LeBron Reflects on His Decision to Leave Cleveland for Miami | THE ODD COUPLE
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker react to LeBron James, who spoke on his decision to join the Miami Heat and why he left Cleveland at the time. Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss how many championships LeBron potentially could've won if he stayed in Cleveland.
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LeBron not only publicly admitted he went to the Heat win championships but to also get past teams like Boston and Detroit. He'd be extremely lucky to win 1 if he stayed
It's b/c of his somewhat bizarre 1 + 1 < 2 skillset.
Lebron likes to score and yet not steady at shooting so he drives to the rim a lot, which then collides with his C / PF teammates that play in the paint. So he drives to the rim for easy / fastbreak points or kicks out to perimeter teammates to take tougher long range shots. If you are Love or Bosh then bad luck for you as you'd have to vacate the low post positions and move to the perimeter and wait for a pass from Lebron. If you play with him you have to sacrifice your game to fit his. Not a whole lot stars wanna do it.
@@TellenJonesStars didn’t want to play with Kobe either. Look how he did Dwight. Dwight went on to become a champion with LeBron.
@@TellenJonesthis is facts. He always gets credit for making his team mates better but people just forget that Bosh and Love had to complete overhaul their game to accommodate LeBron.
@@IAMvonte-2518Dwight won with LeBron AND AD in a shortened season. Any other season and AD would've been injured and they don't win that Championship. When Dwight went with Kobe there were different expectations of him.
@@IAMvonte-2518 Personally I think CP3 didn't have an issue playing with Kobe but the trade didn't go through. He was somewhat disappointed it didn't happen
If you’re old enough you remember the commercials with Kobe and Bron and they called him the ‘King with no rings’. That 09 year verse Dwight and Hedo Turkuglu was set up for Lebron so the pressure was on after that. That’s why he left.
Lebron showed up in that series. He averaged 38 8 and 8. He was gonna have to average a 40 point triple double to beat them.
I think that is the year Lebron realized thw deck was stacked and convinced himself roids was the only way out. How many of those Magic starting lineup got popped the next year for roids?
In history of the world, every king has always had jewelry and war victories. He went to Miami, won but fell short with 2 rings. Two rings in Miami was a group effort but he got credit. Dude is just insecure from his status because his winning process is flawed.
People act like that don’t remember that. That’s how I don’t see how people have him over Kobe wade even came out and said they had to join together just to beat Kobe .
@@k-way8471 Big facts
Wade slipped up and said after watching Kobe Bryant win his 5th NBA championship ring, he shut the tv off and called LeBron James and asked, "what are you gonna do"? He was sittin' there with ONE ring and LeBron had ZERO rings! So the whole James, Bosh to Miami was Kobe-inspired and he's still short a ring (Magic, Kobe, Duncan 5 rings) despite WS - walking and stacking!
@@samjon6403idk most all NBA teams every most points ever 4 MVP idk why there hyping him up
To their side of the argument, it can be argued they could have had 3 early rings if they played with prime SHaq too. Kobe is 2 for 3 without Shaq, 2 FMVP out of his 5 rings(and a strong argument Pau should have won 1 of those FMVPs). So it can be argued Wade needed 1 more as the star and 1 more FMVP to be on Kobes level and Bron is hard to pin because he basically has all of his with superteam ups that we fault Kobe for with playing with prime Shaq. Obviously Wade, AD,Bosh,Kyrie, Love aren't near prime Shaqs level, but Wade, and AD are not that far down the all time greatest talents list.
For me, getting those 3 early rings with prime Shaq was a blessing and a curse for kobe. Teaming up hurt not only LeBrons case, but it erased DWades case. DWade got his ring with a rapidly in decline Shaq and old stars. Trust me, when LeBron plays with former superstars around the same age, they say they were too old and dismiss it as help for LeBron(Dont forget G6 against Boston, Shaq as leBrons teammate outplayed LeBron, hell even Big Baby outplayed LeBron. Bron was like the 6th best player on the floor).
DWade won FMVP in Jordanesque fashion. Obviously the Heat were at a point of rebuilding and going through some bad years with some injuries to Wade, but i think if they signed Bosh and some strong role players, and a good backup and some load management for Wade, Wade could have carried the Heat to possibly 2 more as the star. Remember he was the best player on the Heat against the Mavs loss. He had the Mavs number, and if you replaced Bron with another good all star to do the dirty work, i can see Miami winning. OKC is a dub too with Miamis vets just outplaying the kids.
In Kobes arguement, if he didnt play with Shaq, he'd have way better career stat totals and stat chased like young LeBron too and proved he could carry bums pre Gasol post Shaq, but both with same results-no rings.
So I guess it was Wade's fault?
That's dumb because they was losing in the east not to the west
If only LeBron had prime Shaq on his team right away. Maybe he would've won more. These ring counting debates are so pointless.
Why is it that Lebron has a hard time giving anybody some credit. What’s wrong with being thankful to those who helped you along the way🤷🏽♂️
He is a classic narcissist
He definitely do! he said going to Miami helped him A lot but lebron definitely was still gonna be lebron no matter where he played
Because he’s a extreme level narcissist.
If y’all knew the work that man put it to be the man he is today y’all would understand, I wouldn’t want nobody telling me I wouldn’t be the man I am today either if I put the work that man put in, Lebron been dat dude, it’s has nothing to do with being thankful or a narcissist, it’s about downplaying his greatness because of where he went, like he said he would of been him wherever he was, he might not have won as many championships, but I’m pretty sure he would of each every other accomplishment
Sucks Kobe didn’t get CP3 and it was Mavs/OKC/Spurs vs Miami
Cause boy! Kobe wins it’s a different topic today
If Lebron didn’t go to Miami he would’ve been another Karl Malone because they both couldn’t deliver and they were great players.
Stop it
Karl Malone had one of the best point guards ever most his career and didn’t win though.
@@datsapaddlin yeah that’s true and MJ is part of the reason why he didn’t win but Malone fail to deliver when the game was on the line
Bro you do know that Lebron has two championships outside of Miami right?
@@jaydot4956LeBron doesn't learn how to win a championship without Miami. Or have we all just conveniently forgotten 2011?
The move to Miami is for him to have an easy ride. An almost allstar starting five and a great bench. A sure trip to the nba finals.
so chalmers and haslem are allstars now lmao
Noooo having lebron on your team 11 -18 was sure trip to the finals ..same with Jordan 91-98
For that long of a span it wasn't just lebron and it wasn't just jordan. You can make more of a case for lebron, because we never saw jordan even win above 40 games without pippin. But they both needed help to dominate majority of those years. @@kevintowns9552
@@kevintowns9552weak ass eastern conference? Do you even know who their toughest competition is during that time? Outside of the ageing Boston Celtics the next biggest threat is Pandemic P’s Pacers. That was it
@@kevintowns9552not at all
Once he left Cleveland he left the GOAT conversation.
Not necessarily leaving Cleveland but creating a super team in Miami and then Cleveland and then Los Angeles, he left the GOAT conversation.
@@rd2783that's dumb logic... lol
Correct ! The moment he decided to team up with a top 5 player and top 15 player from his same conference, he took himself off that race.
He’s still the goat
@@jacobmays9103 goat of flopping right ?
Well that Miami move not only got him first ring, but his brand became even bigger and his net worth grew significantly off the court as well. This move is kinda how his inner circle became millionaires. I would take Miami weather over cold ass Cleveland any day
And then people in Miami complain about it being hot and humid all year to the point they spend a boat load on their electric bill thanks to the air conditioner. Not to mention flooding and hurricanes. Miami weather is not Southern Cal
Bron is telling on himself.
He didn’t believe he could win in Cleveland, he knew he had to join Wade and Bosh in order to win. Without those 2 rings in Miami, what would Bron be?
It’s all reason why a lot of people will never put him over Mike, and not even Kobe for some. Rob is right, Bron sold himself short, most likely because of all the pressure.
No player in history would have won with that 2010 cavs roster
@@dparks2856But he won with the 2016 roster. It was not impossible for Cle to get a squad, Bron just got scared.
@@SojiFro_0Adam Silver won with Cleveland's roster.
@@dparks2856Fym they won 61 games & were #1 in the league. They won 66 games in the prior season.
Nobody with 6 Finals losses is better than Kobe.
Chris if you think he would have had 4 championships without Miami you are out of your mind 🤣🤣🤣
If he went to the Spurs or Bulls?
@@dparks2856He wasn't going to either team.
@@melvinhhcp3615
He would have won with Spurs or Bulls
@@dparks2856 No cap space for Bron in San Antonio. He ain't winning in Chicago without Jordan.
@@melvinhhcp3615 he may have had a shot with the Bulls. D Rose may not be as inured if he didn’t have to carry the team offensively and run himself into the ground.
Chris 3 or 4 chips? He's played all over the place and only has 4 Championships. There's no way he would have won four championships in cleveland he would have been lucky to get one like he did years later
If LeBron was as great as MJ could he not help develop his pippen through the draft and win in Cleveland. The east was already weak at that time. We never know what could have happened. That's why l don't agree that he would never win 4 rings in Cleveland. Never say never with the injury bug. LeBron just chose the path of least resistance.
Pippen was basically a lottery pick. Cavs would never get a pick that high because the difference between Lebrons pre miami and Jordan pre pippin is it only took Bron 3 years and the cavs we're already getting 50 wins and becoming a "good" team. Mike couldn't even reach 40 wins until pippen was drafted. @@hanspatmpouma1183
Thank u he’s a Lebron protector
@@hanspatmpouma1183who on those cavs teams had the potential to be Scottie Pippen??? Daniel Gibson? Anthony Parker? Sasha pavlovich? Name me just one player.
@@hanspatmpouma1183Even if he did find his Pippen he still wouldn't have that championship pedigree yet as was evident in that Mavs series
He’s a narcissist and a coward.
Always running whenever the going gets tough!
That’s why he’s not the goat and that debate is played out and media fed
Lmao. This is definitely true. Also this is why I don't see how people can like him as a player other than the people from Cleveland and obviously the team he's playing for.
Like how can you be a fan of a guy that ups and leaves everytime it gets tough.
That’s what makes jordan career like a Disney movie. He went through the hardships, he missed out a season, he went through the bad boys, he had to get stronger, had to perfect his jumper, had trust his teammates more… and once he and the bulls got to the top there was never looking back down
He took the short cut to win championships to artificially inflate his resume.
He barely won 2 in Miami with a Super Team! Shot out to Ray Allen
Who gives a s*** he won? That's what matters with the Miami heat. I don't care how he won. He won
WtF is barely?
@@beery6659
Ray Allen didn't even score in game 7
@joceja23uhh Jordan not necessarily because they weren’t elimination games lol
@@beery6659yeah Greg Pop took Duncan out the game and that’s what really cost them that title because Bosh got that rebound. Anybody with common sense know the Heat was fortunate that’s why they got whooped the very next year
Lebron is BLESSED he never went against Kobe in an NBA finals. If he had there never would've been a GOAT argument made for him. Kobe would have TORCHED HIM. D Wade said he and LeBron teamed up to beat Kobe and again in the Redeem Team doc you see first hand that without Kobe that team wouldn't have won. Wade and LeBron were out clubbing and Kobe was in the hotel gym training. To me LeBron hasn't passed Kobe all time so comparing LeBron to Jordan is like comparing a Lamborghini to a F1 car. Yes they're both incredibly fast but one is just a step above.
" Jordan never asked to draft a player, beg for a player, trade for a player " - Jerry Krause
No one would ask for anything if they had 2 HOF teammates, a HOF coach, & there's no other big 3's to deal with in the league lmao. Jordan aint special in that regard.
@@jon401 They weren't hall of famers before they were drafted and hired by the Buls.
@@jon401 And no, Lebron did not form Superteam to beat the past their peak big 3 Celtics, it was to beat Kobe , Dwayne Wade confirmed it.
No hall of famer was a hall of famer before they were drafted and played an nba game lol what's your point. @@onidtubes
whether it was kobe & pau, the celtics big 3, the thunder big 3, or the spurs big 3 the point is jordan didn't have to worry about any of them because he had his own big 3. @@onidtubes
He would have won 1 at most. He needed help and the best help he was getting in Cleveland was Larry Hughes. Can’t even say he would’ve still won the one in 2016 because we would’ve never got Kyrie if he stayed.
But he still would of joined a good team in free agency…during that time he was considering joining the knicks, heat or bulls i beleive…either team he would of chose would have got him a ring…bulls had d rose, knocks had melo
It’s been HARD, because he can’t play without the ball & THAT is hard for other players to get into rhythm. ESPECIALLY good/great players!
The LeBron Era isn't even the LeBron Era. It maybe Steph"s 😲 😱
😂😂😂😂😂
its not a maybe, it is Steph's. I don't want to hear anything about Durant because Lebron had Wade and Bosh and still LOST
I mean idk from 2010 to 2020
Curry has 3 rings, 2 MVPs, 0 FMVP
LeBron has 4 rings, 2 MVPs, 4 FMVP
Matchup Curry beats him 3-1
It’s close but I still give it to LeBron
There was no Lebron era
It went from Kobe to Steph
@@NNOutBurger_Gaming I agree with you but we must take their Era and match em not just 10 years. Either way though, its.going to be close.
@johnthonig1692
Lol
As a basketball fan everybody knows Tim Duncan ran him out of Cleveland because the Spurs swept them! And if he never left Cleveland would’ve never gotten Kyrie Irving! Then what?
Not that simple tbh. He might not have gotten kyrie but if bron stays in cleveland the whole league drafts and trades differently. Cavs record was always pretty good after his 3rd year, but there would be a chance they would draft lower first and high second round guys that turned into stars like Giannis, Paul george, Kawhi, Lavine, Derozen etc.
He got bounced out the second round before he dipped to MIA. It would’ve been more of the same if he didn’t leave Cleveland.
So he wouldn’t have broke through and won with any other team???😂 that’s like saying Jordan could only win with Scottie pippen…
@@Bmotivated94 if he didn’t leave Cleveland it would’ve been more of the same. I know you can read
@@Bmotivated94he lost with a prime wade and bosh and got outplayed by a bench player 😂😂😂
LeBron is the GOAT of hypothetical situations
💯💯💯💯💯,heat 😢
LeBron waa always destined to great player because he had both the opportunity & he put in the work.
However, he can't dismiss his time in Miami because that's where he learned how to become a champion & also where he played the best defense of his career.
Lastly, I vividly remember Bosh saying that he was interested in going to Cleveland, but he knew LeBron wasn't going to stay. Cleveland also got practically everyone on his wishlist. LeBron wanted Michael Redd, Larry Hughes, & a few other players. The Cavs landed Larry Hughes. The narrative that the Cavs didn't do anything to build a team around LeBron is utterly false & been false for years. Also, where is he gonna get thr extra 2 chips from Broussard? He won three chips with Super teams & the last one was under extremely peculiar situation. We might never see anything like it again in our lifetime & my 2020 Lakers were loaded.
Facts.
Bro when dafuq did LeBron ask for Michael Redd and Larry Hughes??? y’all Niggas just say anything
Facts!!!
they did everything lebron wanted by getting larry hughes has got to be the funniest thing I've read all day lol.... 14 ppg on 40% from the field in his cavs tenure is definitely the help he needed
@@jon401he played against Dwight and Jameer Nelson in the ECF and still lost. He just can’t admit that he needed super teams to get his rings. Not 1 All star but multiple and above average supporting cast.
Got all the records even the bad ones😂 5 k turnovers on the way 😂
🤣🤣😂😂Facts! Only superstar with 2 sweep in the finals, and he is tied for the most lost final games in NBA, which that is a 40 + year record. Lol!
@@tiawanamorton-johnson6517how many players have 10 straight trips to finals though? you gotta see the correlation of the the more u go to the finals, the more u have a chance to lose.
He will also break the record for most missed FG’s and FT 😂😂😂
Leturnover King
This is insane.... Who would Lbj would have beaten in the East to get to the Finals if he stayed on the Cavs? & remember they wouldn't have been bad enough to draft Kyrie ( I believe ).
2011) Boston big 4, Miami HEAT Wade, Bosh, Mike miller, Beasley & key role players since their cap would have been freed up,; The Bulls also. & then Dallas in the Finals.
2012) Then what about out West, Spurs & OKC... & out East, Boston, HEAT & Pacers.
2013) Out West, Spurs.... Out East, HEAT, Pacers & the Bulls. Even if the Cavs could have put a team around Lbj, do you really believe he would have beaten the Spurs (think back)???
2014) Out West SPURS! & Okc... Out East, Pacers & HEAT. Is Lbj beaten the Spurs??? We would never know.
2015) This is ALL Golden State. I'm not even going to go beyond this point.
Even if they did draft Kyrie, we all know that would have been a disaster because Kyrie would have no real reason to respect LeBron without those championships he had won in Miami. Kyrie would think that he's the teams savior.
They should have beaten the Celtics his final year. The following year had the Cavs added missing pieces to make up for losing Shaq, West, Big Z and Jamison (he was hurt the next year), then they could compete. We just don't know who those missing pieces would be.
The cavs couldn't sign anyone because Lebron didn't let the Cavs know if he was leaving or staying until the very last minute. I just find it funny how people act like Lebron is innocent. The Cavs had the best record in the NBA, they lost because Lebron underperformed against Boston while also playing zero defense.
The Cavs with a few added pieces could have beaten an aging Boston. After Boston you had the Derrick Rose Bulls and the Pacers.
@@MikeBNumba6
Nice post... You are not factoring in what Miami would have built & the teams coming out of the West.
Im a Bron fan, but how you gonna assume 3-4 rings with lesser rosters, when he got 4 with better surrounding casts? Come on now
It would be hard to say if the Western Conference Champions in each of his four years in Miami stayed the same. If they did, he might get one against the OKC Thunder. MIGHT. That's if he stayed in the Eastern Conference. It's quite possible that he doesn't make the Finals at all, if he went to the Western Conference.
I keep LBJ below Jordan because he got swept twice, surrendered two 2-1 leads and got gentlemen swept twice in the Finals. He has Finals record below .500. Jordan never allowed a game seven in the Finals. LBJ is still an all-time great. Just not the GOAT.
Not Top 15
Well said 💯
@joceja23 wade had star level years where he wasn’t considered a burden, he didn’t fall off a cliff after 2011. you could say he wasn’t as good as bron after 2011 and was a star player still in 2016.
Yeah but I can flip it and say it took Jordan until he was 28 to play in his first finals compared to Bron and 22. And it’s no debate that Jordan had by far the better coach than Lebron ever had. Best coach he had was Spo wasn’t the Spo he is today
@@h7887When did Jackson start coaching for the Bulls? What was his resume before Jordan?
Also, LeBron not having a consistant high level coach is his own fault.
Bron should never have been in the GOAT conversation. He's not even close to Jordan. I have him on my top 20 but definitely not in the top 5. This is just a narrative he created for himself. The dude always needs help 😂
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Wow Rob kept it realer than Unc this time! 😅
Liked the Reggie White and Green Bay point. I live in Wisconsin, there's nothing here for black people. Its real bad here when it comes to diversity, outside of Milwaukee you can go weeks at a time in Wisconsin not seeing another black person.
@@qamyasharahla8764 Diversify your friendship base then, fool. Looool poor you.
Wade said they linked up because of Kobe, not MJ. Without Miami, he'd have the Bubble and Draymond suspension rings.
"He tried to recruit, but no one wanted to play with him!" Please don't count that "bubble championship!" 😂 😂 😂
😂😂😂😂
How do Chris say Lbj went to team up for a championship but in the same breathe say he ain’t a ring chaser 😂. Man I tell you .
Fam... Ask LeBron who shut his ass down... Spurs versus Heat.. Klaw did that. How the Heck is LeBron better than Kobe????
When did kawhi shut him down?
Kobe always been better
Lebron shot 56% percent for that series. Kawhi must not have been guarding him enough if he was shutting him down because he still shot well.
This is disingenuous by Chris Broussard! He left Cleveland and joined forces with Wade and Bosh because “Kobe was winning all the rings,” in the words of Dwayne Wade. The media outlets have suppressed this statement Wade made because they want to keep LeBron ahead of Kobe. You cannot be in the GOAT conversation if you seek to make your path to the championship easier by playing with multiple allstars. There should be a penalty for that. What if all the other greats played with top 10 players most of their careers and played in an inferior conference? This goat debate has no merit!
No Chris, the Ls DEF hurt his legacy.
Time to stop talking about what Lebron did 14 years ago. So much more to talk about in the NBA.
It says a lot that he can't recruit players to play with him.
The first season with Miami when Dallas beat them, taught LeBron a lot and unlock his full potential. Without that learning curve, he wouldn't be the same.
There no GOAT debate, basketball hasn't been exciting so the media have to make up these stupid debate to make people interested. People comment more on this type than anything that happens in the NBA. This shows that you still have to mention MJ name for people be interested in basketball.
No superstar has ever gone to cleveland through free agency in the 53 years it's been a franchise. That's before or after bron. Has nothing to do with him, everything to do with the city and organization.
So with this logic, Mj needed pippen to learn how to win, and wouldn’t have won without him….
Ain’t nobody going to Cleveland 😂😂😂
speak english brother. @arnsmith4835
Rob P. Is the Man
See this is why Lebron has haters and why he isn’t well liked outside of his fanboys for saying stupid bs like this
Why?
Mr selfproclaimed never even surpassed Kobe... Not in championships and most importantly he never even surpassed him in the actual basketball game... And during his era an average sized guy drafted to maybe the worst team (prior him) established a whole dinasty by changing not just the sport but the whole league.
1 MJ
2 Kobe
3 Steph.
ALL TIME..
and I'm not sure if he even surpassed Duncan, or Kareem or Wilt or Magic...
By resume he maybe did but by actual game he never reached levels of Tracy McGrady.
Lmao kobe and steph number 2 and 3 lmao.
Lebron made the correct business decision to leave cleavland
Lebron was known as a mentally weak loser before he went to Miami and he was still weak minded his first year in Miami. Lebron checked out against Boston in 2010 being up 2-1 and the year before against Orlando and was favored to go to the finals vs Lakers. I remember all of this. They were wondering whether he was ever going to win
Lebron averaged 38 8 and 8 against Orlando and took the 08 Celtics to 7 games the year before. Also took the 06 Pistons to 7 games. He really was just missing a second superstar. He coulda got a championship had he had that. He had some ok role players but he needed someone that could get there’s when he was on the bench. Peoples logic is he was supposed to win multiple rings as the only superstar when that don’t happen.
You guys at like the man said something bad and stop it takes more than player it take the Gm it takes a good coach it takes a good owner Cleveland was a bad bad organization and you guys kno that it same like you guys are trying to but words in his mouth.onething about LBJ he never wanted out of a contract early like kd j harden kryie you all never talk about what kd is doing why 1, Love
Not true.
@datsapaddlin Kobe Bryant literally did that 2/3 with no other top 75 player. On top of playing in the most stacked conference in nba history.
Dirk did it against Lebron!
Why all the excuses for this guy??
@@pinkt1t5 Pau Gasol was one of the best players in the league. Odom was the best 6th man in the league and Bynum was really good as well to go along with a bunch of really good role players. Where you even there? LOL Pau was an all-nba calibre player and Odom was 6th man of the year.
Jordan only played 13 healthy seasons.. yet still won a combined 17 rings/mvps/finals mvps and 19 combined scoring titles/1st team all defense … and has the highest analytics/advanced stats of any player in history… So nobody is in the convo with Jordan for Goat
First Off.... Kyrie Won Lebron's Cavs Ring. D Wade won Lebron's Heat Rings.... A.D won Lebron's Bubble Ring. Lebron's a Follower.... problem is... Nobody wants to follow the puny king. Austin Reeves is Lakers... Not... LeBron.
This is unneccessarily disrespectful
He was the finals mvp and led in points rebounds and assists for his team in all the finals he won 😂.
Basketball ball is a funny sport. The only sport where the narrative is 100% more important than what happens on the court. Kareem by definition is the greatest Basketball player ever. Yet they wont even throw him in there because views would go down.
Yes of course he’d have still been good, but his legacy wouldn’t be the same. He’s not the GOAT but if he didn’t go to Miami, would he even be considered top 5? Doubt it…
He's not the GOAT or Top 5 now.
@@melvinhhcp3615who’s top 5
That’s because he was drafted to Cleveland and not LA or Boston where they will get you either stars through trade or stars through the draft. Pretty much all the top 10 players other than Jordan played for one of those teams at some point.
Facts! I don't think he is top 5 though. He has never been top 5 to me!
Lebron could not win anything without Miami.All wishful thinking. He left cause he could not get it done that simple.
The turning point that made it clear that Bron wasn’t gonna last in cleveland was 2008 ECSF when he had 45 against the big 3 Celtics and lost. And even with his MVPs and his abilities, the role players wouldn’t step up in the biggest of moments coupled with the fact that Bron wasn’t matured enough as a leader at that point.
If Lebron stayed with the Cavs how does he win 2 to 4 titles? They were a mid-level team that would have never been a position to draft a player like Kyrie. Boston would have dominated the East and Kobe and Duncan owned the West with up and coming players like Durant, Lenard and Curry.. Lebron is a great player, but when the dust settles after his career he'll probably land within the top 10 all time and Curry and Kobe will be ahead. Also question if later we discover a performance enhancing story for a player playing at this level with this many miles on his legs.
the PED story would be huge lol. If people think Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds was big, Lebron's would kill the integrity of the NBA.
There's no way the NBA would let that story break out. They would pay people billions to keep their mouths shut
😂😂😂😂
Kobe only better at catching rape cases
It’s frustrating to hear people try to knock him for “teaming up” when everyone else in that era teamed up. Lakers pulled that sketchy deal with Gasol and Celtics formed the big 3. San Antonio had a big 3 and traded for kawhi on draft day. Dallas corralled a bunch of guys. But LeBron had to “team up” to win. Jordan is just untouchable in people minds so they protect him with their arguments. Just call it like it is.
Nope..he is weak minded.
Amare back in 2008-9 would be perfect
Why does the media love the lebron comparison but steph curry has been more dominate and change the game more than even jordan did. Even age, steph curry isnt too much younger than lebron but they always say its impressivehow old lebron is. I believe steph is just as dominant
I don't know. Only guess is because Steph isn't a Nike athlete
Ha! Curry did not change anything but throwing up stupid shots. Curry will have a better career than lbj.
@Rubrick23. well now everyone is throwing up those three's I am not a steph cheerleader but I was shocked to see his age. It's just funny how they male it seem like what lebron is doing at his age but curry ain't that young either
That's not changing the game. It's changing the culture on how you train to get to the NBA. Live and die by the three. Notice curry is a great shooter. But he doesn't control mid range game because of skill level isn't a match up. Unlike Kawhi Leonard who learned to separate himself. It's not changing anything. Soon enough you will see players get benched. Curry got lucky because he's winning championship. While the rest haven't. And no longer on the forefront.
@@tmention2235curry a bum who don’t play defense
What's funny is how Chris just explained how basically it took 3 mircales for him to win his last 3 championships plus he did some bogus stuff to get AD and it was in the bubble and he lost his first 2 chances horribly and he put a superteam together and he played in a softer era how in the world can y'all say he's better than Jordan or even a debate? How can he be better than Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Russell or Bird? C'mon man y'all d riding dude because he'll get y'all fired
The reason he couldn’t get free agents to join him in Cleveland is because that’s not what players did (unless they were on the tail end of their careers) until Lebron did it…
Nobody wanted to go to Cleveland, Miami or Cleveland? Yea ima choose Miami all day
@@nav9867 why can’t Miami get free agents now then?
@@TheRealMichaelPsalary cap and they don’t chase players. Dame wanted to go but he was under contract
@@TheRealMichaelP pat Riley afraid to pull the trigger, dame, Beal and KD wanted to play for the heat
then everyone started doing it. ruined basketball
I will never count that bubble ring, and you shouldnt either. His entire run in LA can summed up by watching Space Jam 2.
Brons got numbers, coz his the ball dominant there, that’s the problem with the lakers, they’re still pushing for lebron to take charge even if the guy doesn’t have it anymore!!! That’s the reason why it’s not clicking, let the young guys take charge, pass the torch Bron, there’s no shame in it!!!
These young guys getting torched without the old fella out there. Bffr
I don’t listen to anything rob has to say about lebron,he is a lebron hater like skip. He’s always biased when it comes to bron. He will never give him credit for anything
Did this guy ever learn to shoot free throws... or was I right to stop paying attention to him 10 years ago?
Ilgauskas made free throws better than Bron.
If Free throws is why you tuned out, you never deserved to witness anyway.
Why does everyone compare lebron to Jordan when he isn't better than kobe bryant
I wonder would people view him different if he won all 4 in Cleveland instead of with 3 teams 🤔
He would've been Definitely Been next to Mj it stayed on Cleveland and won 4
@syce25 stop they would've won 4 rings there.
He would definitely get more credit but he still wouldn't be considered the GOAT for most people.
People need to realize Dan Gilbert wasn't tryna win the first time around
@@Royalwar0305 lebron wears that
Cleveland made a LeBron a hero, Miami made him a villain but Lakers give him an identity
That is an indirect shot at D-Wade for picking MJ as the GOAT and for his late comments about how they teamed up to stop Kobe. LBJ has wanted his friend D-Wade to glorify him and keep the narrative alive. THAT'S the reason for LBJ's comments, in my opinion.
If Bron doesn't leave Cleveland, they never get Kyrie, which means potentially he doesn't win against the GSW.
For Chris and Rob to say Jordan would grab 4 players and say lets go win it shows you this conversation was done before it started, I was with everything they were saying until that point because that would suggest the first 8 years of Mikes career when he couldnt get passed the second round and swept with bums didnt happen smh.
Nobody says believe that we all know Jordan lost plenty to more superior teams but when tlkn finals he didn’t lose no game sevens last time i checked the other games where played for that opportunity so what weighs more losing early in yo career to superior teams or making it to the big stage winning each time two 3p no losses
@@latavion2010 No one give lebron a pass for losing to superior teams so why should we give Jordan a pass nobody should get a pass Jordan was favored in every finals 6/6 his teams were better, lebron has been the favorite in 3 of the 10 finals neither should have a pass because if you don’t win you don’t win.
@@jamalcox98 MJ not was favored in 91, 93, or 98. That's revisionist history.
Secondly, Bron gets criticized because he's spent over a decade handpicking teammates and losing with them.
Mountain of difference between the 2 situations.
whats wrong with picking his teammates...how did letting the cavs front office pick his teammates go for him lol. can't fault bron for that. @@x-man9473
@@x-man9473so true! The 91 Lakers were fav to win the finals that year as well that 93 Suns team! These people really be trying to change sport’s history to support their LBJ claims 🤣
Chris. Literally everyone who is not a fan of lebron holds his 6 finals losses against him no matter the context..stop it😂😂
LeBron can't give Miami credit because that's giving Wade more credit than him. He was not winning anything in Cleveland before he left.
Does Rob think NBA players live in black neighborhoods? Lol Also if a white broadcaster said that about a white player in Atlanta he'd fired on the spot.
No one wanted to play with him because 1) you get all the blame yet none of the credit when lebron comes up short weather its his fault or not & 2) he never commits to a team & its hard to recruit top players to Cleveland OH if they're gonna be stuck there after Bron leaves
See Anthony Davis. Davis should have won FMVP yet everyone acts like Lebron carried him and the lakers to a chip. Last year when Lebron was out, Davis help get the Lakers in position to make a run in the playoffs. Lebron comes back for the play in games and gets all the glory.
Davis got no credit for that.
You can talk it to death but LeBron is not the goat. Jordan , Kareem far more decorated.
See a lot of Bron fans especially those that are teens or early 20s don’t remember the first 7 years in Cleveland they just remember his Miami years and some don’t even remember those years lol. So they wouldn’t understand that Lebron was known as a mentally weak loser that needed to toughen up mentally and he learned that in Miami
Facts! He remember too, that's why he is not given Miami there credit! D wade and Riley got him together because they were champions. They knew what it took!
Bron is like Wilt
LeBron is Bum whom Nobody wants to play with.... Ask A.D.
What? Lol
Lebrons Disney ring is the easiest ring in NBA history.
The players say it was hard on them but that’s hard to believe because there’s no crowd and they had a 4 month break….
We are mostly adults here. The myth of James needing to learn how to win is nonsense. Learning how to win comes from failure and hard work to succeed. He learned how to win by running off to Miami to play basketball with Dwayne wade and other all star 1st rounders. Then he went back to Cleveland to win one championship before fleeing again to Los Angeles to play in and win one championship after getting more all star help with great bench support. It’s becoming evermore apparent that Lebrun is not an all time great but a good player who played a long time and scored a lot of points and collected other stats and amassed a lot of losses and excuses along the way.
Ps. I Garuntee yall that A.D. Will demand a trade... long as LeBron is still a Laker. A.D. is Tired of LeBron blaming everyone except for himself. We'll take A.D., just like Westbrook looks awhole lot better wirh us. Go Clippers
Maybe people dont want to play with him because they like to compete and didnt like super teams
He is the one that said he needed to team up to win...and in miami HE is the reason why they lost in the first series with Dallas...and the second season in beating the spurs...let's be hoenst..if bosh hadn't made that perfect offensive revound and ray allen didnt in return make the most impossible catch and release 3 pointer with half a second of a possession then he wouldnt even have that ring...
He just needs a super super ..super super hall of fame/top 75 team mates support team to be a champion. I agree if he stayed in Cleveland and won two his goat argument would be 100% better. But not enough. They went to miami to beat kobe...so kobe was the man during lebrons golden years...and that is an issue if he wants to act like he has always been the man....
Didn't lebron said in an article he's going to Miami Heat to become a championship player and they were going to win 8chips.I hear what Rob and Chris is saying but i don't believe had lebron not gone to Miami win 2chips he maybe would end up with none may be 1.I always believe lebron should have stayed with the Cavs build with them.MJ stayed with the during the highs and lows won 6chips with them to 3peats MJ is the G.O.A.T
The finals losses do mean more in my opinion due to being on super teams.....otherwise, I would agree with Chris......and it's obvious Chris has a soft spot for Bron lol which is fine....just stop acting like you're always objective
How could he won 4 rings w/o heat when they didnt win as much with that super team?
because the whole league would have drafted, traded, and turned out differently had he stayed. Could be a chance he ended up in cleveland drafting kawhi, or giannis, or PG etc. think the point is lebron is great enough, healthy enough, and played enough time that eventually front office or just by pure luck something would get figured out in cleveland.
@@jon401 he figured out that he needed to go somewhere to win. If he didnt leave I dont think they will get those 1 picks to form another super team. Safe thing to say that he'll never get those 4 chips. He already played 2+ years with super teams with just 4 chips.
One of the biggest problems for Bron is his needing to play "Lebron'' ball. For most of his career. When he goes to the bench, the team falls apart because of that.
Part of remaining on one team is building chemistry and flexibility with coaching staff ideas and offenses.
The Masses didnt think Lebron was the Best player in the League until He Won back 2 back Championships With Miami!!!!!
lebron is an all time great and should be top 8 in most all time lists. This GOAT debate is and has been media created funny enough it really took off once Kobe retired. Once Kobe retired the NBA and mainstream media had to create a narrative to create numbers and welcome the GOAT argument. In the end I think there’s a generation or era GOAT and then there’s all time lists. In the end: Russell 11 chips (in 13 yrs), Kareem 6 chips (20yrs), Magic 5 chips (13 yrs), Kobe 5 chips (20 yrs), MJ 6 chips (13 seasons) lebron 4 chips (20 seasons). So GOAT argument.. I don’t think so.
Lj is top 10-12
I have a tremendous amount of respect for the Heat organization. If you think about it, they have taken 4 different sets of teams to the Finals. But in my mind, I don't think it's as much about LeBron giving the Heat credit and respect as much as it should be the Heat giving the respect to the excellence that the trio of Bosh, Wade, and LeBron brought to the organization and the city. They were by far the best team in the NBA in that time frame.
Not 1. Not 2. Not 3. Not 4. Not 5. Not 6... They won 2 in 4 years which is a massive underachievement from the projection they had for themselves and from being "by far the best team in the NBA in that time frame".
He's been recruiting his whole career let's not forget about the back door deal he did with Magic Johnson, Magic Johnson was GM of the Lakers and gave him Larry Nance Jr Jordan Clarkson and another player if he promised to come to the Lakers the next year, and he did he joined the Lakers next year while magic was GM magic couldn't put up with the BS so he quit
If it wasn't for Wade and His Heat? LeBron would Still be a Bum
Everyone of LePuke's rings were lets go team up rings, its a clown show. LeJoke is not going to shut up today defending himself.
I think he would’ve won at least 2
That's a stretch
If he didn’t go, the Cavs team he was on would have a hard time making the NBA finals again let alone win against those Spurs teams…and if he stayed they never get Kyrie
@@melvinhhcp3615 I mean he went plus he was in a weak east
@@bondbarrybonds5774 I think he was good enough to win it, all he needed was a solid all star
@@z-mane1438 He got swept tho. Then when he had the #1 team in the league in 2009 & 2010, the Cavs didn't reach The Finals.
The big difference between Bron and jordans era is the draft lotto. The Bulls.drafted high in lotto. But it was impossible fOr cavs to draft high as they would of contended high every year.
The bulls were an 8th seed multiple times when Jordan was on the team. They traded up for Pippen. And it took three freaking years for those draft picks to pan out. Was Lebron going to sit and wait for draft picks to develop under him? The Answer is a big NO based on his track record.
The real issue is Lebron and the way he structured his contracts. After his rookie deal, his contracts gave him wiggle room to break. Meaning he wasn't committed to the Cavs long term. And any NBA player with a brain saw Lebron, Wade, Melo and Bosh all restructure their deals to become free agents at the same time.
“You damn right I would still be! I’m CHOSEN! Ain’t nothing changing that! Maybe less 💍’s but DOMINANT from start to finish” He basically said he might not have the same amount of rings but still would’ve been dominant and he wasn’t lying. He was already a 2 time MVP champions multiple all nba first team etc. if it wasn’t Miami he would’ve went to another organization with good players. He came back to Cleveland and won with Kyrie who couldn’t even take Cleveland to the playoffs and K love who had a good stats but also never made the playoffs
Yea I think had he not gone to Miami, like let’s say he stayed in the Cleveland the whole time until when he left for the lakers I think he still would’ve won 1 or 2 championships. And if he did leave but went to another team instead of Miami I’m not sure cus if he went to the western conference instead of staying in the east it would’ve been really tough. He stayed in the eastern conference for a reason, bron is smart he knew how hard the path would be. It was hard enough as it is over in the east
You expected Kyrie to make the playoffs as a rookie when Lebron didnt? How many fresh rosters did lebron play with? Curry, Duncan, Giannas, Kobe etc sticked it out with soft rebuilds, players that were traded due to money and other business issue. Lebron never faced that. Stop disrespecting other players because they didnt have the juice to move around and had solid teams
Dominant at what? Without Miami rings he wouldn’t ever be talked about in the way he is today! No Miami championships Kobe gets all his flowers, and Steph then takes the full crown! Miami saved his legacy and everyone knows it.
They wouldnt have kyrie or love if he stayed in cleaveland, cavs got those via multiple #1 draft picks.
Atleast when lebron says "I went to Miami to win championships" it's believable. Unlike harden leaving the current MVP to go play with 3 guys well past their prime. And KD going to Golden state is far worse than LeBron going to Miami, heat was a get together, could of not won but KD literally joined a championship team off back back finals appearances. Never been a LeBron fan but I can recognize his greatness, always seems to have been a good husband and father. The only thing lebron did that really bugged me was the decision itself and then "not 1, not 2, not 3, ....." Then again after joining up with other players close to your talent I'm sure LeBron was ready to start playing the minute he signed the contract.
I don’t think if he didn’t have the two with Miami he may not have had the mental toughness to come back from 0-3
There was no proof at all that LeBron James was going to win any rings at Cleveland
There is no way LBJ would have more than a single ring if he never went to Miami.
Right! If he never left and stayed in Cleveland... kyrie is drafted somewhere else. Top 2 teams in the east would still be bulls and Miami if bosh still went there... and even if he made it to the finals...he's not beating Dallas, spurs or okc in Cleveland lol I see no rings.
theres no point in talking about this cause there's literally no way to know. The whole trajectory of the league would be different. There could be a possiblility cavs would draft some of these not as high first and second round picks that would later become stars. Like Giannis, Paul george, Kawhi, Lavine, Derozen etc. A lot of teams and especially the cavs would have drafted and traded differently if lebron was still on the roster.
Wrong being patient is good,he would of kicked with butler and bam,too bad for him.He has done terrible,no rings but one😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dude joins his best friends team in which his friend had already won his own chip without him.what a joke
LeBron couldn't even beat the Pistons... 7 straight years. Teamed up with Wade to win his 1st ring... but gives Heat Wade No Respect. LeBron is a Fraud. Stop talking dude... play some defense
Didn't he beat the Pistons in 2007 to get to the finals?
Nah Lebron couldn’t beat the Celtics and Orlando and the Cavs were favorite 🤣
@Southernplayalistic_96
You say lebron instead of the cavs lol
@@dparks2856 Wrong kid
07 Pistons didn’t even have HOFer 4xDPOY Ben Wallace & HOF Coach Larry Brown 😂 PLUS Refs bailed out Lebron by ejecting/suspending Pistons player McDyess in pivotal game(what else is new 🤷♂️ 😂 smh) & Gibson closed out the game by scoring 31pts 😂 Lebron got bailed out by Refs/NBA + teammates like always 😂 Then LeFRAUD CHOKED & got SWEPT in the Finals 😂 smh
DWade actually beat the real Pistons at full strength 😂 smh & then went on to win Ring
LeFRAUD
The Manufactured One 😂 smh
But then hate on KD 😆 Chris stop trying to keep Bron in Goat convo 😆
Nobody gotta keep lebron in the goat convo. Alot of people think he goat its all opinionated anyway
Lebron making teammates better is the biggest media propaganda ever! The dude only recruits ready made superstars! Why don’t you just stay where you are and really try to make your teammates better! Pip, Horace grant and BJ Armstrong where just draft picks who averages single digits their early seasons. MJ stuck wt them and made them better! They did together and became champions!
LeBron Choked with Miami. Wade won them 2 rings. Not Le Fraud
Why wasn't Wade the finals mvp?