A Bach Stradivarius LT18043* and a Benge 3x both from the mid to late '70's are compared here. Played first with a GR64MX and then with a GR64MS. Enjoy! :)
Brian, surely you’re not biased!! :) The Benges do feel more nimble. I’ve got two Benges; a 4x that’s rough - but a great tone, and a 3x in pretty fair shape. I’ve been playing Strads more the last year or so, but I relish getting my Benges out. I may do another Benge Vs Bach video soon; 2 Benges Vs 2,Bach’s. :)
I played a '57 Mt Vernon Bach Strad MLB (.459) Rose bell light from '67 till Jerry Callet introed his .470 Soloist at TMEA in San Antonio. I, Bobby Odnell, Phil Phyilliaer assisted Jerry intro of his Soloist. Jerry sent mine 2 weeks later, he as he learned from Calliccio adjusted lead pipe for blow and hand tempered the bell. It is a profoundly free blowing, responsive as I've ever picked up. Never looked back or searched since.....
@JonathanMilam1 he was a really Kool person. I bought one from brasswind a .474 could not get valves broke in. Call him direct, ask where he was. He as why, so I told him I had bought a SLB, Valves wouldn't break in. Where was he cause I was going to throw it back at from DFW area. He thought that was funny, we walked through various break in methods, none that worked soon he invited me to up coming TMRS...He show cased Soloist and I received mine 2weeks latet
Really enjoyed the comparison! Thank you! I still have my 1971 Benge 3X trumpet that I bought new with money that I saved up from my after school part time job! Boy does time fly by!!!
Yes, Bobby, it does fly! :) A good Benge is as good as it gets, I think. I had mine out yesterday for a friend and I to play around on and I was thinking, 'Why do I have any other horns??' Well, the answer is the more the merrier. :) But a good Benge is a fantastic horn. Thanks for commenting!
Oh, the Benge sounds more responsive and alive. They can be intimate and warm or peel paint, depending on the MPC used. If you ever find a 5x now...KILLER horn.
I've played Benges since high school, currently have a Claude Gordon and a 3X+. My high school section mate and best friend played a Strad, though I don't know which variation. The Bach always felt stuffy to me compared to both my Benge and the Holton ST302 I had at the time, although the Strad had a wonderful warm core to the tone. I do much better on a free-blowing horn, though I understand how one could get used to having some resistance to push against.
Bach's can certainly feel stuffy, no doubt about it. I had one superb Benge 3, not the MLP, just the straight 3. I still have a 4X. Very nice sound. :) Thanks for commenting.
My Bach Strad 43 has that same spread tone with less focus than my 37 although it is nice to play in that the notes aren’t quite so slotted and freely flow. It was tough to choose between them so I kept one of each ( both early/mid 70’s specimens 💜) I have owned in Benge 3X that had a “BEAUTIFUL” tone but played dreadfully out of tune. Yours sounds very nice. As always, nice video Jonathan!
Robert, thanks for commenting. I haven't had a 37 in SO long!! I've tried recently, but just haven't been able to land one. The 43 is a really nice bell; but then again, I really like a 72* as well. I honestly can't recall a 37 well; it's been at least 5 or 6 years since I played one. :)
My first Bach Strad was a model 37 in silver. I remember my high school band director driving my dad and I to pick it up. Paid all of $390 “back in the day”. That horn put the sound out that became part of me. I just love the rich, focused, and powerful sound of the 37 bell. Also gives quite a variation in character per mouthpiece selection. Cheers!🎺
Interesting comparison. While both produced a fine sound, I lean towards the Benge for commercial and jazz playing. It has a little more core to the sound and pop when you want it. But I may be a bit biased towards the Benge since my go-to horn remains my Benge CG that I bought new in 1978. I like the 37 Strad for classical work, but for the rest I grab my Benge.
This Benge is in really good condtion for a horn from around '75. Good compression, great slides... And it's been played - previous owners just treated it right. Thanks for commenting, Andrew.
I used to play My Burbank e-benge trumpet and was a total pleasure how to get all of the notes with accurate tunning both i'm the Upper and middle register...bright coloring sound and heavy response....no pressure in embochure ....after that i Buy a 43 stradivarius and the sound was pretty better to My taste but sacrifice a little bit i'm the Upper register and more effort to get higher notes....more weight less Upper R....i Buy a 72 stradivarius after that 43 and is the right combination of BOTH!!!!!🎺🎺....MY HUMBLE EXPERIENCE AND OPINION....GREETINGS FROM.SONORA MÉXICO...EFRAIN MEZA.EL MARIACHI
Efrain; thank you for commenting! Two of my favorite horns were a 43* and a 72* Strad; they really can be superb horns. And the Benge's.... So good also. :) Again - thanks very much for commenting. Best wishes to you and Sonora!
Jonathan, You sound more comfortable playing the Benge. The Bach is brighter and has more resistance. The Benge would be my choice. The best Benge I ever owned was 1974 ish 3x plus...The MLP....fantastic horn which I eventually sold to the late great Michael McGovern( Buddy Rich's lead trumpet player). Mike called me and was ecstatic about that horn. And then, he sold it a year later...go figure.
Mark, that is very nice to hear! I occasionally go through TH and read McGovnor's posts; he had phenomenal knowledge about horns and mouthpieces. Must have been a down moment when he sold it. I've got a friend with a really nice 3X+; he's almost sold it to me a couple times. He had Dr Valve rebuild the valves and says its a really great player, but he generally uses newer horns; a new Getzen, new Scodwell and new Adams A5. Eventually, I think I'll get his 3X+. We'll hope, anyway. Thanks for commenting; very good info about Michael McGovern.
Jon - i have to agree with some other comments - you just sound better - and look more comfortable with that Benge. Great horn..........hmmmm maybe I should have kept it - lol.
I haven't yet listened to this one with my good headphones. Both of these horns, however, are certainly high on my list of faves right now. The Benge just FEELS like such a good fit! :) I'm thrilled to have it, thank you very much, Heather. :)
Jonathan, sounds great. The Benge seems to be cleaner and more responsive.
I hope that since I"m a Benge own since 1980, I'm not biased:)
Brian, surely you’re not biased!! :) The Benges do feel more nimble. I’ve got two Benges; a 4x that’s rough - but a great tone, and a 3x in pretty fair shape. I’ve been playing Strads more the last year or so, but I relish getting my Benges out. I may do another Benge Vs Bach video soon; 2 Benges Vs 2,Bach’s. :)
I played a '57 Mt Vernon Bach Strad MLB (.459) Rose bell light from '67 till Jerry Callet introed his .470 Soloist at TMEA in San Antonio.
I, Bobby Odnell, Phil Phyilliaer assisted Jerry intro of his Soloist.
Jerry sent mine 2 weeks later, he as he learned from Calliccio adjusted lead pipe for blow and hand tempered the bell.
It is a profoundly free blowing, responsive as I've ever picked up. Never looked back or searched since.....
very cool! I’ve had 2 Callet Jazz: they’re as good as horns get, in my opinion. Callet put out some truly great trumpets.
@JonathanMilam1 he was a really Kool person. I bought one from brasswind a .474 could not get valves broke in. Call him direct, ask where he was. He as why, so I told him I had bought a SLB, Valves wouldn't break in. Where was he cause I was going to throw it back at from DFW area.
He thought that was funny, we walked through various break in methods, none that worked soon he invited me to up coming TMRS...He show cased Soloist and I received mine 2weeks latet
Really enjoyed the comparison! Thank you! I still have my 1971 Benge 3X trumpet that I bought new with money that I saved up from my after school part time job! Boy does time fly by!!!
Yes, Bobby, it does fly! :) A good Benge is as good as it gets, I think. I had mine out yesterday for a friend and I to play around on and I was thinking, 'Why do I have any other horns??' Well, the answer is the more the merrier. :) But a good Benge is a fantastic horn. Thanks for commenting!
Oh, the Benge sounds more responsive and alive. They can be intimate and warm or peel paint, depending on the MPC used. If you ever find a 5x now...KILLER horn.
Chase, thank you for commenting. I must agree; a good Benge is a wonderful horn to play. :)
I have # 6942 and it's a wonderful 5x.
The Benge is warmer, darker and more focused. Both beautiful horns but while my 37B is gone, I still have my 3x+. Mid 70s is a golden era for Benge.
I traded a very nice 3X, and sold a very nice 3X+, but I still have a 4X. :) A good Benge is a very nice horn to have. Thanks for commenting!
I've played Benges since high school, currently have a Claude Gordon and a 3X+. My high school section mate and best friend played a Strad, though I don't know which variation. The Bach always felt stuffy to me compared to both my Benge and the Holton ST302 I had at the time, although the Strad had a wonderful warm core to the tone. I do much better on a free-blowing horn, though I understand how one could get used to having some resistance to push against.
Bach's can certainly feel stuffy, no doubt about it. I had one superb Benge 3, not the MLP, just the straight 3. I still have a 4X. Very nice sound. :) Thanks for commenting.
My Bach Strad 43 has that same spread tone with less focus than my 37 although it is nice to play in that the notes aren’t quite so slotted and freely flow. It was tough to choose between them so I kept one of each ( both early/mid 70’s specimens 💜) I have owned in Benge 3X that had a “BEAUTIFUL” tone but played dreadfully out of tune. Yours sounds very nice. As always, nice video Jonathan!
Robert, thanks for commenting. I haven't had a 37 in SO long!! I've tried recently, but just haven't been able to land one. The 43 is a really nice bell; but then again, I really like a 72* as well. I honestly can't recall a 37 well; it's been at least 5 or 6 years since I played one. :)
My first Bach Strad was a model 37 in silver. I remember my high school band director driving my dad and I to pick it up. Paid all of $390 “back in the day”. That horn put the sound out that became part of me. I just love the rich, focused, and powerful sound of the 37 bell. Also gives quite a variation in character per mouthpiece selection. Cheers!🎺
Awesome!
Thank you! Cheers! :)
Interesting comparison. While both produced a fine sound, I lean towards the Benge for commercial and jazz playing. It has a little more core to the sound and pop when you want it. But I may be a bit biased towards the Benge since my go-to horn remains my Benge CG that I bought new in 1978. I like the 37 Strad for classical work, but for the rest I grab my Benge.
Thanks for commenting. If you've got a good Benge and a good Bach - you're living large. :) Take care - and happy holidays. :)
The Benge is much more in tune and has a wonderful tone!!
This Benge is in really good condtion for a horn from around '75. Good compression, great slides... And it's been played - previous owners just treated it right. Thanks for commenting, Andrew.
I used to play My Burbank e-benge trumpet and was a total pleasure how to get all of the notes with accurate tunning both i'm the Upper and middle register...bright coloring sound and heavy response....no pressure in embochure ....after that i Buy a 43 stradivarius and the sound was pretty better to My taste but sacrifice a little bit i'm the Upper register and more effort to get higher notes....more weight less Upper R....i Buy a 72 stradivarius after that 43 and is the right combination of BOTH!!!!!🎺🎺....MY HUMBLE EXPERIENCE AND OPINION....GREETINGS FROM.SONORA MÉXICO...EFRAIN MEZA.EL MARIACHI
Efrain; thank you for commenting! Two of my favorite horns were a 43* and a 72* Strad; they really can be superb horns. And the Benge's.... So good also. :) Again - thanks very much for commenting. Best wishes to you and Sonora!
In the sound of Bach there is meat and , the core.Sound is beautiful.
THAT is so interesting. I agree; but some seem not to notice this aspect. Thanks for commenting! :)
Benge!
Tom, it's hard to beat a good Benge, isn't it? :)
Benge always!
I love this old Strad - but the Benge is a great player, too. I'm very fortunate to have two such nice playing horns. Thanks for commenting. :)
Jonathan, You sound more comfortable
playing the Benge. The Bach is brighter and has more resistance. The Benge would be my choice. The best Benge I ever owned was 1974 ish 3x plus...The MLP....fantastic horn which I eventually sold to the late great Michael McGovern( Buddy Rich's lead trumpet player). Mike called me and was ecstatic about that horn. And then, he sold it a year later...go figure.
Mark, that is very nice to hear! I occasionally go through TH and read McGovnor's posts; he had phenomenal knowledge about horns and mouthpieces. Must have been a down moment when he sold it. I've got a friend with a really nice 3X+; he's almost sold it to me a couple times. He had Dr Valve rebuild the valves and says its a really great player, but he generally uses newer horns; a new Getzen, new Scodwell and new Adams A5. Eventually, I think I'll get his 3X+. We'll hope, anyway. Thanks for commenting; very good info about Michael McGovern.
Jon - i have to agree with some other comments - you just sound better - and look more comfortable with that Benge. Great horn..........hmmmm maybe I should have kept it - lol.
To my ear the Benge sounds more clear - not sure if that's what centered means - but purity of sound is there.
I haven't yet listened to this one with my good headphones. Both of these horns, however, are certainly high on my list of faves right now. The Benge just FEELS like such a good fit! :) I'm thrilled to have it, thank you very much, Heather. :)
The Benge is decidedly more centered.
That was a fantastic Benge. Thanks for commenting!
Benge. All day every day.
Good answer. :) A good Benge is a wonderful thing. :)
The Bach has a better resale value
Very good point!
Benge is better
I had, and sold, a very good Benge 3x. Selling was a big mistake, I suppose. But I still have a good sounding Benge 4x.
@@JonathanMilam1 I love my Burbank Benge 4x. Love my 5x even more and I'm getting where I can handle it, in my old age.