Why Abby is Loved in The Last of Us 2
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2021
- In this video, I will give a few reasons why Abby is Loved in The Last of us 2 and by some The Last of Us fans. As controversial it is to say that Abby's characters is actually loved, there is no denying The Last of Us community actually do like Abby as a character. This series on examining Abby as a character and finding reasons why she is Hated and Loved, is meant to open a conversation between those who hate and love this character and this game, and see if we can have a civil conversation to see if we can understand each other.
Before watching this video, make sure to watch my previous video:
Why Abby is Hated in The Last of Us 2
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I think the point of Abby is show that there are many Joels and Ellies in the world of Last of Us. Last of Us isn't just the story of Joel and Ellie anymore. Abby is Lev's Joel.
Very true . That's why I loved this game . It was never truly about Joel and Ellie only . It was about the world too
I love Abby (particularly her and Lev and her and Owen) but I still don't think her character (or Dina, for that matter, who I also love) and the points her story made were worth denying us either a lot more time focussed on or an entire game with Joel and Ellie.
I'm not gonna say nothing but Neil Druckmann said The Last of Us was specifically of those two characters so that is a lie
@@dylana.9057 No, it was about Ellie and Joel. Just play the fucking first game
@@dylana.9057 that why the game is called the Last of Us it never been Joel and Ellie story it about the rest of people trying to survive
One slight disagreement I have in this video is when Abby's redemption started. Yeah, helping Yara and Lev was a huge step in this, but it seems to me like she started her redemption the moment she snuck out of the QZ to figure out what the hell happened with Owen (because Isaac refused to do so himself, and felt comfortable enough to believe the hotheaded Danny). That act alone was a huge life risk for a very selfless reason, and it would have gotten her killed if it wasn't for Yara and Lev.
Yeah and to back that up even after they saved her she still got in that argument with Owen about the scars and leaving everything behind. She still was all about helping the wolves and even basically begged Owen to stay and fight for the wolves.
@@Swerv0. that’s because her actual transformation only started the day after, when she got to know Lev. That’s also why she still had a nightmare that night. However, that nightmare was about Yara and Lev, not her father, so there was at least some progress.
I think the fact that so many people hate Abby and refuse to empathize with her just reinforces the statement Neil Druckman is making about people and our divisive nature. We so often look at other people as “the other” and we never want to try to view things from their perspective. We always want to believe we’re in the right.
or he just set up the first game with a great father/daughter relationship only to strip that away, which was the main concept of the story
@@WriterDude130 He didn’t strip it away though. Part 2 is all about Ellie going after Joel’s killers because she feels guilty for ignoring him all those years. There’s multiple flashbacks that feature Joel and Ellie, honoring their relationship. Joel is Ellie’s motivation throughout the entire game. Sorry you didn’t pay attention to the plot.
I preferred Abby over Ellie and thought she was a badass. Fucking sucks how people shit on the game just because of the story.
Not many games comes close to this game in terms of detail,animations.
I can perfectly understand why Abby did what Abby did. But what I can't stomach is the fact that she thought of brutalizing or torturing a man who just saved her instead of just finishing him. She doesn't even think twice before voluntarily slit a pregnant woman's throat. She is no doubt an absolute bitch. The fact that everything is fair for her but not for anyone else bothers me too. That's my only problem with this character.
@@RareGamer-jm7gushe doesn’t kill ellie in her first encounter because she literally doesn’t want ellie to die since she’s a bystander- this is something joel himself literally never does, joel kills EVERYONE who is remotely tied to the person he’s trying to kill, in their second encounter she’s been trying to change as a person and lev tells her not to kill ellie, she leaves ellie once again even after the fact that ellie killed every single person that abby has loved, for you to say she doesn’t feel remorse or guilt even tho she lets the person who killed everyone she loves stay alive, not only did joel and ellie destroy abby’s life but they gave her ptsd,and still she let ellie live, it’s crazy to even say that abby doesn’t have guilt or remorse
I feel like some players don't know how to compartmentalize. Like, you can hate the act of her killing Joel without hating her. You can love Joel and Abby at the same time. It is not mutually exclusive. All you need to do is accept that she had her reasons for killing Joel, and understand that she only knew the worst parts of Joel leading up to killing him so it was easy for her to degrade him. Personally, found her to be a compelling character. She wasn't a Mary Sue and was able to develop as a character in a natural way. She's a great addition to TLOU series.
People like Walter white but hate Abby . Go figure ..
She was justified in killing Joel but I just don’t like the way the game tried to kinda force the player to like Abby and kind of demonize Ellie in a way
@@christianjimenez3172 The game doesn't demonize Ellie, the game only shows you what she's becoming and the consequences of her actions, from Abby's point of view, Ellie is a monster, when Abby gets to the aquarium you see everyone dead and you as a player remember that Ellie did this but this time it doesn't feel... right.
@@christianjimenez3172 Really? I don't feel like the game forced me to feel any type of way toward her or Ellie.
It made sense that Ellie would go on a negative character arc given where she is in life. Joel took away any true meaning from her life and then she witnessed him die in a brutal manner before she was able to reconcile with him. Ellie has an uncontrollable temper and bottles up her emotions, a quality she learned from Joel, until they erupt. This is established in the first game when she brutally kills David and is emotionally withdrawn afterwards.
Mel and Yara are both right when it comes to Abby. Mel thinks Abby is a POS and Yara thinks she is a good person. There is truth to what both are saying. POS Abby kills a man by torturing him to death, justifies killing Scar kids who were just following orders, sleeps with the man her friend is having a baby with, etc. Good person Abby accepts Lev for who he is when his own mother wouldn't, fights the abomination known as the Rat King to save a kid's life, and searches for the Fireflies in order help with their mission statement to restore society. Abby is capable of both good and bad like Ellie. No one is better or worse. Ellie is just like Abby before Jackson. The point is to get them on a level playing field. Abby had her short-lived negative character arc at the start of the game and what we see in flashbacks. In order to develop her character further she must go on a positive character arc or she will be a static character.
@@christianjimenez3172 All they did was show you her story, the decision to like her is yours.
Abby's 3 day Seattle story was more compelling than Ellie's. Both were fantastically flawed characters, like humans are built to be. You're supposed to hate her in the beginning until you are literally forced to walk a mile in her shoes. Beautiful storytelling.
That's because the game was made for people to like Abby smh.
In honesty, I wasn't a big fan of Ellie's character in Part 2. I thought her dialogue was sharp in LOU1. Now she doesn't say much.
@@TreyeParker You sound stupid. The game wasn’t “MADE” to hate abby.. That’s like saying the first game was MADE to like Ellie and Joel. It’s storytelling. It was MADE to show perspective. No one is forced is like Abby. We’re given a choice to decide after experiencing her story to understand her decisions. The fuck would you do if someone killed your father?
@@rickthewriter7083 it was made to like Abby. Ellie was going around hurting dogs making herself look like a bad person. Well Abby was peting dogs and playing with dogs. Do you want me to continue? before you say anything you might want to replay that game again to refresh your memory. It's a long list. if you want to have a conversation you don't have to use insults, we can talk like adults
@@TreyeParker It wasn't made for people to like her, it was made to show her side of the story.
I just loved the game and loved the fact they force both perspectives on you. When Ellie and Abby fought I hated it because I didn’t want either of them to die...
I think that was the moral of the story. I felt the same.
Felt the same
For me the first half of the game Was. Pretty good Joel’s Death kind of made no sense I see Joel getting comfortable For him not to have a gun wow but I’m here to talk about at abby The game was good Abby came out of nowhere And when you left on the cliffhanger just to go play as Abby she’s a psychopath they try to make it seem like a good person Instead of shooting Joel in the Head she literally Beat him to death and she doesn’t even think to stop she can literally see someone just like her asking her to stop And then she’s gonna Slit a pregnant woman’s Throat and she said good When Eli told her She was pregnant Ellie didn’t know mel was pregnant and when she saw that she was she had a breakdown I just don’t like Abby As a character and I could see her story LevIs a good character and her and Abby Chemistry was fantastic
@@devongaming7253 first, man put some ' , ' in your texts. It is not an exam, but people want to read properly what you write.
Second,
Also Ellie killed and tortured a woman for selfish reason.
And do you think that if it was Abby that pissed off Joel, Joel wouldn't have tortured her? If you reply 'no' to this question it means you clearly don't know him well.
Remember. For them, killing people is quite normal. Especially people you are pissed off with. Especially people that ruined your life.
@@devongaming7253 Do you not remember Joel nearly popping off a guys knee cap to get information out of him? No one in either game isn't bloodguilty. Abby saying 'good' to killing Dina was trickling leftover emotions and understandably so as Ellie just wiped out Abbys whole crew. There is no rights or wrongs in these games, everything is left to the gamer to decide this.
The Last of Us has never been about villains and heroes, and I think with Abby they achieve this goal even further.
I agree, Abby is not a villian or hero, she was a hardcore scar killer but also helped some scars. But for villians, wouldn’t you agree David was sort of one?
@@aaronm4841 I liked David. I still like his character. (Despite the noncey side)
@@aaronm4841 Yes i like david in terms of character and I also agree than he is the most villain of the last of us, but like all the other characters, he does what he does just to survive.
@@ALPHAX336 I mean you don’t really have to eat people, that’s kind of terrorism , why not eat the weakest of your men?
@@aaronm4841 Exactly
Think from her perspective, Abby killed murder of her father who was trying to save humanity. She had 2 chances to kill Ellie and she didnt. She had opportunity to help someone which she did. Moreover her character portrayed a strong woman. Inspite of killing one of my favourite characters, cant blame Abby. My view. I like her character. Awesome video by the way 👍
If she had killed Ellie she would be dead because of the rattlers that torture her for two months.
EXACTLY!!
This! People need to look at it from this point of view 👍
@@mitcht6289 they do see it from this perspective they just don’t care.
Just to be fair to the other point of view, the reason people don't care about Abby is she is not a good person.
She killed the murderer of her father, who Abby KNEW killed him to save Ellie. I don't care who she lost, she has to be pretty self absorbed to not to at least acknowledge why Joel killed her father.
Her sparing Ellie on the first occasion was primarily the influence of Owen, if you watch the scene he was the only thing that got between Ellie and a bullet. Abby stops them after Owen has already done it. On the second occasion it was entirely the influence of Lev.
She helped Lev sure, but that is mostly out of guilt more than anything else, which is at least a step onto the path of redemption, but is not really enough to redeem everything else.
She is not a strong woman. Quite the opposite in fact. She is selfish, irresponsible, uncaring and cold, manipulative and spiteful. She endangers other peoples lives without concern, she allows her hatred to overshadow any empathy, she takes no responsibility for her actions, and does whatever she wants without considering or facing the consequences of her actions.
At least she isn't a coward, but even considering her perspective she isn't a character to look up to, which I think is the point.
What I love about Abby is that she seems more like an actual person than a fictional character: there are no grand speeches, she doesn't wear her heart on her sleeve, yet there are plenty of subtle indications throughout her part of the game that suggest she's deeply troubled by what she did (wasting four years screwing up her relationships by being obsessed with revenge, then hunting down and beating an old man to death).
By all indications, until the Wrath of Joel, she was just a sweet, kind of nerdy kid. An old soul: She loves classic literature, classical music and jazz. Pine scented soap. She seems to be well-liked and respected in her adopted WLF community.
But she also knows that something is wrong: once her desire for revenge was over, she began to realize (as Owen suspected before she did) that she had been indoctrinated into taking on a cause that she didn't really believe in. She knew she had to "look for the light," as the Fireflies say, and "find something to fight for," as Joel said at the end of Part 1.
Of course she's also a badass. A killing machine that feels like playing as a Joel with more military training and less arthritis (although she really should get her shoulder looked at).
As much as I like Abby as a character, it's her relationship with Lev that really sticks with me. We only get a short glimpse of how they are together after the events of Seattle are long behind them, and they are calm and happy. There is a purity there, and an unconditional love that offers one of the few glimmers of hope in this tragic tale.
Who give a fuck about the relationship they killed joel
Abbie versus the Rat King was one of the best boss fights I have ever played in a video game.
Yeah it was amazing.
Agree! Just beat that boss and holy shit it was good!!
Agree
YES! my first play through I was kinna pissed that SHE out of all characters got to fight the very first infected but it grew on me and made me like and respect her character more.
This video is finally here! Abby has become one of my favorite videogame characters ever. One other thing about her that you didn't mention in this video is how her story pretty much parallels Joel's story. In that both became cold-hearted survivors after they loose family members that they love, and then they regain their humanity by bonding with kids. With Joel saving Ellie, and Abby saving Lev. There are many other details that connects both Joel and Abby, but it would be too much to list here.
I love how kids represent the full humanity and innocence we lose when we grow up . It's so sad ..
Yep all ya gotta do is look through her POV, so can't(don't want to) so they miss it, but if you do, you can relize shes a dope character (RIP Joel) but still shes a damn good character
Abby isnt a video game character she's an abomination, and her terrible character development makes her unlikable... 😒 evil @$$ bi----
@@gohan2791 that "evil ass bitch" let Ellie live and saved two kids when she didn't have too
Rather have corona 2 then say this is my favorite character tho
Funny how this video was posted today, right when i blew my own mind today about probably her most important line in the game, the "You're my people" line, before i only thought it had one meaning, the obvious one of Abby accepting Lev as one of her close friends and people that he can count on but it has two more meanings.
One of them is to show that her arc of sheding herself from tribalism has concluded and to also wrap up Lev's arc of not being accepted as a person or in other words the transphobia that he experienced, so "people" in that line could also mean that Abby accepts Lev not only as a friend but he is also finally accepted as a human being, she accepts him as "people".
It has been 7 months later and i still see different things in the writing, i don't think anyone will ever be able to convice me that this game has trash writing, i just feel sorry for the people that weren't able to enjoy it.
Love your response and feel you completely. 😁👍🏻
Took the words out of my mouth
Funny how as I was reading this comment the video was around the 10.40 mark and Abby literally said "You're my people" as I read that line, that absolutely blew my mind ahaha
EXACTLY! It really hurts my soul when people hate on the writing of this game. It’s deep and I feel like people hate it because they’re slow and don’t understand it or see the multiple ways it can be represented.
This game honestly changed me, every time I’m in an argument I now try first to see their side before thinking I’m right
Abby wasn’t even gonna kill ellie in the end, she told her where the boats were and kept looking back at her after she left :/ maybe to see if she would come after her but who knows
Could have also been looking back to see if Ellie was going to join them as a trio. Abby and Ellie aren't that dissimilar
@@RobertBoyle11 that different? Dissimilar is a word ?
@@josshiotv1132 It is indeed a word
I think she was looking back cause Ellie was on death’s door and could barely walk
1. Well Abby similar weapons like Ellie does.
2.Abby talks like Ellie.
3. Same Values.
4. Abby was a dark reflection of Ellie if she continues her revenge further.
Joel is one of my favourite characters ever and, still, I like Abby. For her, Joel is just the person that took basically everything from her. What she does to Joel is horrible (as it is what Joel does to the Fireflies) but, from her point of view, it's understandable in the world they live in.
I think a lot of people lack the empathy to look at things from a more objective point of view. They have been conditioned to love Joel and Ellie and nothing will convince them that Abby isn't a monster... That's the ugly side of humanity responsible for so many evil things in history.
personally, i though abby had good reasons. my anger is more towards the developers for lying & & being incredibly misleading up to the release of the game. & playing as abby for half the game also wasn’t necessary for understanding why she did what she did. i feel like naughty dog made a lot of bad choices. even still, nobody crafts a game world quite like naughty dog. they also took a huge risk, it paid off with the reviewers but not the audience.
Abby is a$$ no one likes her, She is a horribly written character she has no relatable struggles or Emotional conflict, She just does things without being conflicted about her actions
@@gohan2791"Anyone likes her." You should think again cuz a bunch of people in this comment section and on UA-cam likes and loves Abby.
It's ok say you don't like her but this is disrespectful. Everything you said doesn't exist in the actual game, just pure hate.
Would you like to see someone saying shit about ya or character you like without arguments on internet?
Don't do with others what you wouldn't like them to do to you.
@@LoreTlouG Abby is a hypocrite LMFAO
@@gohan2791 So is Ellie lol
I really dont care what anyone says rn. I love abby SO MUCH. Do you understand how risky it was to make us play as the woman who killed Joel? A character we had a special connection with form the first game. But i couldn’t help it. She grew on me, and the further we got in the story, the more i understood her point of view, the things she did and justify them.. shes not a bad person dude.. shes just hurt.. shes hurt just like ellie is hurt, just like Joel was.
I agree with you
i bet you're a hardcore lefty too, eh?
@@calvingnarloaf weird
I flipping loved this game! Its a Graphical Masterpiece! I really loved the story aswel. 😱 I know. Now Abby! At first, I didn't like her because of the way she literally destroyed Joel, with just a golf club! Even though Joel deserved what he got, but they could have done it in a different way. Anyways, Abby grew on me, when I seen her grow up, just like Ellie did. I finally loved Abby, because she's gone through the same sort of pain, that Ellie went through. So, Abby & Ellie are quite the same in my eyes. Obviously I love Ellie more because of the first game! Joel & Ellie were a perfect team. Joel obviously has done VERY BAD THINGS to survive in a world of the dead & living. No one knows what's it like to live in a grey dead world. The remaining people who are still surviving are literally killing each other. For what, we may ask. Instead of joining each other & trying to survive this grim dark grey dead world. This game had me on an emotional roller coaster. I felt sad. I felt hurt, betrayed & robbed. But, I F**KING ENJOYED EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF MY TIME I SPENT PLAYING THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME! Hopefully Naughty Dog & Sony make another TLOU, but make it a prequel, of Joel's missing 20yrs. How he survived all those years after his Daughter Sarah passed away. That would definitely work for me. Cool video AP NERDS. 👍
While talking about the last of us 2 everyone becomes a philosopher
Precisely why I love this game and its characters
Everything explained about Abby: perfect! She's human like the rest of us. Being human is complicated. I love Abby as much as I loved Ellie. I hope her and Lev recover and she can find someone that can love her for her and she love them and move on from a dark past and raise Lev in a more peaceful place
I grew a deep appreciation for Abby once I finished the game. In life the are very few heroes and villains, 90% of us are just human, we are a product of our choices
Exactly. At the start I hated Abby and despised her. She's now my favourite character in the entire franchise
All of us are
@@dratylapio While I don't understand your opinion, I respect it
I really like Abby, her Gameplay, And her Story is just sooo good for me, and with the incredible Soundtrack of Gustavo Santaolalla, I felt a lot of empathy for her. (I Generally love the entire game 😅)
I understand the Hate, but i cant understand the Idiots that send deatg threats to Laura Bailey or Jocelyn Mettler.
My god me neither. Im a die hard tlou fan and honestly i love abby so much. Her character is so beautiful and incredibly built and her story.. oh her story is just amazing. Although i hated what she did to joel, the game made me understand and sympathize with her. Abbys actions aren’t always good but they’re also not bad either. She saved two kids that meant NOTHING to her. She practically became levs Joel and by that i mean that she learned to love and protect a kid that meant nothing to her in the begining just like joel did in the first game. I understand if someone doesnt like abby and its your opinion and i respect it but sending death threats to laura bailey and jocelyn mettler crosses the line. I get that you’re upset but laura just played a role and jocelyn was just a god damn face model. Theyre both amazing and definitely do not deserve this.
I don’t like Abby’s character, but the death threats are really unnecessary.
@@tireins1072 Ellie is fucked up. And in the end the game is clear about that
@@adamantiuscloudcat1799 yeah cause they have shit on her and bombarded her with PTSD unlike Abby.
@@greytakerrev7147 no they didnt...but if you wanna shit on her character by saying such things...👍 You do you, tlou series will be fine without ya
RIP Owen he was a homie
Did cheat on his pregnant baby momma tho..
@@AcidAroma Yeah but he cool
I simply started liking her because of her arms and Laura's performance.
Ofc I ended up loving her character for other reasons. But that was the start.
OMG her Arms 😍...
@@tageloehner3 I know righttt
I thought it was bad ass
Her arms are ugly and unrealistic
I feel that this game series is going to be like a movie. We already got the first two acts, time for the third!
That's correct and y like it
It already happening. They said there will be an new character to play as. I just hope it Abby. I want Abby, Lev, Ellie, and Dana bumped into each other, and become teammates, yeah we’re see Abby and Ellie not liking each other, but they will become great friends.
I hated her gameplay at first, and in the middle I asked “when am I gonna be Ellie again?” at least 10x. But by the time I was done, I fell in love with her almost as much as Ellie...big word “almost”. But this game was incredible.
While me,playing as Ellie:when will I gonna play as Abby?
@@dani6552 Saammee as well. Tired of seeing Ellie, killing anyone she sees when she on vengeance mode and especially seeing her torturing the people who are responsible of Joel’s death. But I am getting tired of hating on Ellie. But I hate how of an monster she is, I miss the innocent Ellie in the first game. Glad she became a better person when she finally let Abby live. I hope in the third game (which they’re already making it now), plus (I heard Abby and Ellie are teaming up in the third game). If that does happened which I hope, fingers crossed, that Ellie ask Abby why she killed Joel and I hope she apologizes to Abby what she did to her friends. And I hope Abby told her the reason why she killed Joel and apologized to Ellie as well.
I love Abby so much. She’s not a bad person, she’s just misunderstood and in pain over experiencing her fathers death at such a young age. She let her anger and trauma blind her to the things she still had left like Owen, all of her friends at the WLF, and much more. She is shown after killing Joel to feel a deep level of guilt for what she has done and realized that killing him didn’t make her feel better about her father, and her whole teams death, but instead made her feel worse and empty. So she then changes herself around and when given the opportunity, saves lev and yaras lives and realizes that being good for others makes her feel better about her past as the night she saved yara, she didn’t have a nightmare but instead walked into the operation room and see her father alive and well. But one of the biggest reasons I love her is because I see nothing but myself in her. The similarities between me and this character is what made me connect so deeply with her. I don’t want this to turn into me venting about my personal shit but all I will say is my and Abby’s experiences are incredibly similar and I myself have also done something horrible that I regret for nothing but revenge or to just feel something. My entire childhood was just shattered at the age of 11 when I was violently assaulted and r@ped, and when I watched a man shoot himself in the street when I was just walking to the subways with my mum. Ever since I was 11 my life has gone completely downhill and my anger for that man and for the way the police treated me after I managed to get back to my house from the assault drove me into complete madness where when anyone would bully me back at school when I was in eighth grade, I would hurt and beat them brutally to prove to myself I wasn’t weak and that I was worthy of respect. The things I did to people after the trauma I endured at such a young age haunted me and I then strives to become a better person. Until I got into multiple abusive relationships, got an eating disorder and witnessed my girlfriend attempt suicide in front of my eyes only for me to watch her get taken away by medical professionals. My PTSD from the shit I’ve seen and been though causes violent nightmares where I wake up in a panic and have such an intense surge of panic that I have to run to the bathroom and throw up because of the amount of adrenaline that pumps through my body. When I found out about this game and played it i immediately just started crying like a little noch because of how much I related to Abby and it made me feel less alone even though she is just a character. I will definitely admit that some of the hate she receives is completely valid and I am 10000% open to hearing the other perspectives that others have as it interests me on what other ppl view. So yeah there’s my rant on why I love this character personally and if you disagree with the love for this character I completely understand but I think the purposeful spreading of hate and slander is just un needed and i think it’s just best for everyone to just kindly and respectfully express our views and leave it at that because the amount of slander will only lead to chaos. If you read all of this then like, thank you omg I didn’t rlly expect anyone to read this bc of how long it is but yeah thanks! Have a Good day to whoever sees this!
Dude I’m really sorry you had to go through all that sh*t. Personally I have mixed feelings about Abby. I know Joel killed her dad but he also saved Abby’s life. When Abby killed Joel she took all the trauma she’s going through and she put it on Ellie’s life. Later, when she told Lev that he’s her people I started to soften up to Abby. But then the theatre fight came. And I was very angry after that. Ellie and Abby both deserve to be happy.
You are a brave person for all the bad things that had happen to you, but mostly for be brave enough to tell us your story and be abble to make a difference and try to be a better person. It's hard to live with scars like those. I hope you still find the redemption and all the happiness you deserve.
Endure and survive.
Abby is definitely my favorite character. I love character growth and that's basically her whole character.
I understand why she wanted Joel dead, the point is he died too early in the game. The story timing was awful and just pissed everyone off for the rest of the game/
Oh and it was super fucked up when her and her friend were gonna kill the pregnant girl and someone warned that the girl was pregnant and Abby said “good” like what a sick bitch she is.
@@gemil9933i actually think the timing was perfect
she literally had NO character growth. Did we play the same game? going after lev and yara doesnt stop her character from being not only a morally wrong character but shes still a piece of shit in the end?
@@emaankhairy2283 explain how she’s a piece of shit. i can explain how she’s not
I Don’t like Abby, but the game definitely made me understand her and why she is the way she is and why she does the things she does. And by the end I really did not feel invested in trying to kill her. In that final fight I just wanted Ellie to stop. Despite me not liking her in the slightest I still didn’t want her to die. Video games never really make me feel this way. Usually I either like the characters or I want to kill them. But it’s so much deeper in tlou2.
Another good vid man
I replayed the game. I don't think Ellie letting go of Abby was anything to do with Abby as a person. I mean get the sense it is a case of asking you about NPCs while just killing dozens of them. It is the game is more based on revenge based on grief than one based on retribution. I think most people dislike the game miss this. I don't think Ellie and Abby care for either even on some kind of hateful level. It seems like people are projecting feelings on to Abby and Ellie. They want to make this some kind of shonen anime rivalry when it isn't really. For each other, both are almost like ''NPCs'' to each other. Abby didn't care for Ellie much until the theater. Even then when she told Abby about her immunity, Abby was confused and flabbergasted. She thought it was just Tommy coming after her friends. Abby never gave much thought to Ellie. She never imagines she had a fatherly bond with Joel. She probably thought Joel killed off that immune girl or gave her to a different group. After all, to a bystander, a smuggler caring for his human cargo would seem odd. It is similar for Ellie. Who is and why Abby did doesn't really matter to Ellie. Her rage to kill Abby seemed more like it was about unconscious guilt dealing with the fallout of their relationship after he told her the truth about what he did at the hospital. Ellie probably felt like she played a hand in his death by alienating him by keeping her distance from him. She destroyed a chance to connect with him and create so many great memories. Remember how many all of the flashbacks deal with Ellie's relationship with Joel. Chasing after Abby was an outlet to deal with that frustration.
Abby doesn't exist remember? She died by falling off a cliff
@@gohan2791 No she hanged herself after Joel Flamethrowered her Dad
@@lostsoul4784 your right
Ok but why is she a whole man she has the biggest arms and body for someone who grew up in the apocalypse food is scarce doesn’t work for me
This game is a masterpiece
Nice joke fam
@@gohan2791 If where you live jokes are facts, then thank you :)
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No it's not you fucking moron!
@@MichaelM28 Damn, you're salty asf, i love it! I don't blame you for having the most awarded game of all time rent free in your head my dude
i absolutely love abby, she is my favorite character in the game, i remember being genuinely surprised after finishing the game and going online to find out that some people hated her and wanted her dead at the end. It was so polarizing watching someone during the final fight saying "YES ELLIE DO IT" after i was saying "ELLIEEE please stopp". i just cant understand how anyone could play the entire game and not at least understand abby. I believe that by the end, abby has become a better person, compare the abby during the final fight and abby at the beginning of the game and you'll see a completely different person who developed over time. I also believe that ellie is beginning her redemption arc which already started by letting abby live and hopefully she will become a better person by the end of a part 3.
Imagine the first game is about abby and her father and you grow to love them then by the end a random smuggler comes out of no where and kills the character who you loved and stops your favorite character's ability to save humanity, Joel would look no less than a monster. Fast forward to the second game and now you play as Abby and you found the man who killed Jerry, every player would be so happy when abby kills him then imagine halfway through the second game it switches to Ellie, every player would be extremely pissed and ask why are they playing as the monster who killed their favorite character and doomed humanity's daughter. Its all about perspective and people just cant seem to see that
That’s why I love the last of us (both games) it shows us things aren’t as black and white as we’re usually so comfortable with, I’ve heard about people accusing this game of emotional manipulation, which I do not get, would they prefer them to act like comic book villains? Not like human beings?
And as for the first game’s ending; there are people who still vilify Joel for that to this day, which kind of scares me
I couldn’t agree more besides I loved Abby way more than Ellie because she had better weapons skills and outfits Ellie on the other hand I hated every outfit she wore in part 2 the only outfit I liked on Ellie was the jumpsuit plus we can change outfits either which is dumb but at least we get infinite stuff and render modes better than nothing plus I wish Abby’s ponytail didn’t get cut off but hey it’ll grow back
Yo ap. Remember when you said i should play last of us instead of miles well i did and i am in love. Thank you for the request
I’m happy you loved it
I’ve played both the last of us part two and Spiderman Miles Morales and I got to say miles morales was a better game
Did yourself a huge disservice rethink and contemplate your life choices
I'm a 44 year old man and played last of us 2 and Abby is my favorite in this masterpiece game.
Abby is the most likeable character/ only good person
Making you love a character is tough, but Naughty Dog did the impossible. They make you hate a character first, and then love them. It's like with Ellie we started at 0 and then at the end of the first game we loved her as a 10. In Part II, they bring our opinion of Abby down to a -10. And then rise it 20 points until she's a 10 as well. It's brilliant.
I dont think I've ever went from hating to liking a character before. Abby for me changed my perspective on some things in life.
"the hero in our story might be the villain in someone else's"
Joel killing Abby's father ruined her life.
To be fair, abby’s dad kidnapped a child to make a vaccine for a fungus (that is literally impossible) and tried to kill joel, none of this was joels fault, abby’s dad ruined abby’s life
@@darkmatter1721 did you forget the first game? The entire first game was set up to have you drop ellie off at the fireflies and it wasn't Abby's dad that had that idea. He was only introduced to do the surgery on ellie. Joel killed him because he stood up to him when he stopped the process to save ellie. If you think about the game, Abby lost all of her friends and loved ones after taking a loved one from someone else. Takes something happening to you to realise the truth sometimes. She lost her humanity like the video says. She was slowly becoming an aggressive monster until meeting Liv .
@@linkmaster253 slowly my ass, she tortured an old man infront of what is basically his daughter, also abby’s dad isn’t even the same, their skin color is different in the first and second game, they fucking reconned the games just so someone could kill a beloved character for no justified reason
@@darkmatter1721 “for no justified reason” do you understand how fictional storytelling works? Anything in this crazy franchise can be thrown to the side using that argument
@@darkmatter1721 the association bias is strong in this comment
I genuinely enjoyed what you had to say in terms of why there are people who liked Abby's character. Admittedly, I was someone who was mixed on her character but as I thought about the game after finishing it, I've slowly started to admire her character even more. You make a good point that you can still like a character even if you don't like them as a person. Think about it: Many people love Joel despite the fact that he has done some terrible things for the sake of his own survival. Joel is an amazing character but not necessarily an amazing human being. Joel is a very flawed person but the first game humanized him. Abby is a flawed character but part 2 humanized her. If either of them were portrayed as perfect people with virtually no flaws, it would make for boing characters. The best characters are the ones who have just as many flaws as they do redeeming qualities.
While I understand that there are people who still hate Abby with a passion, I never understood why they thought sending death threats to Laura Bailey was going to do any good. In my opinion, if Abby really was a hateful character, she would have been written as a character who killed Joel for no reason at all. In addition to that, she would have left Yara and Lev on their own to die. Basically, she would have been portrayed as a character with absolutely no humanity nor would she have slowly changed herself for the better.
As time went on, I've come to the conclusion that The Last of Us Part 2, while not perfect, is a bold masterpiece. It's a game that I feel needs to be revisited at least one more time in order to get a better understanding of the themes of the story. How many times have we changed our opinion on a game or movie after a 2nd playthrough/viewing?
Anyway, I think your content is well made and I certainly hope your channel gains more attention as time goes on.
I agree with you.
Also, thanks for the kind words in the end 🙏🏼
Absolutely
I dug her...her murder of Joel was ruthless...but, her motivations and backstory added so many layers of complexity to the storyline. I really, really enjoyed her combat...she was more aggressive, snapping necks and direct in contrast to the stealth and slit your throat approach.
The way I see it is this, Eli not killing Abby is the first step to Ellie own redemption just as Joel saved Ellie at the end of the first game. Abby may play an important role in regards to how that may play out in the next game if that ends up happening.
Playing as abby was goddamn fun I literally couldn't stop punching enemies lol
Bro, when she is cut down from the noose by Lev and picks up the hammer. I got fucking goosebumps!
Lol for real. I actually enjoyed her power packed / muscle bound gameplay more so than I did playing with Ellie :)
You sure?
Because Playing as Ellie made me really enjoy feeling scared, defenceless while being agile and stealthily resourceful with everything around me at the same time.
@@jareddavulture58 I agree on that part I got goosebumps when she did that. I also get goosebumps when she is trying to survive from the rat king, battling Ellie and Dina, Ellie again, etc.
The emphasis on the ideas of her being "Empty" and how everything she did to track Joel was "Not worth it" was amazing and honestly this video explains beautifully how Abby should be seen. I've said this before but Andrew is a genius 👏.
Thanks for the kind words Sidpie 🙏🏼
I can't believe how ND turned it around during the Abby section. Just frothing mad at playing her after the cliffhanger, but eventually I gave in to empathy and I'm better off for it. Can't wait to see what she's up to in part 3
This game is actually a masterpiece! Naughty dog knows how to make a good story When ellie and abby fighted at the end, I didn’t want any character to die and ellie actually lets abby go and realized that revenge won’t give her anything but regrets This game is just amazing I love it so much❤️
*fought . But yes I agree
@@dylana.9057 yeah my bad 😅
I agree with you dark lord
One thing anybody talks about Abby's personality is that she feels like a piece of shit in the game. We can see it 3 times. 1) "Owen: Under that badass exterior, you can be pretty sweet too. Abby: You have a bad memory." It looked like was a joke but it has deep meaning. 2) In gameplay day 3 Yara was talking about what Lev said to her about Abby's courage and Abby answer "He is a liar". 3)"Yara: Mel's wrong, y'know. You're a good person. Abby: You don't know me." This one is obvious to see the meaning.
No one hates Abby as much as she hates herself.
Even though ellie is a sensitive person, she struggles with certain things she can't forget. She cannot forgive entirely his dad for what he did. At the same time that unforgiveness grants her a debt with his when he is murdered. Abby on the other hand is a hundred percent empathic person, she may feel anger and need for revenge but she doesn't burn the whole world as ellie to achieve it. She does what she have to do and that's it. She forgives and understands. Ellie doesn't, or at least not until she finds out that her whole vengeance was futile. She lost everything the same way she took everything from Abby to fulfill her vengeance. I must say I empathize more with Abby by the end of the game because of her compassion. I felt ellie to be too rigid and merciless and incapable to understand how far she was going
She was going to let Abby’s friends go but they ended up getting themselves killed.
@@greytakerrev7147 she killed Mel without hesitation though only later to find out she was pregnant and was only trying to defend. The game I think, makes it obvious that both Abby and ellie have the same backgrounds and motives but their doings and characters are different. Ellie is somehow like the red army over Germany.
@@adamantiuscloudcat1799 pretty sure self defense is still a concept even in the apocalypse she charged at Ellie with a knife after Owen got himself shot on accident if you didn’t press the button against Mel Ellie would be dead.
@@greytakerrev7147 I guess tresspasing is also a full active concept in an apocaliptic scenario. What would you expect Mel and Owen to do when they get surprised by Ellie in THEIR OWN place? Ice-cream and cake?
@@adamantiuscloudcat1799 no give Ellie the information she needed and she would have let them live like she said instead they got themselves killed. Of course though just like Nora they got themselves killed to protect Abby.
I think that people who hate Abby is because they are not empathic, they only think that she killed Joel but they can't put on her shoes and feel what she felt on all that story... that's sad.
You've made a great video about Abby. I felt the same way when I played TLOU2 first time.
This really is an unique game.
I also like that you pointed out that the Fireflies weren't good guys either.
They could've explained Joel and Ellie the price of the vaccine and let them talk about it.
Instead they took away their choice, which forced Joel to make a choice of his own.
So, here is my opinion:
Life is about making choices and live with the consequences.
100% agree mate
The concept for the next video is great..... looking forward to it
The next video is gonna be very exciting to make.
You deserve a million subscribers, truly. Your videos are so gorgeous and thought out and beautifully scripted
I loved playing as Ellie but I also liked playing as Abby because of the way her character was set up.
Glad that this video exist, thank you! Also, a lot of people criticizing Abby watched tlou2 on youtube (including my friends, the play only on pc) and did not control her. There is a very thin matter called projection, as in abstract reconstruction. Abby plays exactly like Joel in tlou1, heavy movements, brutal melee, shiv crafting, plank puzzles etc. So not only Joel present in the story as a catalyst, he’s present in a gameplay.
I loved the game! Abby is a very good characrer and people must understand that life is cruel and everyone is fighting to survive. Someone's hero may be someone's villain
I disagree
She is trash the story made 0 snese 0 how the fuck doest it make sense to waste 30 hours on a game then you dont kill abby naughty dog should have made a choice kill or spare but neil fuckman has to ruin another and why does tlou2 have to have lbgtq transgender i play game to have fun not neil fuckman care about my religion why tf this game have a sex scene i dont want to watch porn i want to play a game neil fuckman
@@raphaelvarane9424 why is having a transgender character a bad thing? There is a lot of trans people in the world, you know? Also you can just skip that s€x scene
@@esekulic337 she’s not trans she just a women
@@Vinnylo357 and where did i exactly state that she is trans?
I just finished my forth playthrough and I finally got a understanding of Abbie i didn't have before. She is us...the players. We feel abused and feel hate toward the devs. Abbie lets us see things from not only a different view but from a view of a outside person. Someone who didn't play the first game. But we did we fell in love with Joel and Ellie and we forgot that everyone we killed as Joel was a person. You play through the hospital sequence slaughtering without mercy as Joel gets us more and more hyped. We can only move forward. Abbie reminds us these are people with lives. Take a step back and once Abbie looks past the hatred of the scars she sees not all of are insane. It's not a matter of right or wrong for Abbie. It's a matter of principal. These kids are gonna die without you. They need you. Just as us the players needed Joel to die deep down for us to see past him. To see that what he did didnt just affect the world but it affected people. Our hatred of the game as a whole hurt those who slaved over it.
As the game went on Abby became my favorite character.
Same
I do appreciate her but no feelings tbh
Well, maybe....maybe I feel for her a little but I'd be lying if I say I like her.
Abby is the hero of my game. She did only one thing that I wouldn't do, and Lev easily convinced her, that it was the wrong thing to do.
Otherwise she did nothing, that I personally would not have done. Yes she killed Joel, BUT he murdered her father. I wold have prolonged that moment, but she didn't.
Other than that, she only killed other people when backed into a corner, and it was either them or her.
Ellie on the other hand killed ALL of Abby's friends, and Abby let her go... TWICE. And Ellie could not let it go, she still wanted to kill Abby..
Abby did nothing wrong in this game...Prove me wrong.
May your survival be long,
My favourite character in the whole game 😍 she need to be in the next one if they make a part lll
Well if someone killed my father, plus denying the hope from millions of people to become immune to a zombie virus, I would be pissed too. I really much liked the part with Abby, and her killing Joel was quite understandable as you discover her perspective and background story.
I would be angry too if someone that took care of me and loved me so much, I would go after that person as well who killed my parents who love me. Once vengeance takes over you’re not that person no more all you want is justice and revenge and that what happened to Abby. In my view of Abby I think her vengeance make sense because Joel, killed her father in cold blood which he didn’t attack at all. Then, Marlene, Ellie mother figure when her mom died, she died by Joel, without even shooting or attacking Joel, which also makes it cold blood.
In this channel I feel safe enough to say my opinion without getting judged every time. Thank you.
(1 curiosity ): I love Abby as a person as well cuz I feel her pain and see her's personality and looks like me. When she cried after hearing Mel, I cried with her. She can be sweet.
I agree and I like Abby as well
I was taken out of that moment when you realize she willingly gets Owen to cheat on her
@@therookie1142 No she doesn't lol Owen was the one who was all for it. Abby literally tries to tell him to back off afterwards seeing as she knew she fucked up and even gets on Owen for it. If you played the game you would know that
Yeah I am with you there, I get a lot of negative people criticizing me and even calling me an psycho to love a person who killed Joel and loves to torture people and loves killing. To me I never once seen her torture someone (except Joel), I never once seen her smirk whenever she kills someone. She doesn’t enjoy killing anyone because she is trying to survive. You can clearly tell she is a good person because when we get to her arc she constantly having nightmares and you always see this sad expression on her face. And when Mel got after her about a bad person she really was, you can clearly tell she literally hated how she is and what she did. Once she knew Lev and Yara even more her friendly and protective side came in. That why I love Abby super much and she is my most favorite character of all times! I love how serious, badass, friendly, funny, and protective she is.
I agree with you. Initially I hated Abbey ... did not understand her, what her motive was - nothing. But when we discover her reasons and start playing her I actually grew to like her character just as much as Ellie and Joel in fact in some ways more so. I think we would be lying to ourselves if we deny there is a bit of Abbey in all of us. What she did for Lev was her road to redemption. At first her drive was revenge for her dad ... if someone killed my folks would I feel any different? The only thing which was wrong was the way she killed him. Yes she also wanted to slit Dina’s throat even though she knew she was pregnant but that might have been in response to Ellie killing Mel and Owen.
At the end I didn’t want Ellie to kill Abbey and luckily I got my wish. Abbey didn’t want to fight Ellie so maybe she had finally seen the worth in revenge does not pay. Btw what a bad ass double act they would make on the same team.
I loved part 2 just as much as part 1 but that’s just my opinion and I hope they bring out a part 3 or at least a DLC/Lost Legacy type add on story.
Thanks for this video 👍🏼
The game doesn't work without Abby.
hy! Sorry my english, im a braziliam and i finishing the game yesterday, MAN! I didn't feel like pressing the square button in the last fight, i love Abby and her redemption, her history. Great video!
Yasss! I’m here for this! 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
I really liked Abby I liked that ND took players out of their comfort zone by showing Abby kill Joel then putting players in control of Abby and watch as Abby slowly realizes that killing Joel didn't bring Jerry back and how she got on the road to redemption which we will see more of in part 3 or a stand-alone Abby game.
Strangely enough, playing as Elle in Santa Barbara by the time we get to the beach I don't even wanna kill Abby anymore I just want Elle to let Abby and Lev go, great video I am going to sub
I know I’m 2 years late but you said everything i was thinking but didn’t have the words to say!! So glad yt recommended your channel. No one is innocent and everyone is suffering. This game is a true test of empathy, imo. Much 💗
Is Abby a horrible person? or did her environment and misfortunes make her this way? I think people who believe in an 'eye for and eye' mentality will connect with Abby as I did and loved her part as well as the chemistry with her an Lev. Keeping in mind it was Joel who killed her Father in the first place to start this cycle of death and that wasn't Abby's fault although her choices were the response to this hence killing Joel. Abby wasn't even aware of a lot of deaths of her friends such as the woman at the hospital and Leah at the TV station but seeing her love Owen dead and knowing it was her choices which caused it put it in perspective. As I played as Abby and Lev, I felt the chemistry from the first TLOU again and I liked that. I hope they make a return in the next game.
The fact, that most people blindly hate Abby and her friends just shows the sad truth, that most people don't understand the game.
Some truly deep , honest , heartfelt analysis . It's exactly what I've been feeling all along .
I think you could have also touched on how Abby and Lev's relationship is very similar to Joel and Ellie . How abby becomes like the one she killed ( very poetic ) . Or how Abby and Ellie are reflection for one another and that's why they hate one another .
But you talked about the most important thing imo . Beautiful work ❤
Thank you for the kind words Dylan 🙏🏼
I love abby. Shes great.
Abby is one of my favorite video game characters ever. She killed one of, if not the most beloved characters in this medium and yet I feel for her on an emotional level. That is a testament to how great this game is. Laura Bailey’s performance matched with the complexity of her character is some of the most refreshing character writing I’ve ever seen. Good characters are bad people doing good things and good people doing bad things. Joel wasn’t any better than her, he was blinded by his own selfishness. But yet we hate a vengeful daughter of man he killed who spared Ellie not once but twice. Abby showed remorse even after Ellie killed all her friends. The reason she did this was because she had someone to think about, a reason to survive and that was Lev. And that is exactly what Joel did and we don’t hate him for it, down purely to perspective. I find that fascinating and the game, a masterpiece. In fact I think it’s the greatest video game story of all time.
I loved Abby more than Ellie and I know they did that on purpose. The only character I have ever been obsessed over was Claire Redfield since Resi 2 original in 1998. I was never attached to Joel or Ellie, they have always just been characters to me. Abby was really great though and I could relate to her a lot. it seems to happen with female characters who tie their hair back. Its odd.
Very interesting to say the least 🤔
I came in hating Abby automatically but eventually started liking her and I feel embarrassed bout it 😐
Happened to me and that’s the purpose of the game. To introduce perspective and make you be aware of our own personal bias
I don't hate Abby for killing Joel. I hate those mf developers that wrote such a stupid story to make that doctor Abby's father. Don't hate Abby. Hate those motherfu*kin developers.
I love Abby, but I understand why very hard for so many people to like him, and i can understand why she's hated. She killed Joel, half blinded Tommy, beat up Ellie and Dina. But there are reasons behind his actions, She killed Joel because he killed her father, half blinded Tommy, because Tommy killed Manny in the eye, beat up Ellie because she killed her friends. Even when Ellie says that Dina is pregnant, the reason why she said good because Ellie killed Mel and she was pregnant too.
Finally someone who understands the story thank you and I agree
@@briyanapanton7437 Thank you. The public were so attached to Ellie and Joel that they couldn't see the reasons for some characters actions, and because of that, after that they were trashing the game for shitty writing, and that the story doesn't make any sense.
I dont think Abby should kill Dina for being pregnant more alike for trying to kill her.
What i don't like about Abby is that she never puts herself in Ellie's shoes she never question why she killed her friends if she killed Joel for revenge don't you think his brother and a Ellie who's screaming his name from the top of her lungs to make her stop would not want revenge for that person?
@@smoker5989 Ellie Joel and Tommy fidnt put themselves in Abby's shoes either. Why would they have revenge if it's even after Abby had revenge and told her friends to let them live.
I always enjoy your content. Especially these TLOU Part 2 videos. For a long time I felt like I was the only one who was completely blown away by part 2. Loved it. Probably my favorite piece of media.
Your channel is underrated, just subscribed
Thanks Dino for subscribing and joining this amazing and positive community we are building here. More videos to come out soon 🙏🏼🔥
„You’re my people” it was the same with me. That line changed everything.
Thank you for this. On my first playthrough, I was utterly dissapointed when I got to play as Abby. Then, as time went on, I grew to empathize with her.
After a few coulple of playthroughs in the span of 2-3 years, something dawned on me - there were moments where I despised Ellie, and rooted for Abby.
Joel didn't just kill abbys dad, he killed so many fireflies that he ended the existence of the fireflies.
Thank you so much for your video. From the moment I finished the game, my favourite character was Abby but everyone I spoke to hated her. Well I understand the 'hate' as being Human is to connect and we did with Joel in the first game. But she has so many layers of personality that makes her so Human. When my father passed away. I was so sad and angry, it still feels I have lost one part of myself. So I can even relate how she pursuit to seek vengence. But the most amazing thing is the Pain was so much and undeniable, she simply had to let go to live on.
I hope one day everyone can appreciate her character 🙂
Love Abby more and more specially her physical appearance
I like that you like her appearance. I don’t like how everyone makes fun of her for that, women are shaped like that too, people forget that.
@@Blaquebarbgamer
Agree!
Natural trained women can be very beautiful. If you want a real life example, search for "Arleen Schüßler". One of the most beautiful bodies i have ever seen.
@@Blaquebarbgamer yeah I think Abby is a bad ass
I love this game, and abbys redemption arc is fantastic
Very good video, I like what you said about understanding others' perspectives, important message
I like her more then Ellie
Agreed
I don't understand the hate for this game. It's a masterpiece from start to finish.
I love how you talk about Abby’s perspective of things. They were suffering and Experiencing pain Because they lost loved ones. Kakashi Sensei said to sasuke. You need to forget about revenge I seen people go for revenge and it never ends well. And even if you did get your revenge what will you have then nothing, emptiness. Well he wasn’t wrong because Abby lost everything because she got her revenge and as a result she has nothing left. No friends left. I also like the fact you used the cycle of hatred and I mentioned that in one of my comments in the why Abby was hated video.
Abby is the most interesting protagonist ever explored in gaming. I love her.
I loved Abby. I really wish the game would have given a choice of which character you wanted to end the game with. I found her storyline and character development so well evolved and enriching to play through.
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The Last of Us Part II is truly a devise game. Its understandable that not everyone liked/loved Abby as a character. A lot of people even outright hated her for what she did to Joel and many wanted her to die. I know this game should not be considered a revenge story because there is a lot of other themes that are being explored such as empathy and forgiveness. But lets entertain the theme of revenge for a moment. I know a lot of people calling TLOU 2 a poorly written revenge story and going on about the "revenge is bad" and hated it. Why? Is it that this theme is universal and overused? Or are these people angry about Abby gets to live in the end? I really think its the latter. But why though? I wanna shed some light on one of the reasons why people are pissed about Abby gets to live in the end.
I've noticed a lot of trend lately involving revenge stories being glorified and romanticized in many movies and games. What I mean is that the revenge stories are portrayed in a heroic and glorified manner that makes it look good typically for the protagonists/heroes in the stories. Even more so when the villains/antagonists are truly despicable and evil individuals. Those stories are glorified to the point that many may consider "revenge is good". Movies like Gladiator (with Russel Crowe), Kill Bill (Vol 1-2), Inglorious Bastards, Django Unchained, John Wick, and games like GTA 4, Prototype 2, Dishonored, Shadow of Mordor, Ghost of Tsushima, and Red Dead Redemption 2 are all great examples of revenge stories being glorified because do you know why? Because most of these villains are portrayed as truly evil and one dimensional. Most of the heroes I pointed out above in those stories do not usually do not face serious consequences after defeating/killing the villains. My point is that we as the audience have mostly become accustomed and used to these typical romanticized revenge stories, which is why its so difficult for a lot of people to accept TLOU 2's ending. We relish seeing the villains suffer for the crimes they committed to the protagonist because we take in that feeling of catharsis we typically experience from glorified revenge stories and when don't get that feeling with Abby, people become furious We become angry with TLOU 2 for not being what we wanted. We also have to consider is that most of these revenge stories are written for entertainment purpose.
I also see a lot of people unfairly comparing TLOU 2's revenge theme with other revenge stories such as "If The Bride spare Bill because revenge bad", "If Django spare the brittle brothers because revenge bad", "If Niko Bellic spare Dimitri because revenge bad", and most iconic stories that people compare with TLOU 2 is "If John Wick spared the guy who killed his dog because revenge bad" and "If John Marston spared Micah because revenge is bad". Seriously these comments are ridiculous. Those villains got what they deserved, no need to dwell on the what ifs. Lets be honest, Iosef (the guy who killed John Wick's dog) is a scumbag and no less a son of a Russian mobster, and mobsters are typically portrayed as villains so revenge part are written to make them more justifiable. Micah Bell is a character that was written purposefully to be hated and with no redeeming qualities, making his death all the more satisfying. What we saw in TLOU 2 portrayed revenge in a different manner as there is no satisfaction for Abby when she killed Joel. Ellie will not get the same satisfaction from killing Abby either. And neither of those deaths are glorified.
I think people's perception of revenge are shaped by those kinds of glorified revenge stories. The bitter reality is that revenge in real life is not so romanticized or glorified than we make it out to be in movies and games. I'm nor talking about revenge as a prank or get even with someone. I'm talking about the kind of revenge that involves killing a person who took the life of a loved one from you. The kind of revenge that is shown in TLOU 2. The kind of revenge that slowly poisons you and becomes an obsession. Ask yourself, is real life revenge truly glorified? Will you truly feel better after killing that person who took your loved one? Will you be able to walk away without facing any repercussions? If you answer yes to all those questions, then ask yourself "Do I want to find out?" or "Can I afford to find out?" Do you wanna hear my answer? I pray that you and I never find out. I pray we never have to experience ourselves in Ellie or Abby's shoes in real life.
What do you thing AP Nerds? What is your take on my long essay?
In terms of my personal perspective on Abby as a character, she is a well written character because she is written as a human being. But I'm still personally with team Ellie.
My own viewpoint: I don't think Ellie letting go of Abby has anything to do with her as a person. It is just an internalized struggle. It isn't really about how ''thinking about NPCs'' and then ignoring dozens of NPCs you killed. The game is more about revenge based on grief than revenge based on retribution.
I don't think Ellie and Abby really even think about each other much and even on some kind of hateful level. It seems like the fanbase wants to turn into some kind of shonen anime rivalry when it isn't really. That's why the discussion about Abby has become a ''Team Ellie'' and '' Team Abby'' when it isn't really.
Abby didn't even notice Ellie much until the theater. Even then when she told Abby about her immunity, Abby was flabbergasted. She figured it was just Tommy going after them. Abby never gave much thought to Ellie.
It is similar for Ellie. Who is and why Abby did doesn't really matter to Ellie. Her rage to kill Abby seemed more like it was about unconscious guilt dealing with the fallout of their relationship after he told her the truth about what he did at the hospital. Ellie probably felt like she played a hand in his death by alienating him by keeping her distance from him. She destroyed a chance to connect with him and create so many great memories. That's why all of the flashbacks during Ellie's section deal with the points as Ellie and Joel's relationship keep deteriorating. Chasing after Abby was an outlet to deal with that frustration. Abby isn't even on her mind when she's trying to drown her. So, Last of Us part 2 is more about than revenge based on grief than retribution.
@@ash9280 I agree completely! Ellie's anger is derived from her unconscious guilt of alienating Joel. However, when the TLOU 2 came out and a lot of people are angry about Abby getting to live, I don't think a lot of people really realized Ellie's internal struggle. They're fixated on Ellie getting to kill Abby for what she did. People are expecting another one of those as you said "retributive revenge story". Like I said in my long comment, people enjoy and gravitates towards these glorified revenge stories because they're emotionally appealing and satisfying. We enjoy a hero triumph over the villain and getting their revenge in those stories, usually killing the villain. A lot of people are expecting another one of those retribution revenge story with TLOU 2 and like you said, it's really more about Ellie dealing with her grief.
And now we need a video about why joel is loved.
Honestly theres not a lot to that. Practically joel is so loved because hes so broken. We get to sympathize with him every second he spends with ellie knowing what went down with sarah. Occasionally we see him get protective over ellie and loving her like his daughter. We also see how he never forgets about sarah and definitely does not replace her with ellie. Hes such a loving man and will go all the way to protect and help not just his loved ones but everyone in need just like he did with abby.. we get to see him evolve and become a better person. Generally i would say that people who are really closed to themselves ( just like joel was in the beginning of the 1st game) are the ones that you feel the need to connect with them, not just in the game but in real life too..You wanna be liked by everyone ( idk if its just me but i dont think so lol)so while joels and ellies relationship grows, the players connection to joel does too. You feel like the more he accepts ellie into his life he does the same with you. ( idk if thats how you feel though i definitely do so um i guess i tried explaining my point of view but if you dont thats ok you can lmk why tho im open to anything :))
That’s in the plans 🔥👏🏼
@@ronifr837 that's is one of the most incredible comments i've ever see in a long time. Well Joel is my all time favorite character in any media due to his mindbloying character development. The thing is many people say that they do him dirty in part 2 and his death was diserspectful to his character as one of the most beloved character in gaming but what i want to say is what truly matter in a man life is not how he died but how he lived. Joel killed to survive, he doomed humanity just because he didn't want to lose Ellie, and he becomed a good man in jackson saving stranger and helping people to protect jackson, he even becomed a man of god remember "if somehow the lord..." ,and a man of art and music and finaly a loving father. That's what i called a good character development.
@@mohamedmejdoubi4717 this is exactly what im talking about. He knew that what he did was wrong so he tried to change for the better. He supports ellies choices and loves her like no one ever has. Hes a loving and kind man and thats what cost him his life. If you remember in the first game while him and ellie first set foot in Pittsburg she asked him about the hunters and how he knew that it was a trap. There he admits to her that in fact he has killed alot of people but when Joel settles in jakson with ellie he takes a turn for the better. He knows that this empty choice he made cost humanity the cure to this mess, so i think that in a way he tries to make up for that by helping people survive. That includes taking patrols, helping abby or even in a way defending ellie when seth started harassing her.. this man is just incredible and what hurt me the most is the way ellie treated him during that scene and any other besides the museum. All this time we spent with the duo in the first game we see that ellie wanted his acceptance.. it really messes with your head the fact that in part two its the other way around. Joel tries to get ellie to forgive him and make things right again. Its bizarre..
@@ronifr837 I think that Ellie's revenge show how she cared about Joel. She love him more than anything in the world. She even left Dina just to avenge him, and the final scene show how much she cared about him. When joel said to Ellie "I will do it all over again" she realise that the choice that Joel made in the first game wad the right one, she even write on her journal earlier on the game that she can't tell Jesse and Dina her bestfriends about the truth about Joel because they won't understand. I can talk about this story aaaaall day this why i love it.
It took me a very long time to see abby perspective, I may not love abby but i understand now her not as a character but as a human being, I see what she was doing now, and sometimes I can be selfish and i put myself first before others but now i see it now i see everyones perspective on this character, i dont love this but ive learned to appreciate it now. Thank you for helping me seeing a different side of abby! Much love and respect 👏❤
I’m beyond humbled to hear this. I also side with what you feel. I don’t necessarily love Abby but I can also understand her as a human being. There is always gonna be different perspective and if we just try to just understand other views, we can appreciate the differences although we don’t necessarily gotta agree all the time which is ok. Much love and respect back to you Callum and thanks for being such a respect guy while sharing your views 🙏🏼
Game of the generation for me.. I understand why both women have desires to seek revenge. Put that aside for a second and drown yourself in the amazing game play, music and storyline this game offers... this game is not about revenge.. its about putting yourself in someone else's shoes and seeing that we all arnt much different. Love your videos sir keep up the excellent work
Yea game of the generation lets forget the fact that not only she kills Joel and the game treats him like an idiot disrespectfully its "game of the generation" cause we are forced to play with the hulk monster that killed our favorite character and somehow is allowed to live without any sense of revenge
Hell no😂
Nope 👎
I'm about to share this video with Angry Joe & a few others!
This game is such a Masterpiece! Love Abby's Character... & her whole crew...just as much as Joel & Elle.
Beautiful game... shame people just wasn't ready for this game
"I'm about to share this video with Angry Joe..."
Why would you share a video with someone who already made his mind before game release?
I like abby in part 2
“We always tell ourselves that, I am not that person. I am nothing like that person. That person is an other, a monster, not worthy. And every time we say that, it is always a lie.”
The parallels between Joel and Abby is insane. They both lost a beloved family member and that made them cynical and bitter. They have both brutally murdered many to try heal that pain but it was all for nothing and didn’t make them feel better. They both lost relationships due to their ruthlessness but they found their light (Ellie and lev) which gave them something to fight for and protect which restored their humanity. Both of their consequences caught up to them, Joel was brutally killed and all Abby’s friends were killed. In the theatre, Abby realised that killing Dina would make her no better than Ellie for killing Mel and she decided to end the cycle cause she knew she would lose more if she did kill Dina. Ellie realised this too, she saw Abby’s love for lev was a parallel to Joel’s love for her and knew if she killed Abby infront of lev, it would be the same as the way she witnessed Joel die and lev would seek revenge and probably harm Dina or jj. Ellie realised that Joel wanted Ellie’s life to be comfortable and happy, which she would have on the farm with Dina. The damage is done, so many are dead and so many relationships are broken because of two broken people, there is no good or bad guy, no one is good in the world of the last of us, the game is trying to tell the story of perspective because if the first game was in Abby’s pov, you’d be watching Joel’s death with popcorn. There’s no point not even trying a game and then bashing the cast and crew because you didn’t understand the story, Laura Bailey didn’t deserve death threats and she did a phenomenal performance and deserved her award for best performance in the game awards. The last of us part 2 is complicated but in a way, a beautiful story about humanity.
I used to hate abby, but i loved her eventually when i played her side of the story
#TeamAbby!!
I’m so glad I waited 2 years to play the game. I loved Abby and it actually made me view Ellie in a different way .
Amazing video, thank you
Y'all acting like Abby killed Joel 'just because.' She literally lost her father over some dude. And Joel dug his own grave. He didn't had to take it that far to kill the poor guy. I understand he was defending himself but BRUH...IT'S A FUCKING KNIFE. He could've simply knocked him out then left then BOOM! No Abby problems, no nothing and everyone has a good life.
I'm waiting in the comments for the action
Same 😂😂
Im you 667th comment now lol.
Btw best analysis of this game ever . Abbys fighting style is like joel's . Do a video parallel to their combat movies.
Naughty dog move was ballsy but i loved it. Played the game twice and will be again 😊😊
Man, You're Amazing!