Line 6 DT25 112 Tube combo.
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- I like amps. More than no amps. There I said it.
And this is my favorite combo right now!
With the DT 25 I think Line 6 really got the combination of digital modeling and tube amplification right. It’s mega versatile features really great amp medals but still has a very tube like feel under the fingers and has loads of poke and power in the room.
I like it so much I bought 3 of them!
The DT25 is a 2 channel 112 digital / tube combo that in short combines a digital preamp with a tube power amp. The power amp reconfigures itself to match the operation of the power amp chosen.
Ultimately this allows you two bring two tube amps to a gig and switch between them. There are no menus, apps or USB connectivity. It simply works like a regular tube amp.
Bravo Line 6. Bravo.
Because it’s an older product and it’s not en vogue you can pick one up used for a very reasonable price and they were reasonably priced to start with!
With the digital verb and the FX loop and amazing sounding XLR output it’s just a superb gigging amp.
Modding this amp has been one of my summer projects because I wanted it to be a lifetime partner, so I made mine even better! --- ... I noticed this is a microelectronics device with all the sensitive components cooking right above where the tubes are. I do not now if that is intended but will surely limit the lifespan of this lil' wonder... so I installed a generous and silent fan (NF-A14 FLX) together with a speed controller and screwed a little temperature probe right between the two EL-84s. The fan only kicks in when the chassis is at 40ºC and keeps it below 50ºC, barely warm to the touch so I reckon the electronics are going to be very happy for that. The second MOD was to install a thermistor (CL-80), at the power switch to limits the inrush current you make your amp and tubes undergo every time you switch it on (went from 10-15 amps to roughly 3-4). It is like a soft start. I bet this will make the tubes (which are very expensive nowadays) last forever, since lightbulbs (and tubes) fail 99% of the time when you switch them on. The third MOD was to get myself a decent potentiometer and a measuring terminal and hook them somewhere accessible so I don't have to disassemble the goddamn thing every time I change the tubes for a bias adjustment. Finally, I added a 9V power supply and hid it in the cabinet, so that I can connect my pedals straight into the amp, which minimizes the cabling clutter. To power everything I just need one outlet now.
Hey Gerardo. Thx for the comment. To be honest that all sort of went over my head!!! Except the last part. So you power your pedals from the amp? But are you not standing way in front of your amp onstage? So do you run a long power cable from your amp to your pedals?
Wow. Amazing mods.
@@TheGuitarEffectthat mod is more suited for home practice than on-stage I reckon, where you sit next to the amp and you don't want cables running all over
Great little amplifiers, I have the head/cab version and it stands up very well against my expensive boutique hand wired stuff, etc. Plus, solid build quality, and as you have demonstrated very versatile for band scenarios. Nice overview.
Hey Guitar Bomb. Thx for the comment. Yeah they’re just brilliant amps. Really versatile and well designed
Had mine since 2015 with the 500x board. No matter how times I think of dumping it, I always come back to it, it's like a second wife as after all this time I'm still learning about how it works with the hd500. I've recently brought a second one as I'm gonna explore dual amps. Great video btw sir, and glad my to see I'm not the only one digging these amps.
Hey Alfie. Thx for the comment. I play my two every week at rehearsal with a pedalboard in front and they continually surprise me even with all the pedals bypassed. The twin on one side and AC30 on the other just sounds amazing.
They really are hidden gems!
@@TheGuitarEffect nice!!
I found this amp a few years back used for 500 bucks and just had to throw some matched, medium, eletroharmonix tubes in it. The popping, etc. was bad after about 10 minutes of playing, so I just stop playing it and (was a bit lazy and just payed for matching vs doing it myself, lol) and fine tuned the bias.. things just keeps on kicking ass, absolutely LOVE this amp!!
I LOVE this amp so much..!
Whenever you have to replace the tubes, definitely go with (matched medium) electroharmonix tubes.. save yourself from wrecking the transformer, etc. :)
Usually you will start noticing an issue on the Class A/B (humming, pops, etc.) just STOP, order tubes and keep enjoying your amp for years :)
Hey. Thx for the comment mate. It’s such an amazing piece of kit. I did the software update a while back and the fender bassman and J45 models are just insane pedal platforms. Also I now have a channel with no preamp where I can plug in a modeler and it’s AMAZING at that sort of non coloured amp thing too.
Unreal. What an amp.
I’ll keep those power amp tuned in mind. Thx
One minor note: I believe these came out around 2011.
Great video. Very informative and just enough playing, talking and tweaking. Keep it up. Subbed.
I’m on the fence with trading mine in for a Headrush gig board and frfr108. I love the DT25 and wish Line 6 would have capitalized more on that collaboration.
Hey StatikXero. Thx for pointing that out I should’ve known that before I made the video.
I tried a helix a while back and the whole all in one thing just isn’t for me. Different folks… the sounds were great though.
Thanks for the sub. Much appreciated
I’ve been using the DT combo for gigging for a year now. Extremely versatile, sounds great, and so simple to use. Just picked up a used POD500 and will be exploring the new options that makes possible.
Hey Scott. Thx for the comment. Yeah it’s literally the perfect gigging amp!! I got a HD500 a few years back to do the same thing. Ultimately I didn’t find it was a massive help. I use the amp on a clean fender setting with the MS3 pedalboard in this video for function / wedding gigs.
ua-cam.com/video/TXzc3NwIfv4/v-deo.html
I love my DT25!!!
Hey Cesar. Thx for the comment. Yeah they really are a hidden Jen!
Just bought one of these on the power of this video. Watching again now to copy your tones. 👍
Hi Clive. Thx for the comment. You won’t be disappointed they are just fantastic amplifiers. Really glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful.
Yep great amps and are even better if you change the valves. I did with my previous Spider valve combo sourced NOS Tung Sol 6881 power tubes and a pair NOS Mullard ECC83. I done the, same with my DT25 combo sourced pair of Mullard EL84 NOS valves and NOS ECC83 pre valves. Both amps went from really nice to incredible.
Hey Eddie. Thx for commenting. This is interesting. Can you tell me how exactly they improved the tone?
@@TheGuitarEffect Yes as I say I source out original new valves. I no longer have the, Spider Valve but I still have my DT25 combo.
I replaced the existing power tubes with NOS (New Old Stock) Mullard EL84 valves circa 1965 so these are new valves made in 1965 which are unused. Same with the pre amp valves I replaced them with 2 x NOS Mullard ECC83 valves circa 1963.
These old stock valves are expensive and difficult to find but IMHO they well worth the cost asthey transform the amp.
Basically when my DT25 is in AC30 mode it now sounds just like my old VoxAc30 same goes with the other modes for Fender and Marshall modes sound is identical. Hope this helps.
Do you know how to switch an effect pedal after the amp? Because i wanna use a chorus on the high gain mode and it just doesnt sound right when it is switched before the amp because the chorus gets distorted too…
Incredible versatility with such a small footprint. Great amp and demo!
Cheers Pat! Hope you are enjoying the ultimate drive!!
What a great amp you have!
Cheers Don! Actually I have 3 of them 😬
@@TheGuitarEffect Excellent choice of guitar amps
I have the DT50 112. And I hate it. But this video has inspired me to play with it a bit more.
Hey. Thx for the comment. Sorry to hear you hate it. I love it. Deffo give it another chance. Really glad you enjoyed the video.
Better with pod hd500x or helix. Now, I have two of them (dt50). So proud! ;)
Even though “no one needs more than 4 amps”,the other 8 HD amp models are embedded in the firmware and are accessible using Midi or the DT edit software.
Hey Jonathan. Ha thx for picking me up
In my comment. I do stand by it though. Yeah I did the update on one of my amps and got the other models. They’re great too. Especially the divided by 13 one
It's bloody heavy to log around, but yes, I love it (Classic American, British Crunch, Class A Chime & Modern High Gain, cools as) (how many more years til I get any where near as competant as you) Holy Shit
Thx for the comment man. It’s an amazing amp. Such a sleeper. I’m really not that competent mate. There are waaaaaaay better guitarists out there than me. But thx for the compliment all the same!!!
Great informative video thanks a lot
Hey Luc. Thx for the comment. Appreciated. I recently did the software update that allows you to add the full range of HD amp models and it changes the amp completely I’m gonna make another video about the DT25 about this soon
Been thinking of buying a used Dt25 head but I've read about some reliability issues with them. Have you had any problems with yours?
Hey. I’ve 3 of them and I’ve only ever had to replace one preamp tube. They get played about 7 hours a week I’d say.
Wow that's great then! Thanks for getting back to me.
No problem
Very good video and playing. Loved the Skunk Anansie clip. Do you ever use the low power option if so does it do bedroom volumes and can you still make use of all the options adjusting the circuitry etc. From my understanding the low power mode negates the power tube.
Hey. Thx for the comment. So I use the amp on low volume mode nearly all the time. It’s extremely loud at higher volume settings and very manageable and great sounding at lower settings. It actually substantially changed the sound and gain characteristics bringing the power tubes in. It’s a great sound too though. Much more unruly and raucous
Love and hate product, perfect set of features, great sound... sooner than later will turn into a heavy brick once it stops working and nobody will be able to fix it.
Her Gerardo. Thx for the comment. You’re not wrong. Line 6’s support for their current products is a bit sketchy let alone their legacy products. But it’s a such a great amp and they are relatively easy to find and super cheap second hand so I think it’s an acceptable trade off.
@@TheGuitarEffect Super cheap? how much is super cheap? I found one for US500,
Nah, a good amp guy can fix it...
Excellent demo thank you. There's one available locally I'm planning on grabbing. So you recorded all of this direct out with an XLR cable into your interface? Pedals work well in front with this scenario? Pretty impressive sound quality if so 👌
Hey Mark. Thx for the comment and the kind words. Appreciated. Yep all the tones in this video are recorded using the XLR out. Including the tones with pedals in front.
I really can’t recommend it highly enough. It’s the best 112 combo I’ve played to be honest.
@@TheGuitarEffect thanks for the reply. Really cool. Not even needing an IR is also pretty cool being able to get these kinds of tones direct. That coupled with the extremely versatile speaker outputs enabling the use of any cabinet make this a really compelling choice. Even in 2022.
One of the things that has really been cemented in my mind since I started this channel is the newest gear is not necessarily the best. It has the best feature sets for sure but not always the best choice tonally in some situations.
@@TheGuitarEffect wholeheartedly agree. I just got an old near mint condition Marshall Valvestate S80 locally last week for next to nothing and the clean sounds really nice. New subscriber thanks 🤟
Yeah they are great Old amps. I once gigged at a small venue in London and they had 2 as they’re backline sounded absolutely fantastic! Thx for the subscription.
Despite what many review claims, I actually like Bogner Alchemist that I've just tried.
Without the HD500X connectivity, does the the DT25 amp alone sounded better than the Alchemist?
Hey. I’ve never played it he alchemist so I couldn’t offer an opinion on it I’m afraid.
I had both, love them both especially the delays in the Alchemist but my god that amp was heavy so moved it on as I just didn’t use it enough, awesome amp tho.
@@mickymalibu I think I'm going for the DT25 since there's not much opportunity to gig these days and better for what I've already have.
Anyone here used this with a Helix? I know with the line 6 link you don’t need the 4 cable method. I love my Helix.
Hey Carlo. I’ve never tried it with the helix. There’s a video demo of the two together here. ua-cam.com/video/uv2ayiBJTIw/v-deo.html
Is the cabinet made of birch plywood or mdf? Thanks!.
Hey Daniel. Thx for the comment. Unfortunately I’ve no idea what it’s made of!
The models except for the Mesa sound are really bad. This is the worst fender emulation I have heard. This amp, however, is built extremely well and has great features. Any cheap preamp pedal into the fx return sounds much better. The hd500x going into the digital input sounds amazing. Updating the firmware might be the ticket, but I was unsuccessful in doing so.....as well as the guy I hired to do so. I have had bad luck many times with the reliability of Line 6 products, particularly the power connections. Once I gave up trying to update this amp, it has proven to be pretty awesome.
Hey. Thx for the comment. I have to say I actually disagree on both counts. I really like the amp models. All four of them. One thing to consider is. If I’m not running it loud it really does massively benefit tonally fro running it on low power mode. I don’t know if you’ve tried that.
And then second to that the first thing I did when I got this was went out and bought a HD500 so I could use it with the one cat 5 cable. While I found it did indeed sound great (though no better than the onboard models) it became very fiddly to get the levels between patches sorted when playing at volume. So I reverted to a pedalboard in the front.
I’ve had three of these for years now and several times I’ve considered replacing one or all of them. Just for a change. I simply can’t find anything that does what these do.
They’re FANTASTIC
Does anyone know if there’s a channel switching pedal for these amps?
Hey cliff. Any latching two button footswitch will switch the channel and turn on and off the reverb.
Sounds killer! I have one as well and mine doesn’t take boost or gain pedals..at all. They sound fizzy and lifeless. And I use Cornerstone Gladio, Wampler Dual Fusion, ...nothing sounds decent. Altough the amp on itself sounds fine. I recently had it serviced, new amps and biasing, but no improvement. Any idea? Cheers! Pat
Hey pat. Thx for the comment! The immediate thing I’d suggest is turn it up on the low power mode unless you are gigging at high level. This amp really likes the master and channel volumes being up. Also even on the cleaner models never have the channel volumes before 12 o clock.
Have you tried that?
aha, I will give that a try. I used the amp yesterday for an outdoor gig, and on the full power setting it really sounded (like I said) fizzy and dull with pedals. It sounded fine when I didn't engage the pedals. But I will try tonight on the low power mode, cheers!
Cool man hope it makes a difference for you.
@@TheGuitarEffect Hey, I wanted to try the Low Power setting...but I then noticed my tech (who just swapped the tubes) had already set the amp on Low Power. So I switched it back to Full Power and...the sound is back. Amazing what a difference it makes. So mine sounds awful, with drive pedals in front, in the Low Power mode, but sounds good in the Full Power mode. I'm surprised your does the opposite...maybe depends on tubes and pedals?
That’s just a result of using pedals. Dirt pedals suck and can never compare to amp Distortion. They are either, shrill, thin, honky, fizzy, or muddy. Gain pedals just SUCK. TS9 is only one you might ever want to use and only for playing lead.
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You are not playing Purple Rain correctly
Hey Estacia. Thx for the comment. I don’t really mind if I don’t play cover songs correctly. I was just demonstrating a sound.