Simracing Is Only Serious Like This
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Whats your opinion? Only those who spend money and have high end equipment, can be serious about simracing?
i just spent 17 euro on a thermalright assasin and thats enough for me. turns out the stock cooler wasnt on properly and was hitting 96 degrees, now i cant get it past 66. result!
minimum 144Hz monitor and id say youd be surprised what people can do with hardware way under your criteria tbh
I was writing this but there's too much shit to condense it down to a UA-cam comment
That doesn't even make sense. I tell people to buy used at 1st, see if you like it, if you do, set a budget and go for it.
Don't make fun of people.
Check out Timmy Hill on iracing, races with a g29, I believe. Dudes got over 1000 wins
I saw the same tweet and thought to myself this dude is either way out of touch or just wants to flex because he is a actual racecar driver and has the means to afford/write off such an expensive rig. Gate keeping isn’t good for the community and we all should really do everything we can to be inclusive of people who have interest in the hobby.
A sim racer hating on the G29 is like a petrol head hating on the VW Beetle. They simply don't know the history of sim racing. The Logitech G2x is the best selling wheel ever made for a reason.
and it isnt even bad, i have one atm and im gonna upgrade to thrustmaster, but without the g29 i would have never thought to get further into simracing
Couldn’t have said it better, thank you 🙏
its like people complaints that you should buy lamborghini as a first car
G29 is great, recently got a CSL DD and gave away mine... the guy who I gave it to loves it; can't use it as much as he wants as his sister keeps hogging it :D Yeah, it's notchy and clips, but is a lot of fun, definitely more then good enough to get you hooked!
@@radovanivanovic5706 I used Logitech G's for years and same as you upgraded to a CSL DD. For sure I love the DD, but the Logitech will always hold a place in my heart.
Watching this video sat on my own in the 5th row of the $5,000,000 cinema complex I built inside my home because I take UA-cam seriously unlike 80% of people here.
calm down, linus tech tips
At the same time that does imply that you take your cinema viewing experience more seriously than most. His problem is in his delivery not necessarily in the facts of the case.
@@Michael-pi8psnot really serious until he gets a popcorn nachine and a costume for his wife to sell goodies before main feature.
Bro really saw Michael Jacksons personal cinema at Neverland ranch and thought "Nah I can build bigger".
No you don’t have to break yourself - money wise or physically… as long as you are having fun and enjoy yourself… be a kid or and adult … it to have fun… sometimes chasing this rabbit hole will take out the enjoyment and fun…
You see this a lot in the audiophile community, where people spend ludicrous amounts chasing wider soundstage, cleaner bass, crisper trebles, greater separation...while forgetting to actually listen to the music.
Such elitism is simply laughable. Have fun with your gear and games, no matter how much you spent on them.
If you’re not living in a million dollar house, you don’t take life seriously
One of the guys that dominates an AC league i'm playing on (and I mean absolutely wipes the floor with 90% of the user base) plays on a controller on a 10 year old computer, with a single 1080p monitor.
Exactly!!!
Geez, I remember when Super GT was using a controller!
I started simracing 12 years ago with a Logitech Driving Force GT on a wheel stand, sitting on a couch, in Gran Turismo 5. Then upgraded to a G29, then a Thrustmaster T300, then a Thrustmaster T818, and this week my Simagic Alpha U arrived. I have also ditched the console and moved to PC, into iRacing and Assetto Corsa. Every wheel and every game or sim i was playing at any given time of my simracing "journey" was amazing and super fun. I love playing iRacing on a top of the range, multi thousand euro rig, but 10 years ago, 11 year old me thought that playing WRC 5 and GT5 on the PS3 with a Driving Force GT was the best thing ever. I also used the G29 in my first 1 or 2 years of iRacing and it was awesome.
I think the best way to look into sim racing is that the best equipment is the one you own. As long as you are having fun with it, then it is the perfect rig for you.
Very well said! I couldn’t agree more!
Couldn't agree more and I had practically the same path DFGT, G27, T300RS GTE then my current CSL DD with V3 pedals.
The only downside to to the geared wheels is the darn NOISE of the things, other than that they worked and I was able to be competitive with players on high end gear.
My biggest problem with logitech in general is they flogged the G25 for essentially 18 years with ever increasing prices for very little MEANINGFUL improvement and some improvements came with hidden costs..
i,e, the DFGT had 2.4nm peak torque whilst the G25 onwards dropped this to 2.1nm because they switched from flat faced to helical gearing, the flat faced gear teeth were much wider and had greater strength, whilst the helical gears were much thinner but had the advantage of tighter tolerances, yeah it wasn't a huge difference but it WAS noticeable and disappointing at the time.
I personally suggest if players are on a tight budget and couldn't possibly afford a direct drive then seriously look at the 3.4nm T300 but go 2nd hand as they can be found dirt cheap vs new from TM e.g. T300RS GTE £379-469 or worse £599 for the TGT 2 whilst the T300RS GTE can be found on Ebay for £130 upwards. ESPECIALLY as the Cammus C5 DD starts at £249!
With the saving you could afford a 3 pedal set with loadcell brake and STILL be cheaper like the Thrustmaster T-LCM's (£56+ on Ebay) or Fanatec CSL elite LC (£100+ on ebay)..
If you've got enough to buy the T300 brand new then the Cammus C5 and either pedal set works out cheaper with ~50% stronger FFB and nigh on silent operation as well, making it a total no brainer imo.
Of course there is the issue of having to plug the pedals in separately which iirc can't be done on console though there are adapters out there to allow cross compatibility but they tend to be expensive.. Plus at least the T-LCM's CAN be plugged into the T300 base and are fully compatible
I started simracing with a keyboard 40 years ago... :D (Test Drive, what an amazing game...) And my first wheel was a Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 25-30 years ago... So i know that those who are starting their simracing "career" with a G29 these days, are all very-very lucky. :)
This is so true.
That's me too & same first wheel as well lol, good times on GPL & Sports Car GT were my two favourites, still have the disks somewhere. (that's why I love AC, with mods I can play them again with next gen, happy days) Edit: almost forgot Toca2 with wet weather was next gen back in the day lol..
For almost a decade I used a $99 Logitech MOMO Black steering wheel and pedals before I eventually started acquiring high end gear. That $99 dollar wheel was my gateway to an amazing hobby and fun.
Saw this tweet too and immeaditely blocked the guy, he's not worthy of any seconds of our attention
Was it daniel morad ?
This is why I stick to console. Simply because I can't justify spending my money on a full PC rig, iRacing subscription etc when I have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed.
I can stick with ACC and enjoy a sim experience on the hardware and wheel I already own whenever I get the time to play.
Throw in PSVR2 and GT7 and even racing in Sport mode in VR scratches a racing itch even if it's hardly realistic racing.
If I won the lottery maybe, but I don't like wasting money so I don't even play the lottery haha
Same here. I've got a VR2, and I'm having a ball with it. Yeah, occasionally dabble in PC with ACC, but the console suits my lifestyle, like u.
I spent only a $1000 on my sim set up and already beat that guy every time 😂😂😂 , he has way to much on his set up that causes him not to be good 😂😂😂 take that to the bank 💯
Excellent analysis!
I've been sim racing since 1994. Equipment should always be placed in context: where the player is (just starting, looking to upgrade, etc.), budgetary constraints, current skill set and available space.
Along the way it always comes down to one thing: is the player having fun - ? Is the experience enjoyable - ?
Therefore, the type / brand of equipment being used really doesn't matter.
Sim racing is a solitary hobby regardless of the fact that we race online with others; they are strangers even though we might know a few people in a league as 'online friends'. However, social media has allowed a vocal minority the ability to make ridiculous statements as discussed in the video.
That statement if expressed in a public space among a group of fellow hobbyists would be quickly derided and the person would be subject to ridicule.
Unfortunately, today. there are no real consequences for these types of statements and the people who make them know that.
there was a moment many years ago on rfactor and my logitech g force wheel that felt so amazing, i was on the limit and throwing car around defying the laws of physics and since then i've spent a lot on equipment but still haven't experienced that moment again. point is , that wheel was 90 pounds and gave me an experience i wont ever forget. the amount you spend does not matter.
I know exactly what you are talking about. I had this exact same thing happen with a T300 in AC after one of the DLC's dropped, I believe I was driving the Audi R8 LMS, like 8 years ago or something. Had one even before this, playing the F1 Challenge game ISI made, I had the Logitech Wingman wheel.
I have a Simubube 2 Pro now, never felt the same thing with it tho.
@@gefx0164 it feels
Like I’m chasing that feeling again but no amount of money spent gets there 😂
People have won big iRacing leagues and special events on the Logitech stuff. It’s a great step into sim racing for people who are not wanting to dive head first. Sim racing is for everyone and we should want everyone to race.
Talking sense as always. I send everyone looking to get a wheel to this channel… for obvious reasons. And I’m still on a pad 🤘🏻
Ngl, when I pull up to IRL track days in my lightly modded WRX, and I see others come in with their trailers and fully stripped out track cars, it brings me right back to those days when I was a G29 owner looking at DD rigs with envy 😂 There's levels to it
I am loving your short series.
You are doing a great job 💪.
I have a humble Cammus C5 and I don't even know if I will ever want to upgrade.
What I will praise you for is not only the title and the content you explained to us, but also your execution of the narrative with us, as an audience that you don't actually see. Man, I was on the road like you were sitting in front of me, and talking to me the whole time :)
Love your videos bro. I’m on PS5 only can’t afford pc I want right now. I feel lucky to have my DD Pro.
People with low self esteem seems to like putting other people down.
That is an important massage. Thanks for speaking out. I also want the Simracing Community to be welcoming and open.
But I have to say, I didnt have fun until I bought a unreasonable expensive wheel.. ^^ *joking
Love how I knew exactly which tweet this referred to before you even revealed it lol
In my opinion it's a Bellcurve - On the X axis you have the amount of money spent, and on the Y axis you have the actual driver skill/ability
At the very low end, you have people on G27s who put heaps of hours in and can objectively drive well (I was one of them, spent 8yrs on G27 and G920 and was regularly top 100 in the world on Dirt Rally 2.0, and consistently placing high on ACC). The people at the low end of the graph can still be good, but theyre often held back by the cheap gear. Not many "very good" drivers here.
In the middle of the graph you have the average "serious" simracer who has spent around 1-2k getting their rig up to scratch (me now, with direct drive and much better peripherals) - these people on average take things seriously and get very good very quickly because their rig is more precise and realistic.
At the top end of the graph you have the people who spent 15k on their rigs, who probably do drive better than your average joe on a G27 or Thrustmaster TMX, however some of the people up here have "all of the gear and no idea" - meaning they've too quickly compensated for a lack of seat time and experience with buying the best tools of the trade.
Unfortunately sim racing, to a degree, is pay-to-win. Like any other hobby involving 4 wheels and an engine, it gets expensive, BUT, you can very easily manage where those funds are going to ensure you're getting a good balance of precise and well-performing gear, with accessibility and willingness towards seat time.
Anyone can be serious about it, and Anyone can be good on any kind of gear with enough practice and passion - money does help a bit, though it rarely ever trumps sheer experience.
Nah, pay-to-win applies only if you're competing in iRacing. Playing Assetto Corsa just for cruising is also part of sim racing too.
@@kotarojujo2737The fun factor is often forgotten about when people get 'serious'
The people who play on lower end hardware like the G29 are a core part of sim racing today. Without them the hobby wouldn't be the same for anybody and it is important to remember that even £200 or so for an entry level wheel is still a lot of money for the casual racer. Nice and insightful video as always! 😀
As much as this can be a tired point that gets brought up, I would never be able to justify spending more than I paid for my real life car on sim racing.
thats what I thought before I turned 17 and then I looked at insurance prices, Im happy that ive spent what I was saving for a car on my sim rig instead
@@iterati0n it gets better with age 😅
Tbh to me there are two separate hobbies to sim racing.
There is having fun playing the games themselves and improving your skills.
Then there is also the fun of building your simulator to your liking. Getting the gear you like the most and putting it exactly where you want it. Finding out about all the little things you can add to better convince yourself that you are in an actual race car. Trying different display, audio and haptic options to see what makes it feel more realistic and what is a gimmick. I’ve had just as much fun, enjoyment and satisfaction out of building my simulator over the past 5 years as I’ve had racing with it. Of course I’ve spent way more time actually racing but the time I’ve put into making custom brackets, parts and tweaking things to my liking has been just as enjoyable as the racing itself. Like a massive Lego set the enjoyment is as much in building as it is with playing with the final product.
It’s just very important that people don’t think that the barrier to entry of sim racing is too high. I started with a G920 on a wood wheel stand I made. Then a custom wood rig I designed and built. Then finally investing in more and more aluminum profile over time until finally now there is no wood left. Only aluminum, steel and carbon fibre.
It’s feels way more convincing now than it did with just a humble G920 but tbh there isn’t too much difference in how much fun the racing is. It is way better and way more realistic but not necessarily that much more fun.
Like watching a movie at home vs the movie theatre. The theatre is a much more significant and immersive experience but the movie it’s still the same movie if you watch it at home.
Good discussion bro!
you're "serious" the moment you start racing regularly and learning
I've had my T500RS from new for nearly a decade and have had absolutely 0 issues with it in terms of competitive races, drifting, learning new skills etc, and have very rarely wished I could upgrade to something "more expensive". I've only recently considered upgrading to a DD due to moving into a new place, and having a bit more money for things like that, but you can absolutely be competitive and still have a lot of fun with an older/lower end rig. I know some people who are still using the Logitech G wheels and are VERY fast. I can see the argument that higher end rigs do allow you to progress at a slightly better rate if you're new to sim stuff, however anyone passionate about getting into sim racing should know that it's all about persistence and training as you mentioned in the vid. If you put in enough time, you can be faster than someone with a 30k+ rig in a £300 rig 😄 Same argument as real life racing when you think about it - A fast car doesn't always mean faster driver. You'll always progress and learn better by starting out slow.
I'd also like to mention that lower end wheels also still give a great opportunity to learn "real life car control", if that's something people are interested in when starting to sim race. Even though the T500RS lacks A LOT these days compared to modern/DD wheels, I've absolutely been able to translate sim skill to real life cars, which to me is exactly what I wanted when I first bought my rig.
I guarantee you that guy gets destroyed by random bozos on G29 every day lmao.
My first one was homemade now I got a VR 2 with the full Sim ring so that guy doesn't know what he's talking about everybody starts somewhere still have lodgitech G29
that's a sensible take.
youtube is no place for sensible takes 😠
Started sim racing as a kid with some cheap wheel mounted to a TV tray sitting on the couch and trying to stop punching the pedals away from me. This was in the 80’s. Most people these days do not understand how far equipment has came. And damn it took for ever because it was such a niche.
I started on a G25 that I loaned from a friend who didn't use it, when I understood that I was into it, I got myself used T300 and slowly, over a year, transitioned to what I have now (Fanatec DD Pro 8NM with two wheels, CLS Elite V1 pedals and VR).
Over a year I had a few different pedals did some modifications to them like adding spring for CSL LC and spring to a throttle, now I'm waiting for the hall sensor and gas spring mod for Elite V1.
My point is expensive gear doesn't often mean you are better than others and when someone starts to brag about how expensive and cool setup they have, I think that they just want some recognition as they are lonely.
The expensive gear will not make you better if you are bad at it, but it can make you better if you mastered the basics :) Although I think there is a limit to how much better the better gear can make you and you still can be really good with cheaper gear as long as it ticks all your boxes :)
Everyone starts somewhere. I have a very expensive setup at the moment, but thinking about it, I think I had more fun when I was running a T300 on a Playseat with riftcat on a Samsung GearVR. Haven’t had such a big grin on my face since. Never knock what other people have and sometimes bigger isn’t necessarily better...and it definitely is no indication of how “serious” someone is about this hobby.
Good wheel stand: 150, Good aliexpress 2 set pedal load cell: 150, Good 8-10nm wheelbase and wheel (like moza R9) 750. For a little more than 1k you get a really competitive set up, that last you for years. Everything after that add little to your experience for a lot more money.
I tend to believe the Logitech G series plays a fundamental role in what sim racing has become hardware wise. It was a step stone into more serious equipment for so many people.
For me the G27 was the wheel I built my first rig for out of wood like The Simpit taught us. 😁
This is an entirely different post than I expected it to be. It is, from start to finish what I've been preaching to the young people all along. You are absolutely one of the wisest voices in this hobby. Thank you! My G29 was top of the line when I bought it. I remember eagerly awaiting its release, as I did with the previous PlayStation compatible wheels from logitech. It's about 11 years old now, and it's starting to get a slight bit of wobble. I can consistently get within the top 2% on the online time trials. I've often wondered what equipment some of the others are on. It was actually supposed to be replaced on the 10th of this month. I plan to walk into the grand opening of Micro Center for an upgrade. I think I'm going to hold off just for the hell of it. I'm going to ride this b**** to the end😂
my opinion on that? people that say such things are gatekeepers and they have god complex they wanna feel superior because they spent WAY TOO MUCH money on a sim setup with which they could get a REAL car and try to make themselfs feel better because others spend way less and have the same fun and experience! also note that DD wheels dont work in every game so why spend that kinda money if it only works in a few games
lol you really don’t know how much money it costs for any real track time do you? The $3000 total I’ve spent on my sim wouldn’t even buy me a set of tires and brakes that my car would go through in a day of hard track time. Real racing drivers that can afford to compete in racing series that cost $250,000 a year still have and use simulators on a regular basis because track time is too expensive.
Yes you can have just as much fun on a G29 as on a multi thousand dollar set up but if you want the most realistic option that won’t bankrupt you, a high end sim rig is the way to go.
Absolutely right RCS, it's about having fun and trying different aspects that SIM racing has to offer.
Side note, I would really like to see Gran Tourismo / Polyphony actually make a driving simulator i.e driving, rather than just a game with race tracks. Or have both elements but emphasis on the driving on roads, traffic etc.
I bought, repaired, and modded a broken T300 for as cheap as I could manage, and reused the table clamp and pedals from my old TMX Pro. It's been (mostly) everything I want, save for the fact that it's a bit weak and the detail's a bit dulled out. I have looked on and off at a Moza R5 setup, but I recognize that the T300 is close enough that it's not worth it unless I build up more money than I care to save. I don't even use it terribly often anymore, so that further reduces my pull towards getting something better.
If you're at least mostly happy with your wheel and you're able to be competitive enough with it to satisfy yourself, then you do you, don't bother with wasting the money.
I used a G29 for almost 10 years. I've had to clean the paddle switches, replace the brake spring and wrap some frayed cables but the wheel still works! It's force feed back is incredible for what it is and I still recommend it for anyone who is serious about sim racing. You can be competative with a G29 and don't let anyone tell you different.
I not even in the least bit interested on being the fastest or win races yet I have a close to 10k $ simrig. I care about immersion first. I like the feeling of driving a car. And yeah sure I can have that in a real car but thats an even more expensive hobby 😅
its also depends on what car. if you mostly just drive modern street car with EPS rack, logitech g series, thrusmaster wheels or cheapest DD were more just fine
@@kotarojujo2737 Not sure what you mean? So driving street cars is different from race cars how? I drive lot of jdm street stuff and its a world of difference when you drive them with a proper smooth turning DD. 😉
Ter uma 3080, um LG IPS 34" e um GT 300RS já chega perfeitamente para me divertir no Assetto Corsa com o Content Manager a correr ou a passear à chuva...
I started out with the logitech momo early 2000's playing gran Turismo.. Then later moved to the g29 which then was pretty decent. Played lfs, rfactor, assetto and later ams2 and iracing. I moved to a fanatec clubsport cswv2.5 for many years and only a year ago upgrading to a alpha mini dd.
I've had a lot of fun with all of them and i think I've enjoyed the incremental improvements over the years. Obviously the dd is awesome for realism but the others are all fine. Whatever you can afford is the best choice.
Now that I think about it, the moment you want to improve your time on extended amount of period or wanting to upgrade their gears are definitely taking it seriously regardless of what they're using. Cause if one doesn't take it seriously, they won't think about any of that.
Now I can't claim myself as "casual driver" anymore after realizing that fact... 😞
The problem with the tweet is his conflating two very different things. Simulators designed for professional training (racing, flying, etc) aren’t the same thing as “sim racing” which is meant to give non professional racers an experience that simulates what it’s like to race. Simulating or approximating the real thing for entertainment isn’t the same as simulation designed to train for real world application, although there can certainly be crossover.
I've been playing on whatever I could get my hands on for about since I started. I startedin 2008. DFGT's, G2xx, Fanatec bases, and of course, controllers.
I have world records.
I have gone from simming to real world pursuits. And back again.
I have run the breadth of experiences. And I don't think any of this stuff is even necessary. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have this stuff. But, I've been enjoying this hobby just fine on what I've got. Like I said...
World records. Championship competition. I've driven real stockcars, and I've gone from trucksim to trucker, to trucksimmer again.
And on a note about poverty. I live in the U.S, but I live in third world conditions. Moreover, my childhood living conditions have ruined my health. I barely have enoug for a meal these days. All ofmy money goes towards making sure my daughter has no idea how poor I am. I would have gone insane, a long, long time ago without simracing. My old G25 and DFGT. My G29. My rFactor 1 all the way up to 2017. Don't look downon people who found a way to enjoy the things that were previously only available to te rich and wealthy. Celebrate these people. They make the community a mich more bearable place to be.
Dang. Logitech G25? I feel really old now. My first FFB racing wheel was from a brand where I can't even remember its brand name. It was a V3 or V4 Pro steering wheel if I remember correctly., This was also back when I also just gotten my Asus V7700 Deluxe with built-in 3D glasses. This was a GeForce 2 GTS card with a whooping 32MB of VRAM. I used to play a racing sim called Viper Racing, which I got a bootlegged copy off a mate from a LAN party. (Anyone remember those?) and also had lots of fun driving Porsches in Need For Speed 5 Porsche Unleashed game. A few years afterwards, I ordered a "modern" FFB wheel, tri-pedals and H shifter "Force RS set" from a company called Act-Labs, The entire thing cost about £300 with shipping from Canada. This was the first H shifter on the market, and shortly afterwards, it was either Logitech or Thrust Master that produced their own H shifter, (I leaning towards Logitech) which really gained those in popularity. Good times.
I’m still using my T300 and, even if I’m very lucky to where I could afford expensive equipment, I absolutely don’t feel the need to upgrade
While it has been really cool having more real world drivers come into the hobby, some of it has been bad imo. Some have come into the hobby straight into rigs that most of us could ever dream of owning. They have a huge influence due to who they are and I think some are sending out the message that what they have for a rig is what you need to get into the hobby if you’re “serious”. The real world drivers are often using their sim to closely simulate the steering force, etc of their real car. The sim racer that is trying to be competitive in the sim world is different than someone who is trying to closely replicate the real thing. That’s why you hear about some esports drivers that prefer to run low force feedback settings or run on screens as opposed to VR because they tend to drive more on the limit with “unrealistic” settings.
Measurement of "taking it seriously" should be skill not price tag of your rig...
I take Sim Racing seriously and I use T300, but at least me lap times are rubbish.
As long as you have fun, play on whatever you like. If you have fun on controller/keyboard, do it. If you think having a g29 will increase your experience, do it. Do whatever that makes you enjoy and happy. No point pouring out thousands of dollars and get yourself in to financial turmoil, I have been there, no point having the best rig but can’t afford your next meal. We are not all Scrooge Mcduck that can spend endlessly on a hobby, real life needs to happen first. Can’t sim race on an empty stomach.
I started with Microsoft sidewinder ffb wheel back on 1997, then jumped to thustmaster t458 ,Logitech df gt, g27 , t300 and now Moza r12. Although a dd base gives you more details, i never discovered that "huge upgrade"or "the difference is night and day" many say compared to my t300
Same feeling about my p1000, after using my thrustmaster t3pa-pro for almost 11 years i would expect much more from my p1000
UA-camr Jardier has o comparison video also in which he compares a g920 to his fanatec dd, he almost does the same lap times
I've been 17 years simracing on a G25, i've raced the original rfactor, assetto, iracing, with a low end pc, and a basic viedo card and i've been faster and enjoyed it more than a lot of people who had invested thousands... since december i'm on a moza R5 and it's way better and great, of course, but still budget DD. All you need is love for racing, and spend hours having fun
Best thing about Randon CallSign is … he is there for everyone in the community across the board… it’s all good man✌️
I think my main problem with the G29 today is that it is worse than its price would suggest. It still sells because of the brand recognision and it looks cool, but if people stopped buying it then Logitech would be forced to make something better in the 2-300 dollar range. The tech is 20 years old now, and has barely changed.
I wish new simracers had a better option, form a reputable brand, for the same price, that didn't feel so far removed from real life force feedback. I think it is a great shame that so many people experience the G29 as their first wheel, because I think it could quickly put people off the whole genre. Especially if those people have any real world driving experience before getting into sims.
That said, lots of people are super fast with the G29, and even with xbox controllers, so who am I to say they can't be an enjoyable experience. I just think Logitech or Thrustmaster could do better for the price.
In real life I won a race championship in a MG ZS 2.0TD. You dont have to spend a lot of money. You do need to learn and practice. Yes money may make it easier but it ISNT necessary
Just cause someone spends thousands doesn’t mean they will comprehend that fundamentals of racing immediately. You can spend thousands and someone that understands racing more will dust you in a g29 with modified brakes.
I currently only playing with a controller i have my fun despite that. Planning to buy a wheel at around the $400 mark to go with vr for gt7. But there is no way i set up a wheel every time i jump in and play.
Simracing is not base of equipments, its base on passion. Sure a 13k rig will give you a shit load of feeling , but we dont have all that kind of budget. We have a nice community of around always 35 ppl on multi in EA WRC and 1 of the top(always top 10)driver there is on controller compare to all kind of wheel, from g29 to moza R21
Spent all that to run a 1.27 at Brands 😂
You'll always have to start somewhere, I guess our Twitter friend had something cheaper before he got "serious" and spent 13k on sim gear. Never forget where you came from and why you went that path, and don't forget that every great community is formed around a common nominator and a dedicated sim rig for several hundred if not thousand of $/€ surely isn't that.
How you read that tweet and hit send without a bit of self awareness is beyond me.
T150 > Alpha Mini > Alpha U > ClubSport DD > Asetek Invicta
I think I like buying the gear as much as driving!
I like ur cleanshaven look. U look 5 years younger!
Yeah, i had 2 G29s and will keep them as backup just in case
Ur spot on regarding elitism. It affects lots of areas of simming .i used to get really annoyed, but have ur attitude now, and just laugh at these types.
Great video. Keeping it real, as akways. 😊
I played iRacing on a Xbox 360 controller. For years! I did 59s on Lime Rock Park. I was coincidently featured in a short UA-cam video (which was posted on Bsimracing) while playing with a Xbox controller!
I take the hobby very seriously unlike 80% of the people here :D
But I do have a T818 now :)
Same with any hobby. Are you having fun? Cool.
I love it when someone thinks it's some sort of flex by boasting how much they gave spent.
I dare say the vast majority's gate way drug was Logitec, Thrustmaster or maybe even a Mad Cats.
I am personalty embarrassed to tell someone how much I have spent and in the grand scheme of things iy's no where near was I have seen others spend.
Sim racing is as close as most will get to racing, so the more the merrier.
I would have stuck with my T300RS GT had it not have FFB loss issues in endurance racing or long sessions. For most circuit racing disciplines that is more than enough to be fast and more importantly to learn how to improve via driving techniques etc.
I made a youtube video a while back about my own sub -$1000 dollar VR racing setup, basically that I just thought it was kühl that you could even have a full setup for VR racing for that price point without needing to spend THOUSANDS, and mostly the comments were positive, but there were a few elitist comments, one in particular calling the G29 and Quest 3 a toy... So, it's definitely reassuring for me to hear straight from @randomcallsign that it just simply isn't true. If you love racing, you love racing whether it's a G29 or a real F1 car. No one can take that away from you.
I think there are different types of "taking it seriously". First off, you can do any sim and take it seriously if you're trying to improve your skills and get better regularly. You can have a 10k iRating on a G923 simply because you take it seriously, practice, work on your skills, etc. But then there's a whole different type of taking it seriously, not better, not worse. That's the people who are trying to replicate the experience of actual racing cars. They buy special wheels, tactile transducers, triple screens, a high-power wheelbase, they wear gloves, (and the silly ones, helmets, lol, jk), they have advanced brake pedals, etc. And they do all this because sim racing should be as close to the real thing as possible for them. It simply depends on what is more important to each driver, getting good, or replicating the real thing. Because if you just want to get good, you don't need all the fancy stuff, and in fact a lot of it slows you down (camera shake, tactile feedback, high FFB, etc.)
For me, the fun is replicating driving real race cars, so yes, I dropped a bunch of money on my stuff. And one time recently I shared my rig (because building it is a hobby all in itself), and one of the fast guys in a league i'm in responding by showing his Logitech in the air that he was saying, "I'm faster than this guy and I spent way less than he did". And I'm thinking, that's not the point, dummy.
I agree totally with Random: is the driver that makes the difference not the tool. Also the simulation sw is a bottleneck. For example I purchased a DD pro for GT7 and I could not feel kerbs or road surfaces like in Assetto. Then I tried the old CLS Fanatec always with GT7 and it was simply better. In that case, downgrading the hw, the simulation was more rewarding (not the speed...)
The thing with expensive equipment, is also spending your money correctly. Your sim racing equipment goes beyond the wheel alone. Even, in some ways there is no significant difference between a G29 and a DD wheel as they are currently both limited to USB and the amount of cycles of the game. Someone like me, who spends more on the rig sturdyness and pedals has different advantages to someone who's racing with a larger screen at 144 Hz.
And there are also downsides to some better equipment. I'm not doing enough of my favourite sports at the moment, and I can feel a deminishment of my own braking performance in longer races in prototype cars because for those cars I have the brake sensitivity of my SCP V3 pedals as low as possible. If you use a bigger more expensive screen, you may be at a disadvantage because you have to actively look around for information, which takes more attention, and you may be able to run at a lower framerate than with a smaller screen. If you upgrade your wheel at anything above 8Nm spec (and for some even less) you will lose car control if you don't have the right leverage or you're not trained enough.
I think personally spend as little or as much as you want on sim racing. I have a 8020 rig and a G29 currently. but for years I used a table to drive from its about the experience not how much you spend
Watched your video plugged directly on the Google servers cause I take UA-cam seriously, unlike 80% of the viewers.
Rather be inclusive, simracing is still very niche. While more popular since Covid it still has plenty of room to grow. Logitech g wheels are a gateway in.
Some of the fastest, most competitive drivers, have budget gear & thousands of hours in seat time.
Only if you buy the very best bog roll can you seriously consider wiping your arse.
The kit has diminishing returns. I race and so does my son. Like a good dad I spent far too much on my setup and put the hours in practicing and son has a relatively basic Fanatec clubsport 2.5 hand me down kit bolted to a desk. He kicks my ass everytime he can put in a 1-2 second a lap faster time on any track. In my opinion the kit is more about immersion than being serious! ‘Being serious’ is about enjoying racing with a love for competition albeit on a g29 or simucube.
I think his tweet was in poor taste but not necessarily wrong.
Is there a difference between someone who races karts at the national/international level and someone who does rental karting at their local track? Yes.
So it stands to reason there is a difference between someone with Simucube Ultimate and Active pedals & someone using a G29.
In my opinion the G29 and rental karter are both at the bottom level of a ladder. There is nothing wrong with being on the bottom rung of a ladder but that is where you are.
The effort invested in something does tend to reflect the “seriousness” that someone view something with.
And I don’t even have a sim rig. Im selling my kart for a rig because I realized I don’t have the money to compete with the top guys in karting. I don’t race for fun, I race because I’m competitive and want to win.
national and international licenses have something in between in order to compete at those championships: the access
a driver with a g29 can drive at any game and at any class the simucube user can. the difference is hardware, not access to races. It does not necessarily means "taking it seriously". Gregor Hutu has raced for so long with a G25. A lot of people in any given level race on entry level stuff.
Of course that’s not true. Better (so usually more expensive) equipment may give you higher immersion, but if you are good, you will play on 8 Nm CSL DD and you will still be competetive.
Does an expensive rig get the dirty racers online DQ'd?
I wonder who gave him 500k views... Stupidity always pays off, i guess it works.
he has 500k views?
I'd say the sim racing market is a lot about marketing. Whereas the masses who only dip slightly into the competitive scene are buying off the brand with the biggest influencer budgets (we had Fanatec on top for years now, last 2-3 years it was all about Moza, then Asetek and now Simagic) the people really dedicated to sim racing buy more stuff of smaller but proven brands (stuff like Simucube, VRS, Heusinkveld etc).
Can a pro racer beat you on Logitech G29? Yes! Will he be faster on VRS Pedals and a Ascher wheel? Of course! Are pro drivers earning enough money to make a living? Probably not. Will said pro take every chance on additional money by getting sponsored through .. lets say Simagic? Obviously yes! Will you be able to compete against said pro driver if you buy exactly his gear without putting in the work? Hell no!
I'm don't get the definition "getting serious about sim racing" is all about, but with just 500bucks I can build a motion system and all DIY peripheral to get fun sim racing.
It's funny when I race people that have expensive rigs and I am as fast as them with my G923 . Hahaha
Well... If someone says that "because he has spend 13k on rig, so he is more serious about simracing" maybe it is true that he is more serious than many. That because raving about it is just proof he has spend lot more in it that is reasonable on his position. I have spend maybe more, but still I am not that serious. Its hobby, not my life. Then again there is kid who saves whole year for playstation and Gran turismo instead of candy, so he has to be quite seriously interested about simracing. Great difference versus real racing is, that rarely you can buy speed. Some simgear might have little benefits, but mainly we are just looking for immersion.
Wasn't Max Verstappen playing iRacing with an XBOX controller at Jeddah?
I sim race to "train" seriously, you sim race to have fun. We are not the same.
I think its all about time if you spend a lot of time and have a g29 then youre serious if you dont spend a lot of time and you have a vesaro rig youre not serious.
i am a teenager and have a g29 and I consider myself serious I sim race almost every day and genuinely try too get better and a g29 is all i can get seeing as im 14
Sounds like something Daniel Morad would say
Morad actually possesses some talent and is a decent guy. The guy who wrote the tweet is neither of these things.
@rarewhiteape am not saying it's him, you must have talent to be in GT3 unless your a dentist. It's just the things he say pal
agree with the sentiment but can't say that I've bumped into many of these elitist types. sure people debate about which sim they prefer for whatever reason, but that's about it for me personally
Person bragging how his wheel can rip off arms of of the driver does not take sim racing seriously. He's compensating something else being small.
I’m still to get a wheel set up and totally agree with you dude this is a friendly competition not a hostile one and yes mistakes are made and collisions happen but it’s also not about the tools you have but how you use them can’t wait to join you guys with a wheel probs in 20 years 😂 as I’m piss poor until then I still enjoy the taking part with controller happy racing to all
Dude has less than STARTING irating in both while having less than starting irating in 2 out of 4 licenses. The guys a joke.
PS5 (since Christmas) with G29. Loving it.
Playground arguments about mine is better than yours have been around forever. The major change is with the world more connected the vocal minority are amplified.
I'm in a few Facebook groups and there's a consistent pattern.
Someone asks about starting out and the usual response are:
Buy Direct Drive. I have one and anything 'less' is a toy.
Buy VR. I use VR and anything 'less' is not immersive.
Buy an Aluminum rig. I have an aluminum rig and anything 'less' is useless.
Buy loadcell. ...... You get the picture.
Some people are so insecure in their purchases that they have to keep reinforcing to themselves that they've done the right thing.
As is always the case. Don't feed the trolls. Online comments have a very short half life and so if ignored they fade away quickly. Meaning the person who posted gets no positive reinforcement or other opportunity to keep repeating why they're right and you are wrong.
For those old enough. C64 > ZX Spectrum 😀
Sounds like simucube owners 😂