Prince wrote Manic Monday!! Engineer Susan Rogers on Sunset Sound Roundtable
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2022
- Legendary Prince Recording Engineer Susan Rogers returns to studio 3 at Sunset Sound to tell her story. On this clip she is asked the backstory of "Manic Monday".
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Fascinating. I could listen to Susan talk for DAYS about everything to do with Prince and his creative process.
I love knowing the inspiration behind the music. It adds another story to the story that the song creates in my head. Anyone fascinated by the sources of creative expression will always be fascination by where it comes from.
SO glad that Susan's still around to set the record straight. Apollonia's tall tales about deserving writing credit on Prince's songs (only his hits, by the way) is disrespectful to the musical community, the craft itself, and to his legacy.
And the lie she told about prince was going to the bank to pay her
😂😂LMAO😂😂
I have been a Prince fan for many years, I never bought into that Apollonia helped Prince write any of his songs. I am glad Prince's sound engineer back in the eighties Susan Rogers is telling us the truth.
When people claim to have written songs, my thought is always for them to show us their own verifiably independently written material. We have plenty of verifiably independently written , performed, and arranged music from Prince, and we can see the consistency in his material. I'm skeptical of anyone who claims now to have written any of his songs without their own material for us to compare and contrast it to. I think that some of these people are embellishing. They may have made a joke or an offhand comment that inspired or that he used as a line in a song or something like that, but that doesn't mean that they wrote the song or cowrote the song.
@@boondoggle4820 Exactly it is ridiculous that Apollonia should even claim to have helped Prince write any of his music. She said, she won a poetry contest when she was younger and could write Haiku. That is why Prince would have her help write lyrics to his songs. First of all Haiku is old Japanese poetry with just three lines. You cannot just write song lyrics because, you know Haiku or won a poetry contest when you were younger. Prince was writing music and song lyrics before he met Apollonia. Prince was doing all of this as a young teenager before he even had recording contract with Warner Brothers records. Apollonia forgets she replaced Vanity in Purple Rain and was hired help. To top it all off she claimed she wrote the music to "The Glamorous Life" and brought the song to Prince. First of all Sheila Escovedo comes from the Escovedo family. Her dad is latin jazz percussionist legend Pete Escovedo. If anyone knows latin jazz and how to write music in that style, it is Sheila not Apollonia. Apollonia is not even a real singer, she can't even sing. Prince used Jill Jones, Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman's voices with her non singing voice to make the Apollonia 6 album listenable. Now Apollonia is a songwriter? OMG I can't even believe you even had Prince fans even believing this nonsense. Apollonia is just blatantly lying so she can sell her book about her time with Prince which wasn't that all that long to begin with. Apollonia is just a b rated actress and model, she is no songwriter.
@@venanciahopkins5035 she came up w the idea, its way more common than u think. prince stole plenty of things.
@@scottyjordan3036 I just saw an interview with Dr. Fink on this channel, former member of The Revolution. He was asked did Prince write Maniac Monday and he flat out said yes. You can argue all you want but Apollonia had nothing to do with Maniac Monday. Prince originally wrote Maniac Monday for Vanity 6 back in the early eighties before Apollonia even came around. Apollonia is trying to take credit for something she didn't do. Also Matthew Fink was in Prince's band for many years and Susan Rogers was Prince's sound engineer for many years. You want to argue with them who were there? Be my guest.
Geesh. You don't question Susan. She was there.
I just lalalalalalalove listening to Ms. Roger's mind. She's just incredible.
Thank you Susan for keeping it real.
Wow the insights of Susan!!
I think Susan was his longest serving engineer. No one could keep up with him. I mean you heard her say just then “a rare night off”. The man was extraordinary x a billion. How could one person write so much material for himself and for 3 or 4 other acts? Not only that, he created Morris Day and The Time so he could have a cross town rivalry🙈☺️, that’s just plain out insane. Possibly the most gifted musician to ever walk this earth.❤
Susan wasn’t having it 😎. Love this.
nor should she, people who havn't been in P's space for 30+ years claiming they WROTE or co Wrote his songs is just disrespectful
u werent there, and she doesnt even remember where she recorded it
appollonia didnt say she wrote every lyric to the song
@@grahamjarman Manic Monday was written well before Apollonia was ever in Prince's camp. The song was written for Vanity 6. Apollonia came on the scene only as a replacement for the filming of Purple Rain after Vanity left. How could she have written a song that was already recorded? The demo was done years prior and the lyrics never changed from when the demo was recorded to when The Bangles re-recorded it.
@@jazzbquick389 that conflicts w what thislady said, wheres demo
@@reeserobinson6889 And Susan was the engineer. She’d KNOW.
Not once did I think Apples wrote MM. Not once. Thank God Susan set things straight
I mentioned a few stories that Apollonia has told to someone who knew Prince and they just shook their head. Lol
LOL😂 they all are taking credit for songs now that Prince is gone. Morris day, AC. I’m shocked apollonia didn’t say that she walked into the room and kissed prince and BAAAM!! She wrote “kiss” LOL
"I wasn't in the room."
"I was."
So true that inspiration comes from everywhere. And nowhere. And somewhere in-between. All at the same time.
Susan is blessed.
I just know Brenda Bennetts vocals are on all versions of manic Monday lol 😂
The melody of the verses of "Manic Monday" are the same as "1999"!
Genius. The same, but so different.
Also similar to "Monday, Monday" by the Mamas & the Papas.
@@pf6112 Yeah, Dez Dickerson talks about how he turned P on to the Mommas & Pappas during the early days.
@@pf6112 You are correct!!
I hear it now🤯
Great story
Love Susan! Just didn't buy Apollonia's story. Manic Monday is similar to many of his other joyful pop songs especially i think Raspberry Beret. It's a Prince song.
It’s got that very ATWIAD vibe, and as we know that album was already done when PP was coming out
Duane: I don't when it comes to Manic Monday. I wasn't in the room--
Susan: I was.
Timing....I literally was listening to Manic Monday a few days ago and was thinking, I wonder who and what inspired him to write it..
Damn near everything back then was inspired by Vanity: Little Red Corvette, Raspberry Beret, Pop Life, Delirious, Sugar Walls, Take Me With U, Purple Rain, the Beautiful Ones, the Glamorous Life, and who knows what else.
Apollonia claims to have written Manic Monday. Also, Glamorous Life.
@@rgtowns Duane just said "Manic Monday was written 1-94 , vanity was gone 3 months before that. But Little red Corvette was about the fast vanity.
The greatest true story i ever heard about prince that very few knew is that he wanted to be a top hip hop soul funk artist like most of his idols growing up but then after seeing Morris day steal his shows event after event he thought how can i be the best hip hop/soul artist in the world when hes not even the best in Minneapolis, so he moved over to rock/pop and 1999 and Little red corvette were born.
Nonsense
Morris day was never as popular PRince
Did that happen before or after you were dropped on your head?
@@onesong2001 shut up ,,,,,,,, and stop following me. this is the thrid different post what are you, crazy. go away.
So you saying Frankenstein was better than Dr Frankenstein then man that created him.
I believe that Nothing compares to you was about Vanity. Just my opinion.
Nice opinion but it was written about Prince’s personal assistant and that’s a fact.
@@darkknightsds Correct, Sandra, besides vanity wasn't a virgin like the song says. I'd like to see a picture of Sandra in 83-84. But I probably can guess what she looked like, the other 12 women that looked alike. And Susannah already said 2 times the song was about prince's girlfriend/assistant. That song probably pours out the most love in prince's vocals. And he didn't release it! Maybe it was too painful to let everyone know how much he loved her, because susannah was also standing there. Do you know if "Don't talk to strangers " was also about Sandra? Prince wrote that around the time Sandra left.
Peggy clearly worked on the Vanity 6 version (she even said she thought it was "for Vanity 6"), where Prince recorded the instrumentation and guide vocal for Vanity at Sunset Sound. Brenda says Vanity's vocals were recorded, so maybe he did those vocals with her in MN with Don Batts. The others, per the dates of their involvement with the track, worked on an Apollonia 6 version. Timeline arithmetic. Rogers shouldn't assume that what she saw in his lyric notebook was about her.
I vaguely remember watching a VH-1 “Where Are They Now” episode and one of the Bangles said that Prince really had the hots for Suzannah Hoffs so he kept lingering around the studio even when he didn’t need to. But Suzannah wasn’t interested and the other girls were kinda getting annoyed at him. Haha. Great song though.
I spy an RE20. Also, just listened to "Originals" tonight on a bike ride. 🚲🤯
Prince wanted to gift you with his version of love, but he was gonna make people earn it…
TRUTH
The demo and maybe the duet version were more than likely recorded at the warehouse, the Bangles version was recorded at Sunset. I have my Purple Rain work order poster proudly displayed in my studio
I can’t believe some folks actually believe Apollonia help write manic Monday. I wrote manic Monday NOT her haikus….
Thank you Prince😁
@@lonib213 💜
I think Manic Monday was inspired by Denise Vanity Matthews......Jesse Johnson of the Time did an interview and he talked about how he would give Vanity a ride to rehearsals and how she was always making them late and Prince would dock/fine their pay because of it. Jesse would go on to say Vanity would come out in her outfits and people would just look and stare...🤨
I remember the boot of this, with Vanity singing it…
The only songwriting Apollonia ever did is in her dreams.
Apollonia has been doing some lying.......
She is literally banned from Paisley Park because of it.
No audio?
She's right. What's it matter. Why burst your bubble.
The best woman Prince ever had in his life (hands down) was Susan Rogers.
He should’ve married her (if she’d have him).
She may have seen him writing in his book so technically yeah she saw him write whatever, she does NOT know where the lyrics came from, what she and many of you commenting fail to mention is Apollonia is not the only artist who worked with him with the same stories of writing, co-writing, Prince not crediting them nor paying royalties….many in his inner circle have said how he was over money , that being said I for one don’t think it’s fair to discredit her Morris Day or others versions of events…..none of us were there….theyve never spoke ill of him and simply relayed their own stories and or events,, for the record I 100% always believed Sineads accounts of her meeting with Prince and his drug use…..she was attempted to be discredited by his fans too ….
Lol, i dont know where Susans from but she reminds me of what a former Berkeley 60's pot smoker would behave like 50 years later.
WHY DIDNT YOU WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN !!! DAM IT !!!
This woman is an engineer of some sorts but I’ve never heard her talk about running a console. What’s the scoop??
She was princes on-staff 24/7 engineer, who also was responsible to set up rehearsal spaces and equipment for him at his home studio and on the road.
There was also another self taught engineer called Z, who did early Prince recordings who also was involved in later recordings once Prince made it big.
Susan was trained/qualified and got hired as his daily engineer - to come in whenever he needed 24 hours a day - he had his studio at his house. If I recall, she was the engineer on When Doves Cry and Purple Rain, most of his hits
@@JDAfrica did she run the SSL? Me thinks no
@@Largecanyondog Yeah because you definitely know more than a woman employed by one of the best r&b/pop/funk musicians that ever lived...lol
@@darrellwilliams1991 I’ve just seen like 8 different interviews and it’s not like a cla or Sylvia Massey. She never talks about the actual recording process just personality stuff. 🤷♂️
WHY is the other man there!!!??? I know he wrote a book about Prince and interviewed people who were involved with Prince, BUT why is he acting like he knows more than Susan Rogers???!!!!
Yeah, he kinda tagged along. Should of been one on one
@@sunsetsoundrecorders Oh okay, now I understand. It was annoying but I had to laugh when Susan was like, "I Was!" Responding to her being in the room with Prince. It definitely was a great interview! Thank you!
@@davidm78 yeah, a lot of people claim to be in the room or tag onto Prince for celebrity
@@sunsetsoundrecorders Thank you for having Susan as a guest. She would definitely be someone I would trust to give a truthful point of view of what really happened.
Does it matter?
I thought I inspired Apollonia to write Poople Rain
I believe it
Why does Apollonia claim SHE wrote it?!!!
Apollonia claimed she wrote Manic Monday and The Glamorous Life, I just didn’t buy that.
I do t think anyone did
Hope they got paid & producing credits for that "inspiration" they gave.....🤔🙄😅
A Chick wrote the lyrics.. That's why an all Girl band had the biggest hit with this tune. It natural for them to sing it. The lyrics SOUND like a Chick wrote them. "Another Manic Monday/Sunday my Fun Day" CHICK CHICK CHICK Prince was a smart cookie and all that but he needed people as much as they needed his paycheck.
He wrote the lyrics and music 😭😭
This is the God damn dumbest comment I've read in a minute. Living that simp life huh boy?
Prince was bisexual he's half chick lol
@@mikedavis8008 That’s not bisexual 😭😭😭
So you think a man can't write lyrics from a woman's perspective? You can't be that narrow-minded..lol...I guess he didn't write "Sugar Walls" for Sheena Easton either huh?
nothing worse than a maniac monday
I doubt the lyrics were about her sounds a little self centered if you ask me
I thin Apollonia means that since they were boy friend and girl friend they talked and interacted about all of his songs. she might of said, Write something about the everyday girl who gets up and goes to work." Thats typical for girlfriends of musician boyfriends. They are always throwing ideas to their man/woman. Another time on the phone she could of said "Just another manic Monday" to him. I doubt it but girlfriends have tremendous influences on boyfriends or husbands. If nothing else, since it was his most creative time and she was with him. giver her credit for inspiring him as women can do.
you are confusing Purple Rain with reality. They never dated.
Prince was so high when he wrote that song.
Highly doubt it.
Prince didn’t depend on any drugs until later on when he had chronic pain. He would fire band mates for even touching drugs so I doubt at this time he was high.
@@Brolo214 - you said ‘highly’
Nothing to do with drugs... Prince Was At The HIGHEST OF HUMAN CREATIVE IMAGINATION ON EARTH ( If I may correct your meaning, Mr Christian, ) other than that you must be speaking of someone else. Cause P-Dog was organic and a veggie Till The end towards
@@prezooom4307 what's so creative ripping off journey song faithfully to make his gay purple rain crap ?