Excellent video describing ETOPS. ETOPS alternates in the planning phase need to meet alternate minimum requirements according to the airline Ops Specs. After block out we go to actual published mins.
Thanks for the simple explanation @captainnav it was very clear. I can only strongly recommend to follow him on all channels and also tune in when he is streaming on twitch. You can ask what you want, and you will receive a detailed explanation! Greetings The VFR Pilot 😉
Captain! Been a long time watcher of your PMDG 777 tutorials since 2020. They're a great help! I would like to ask however, what does the 420 mile ring represent? I know it's airline specific, but does it have to do something with a/c performance?
Thank you for the kind commsnt. To answer your question, ths 420nm circles//rings represent the limits of ETOPS. Outside the rings you are ETOPS, and vice versa.
Hey, great tutorial ! Just a quick heads up it seems you used CYYT as the ETOPS exit airport and alternate at the same time. From what I've seen the alternates always are (have to be?) different then the entry / exit airports
Hi thanks for tuning in. You can definitely use the exit airport as an ETOPS alternate, it does not matter if the alternate is also the exit. If you go to an isolated airport, this will probably be the case. Your departure/destination airports can also be ETOPS alternates.
Cool! So basically it’s just something you use so that, in case of an emergency, you don’t need to focus and use time on deciding which is the better option but you can immediately decide where to go. As for the suitable airports, does the dispatcher pick the airports also considering which are the best for the company (like if they are a base for the company) or is it purely a safety choice?
Yeah that's right, but you are not obliged to stick to the nominated airports if you decide otherwise. To be honest, I would need to ask a dispatcher what the criteria are as the suitable airports, on the North Atlantic, for example, change all the time regardless of the weather.
For me as flightsimmer: if i wanted to plan a flight from Seattle to dubai, it would usually tell that it does not require etops. Now I think that its not quite correct that over northern Canada and Greenland you would definitely go with etops cause there is barely anything suitable to fly to. Now what would happen irl in that case? Would I just look for any suitable alternate out of that big database of airports?
Hi... I can definitely confirm that for a flight ftom Seattle to Dubai (on a 777 I guess) you need ETOPS for the part of the flight over Northern Canada, the North Pole and the north of Russia. Once you are in the air, you would look for an airport decent enough to welcome your aircraft type and with good weather. There aren't a lot of these airports up there, so the choice is restricted and any diversion quite long.
Very interesting. What I like to know, how can ETOPS work on the isolated route from Sydney or Auckland to Santiago de Chile, as on the route flown, there is only ocean and the antarctic, and no available airports that I know of where an airliner can land. Papeete in Tahiti looks too far north. Can someone please look into this, and let me know what alternative airports are possible on this long-haul sector. Currently, it is being serviced by the two engined 787. Before then, it was always serviced by a quad jet.
Hi thank you for your question. On the Sydney to Santiago route there are a couple of options like Easter Island and some Pacific islands. I believe the ETOPS rating for the 787 is quite high (not sure exactly what it is) so you don't need a lot of airports on the way for sure.
@@CaptainNav It is not so much the amount of available airports for redundancy, but the distance to the few available that I am concerned about. I have flown this route a number of times when the route was serviced by an A340 or 747. Even with the four engines, you are very aware of the isolated route you are flying. The route taken does track very far south, which is a long way from any of the Pacific islands such as Easter island or Papeete in French Polynesia. I was on a LATAM plane when something did go wrong and was told by the flight attendant that it was something do do with the air conditioning. Not really sure if this answer was a correct one given to me. It happened mid way point, just a tad north of the antarctic land mass and the problem caused a very high piercing shrill noise for 5 solid hours, and not a word from the cockpit. I will no longer fly this isolated route for lack of confidence. I don't have as much confidence in the extended ETOPS ruling as those people who sat down and made this decision to extend it. Certainly not on this route. I advise all my friends not to take this route either. It's a damned long way to any airport on one engine, no matter how you look at it. That United 777 leaving Denver had a problem with an engine just after take off, and soon landed but it was more or less in the airport precinct still. A bit different I would think being thousands of miles from any available airport on only one engine in a very challenging environment.
I can understand where you are coming from. ETOPS, by nature, involves long distances in isolated/hostile areas of the world. ETOPS is not a guarantee that everything will be ok, for sure, but that statistically, an aircraft type has thousands of hours flying without an issue. This way, for example, they can say you have 1 chance in 100000 to have a problem with one engine, and 1 in 100000000 to have an issue with the second engine that same day. However if something goes wrong then hopefully you can reach an airport as quickly as possible. Flying on 1 engine is doable and works well but of course you can't take it for granted so that's why you have to divert.
@@CaptainNav is there a document or something where i can find the ETOPS rings for qualified ETOPS aircraft? And is the ring size constant (doesn't change)
Hey... if you do an online search you will find a lot of info on ETOPS. The 420 nm I am quoting is the distance I am familiar with in my airline. Different airlines may have different ETOPS distances...👍
Hi... the actual ETOPS diversion sectors can actually be greater (in terms of time) than what they are called as. This is because ETOPS is based on a distance to fly which, on a day, can be affected by wind component, etc.... So here, ETOPS 120 would represent a distance of 840nm, which could indeed take more than 2 hours to fly on the day if the wind component is not favourable, for example... I hope this makes sense.👍
I just finished all of your PMDG 777 tutorials and really enjoyed watching them. Keep them coming and thank you.
Cool thank you, I am glad you enjoyed them!👍
Thanks for the great WALK THROUGH! I am in ATC and flight dispatch on Private jet company. Always good to see the other side of the story
Thank you for stopping by👍
Ive just upgraded to A330. This video helped a lot. Thank you captain!
Nice! I am glad it did. Enjoy the A330👍
Excellent video describing ETOPS. ETOPS alternates in the planning phase need to meet alternate minimum requirements according to the airline Ops Specs. After block out we go to actual published mins.
Correct. Once moving, normal minima apply.👍
Thanks for the video. ETOPS is still something I have to take on
I hope the video will be helpful. If you any questions please ask.👍
Thanks for the vid, very informative. Enjoy the weekend!
You are welcome. I hope you had a good weekend too!
Thanks captain! A very good refresher.
You are welcome, I am glad you liked it👍
Cool videos! Regards from FRA
Very nice informative stream Boss...
Excellent, glad it is👍
Great Video well explained!
Cheers... I am glad you enjoyed it👍
Finally! Thank you!
You are welcome. First tutorial in a long time, I know...😉
I hope it is informative. Thank you for your support.
Thanks for the simple explanation @captainnav it was very clear. I can only strongly recommend to follow him on all channels and also tune in when he is streaming on twitch. You can ask what you want, and you will receive a detailed explanation! Greetings The VFR Pilot 😉
Thank you for the kind words👍
Captain! Been a long time watcher of your PMDG 777 tutorials since 2020. They're a great help!
I would like to ask however, what does the 420 mile ring represent? I know it's airline specific, but does it have to do something with a/c performance?
Thank you for the kind commsnt. To answer your question, ths 420nm circles//rings represent the limits of ETOPS. Outside the rings you are ETOPS, and vice versa.
Thr Boeing 777-300ER/200LR/F ETOPS was changed from 207 minutes to 330 minutes in 2011
As I said in the video with the (*can be a different number) there are different options depending on the airline, etc...👍
Hey, great tutorial ! Just a quick heads up it seems you used CYYT as the ETOPS exit airport and alternate at the same time. From what I've seen the alternates always are (have to be?) different then the entry / exit airports
Hi thanks for tuning in. You can definitely use the exit airport as an ETOPS alternate, it does not matter if the alternate is also the exit. If you go to an isolated airport, this will probably be the case.
Your departure/destination airports can also be ETOPS alternates.
@@CaptainNav Ok gotcha, thank your for the info !
Cool! So basically it’s just something you use so that, in case of an emergency, you don’t need to focus and use time on deciding which is the better option but you can immediately decide where to go. As for the suitable airports, does the dispatcher pick the airports also considering which are the best for the company (like if they are a base for the company) or is it purely a safety choice?
Yeah that's right, but you are not obliged to stick to the nominated airports if you decide otherwise.
To be honest, I would need to ask a dispatcher what the criteria are as the suitable airports, on the North Atlantic, for example, change all the time regardless of the weather.
For me as flightsimmer: if i wanted to plan a flight from Seattle to dubai, it would usually tell that it does not require etops.
Now I think that its not quite correct that over northern Canada and Greenland you would definitely go with etops cause there is barely anything suitable to fly to. Now what would happen irl in that case?
Would I just look for any suitable alternate out of that big database of airports?
Hi... I can definitely confirm that for a flight ftom Seattle to Dubai (on a 777 I guess) you need ETOPS for the part of the flight over Northern Canada, the North Pole and the north of Russia.
Once you are in the air, you would look for an airport decent enough to welcome your aircraft type and with good weather. There aren't a lot of these airports up there, so the choice is restricted and any diversion quite long.
Thanks for the tutorial!
Oftopic question,Captain you wait for Microsoft simulator 2020?
You are welcome! We shall see what FS20 is like, what the requirements are, etc... I am happy with P3D at the moment.
Very interesting. What I like to know, how can ETOPS work on the isolated route from Sydney or Auckland to Santiago de Chile, as on the route flown, there is only ocean and the antarctic, and no available airports that I know of where an airliner can land. Papeete in Tahiti looks too far north. Can someone please look into this, and let me know what alternative airports are possible on this long-haul sector. Currently, it is being serviced by the two engined 787. Before then, it was always serviced by a quad jet.
Hi thank you for your question. On the Sydney to Santiago route there are a couple of options like Easter Island and some Pacific islands. I believe the ETOPS rating for the 787 is quite high (not sure exactly what it is) so you don't need a lot of airports on the way for sure.
@@CaptainNav It is not so much the amount of available airports for redundancy, but the distance to the few available that I am concerned about. I have flown this route a number of times when the route was serviced by an A340 or 747. Even with the four engines, you are very aware of the isolated route you are flying. The route taken does track very far south, which is a long way from any of the Pacific islands such as Easter island or Papeete in French Polynesia. I was on a LATAM plane when something did go wrong and was told by the flight attendant that it was something do do with the air conditioning. Not really sure if this answer was a correct one given to me. It happened mid way point, just a tad north of the antarctic land mass and the problem caused a very high piercing shrill noise for 5 solid hours, and not a word from the cockpit. I will no longer fly this isolated route for lack of confidence. I don't have as much confidence in the extended ETOPS ruling as those people who sat down and made this decision to extend it. Certainly not on this route. I advise all my friends not to take this route either. It's a damned long way to any airport on one engine, no matter how you look at it. That United 777 leaving Denver had a problem with an engine just after take off, and soon landed but it was more or less in the airport precinct still. A bit different I would think being thousands of miles from any available airport on only one engine in a very challenging environment.
I can understand where you are coming from.
ETOPS, by nature, involves long distances in isolated/hostile areas of the world. ETOPS is not a guarantee that everything will be ok, for sure, but that statistically, an aircraft type has thousands of hours flying without an issue. This way, for example, they can say you have 1 chance in 100000 to have a problem with one engine, and 1 in 100000000 to have an issue with the second engine that same day. However if something goes wrong then hopefully you can reach an airport as quickly as possible.
Flying on 1 engine is doable and works well but of course you can't take it for granted so that's why you have to divert.
@@CaptainNav Thank you. It's a very interesting topic of discussion I think.
nice video
Thank you👍
15:41 how do you do the thing at elsir
Hey...What do you mean?
@@CaptainNav like it returns From selected speed to ecom
Ok. Yeah, on the FMC Cruise page you go from ECON speed to a Mach number for the crossing, and then back to ECON once on the other side.
@@CaptainNav I saw you auto arm it though
@@CaptainNav ok nvm I watched the cross the ponds with you and I saw you how to do that, thanks
How do you get the( N123W123) I don’t understand how to add coordinates into the CDU
North 123 does not exist. Maximum is 90. So for example, you can enter N45W123
What's "Zoomite"? It's on minute 10:25-10:27 ."Zoomite Keflavik.
"Zoom out", no zoomite😅
6:05 when you land you’re going to have a nice long chat with whoever signed off on the airworthiness of your plane 😆
Indeed! As I said it would really be a bad day....
It's a about CRS I think
how do you get the ETOPS ring size for the fix?
Hi... you just enter the fix, and then, below, /420 for the size of the ring. 420 is the distance used for a B777.
@@CaptainNav is there a document or something where i can find the ETOPS rings for qualified ETOPS aircraft? And is the ring size constant (doesn't change)
Hey... if you do an online search you will find a lot of info on ETOPS. The 420 nm I am quoting is the distance I am familiar with in my airline. Different airlines may have different ETOPS distances...👍
thank you so much 🙏@@CaptainNav
Why is the ETP 1 time for one engine out/decomp and All engines/decomp 125min? I thought these are 120min ETOPS.
Hi... the actual ETOPS diversion sectors can actually be greater (in terms of time) than what they are called as. This is because ETOPS is based on a distance to fly which, on a day, can be affected by wind component, etc....
So here, ETOPS 120 would represent a distance of 840nm, which could indeed take more than 2 hours to fly on the day if the wind component is not favourable, for example...
I hope this makes sense.👍
@@CaptainNav Thank you!
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