Underworlds is very much still alive. Active communities all over the world. It's one of the big four at World Championships of Warhammer last year and this year.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 they are still making product though, the newest core box came out like 6ish months ago and at NoVa yesterday they said new products are coming out this year and next year, so GW still plans to support the game for some time.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 You’re deliberately ignoring the announcement about new warbands for 24 and 25? As a fellow stockist I know it’s no longer on a range but being removed is just misinformation, I can order and still stock lots of Underworlds products and do so still just as you can but you choose not to.
The game certainly hasn't reached pre-COVID numbers, but the (admittedly lackluster) NOVA preview yesterday did just state that more Underworlds content is coming in 2024/2025. 35 tickets sold so far for the NOVA Underworlds tournament, as well. It may not be hugely popular, but the game is very much still here if folks are interested in playing it!
I played back in season 2. Got out when I didn’t want to buy all the warbands (including now out of print warbands from first season). Sold my stuff in covid and moved on. I got back into it just a few months ago specifically because of the rivals (fixed deck) format as a casual lunch break game. My LGS has a small selection but if it dies it dies. I have a nice board game now
But the trick is without the universal card support the season specific mechanics stop mattering. Primacy tokens, hunter prey tags. Or even magic heavy warbands. All of that had it's moment and now is just mechanical accretion the game can never be rid of.
We lovingly referred to the Starviper as the “autothruster expansion” for years. Nobody ever took the ship but we all needed those for our aces. Funny enough, in the second edition of the game the Starviper was actually a solid ship for the scum faction and I really enjoyed it
Never got on with underworlds as a game. Brought a fair few teams and 2 starters for the models. They were a great palette cleanser and good for test minis for armies. Then they spiked the price, and I didn't find the value, not brought any since
Guys, you obviously don't know how WHU changed in the last seasons. It doesn't work as you described :). The biggest change is Nemesis format, where you don't have to have all cards, just building deck from two selected packs. You should also watch the previous from Nova open, GW explicitly stated "new warbands will be released this year". While I somehow like insights from tabletop market you share, yet how overconfident your statement are make doubtful how actually real they are.
My friend bought me one of the starter sets recently. I've played it once and thought it was fun, but I need to play it more to understand the factions and cards better. I have the Bladeborn game from Barnes and Noble and enjoy that game more than Underworlds so far. I like the Warcry light system. Getting to use the awesome Underworld sculpts for the game is a bonus too.
I started collecting Underworlds models specifically as "Bladeborn" units for Warcry. I never bought in early because I was more into the simplified arena game that preceded Underworlds, called "Gorechosen" that is now sold as 40K-ified "Combat arena". However, after collecting a couple dozen Bladeborn units, I started collecting the rest of the Underworlds game, such as boards, cards, etc. The game is in a really good design place right now, with the Rival deck format. I am glad I got the boards i wanted and most of the Rivals decks for my Bladeborn bands. It's a very good (coffee table) game for home, where you have a live-in game partner. Without the Rivals format, I doubt I would have ever bothered with the game again. I am shocked that GW is still producing for it, yet I am kinda of glad they do. It may not seem to be breathing, but its just a better game than it was 6 years ago. And I say all of that as anything but an Underworlds apologist. I am the casual amongst ultra casuals.
I really enjoy Underworlds and play it once it a while when it comes up in the rotation (too many cool games and not enough time). We always played with the Rivals rules (using only the faction cards in decks) even when that wasn't an official rule so card chasing was never a thing for us but I can see how that could be an issue for those who played competitively. I do like how they started releasing pre-built Rivals decks to use with any faction but I also agree that it was too little too late.
I have been collecting underworlds warbands simply because the models were cool and could proxy for Mordheim. I can't say that the combination of deck building and miniatures really appeals to me even though I like those styles of games separately. The push fit minis are sometimes a pain in the ass to build though.
The Starter Set got too expensive. That’s at least why I passed initially on the third, and glad I did as that price kept going up. The only reason I bought a warband otherwise was the occasional one that had a single hero they didn’t have a plastic version of
Do you guys have any Information the rest of us did not see? GW has not said anything a out the state of the game, a recent video talked about it going on, though without any details on that.
We just give the retailer angle. Here at the shop the active play went to zero and the product sell through fell off a cliff. GW continuing to support it is great but that does not mean its thriving at every shop.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 I did not understand it that people at you store or in your area stopped playing, it sounded more like you put the information out that the game is dead. Not dead for you guys or your playerbase. But I'm also tired and will give it another listen tomorrow.
I picked up Shadespire on a whim. Because it looked neat. I never actually got to play it because I was getting married and wedding planning was the priority, and then the pandemic happened. and by the time things opened up so many editions had passed I felt lost. I do hope GW tries again, or they do a 40K version. Because there are a lot of cool ideas in the game. I also really wish that GW will price it the same way. Make it inexpensive, so people are more inclined to take a chance on it. (But I doubt they will.) Also, Jay, why do you hate me? Am I not allowed to be miffed that my beloved Intercessor team may not get rules in the next edition of Kill Team? Or does your blackened Capitalist heart rejoice in my having to buy more minis?
While miniatures, especially custom miniatures can be very cool, think how much cheaper the whole 'Underworlds' product line/franchise could be if it were just rules, maps, cards, cardboard tokens; with additional tokens replacing the miniatures? I agree that having the cards represent a 'living card game' becomes an issue too. I think another part of GW's 'fail' is in hoping/assuming that some games will be 'gateways' into other games. While I started as a 40k player and enjoyed collecting/playing several armies in 5th edition, when I came back in 10th edition I am interested in several factions but can't afford to pursue them all and while I feel the game is better (than what I read about during 7th/8th/9th) it's still a financial and time commitment I'm not willing to make. I look forward to playing Combat Patrol and Spearhead for a very long time. I have zero desire to expand any force to full AoS size; and while I have 2000+ points in multiple 40k factions I not very motivated to spend that many hours slogging through a 10th edition game. All that to say... I think there is a market for, a demographic, a customer base that only wants 'small' games like Combat Patrol, Spearhead, Kill Team, and/or Underworlds and have no desire to expand to the "full game". However I don't see that GW will be changing their design philosophy any time soon, but I wish GW would focus less on 'on-ramping' us to the bigger games. (found you guys after watching you on Ash's channel, today I'm getting caught up on posting comments to your last few videos...)
Never played the actual game but I collected alot of the miniatures for skirmish games or Mordheim gangs. They were a fun, cheaper way to get a taste of an army/faction with having to buy a full sized box that came with maybe 10 max at triple the price. The fact that all the boxes came with unique sculpts and no repeats really helped sell them for myself.
I like underworlds when it came out, I got the first 3 seasons starter boxes, Spadespire, Nighthaunt and Beastgrave. And I picked up most of the warbands for season 1, a few for season 2, and only 1 for season 3. I still like the game but I dropped off as keeping up with the yearly season model of the game seemed a bit much. I like the initial idea of potential completeness of collecting the game and having variations with the warband you could have and play. But was overwhelmed by the yearly season model and the retiring of warbands after only 2 years. And it seemed to me that some of the warbands were becoming a bit lacklustre as the seasons went on, you'd have some great ones but a lot of meh ones just to keep up with the release cycle they were pushing.
It sucks because they got such a good format for it in the end. Like with the nemesis system. Its just so many starter boxes, they should've just released warbands then a collection box of all the warbands with whatever rules have been updated, also having the warbands go out of stock if you weren't in the current season means you missed out on so much. Always the games workshop way ain't it. Also sucks the video game version doesn't get updated with the main game. That would've helped massively, could've aided in the problem of getting your hands on out of season warbands. Fun game though. I hope they iterate on it, huge copium, but I'd love if they did a refresh and out it into fantasy instead of AoS, but yeah never happening haha
Well in my area with a relatively sizable gaming club I didnt know of an active commuity. For me what was so great about this game was that you can just take the "Rivals" format and you have the cards predetermined and all the rivals decks are relatively balanced as far as I can tell. It is my go to game for having 2 - 4 friends over! Other than that I am "happy" it ends, because that means that people will dump their warbands on the second hand market where I can then go and snatch the ones up I still want to play and paint. Furthermore they make great character models for AoS, or Mordheim even. The only thing I am "sad" about is that they didn't explore certain factions a lot.
@@bernhardeisl7382 don't be too sad, the game didn't officially end, it's just not played at lordsofwargamesandhobbies anymore. Which is a shame, but not the end of a whole system.
Here in Russia we had a vast competituve community which was basically killed by Covid as well as 3-4 months delay between official and local releases of boxes. Basically you can still find active groups of people playing WH:U in major cities, but not as big as previously
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 and my retail perspective is the opposite, instead of calling it a dead game we run intro nights for it and the retention rate and buy ins of new players is better than any of the other systems.
I agree with you point here, however in my case since there were no competitive events there was no sales drivers for player to purchase kits for building best decks
What are you talking about? The game did not have some releases for a few months, but aside from this it is still strong both on the community and gameplay side. And new stuff was already promised from GW
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 do you have a link or screenshot? At the Nova preview yesterday they said new stuff is coming for the game into next year.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 where did Games Workshop say that? Didn't you write above that the game is not played at your store anymore, but GW has not cancelled it yet?
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 Did the retail channel tell you something they haven't told the rest of us? They just had a blurb about new products for Underworlds in 2024 and 2025 in the NOVA Reveal video. You've made it sound like GW has told you something that is in opposition to what they just said this week with a reveal video.
For me this was the perfect game after 8th edition WFB and a posibility to have some beautiful minis from each faction - but it was like X-Wing for me, 2nd edition killed it for me, too much stuff, too many other games, too many rules
Never tried Underworlds. I was kind of turned off by the cards, I think. Also, I can remember people saying they weren’t interested because they didn’t want to have to buy every set.
The game is still great, and you don't have to buy everything anymore you can totally play, even competitively, with only a couple purchases. Depending on the faction you could be top tier competitive for as little as like $70USD, and like $100ish on average.
There will be another Warhammer Underworlds. They’ll take the system and format and set it in 40K and it will sell fine. If they apply the learning they showed at the end , it might even be great.
It got expensive and it has failed because of the willy nilly release schedule. I didn’t even know about the extra card packs until I saw them in a flgs. I didn’t understand how those fit in or if I needed them. When I realized that I wanted them they were gone.
Uhhh, rotation mini sets are a dumb idea. I don't think there's a nicer way to put this. If for no other reason than you can shove your painted plastic minis in a long box and throw it into the back of a closet. But then there are also other reasons, making it extra, extra dumb.
I got into underworlds pretty fast. It didn't last. I felt I was just waiting around to change my cards in and I couldn't do anything..or if I could it was only because it was technically possible but didn't help my models position. I don't think it needs upgrades at all, it goes too fast. We tried playing it with curated decks and even turns but it didn't help. I bet it's more fun with more than 2 players? I'm happy for the people that like it but I felt it was like an analog phone game and not for me. I believe there was a white dwarf article about playing without cards so I think even GW knows where it went wrong. I also think the chaingast/spirit torment started out as a warband (by how it's packaged) and was cut &/or moved to that soul wars thing( or whatever it was.)
Ok..listened through it...let us go with your excuse to other comments, that you were talking just about your own store environment...maybe because you communicate to customers false stuff it died. Warbands never rotated, just boards and 'generic' cards. Second you praise the separate decks, but that has been a thing for several seasons now and the season starting box includes two of those and they are not season specific stretching over several and don't fit every warband by game plan. And now to add to this...they just released warscrolls to AoS of the Warbands? How far behind the curve are you? They sent all Warbands to Legends and now seem to trickle them back in with the first two. And of course the Nova announcement that clowns on this entire video...just take the L guys and admit you talked out of your rear. Your justifications in the replies are contradicting themselves and range from 'we meant it differently' to 'my dad works at Nintendo, so I know all the cheat codes'-energy
You know usually you guys are on point and have some really good insight on wargame topics but maannnn this ones a BIG miss. You are actively hurting a community that is trying to regrow. It hasnt been officially announced that theyve stopped producing underwolrds and they even stated that they ARE working on more underwolrds content. The game is VERY easy to introduce to a new player with the variety of formats in the game(play with faction deck only or a universal deck only,no mixing OR mix with only 2 decks one being favtion deck). Ive been a big fan of your content but this one hurts to watch as youre very much looking down on ppl for this one as if this game has been dead for years.
We are just reporting what we have seen and what we have heard mate. And as you can read by the other comments, it matches with a lot of other people's experiences. Our intention isn't to reduce your experience, just objectively report on ours. I hope we are wrong!
Like so much GW stuff, this game was flawed genius. It was a good game but the power creep and balance issues were crazy and it required so much preparation and discussion bet ween players to avoid a negative play experience it limited it's success out of the gate.
Not the same at all. Underworlds uses boards instead of normal terrain and cards that you play between models making activations to influence the board state. Great game since they stopped trying to force you to buy every last box to get cards. These days you only buy models you want and standalone decks that you like the play style of.
What the hell are you talking about? GW literally told at NOVA they will release new warbands for the game in 2024 and 2025. At least try to pretend you know the game well
We just give the retailer angle. Here at the shop the active play went to zero and the product sell through fell off a cliff. GW continuing to support it is great but that does not mean its thriving at every shop.
If this is your hustle, cool, but don't go on the Discourse Miniatures or War Hammer Man clout treadmill, it's just junk content for views and it's a damn shame 😢 by releasing this video you have achieved nothing
I wouldn't say nothing. Just nothing good for themselves, showing themselves talking out of their rear and that they actively hinder the sale by spreading misinformation
The microcosm of your store is not representative of gaming as a whole. You’ve had so many takes lately that are way off base. I’ve never seen anyone who actually cared about this game.
Underworlds is very much still alive. Active communities all over the world. It's one of the big four at World Championships of Warhammer last year and this year.
Alive in what sense? They aren't making new products for the game and it's being removed from all retail spaces.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 they are still making product though, the newest core box came out like 6ish months ago and at NoVa yesterday they said new products are coming out this year and next year, so GW still plans to support the game for some time.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905
You’re deliberately ignoring the announcement about new warbands for 24 and 25? As a fellow stockist I know it’s no longer on a range but being removed is just misinformation, I can order and still stock lots of Underworlds products and do so still just as you can but you choose not to.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905Actively removing it from retail spaces would be news to me as it goes strong in my area
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 that is so false, as they very much announced new products for the end of the year for UW (just not what)
The game certainly hasn't reached pre-COVID numbers, but the (admittedly lackluster) NOVA preview yesterday did just state that more Underworlds content is coming in 2024/2025. 35 tickets sold so far for the NOVA Underworlds tournament, as well. It may not be hugely popular, but the game is very much still here if folks are interested in playing it!
We are talking about it in a retail sense. Glad to see there's still some players.
I played back in season 2. Got out when I didn’t want to buy all the warbands (including now out of print warbands from first season). Sold my stuff in covid and moved on.
I got back into it just a few months ago specifically because of the rivals (fixed deck) format as a casual lunch break game. My LGS has a small selection but if it dies it dies. I have a nice board game now
The models never rotated, neither did warband cards. Only universal cards and gameboards ever rotated.
But the trick is without the universal card support the season specific mechanics stop mattering.
Primacy tokens, hunter prey tags. Or even magic heavy warbands. All of that had it's moment and now is just mechanical accretion the game can never be rid of.
I still play Underworlds. It and Kill Team are the only GW games I play, though I do buy Middle Earth stuff on occasion.
X-Wing did this too. People would buy a $30 model just for a couple of cards to enhance their primary ship build.
We lovingly referred to the Starviper as the “autothruster expansion” for years. Nobody ever took the ship but we all needed those for our aces.
Funny enough, in the second edition of the game the Starviper was actually a solid ship for the scum faction and I really enjoyed it
They got it right at the end, when they stopped trying milk it.
@@vonether just that they never stopped
Okay, fine. I'll like this one too, now that you found the audio.
it was literally because when I stitched the files together somewhere I clicked a mute button..
It's a great game. If my life gets constrained such that I cannot play Old World or AoS, I'll probably give my Underworlds stuff another look.
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Never got on with underworlds as a game. Brought a fair few teams and 2 starters for the models. They were a great palette cleanser and good for test minis for armies. Then they spiked the price, and I didn't find the value, not brought any since
Guys, you obviously don't know how WHU changed in the last seasons. It doesn't work as you described :). The biggest change is Nemesis format, where you don't have to have all cards, just building deck from two selected packs. You should also watch the previous from Nova open, GW explicitly stated "new warbands will be released this year".
While I somehow like insights from tabletop market you share, yet how overconfident your statement are make doubtful how actually real they are.
That's a change in course from what they have been telling retail shops and content creators!
We will see :)
My friend bought me one of the starter sets recently. I've played it once and thought it was fun, but I need to play it more to understand the factions and cards better.
I have the Bladeborn game from Barnes and Noble and enjoy that game more than Underworlds so far. I like the Warcry light system. Getting to use the awesome Underworld sculpts for the game is a bonus too.
I started collecting Underworlds models specifically as "Bladeborn" units for Warcry.
I never bought in early because I was more into the simplified arena game that preceded Underworlds, called "Gorechosen" that is now sold as 40K-ified "Combat arena".
However, after collecting a couple dozen Bladeborn units, I started collecting the rest of the Underworlds game, such as boards, cards, etc.
The game is in a really good design place right now, with the Rival deck format. I am glad I got the boards i wanted and most of the Rivals decks for my Bladeborn bands.
It's a very good (coffee table) game for home, where you have a live-in game partner.
Without the Rivals format, I doubt I would have ever bothered with the game again. I am shocked that GW is still producing for it, yet I am kinda of glad they do. It may not seem to be breathing, but its just a better game than it was 6 years ago.
And I say all of that as anything but an Underworlds apologist. I am the casual amongst ultra casuals.
I really enjoy Underworlds and play it once it a while when it comes up in the rotation (too many cool games and not enough time). We always played with the Rivals rules (using only the faction cards in decks) even when that wasn't an official rule so card chasing was never a thing for us but I can see how that could be an issue for those who played competitively. I do like how they started releasing pre-built Rivals decks to use with any faction but I also agree that it was too little too late.
16:49 I think a lot of that ended up informing Spearhead with a much smaller reliance on the card side of things
Not sure this is the best day to release a vid about a GW game with the word "roadmap" in it 😉
(After what happened at the 2024 Nova Open.)
I have been collecting underworlds warbands simply because the models were cool and could proxy for Mordheim. I can't say that the combination of deck building and miniatures really appeals to me even though I like those styles of games separately. The push fit minis are sometimes a pain in the ass to build though.
The Starter Set got too expensive. That’s at least why I passed initially on the third, and glad I did as that price kept going up.
The only reason I bought a warband otherwise was the occasional one that had a single hero they didn’t have a plastic version of
Do you guys have any Information the rest of us did not see? GW has not said anything a out the state of the game, a recent video talked about it going on, though without any details on that.
We just give the retailer angle. Here at the shop the active play went to zero and the product sell through fell off a cliff. GW continuing to support it is great but that does not mean its thriving at every shop.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 I did not understand it that people at you store or in your area stopped playing, it sounded more like you put the information out that the game is dead.
Not dead for you guys or your playerbase.
But I'm also tired and will give it another listen tomorrow.
@@tristanstadler5288because that isn't what they meant. Just a Post-Upload justification for the factually false statements
I picked up Shadespire on a whim. Because it looked neat. I never actually got to play it because I was getting married and wedding planning was the priority, and then the pandemic happened. and by the time things opened up so many editions had passed I felt lost.
I do hope GW tries again, or they do a 40K version. Because there are a lot of cool ideas in the game. I also really wish that GW will price it the same way. Make it inexpensive, so people are more inclined to take a chance on it. (But I doubt they will.)
Also, Jay, why do you hate me? Am I not allowed to be miffed that my beloved Intercessor team may not get rules in the next edition of Kill Team? Or does your blackened Capitalist heart rejoice in my having to buy more minis?
He only perceives other humans as 1's and 0's, but the 1's are actually dollar signs.
Lmao
-Chris
While miniatures, especially custom miniatures can be very cool, think how much cheaper the whole 'Underworlds' product line/franchise could be if it were just rules, maps, cards, cardboard tokens; with additional tokens replacing the miniatures? I agree that having the cards represent a 'living card game' becomes an issue too. I think another part of GW's 'fail' is in hoping/assuming that some games will be 'gateways' into other games.
While I started as a 40k player and enjoyed collecting/playing several armies in 5th edition, when I came back in 10th edition I am interested in several factions but can't afford to pursue them all and while I feel the game is better (than what I read about during 7th/8th/9th) it's still a financial and time commitment I'm not willing to make. I look forward to playing Combat Patrol and Spearhead for a very long time. I have zero desire to expand any force to full AoS size; and while I have 2000+ points in multiple 40k factions I not very motivated to spend that many hours slogging through a 10th edition game.
All that to say... I think there is a market for, a demographic, a customer base that only wants 'small' games like Combat Patrol, Spearhead, Kill Team, and/or Underworlds and have no desire to expand to the "full game". However I don't see that GW will be changing their design philosophy any time soon, but I wish GW would focus less on 'on-ramping' us to the bigger games.
(found you guys after watching you on Ash's channel, today I'm getting caught up on posting comments to your last few videos...)
Thanks for the great comments and for watching :)
Never played the actual game but I collected alot of the miniatures for skirmish games or Mordheim gangs. They were a fun, cheaper way to get a taste of an army/faction with having to buy a full sized box that came with maybe 10 max at triple the price. The fact that all the boxes came with unique sculpts and no repeats really helped sell them for myself.
Very cool minis
Some people call it out of focus, others just call it "soft focus".
I like underworlds when it came out, I got the first 3 seasons starter boxes, Spadespire, Nighthaunt and Beastgrave. And I picked up most of the warbands for season 1, a few for season 2, and only 1 for season 3. I still like the game but I dropped off as keeping up with the yearly season model of the game seemed a bit much. I like the initial idea of potential completeness of collecting the game and having variations with the warband you could have and play. But was overwhelmed by the yearly season model and the retiring of warbands after only 2 years. And it seemed to me that some of the warbands were becoming a bit lacklustre as the seasons went on, you'd have some great ones but a lot of meh ones just to keep up with the release cycle they were pushing.
Just that Warbands don't rotate, just decks that were separate and boards
It sucks because they got such a good format for it in the end. Like with the nemesis system.
Its just so many starter boxes, they should've just released warbands then a collection box of all the warbands with whatever rules have been updated, also having the warbands go out of stock if you weren't in the current season means you missed out on so much. Always the games workshop way ain't it.
Also sucks the video game version doesn't get updated with the main game. That would've helped massively, could've aided in the problem of getting your hands on out of season warbands. Fun game though. I hope they iterate on it, huge copium, but I'd love if they did a refresh and out it into fantasy instead of AoS, but yeah never happening haha
It really sucks because it is/was so good
Starter set and exp kits became way too expensive...
Well in my area with a relatively sizable gaming club I didnt know of an active commuity. For me what was so great about this game was that you can just take the "Rivals" format and you have the cards predetermined and all the rivals decks are relatively balanced as far as I can tell. It is my go to game for having 2 - 4 friends over!
Other than that I am "happy" it ends, because that means that people will dump their warbands on the second hand market where I can then go and snatch the ones up I still want to play and paint. Furthermore they make great character models for AoS, or Mordheim even.
The only thing I am "sad" about is that they didn't explore certain factions a lot.
@@bernhardeisl7382 don't be too sad, the game didn't officially end, it's just not played at lordsofwargamesandhobbies anymore.
Which is a shame, but not the end of a whole system.
Here in Russia we had a vast competituve community which was basically killed by Covid as well as 3-4 months delay between official and local releases of boxes. Basically you can still find active groups of people playing WH:U in major cities, but not as big as previously
Games played does not equal money being made. I know sometimes that's hard to see/understand. But ultimately that's our retail perspective.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 and my retail perspective is the opposite, instead of calling it a dead game we run intro nights for it and the retention rate and buy ins of new players is better than any of the other systems.
I agree with you point here, however in my case since there were no competitive events there was no sales drivers for player to purchase kits for building best decks
Underworlds had 9 players at LVO this past year, but didn't they talk about more Underworlds warbands coming out later this year at the preview?
Love the miniatures, the game has been kicked in to the dirt.
What are you talking about? The game did not have some releases for a few months, but aside from this it is still strong both on the community and gameplay side. And new stuff was already promised from GW
I got into it at the start but zero uptake locally. I tried to organise stuff but *Crickets*
Thoughts on the reboot announcement
Coming soon!
Even better with sound! 🥳
I've bought plenty of underworlds kits, yet never played the game, best proxy source gw ever made lol
Dropped off the game when they announced season 3 and that the universal cards from the 2 previous seasons were banned from competitive play
What is the source saying the game has been cancelled?
Games Workshop
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 do you have a link or screenshot? At the Nova preview yesterday they said new stuff is coming for the game into next year.
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 where did Games Workshop say that? Didn't you write above that the game is not played at your store anymore, but GW has not cancelled it yet?
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 Did the retail channel tell you something they haven't told the rest of us? They just had a blurb about new products for Underworlds in 2024 and 2025 in the NOVA Reveal video.
You've made it sound like GW has told you something that is in opposition to what they just said this week with a reveal video.
@@soapboxk2203stockists don’t get any special information, we don’t even know the new release before the community does.
Great game
For me this was the perfect game after 8th edition WFB and a posibility to have some beautiful minis from each faction - but it was like X-Wing for me, 2nd edition killed it for me, too much stuff, too many other games, too many rules
Never tried Underworlds. I was kind of turned off by the cards, I think. Also, I can remember people saying they weren’t interested because they didn’t want to have to buy every set.
The game is still great, and you don't have to buy everything anymore you can totally play, even competitively, with only a couple purchases. Depending on the faction you could be top tier competitive for as little as like $70USD, and like $100ish on average.
Shadespire was great, didn't play any of the later waves. Bought a few for AoS, enjoyed the online version on steam
"Keep playing the games you love !"
"But Chris, what about the Holy Balance ?! Without it, it's a dead game !"
Lol ya got me
Malifaux, blood bowl, AOS, warhammer guy here……..I tried and stopped playing Underworlds because of the deck building.
I feel like its the best GW game that no one is playing
You aren't wrong about this.
1 of the first videos I watched on GMG was Ash's Shadespire Let's Play with Chris. Jeez....6 years ago!?
I think I forgot about that one lol
There will be another Warhammer Underworlds. They’ll take the system and format and set it in 40K and it will sell fine. If they apply the learning they showed at the end , it might even be great.
On what basis do you put that assumption? Anything GW has said or written?
@@tristanstadler5288 I think its just a solid assumption, because why wouldn't the 40k flavor be interesting. People love grid based tactics games
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 but it's written as a stated fact, that's why I'm wondering.
I hope your guys are entering the #oneboxwargame challenge...
I couldn't get into the video game, I thought it was boring so I never picked up a box set.
@@lordnovas just get yourself tabletop simulator. The Underworlds Community has a mod for it with all warbands that is kept perfectly up to date
It got expensive and it has failed because of the willy nilly release schedule.
I didn’t even know about the extra card packs until I saw them in a flgs. I didn’t understand how those fit in or if I needed them. When I realized that I wanted them they were gone.
@@chad534 Expensive? A warband with cards is less than 2 character minis and at least includes 3
Uhhh, rotation mini sets are a dumb idea. I don't think there's a nicer way to put this. If for no other reason than you can shove your painted plastic minis in a long box and throw it into the back of a closet. But then there are also other reasons, making it extra, extra dumb.
What's the difference for you in comparison to say, successful card games like Magic that work well with rotation?
For the record the warbands models and decks never rotated, only universal cards rotated.
@@thomaswakefield4124 yes, an often "forgotten" fact :)
I got into underworlds pretty fast. It didn't last. I felt I was just waiting around to change my cards in and I couldn't do anything..or if I could it was only because it was technically possible but didn't help my models position. I don't think it needs upgrades at all, it goes too fast. We tried playing it with curated decks and even turns but it didn't help. I bet it's more fun with more than 2 players? I'm happy for the people that like it but I felt it was like an analog phone game and not for me. I believe there was a white dwarf article about playing without cards so I think even GW knows where it went wrong. I also think the chaingast/spirit torment started out as a warband (by how it's packaged) and was cut &/or moved to that soul wars thing( or whatever it was.)
Ok..listened through it...let us go with your excuse to other comments, that you were talking just about your own store environment...maybe because you communicate to customers false stuff it died. Warbands never rotated, just boards and 'generic' cards. Second you praise the separate decks, but that has been a thing for several seasons now and the season starting box includes two of those and they are not season specific stretching over several and don't fit every warband by game plan.
And now to add to this...they just released warscrolls to AoS of the Warbands? How far behind the curve are you? They sent all Warbands to Legends and now seem to trickle them back in with the first two.
And of course the Nova announcement that clowns on this entire video...just take the L guys and admit you talked out of your rear. Your justifications in the replies are contradicting themselves and range from 'we meant it differently' to 'my dad works at Nintendo, so I know all the cheat codes'-energy
Lol
I think you've nailed it man. We definately killed the game with our own negativity!
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 ...that does not even make sense in regards to what I wrote.
they added whu warbands back into aos? Could you provide a link, not doubting you just glad that my witchhunters may become legal once again
@@NeuralWraith Skabbik's Plaguepack and the Domitian's Stormcoven from the Wyrdhollow box.
audin't? audiodo
You know usually you guys are on point and have some really good insight on wargame topics but maannnn this ones a BIG miss.
You are actively hurting a community that is trying to regrow.
It hasnt been officially announced that theyve stopped producing underwolrds and they even stated that they ARE working on more underwolrds content.
The game is VERY easy to introduce to a new player with the variety of formats in the game(play with faction deck only or a universal deck only,no mixing OR mix with only 2 decks one being favtion deck).
Ive been a big fan of your content but this one hurts to watch as youre very much looking down on ppl for this one as if this game has been dead for years.
We are just reporting what we have seen and what we have heard mate. And as you can read by the other comments, it matches with a lot of other people's experiences.
Our intention isn't to reduce your experience, just objectively report on ours.
I hope we are wrong!
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905reading in the comments it is the opposite.
Like so much GW stuff, this game was flawed genius. It was a good game but the power creep and balance issues were crazy and it required so much preparation and discussion bet ween players to avoid a negative play experience it limited it's success out of the gate.
Wait, is underworlds not the same thing as Warcry?
Different game system
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 didn't warcry replace underworlds like how Kill team '21 replaced kill team 2018?
@@OptimusMonk01no
Not the same at all. Underworlds uses boards instead of normal terrain and cards that you play between models making activations to influence the board state.
Great game since they stopped trying to force you to buy every last box to get cards. These days you only buy models you want and standalone decks that you like the play style of.
What the hell are you talking about? GW literally told at NOVA they will release new warbands for the game in 2024 and 2025. At least try to pretend you know the game well
We just give the retailer angle. Here at the shop the active play went to zero and the product sell through fell off a cliff. GW continuing to support it is great but that does not mean its thriving at every shop.
Please explain for those of us who watched the stream and saw no mention of it
@@lordsofwargamesandhobbies3905 That''s not what you've said in this video though. You've said the game is dead.
If this is your hustle, cool, but don't go on the Discourse Miniatures or War Hammer Man clout treadmill, it's just junk content for views and it's a damn shame 😢 by releasing this video you have achieved nothing
I wouldn't say nothing. Just nothing good for themselves, showing themselves talking out of their rear and that they actively hinder the sale by spreading misinformation
Sure thing dudes!
Thanks for the comments, they go a long way to growing the channel through engagement!
Appreciate you!
Some say covid killed the game.
The microcosm of your store is not representative of gaming as a whole. You’ve had so many takes lately that are way off base. I’ve never seen anyone who actually cared about this game.
Well that's like...your opinion man. 😉