: bad. Entrepreneurship and some businesses like finance certainly inculcate cultural values but I don’t think this is different from how going through med school or getting a phd does. Class importantly implies a degrees of status inheritance so to say these are separate classes we would need to see that “elites” and “counter elites” form separate marriage markets which primarily stay within their own group. At least in the Bay Area where we have a lot of wealthy people who belong to both groups this is not the case. Often a single extended family will have something like a professor, a tech entrepreneur, a doctor, and someone with a small finance related company. Wealthy people in rural areas might genuinely be a separate class group but they are much less numerous than urban elites and it’s to be expected that rural/ natural recourse economies will have different structures.
You are legendary
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Amazing
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Your relationship to capital is the decisive determining factor of your socio economic status under western capitalism. Your capital generates your income of which you live off of, which in turn is fed off the labor which are paid slave wages (always as low as possible).
To go from working poor to this is close to impossible.
Now there are actually classes between the capitalist class. Not everybody privileged to be in this group is in the same socio economic position.
on point
Progressive taxation, at the top end of the class spectrum, slow down upward mobility.
Yes, divide and conquer the population
I took the right pyramid
This was good
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Not sure led on it but it’s interesting.
I do not agree that because a person is successful independent of the traditional establishment that they are countering, or adverse, to the traditional establishment. Instead, I believe that they go their own way to be successful but they're not necessarily counter to the establishment, or adverse to the establishment. It's just that they may have figured operating outside the establishment, or going their own way, was actually the quicker way to achieve success, so that's what they did.
Yes, but they have to be aware (or they will become aware) that they are a danger to the ruling institutional elite. Their wealth protects them, but that is all. On the other side whole systems and institutions isolate their members from harm. The greatest danger for those in the left column is the horizontal policing of their own class. Step out of line and you may find yourself ostracized. And since many of these people are only successful due to their class membership, this is a fate worse than death.
Dave Ramsey comes to mind as counter elite.
So this is just about old money vs new money. Old money used to be New Money. And Old Money sometimes falls to the middle class like Vanderbilts
That's a fairly ignorant statement about the Vanderbilts. Go to their Wikipedia page right now and start clicking on the blue links of their descendants. Many married off. A massive amount of their descendants worked as chief executives, entertainment stars, and political movers and shakers.
At one time they were the richest family in the world. Now do they have some well off members? For sure, but the majority are middle- upper middle class.@coreygossman6243 @@coreygossman6243
Would be good to add geographical dimension here
I might do that for future videos
Would you say that people trying to get into IB or consulting are all on the left side?
I am at the university and can’t see myself being in the corporate world. Always have stuck to doing something on my own even though it might bring in less cash at first (compensated by loving what I do)
What is your take on this? Do you think some people are just not made for corporate life?
Yes they are on the left side unless they work for more boutique companies or are self employed.
I think that personality type greatly impacts the success and enjoyment of a corporate career versus entrepreneurial pursuits. I generally think that college grads should get 3-5 years in corporate America to learn ropes of an industry while getting paid to do it. After that, you should have enough time/experience to decide if corporate is for you or what you need to do to go on your own.
Are you middle class if you work a working class job but own alot of money and have a payd off house/ dont rent?
It depends if you have enough money to never have to work or not, and if you own your own business. Depending on those factors, you can be as high as the "successful business owner" class.
You make good content, if you work on your speech craft you can go far.
You really need to add the caveat that your diagrams or not to scale. The bottom of your pyramid/towers is much larger than the tops.
It has always been a class war
You have missed the tribe that is on top of the pyramid. What a cohencidence.
AI is going to put the majority of people into the dependent class.
Why burn it down and tear it up to gain what by destroying the communities abilities is something most military organizations are used to taking by force what they can not produce anymore
Brlliant
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This video best watched at 1.75x speed.
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Class, or caste?
Class. America doesn’t have a caste system fortunately
divide and conquer
Cut the pauses from your video
I've done that with the newer videos.
P.Diddy Story being told here
is this system 🤔 sustainable for development and is it natural . 🤔 i think something similar is happening in south Africa the old money crushes and exiles new money when it does not fall in line, is there any way people in the middle class can take advantage and capitalize. and if this is not a good system what are the alternatives
You're correct. Don't forget who you are ever. And be careful. Know it or not. You're really woke by the real meaning. Being able to see through the games and figure out the real operations.
How is this displayed with our current two political adversaries running for president?
Historically the elites are split, but in 2016 Trump polarized them to the point that Democrats represent establishment column on the left and GOP represents counter elite on the right.
@@AFNick Excellent, thank you.
I personally know some very dumb people who went to ivy leauge schools
You kept saying prokaryot. I think you meant to say proletariat class.
I meant precariat
@@AFNick I had to look that term up. Didn't know there was such a term for a class of people who were insecure in their social mobility. Very good use in your video of the term.
@@Marva123 For context, think Elizabeth Warren supporters. She tends to be the left’s “voice of the precariat”.
Is Elon Musk establishment elite or counter elite? 🤔
Counter elite at this point.
@AFNick all his wealth has been dependent on government largess/subsidises/contracts.
@@modestproposal9114 He was part of the club until he defected in early 2020’s for personal reasons
@AFNick for 'personal reasons'! Doesn't that rather negate your class analysis? Exactly which of those government contracts has he given up?
It really does resemble a pyramid scheme