Real scientists usually are this way when they realise they've stated something unclearly or inaccurately. He's about real conversation/data and not pushing his opinion on others.
Pfenixfire08 : ok. "Based on a survey of academic programs, US News & World Report ranked Saybrook's psychology program in the bottom quartile of its 2013 ranking of graduate psychology programs. The precise rankings in this quartile are not published. The United States National Research Council rankings (NRC) ranked Saybrook 173/174 out of 185 in its 2014 rankings of 185 psychology PhD programs." It is a SHIT school which produces SHIT academics and Chris Ryan is full of SHIT.
Keith Lamb how is he intelligent? Half of shit he kept saying are things that he can’t prove nor we have facts about it. No one know about sex life of hunter and gather, it’s not like they kept a journal/notes.
Micheal Pivovarov well you're right you could dispute his arguments as Joe does. His intelligence (from my point of view) comes from his linguistic skills and his ability to take on criticism.
Keith Lamb but how does ability to take on criticism is being intelligent?!?! Come on, I hope you aren’t one of those people that think is earth is flat. They (some) could take criticism well and be calm and try to prove you wrong but that insanity to think earth is flat.
Well intelligence at least its definition, I believe, is very subjective. If what he says, as you claim, can't be proven either way, why would you believe him not being able demonstrate 100% proof, on an unscientific podcast that lasts a couple of hours, as a measure of intelligence?
Keith Lamb Keith Lamb if I understood your question correctly, is because we don’t know history of earth past idk like 500 years. Yes we know what tribes/people lived where but they didn’t really leave any history nor dairy.We could only hypothesize based on bones/tools we find, but not how they lived/social status. He could be intelligent in some other subject/live experience, I don’t take that way from him because I don’t know that side of him, but based on this subject, it’s just illogical to put something that either he or I or anyone could really prove only if to make a time machine and actually interact with some tribe, which we can’t. And mainly not just go back in to the past but interact because just observing won’t allow u to get them completely, you need to add talking to them, understanding their beliefs, so much more. What I’m trying to say, for example, I completely don’t know you, all I see is your name, which could be made up/don’t know how you look/your age/where u live/male or not, but I would probably be able to hypothesize more about your life much more than what happened 1000 years ago as I live in the present as you. But I could only hypothesize, I can’t be for sure about any part of your life/lifestyle. So to say how someone lived 1000 or 5000 years ago is just irrational and illogical.
This guy is a lecturer and course coordinator at my university, I can say with absolute confidence that he has an ego. Has a bad reputation as a thesis supervisor. Superb speaker though, his lecturers were excellent....how he ran the course, at least for my year and the year before that...not so great. I have heard it is much better run these days though.
El Marty it’s not low because joe gets testosterone injections from his doctor. True story. So the guy was right and joe still seems pisses about it lol
BLUE DOG War doesn't account for nearly as much as you think, and war wasn't even large enough to wipe out vast swathes of the population until civilization. This is hundreds of thousands of years ago when "war" consisted of about 10 dudes batting each other around. Sexual selection is a much larger factor than war lol
@@smokingcrab2290 No, it's a way of saying "sexual jealousy is a corrosive and childish emotion based on low self esteem and insecurity". True love isn't about sexual enslavement via monogamy, it's about amoung many other things, trust and respect. That means allowing each other the freedom to express their sexuality however the fuck they like as long as it doesnt involve raping anyone or bareback anal sex with bisexual Hatian IV drug users. Hell, even that last part is negotiable. As long as your partner knows about it, they can choose whether they want to take the risk of fucking you. The fact is that MOST people engage in polyamory to some extent. They just lie their asses off about it, which makes it a form of non consensual sexual behavior similar to sexual assault when in a nominally monogamous relationship. For most (but not all) people, mongamy is a struggle against nature and biology. Who usually wins that struggle - man or nature?
You mean, when someone mentions a proven scientific fact or likely true, widely supported scientific idea that goes against what he heard from one of his "basement genius" friends, he lashes out. But when his pals are saying the most outrageous unscientific, mumbojumbo things, he just "yeah, it is entirely possible".
kmdan well his arguments about the guests points were actually very good though, ofcourse he should be critical when the guest calls the book straight up bullshit
He discredited the guest’s argument with “there is not enough data”. Said Joe, who had ufo believers, fake history believers etc, and brings up this argument in defense of a book which also has no data in the theme anyway for the same reasons. I wouldn’t mind skepticism, but when you apply it just because you don’t feel like it is bs. The guest was pretty cool though, and had a really cool way of admitting his personal ideas.
@@kmolnardaniel Well he responded to two specific "observed facts" that made the scientist draw a couple conclusions that could be totally wrong. You're right that he was very biased though ofcourse. I just kinda thought the fact that he could called them out was atleast somewhat clever.
Well he does read a lot and it’s not like he’s spouting random nonsense. I think people think that because he’s strong and in good shape he can’t possibly be smart. This dude literally made it his job to learn as much as he can and can usually hold a conversation with anyone he has in as a guest, and he has a very broad range of different guests often experts in their given field
The irony of Joe Rogan getting annoyed about his beloved testosterone is that, Joe Rogan will cite a single study to promote weed, cbd oil, DMT, ketogenic diets and all the things he loves. But, if you present him with a single study to challenge all the things he loves, then he gets really triggered.
@BLUE DOG The conversation pushed the hypothetical that the woman chose to cheat. And if she chose to cheat on you, she was never really your bitch. You were just renting.
Gene Scheel You’re that dumb ass that joe talks about that thinks because he has a couple right wing people on from time to time that he must be right wing. Joe even said he partly has right wingers on so they can talk so much that they end up shooting themselves in the foot.
It can b but it dose decrease as you age it's just silly to say it doesn't but when you're married you don't have to attract a mate so you no longer try to be as fit or attractive because you already have a mate it's simple
@@letsgotomarsman that's the point that the op is making... Joe is older, married with kids, and now has to supplement testosterone to have the level that he had when younger.... That supports everything this guest is saying,,, it's Joe that keeps going on about"no no, test is more a result of lifestyle"... Well sure that plays a part, but if that was the case he wouldn't need to supplement
I like how Bret Weinstein’s wife Heather called it a great book if you want to sound smart when convincing a girl to have a one night stand with you. Lol.
Chris Ryan didn't have Good credentials, when he wrote it, and scientists who have done tons of research, were a bit insulted. That doesn't help it going in, as well as stating that polyamory, would be better for humans. It's why Ryan doesn't ever debate anyone on his book's merits. It's a pretty far fetched thesis, especially within evolutionary biologists.
MG N It is, Ryan even says it is. Whether it was or not, he had very poor credentials, and hadn't put the time in that most evolutionary biologists do. That's why they get so angry about it.
He's not the only one to criticise Sex at Dawn. Bret Weinstein's impression was that Chris Ryan was cherry-picking data and if I had to trust one of them it would be Bret.
I don't think you understand TRT. Older men use it to bring there test levels back to where they where when they where young. It doesn't mean his levels arnt normal for a guy his age.
@@SP-xk6bl but having a declining test level with age still backs Hippel's point of view. He was never suggesting they were test deficient just that their test levels were higher when they were single and looking to mingle and lowered when they were attached and waiting for death. There's still a natural progression.
Hey Joe, it's called a hypothesis. Can't have data until it's gathered, but you can still use what you do have to make a hypothesis based on general logic.
@julio1c1saga I just thought he got real defensive and disrespectful for no good reason. Only because he felt threatened about the notion about males who have offspring to have less testosterone, but wow you must be a psychic psychologist to be able to read a person after reading one sentence from them.
julio1c1saga Meh 😒 ... you are spouting a lot of “bro science” , a common feature found in many regular JR Podcast listeners . If you want facts , try this on for size : Testosterone deficiency is exceedingly less common than marketing campaigns and "The Joe Rogan Podcast" culture would have us believe. Low testosterone-known as hypogonadism or hypotestosteronemia-is real for a very slim percentage of men. For the rest of us , Testosterone levels fall by only 1 to 2 percent a year after age 40, regardless of lifestyle . The guest is more on point here with what the studies ACTUALLY show . Rogan is merely spreading his “bro science” silliness , and simultaneously justifying his steroid use .
@@garyvlahos635 While Joe got defensive here and is wrong, you used this one thing to discredit everything about his and his audience. You really are frustrated lol.
Well hes already fucking his female opener, you see brendan goof on his podcast? And the girl got called out and ripped for it on Tony Hinchcliffs Kill Tony podcast
@@blickluke did they seriously call her out on kill Tony or did they do it as a joke and you misinterpreted it because you want your "joe is a cheater" theory to be true?
If this guy had also criticized Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson's theories it would push Joe over the edge and we would have seen a JRE first. Joe getting out of his chair and hitting his guest with a spinning back kick.
Monogamy is for children. If you want a strong society, you need fathers who are fully invested in raising their own children. If you want a broken ghetto, get people sleeping around and not taking care of their children.
@Wucci Mane In nearly every case children are better off raised by both biological parents, so monogamy is for the sake of children and a more stable society in the future for everyone. Families are the foundation and backbone of society, broken families create a broken society.
Glad to see everyone is calling Joe out here. I know he says he doesn’t care about comments yada yada but I wonder if he looks back at how he treats certain guests, and the comments would back up his concerns. This guy takes his ridiculous aggression so well that it made Joe look like a child.
Jealous is one of the most misused words in American English today. You are jealous of things that are yours, you don't want others to have them. You envy things that others have, you want them. People usually say they are "jealous" when they should say envious. "Oh my god you got the new iPhone, I'm so jealous!" Nope, that's envy, not jealousy...
@@nGUNNARp Well those used to be the actual definitions of the terms, I think that now it depends on where you look up the definitions. Some sources will consider them to be synonyms. But, if you think about it either one can be motivating or depressing. Envy of someone else's success can motivate you to go out and achieve success of your own, but it can also make you depressed that you don't have the same opportunities that the other person has. Conversely being jealous can cause you to drive someone away that you are trying to hang on to, which could cause depression as a result, but it could also cause you to be more able to protect someone or something from a real threat that turns up or to improve yourself because you almost lost what you had...
So now at 20 you've grown and experienced so much. No, wait, now you're going to tell us you're 56 and have learned that monogamy is clearly the way. Name does not check.
Joe needs to lay off being a know it all. He has a good podcast but when he ventures beyond being a host and becomes a scientist, it does not look good on him.
Guys with high T are not consistently angrier. I don't know what amorousness has to do with this. Aggression? Depends on what you mean. They aren't more likely to beat kids if that's what you mean. Guys with higher T are often more structured and discplined.
Joe consistently seems to be “triggered” by certain words such as testosterone, DMT, Depression/Anti depressants, working out. Time and time again guests that offer an alternative opinion on these get shut down. Leading to an ego trip for Joe. Yet all he talks about is how bad “tribalism” can be and being over protective of ideas. Which is exactly what he does as soon as anything important to him is under scrutiny.
Joe loves to bring experts to his podcast and then argue with them... like you are a former martial artist doing stand up comedy... this is what this guy does for a living! Express your doubts but stop arguing with the man
sayvar44 Evrard Nve says Joe loves to bring experts in and argue with them. You’re a comedian, you should stick to comedy. I replied by simply calling out the hypocrisy. I’m using his logic against him. I’m not saying that anyone should shut up. It’s the exact opposite. I’m saying that if you believe you have to be an expert to have a valid opinion, then that makes your opinion void since you’re not an expert. Why should your opinion on how to run a podcast be valid IF you’re not a podcaster yourself? That seems to be his logic. His logic is: If you’re not an expert, you should shut up. I disagree. If someone has a point, that point should stand on its own merit, not by virtue of who it’s coming from or what pedigree the person propounding the point holds.
The theory is the best thing to come out of evolutionary psychology yet, solves some of the issues darwin had. Horses mess it up though, just like how peacocks gave darwin a head ache. You could argue that C.R. & Co researcher have contextual issues and are projecting a humanitarian bias into their work. But the core of what they did makes more sense than "baboons" or "swans" or dreaded S.T.I. evolved chastity or "jesus christ is my lord and saviour". Which is what all the counter theories claim. Sex research is woefully under funded, and it is woefully underfunded for a reason, our intire society is founded on monogamy, as is islamic and some subsaharan societies founded on polygamy. You simply just can't get young men to do all those dirty and dangerous jobs without the reward of socially acceptable sexual repoduction.
I picked up Sex At Dawn because I'd heard so many good things about it. I got about a couple of chapters in before I had to stop reading it. Full of stupid reasoning and bad science.
Young children aren't necessarily blank slates/defaults though. We pass things down to them, either through our behavior or perhaps even somewhat genetically. There was a study showing that scaring the shit out of mice with a certain image will produce fear in their offspring who've never seen that image, for example.
We got my dog at 2 months old, before that we rang up and requested the breeder keep him for us (we saw his picture on the website). She's said "oh that one's a menace, he bites all the other pups and has to have all the toys to himself" Idk but that sounds like jealousy to me. Im fairly sure jealousy is probably a biological urge
Christopher Nope. He got “mad” because he’s polygamous himself, and has embraced Ryan because Ryan’s book provides joe with an excuse to be the swinging scumbag he is. It’s that simple. Rogan has no problem throwing his “friends” under the bus at any given time, for any given reason on this podcast. He’s aggravated because HIS lifestyle is being challenged, and he loved that Ryan’s book gave him an excuse to be a scumbag. “It’s natural, man.”
I think that's normal for everyone once you tell someone that whatever they've been doing till now is wrong they find it hard to find new footing or agreeing with new information.
@@NoThankYouToo Nah, he didn't care when William spoke humans to be mostly monogamous. He only got defensive when William said men's testosterone drops when they get married and Joe takes TRT 😂
Joe loves to say that this person is my friend, such a narcissist, loves to think of his brain as an advanced organ that is a repository of massive amounts of info, turns out he is just a vlogger.
Are you joking? I’m pretty sure all our brains are exactly that, “an advanced organ that is a repository of massive amounts of info” maybe not yours though... slam...
He did... Joe is an epic interviewer and he simply called out the logical flaws in this guys thinking. Hes a scientist right? He should be looking at all perspectives, logically and without bias
Bigtombowski It depends. A lot of psychology is a science - it uses empirical studies to ascertain data. That's science. Weird social psychology that randomly makes up bullshit about "gender theory"? Not a science. Cognitive science that studies neuronal activity and how it corresponds to various perceptive domains? Science.
To be fair, the scientist is just Joe Rogan of his field. Joe is short on science, and the guest is short on reality. The truth is somewhere in the middle. They both are on the extreme opposite. Neither are correct.
@@WhoDatGuyJ probably because that realm is full of bullshit. Psychology = two right handed people did the same thing so, every right handed person will do it. It's gambling. Playing the best odds. Nothing more. You can't predict with it, only guess and apply statistics in Hope's of nailing the lottery number.
It makes total sense that your sexual testosterone lowers when you have children. They still have enough testosterone to go out and hunt and defend your family. But the drop in testosterone has its benefits for the way you treat your family and it decreases the chance of you going out and dying, leaving your family without a father.
Why is Joe so tied to this theory when it has been debunked dozens of times by highly credible people with academic credentials? Love Joe, but never criticize testosterone or marijuana on his podcast LOL!
I love his podcasts but Joe is definitely not as good of an interviewer as he used to be. He pushes his beliefs so hard on anybody that has a difference of opinion and he gets much more defensive than he used to.
I got married, had two sets of twin boys and my testosterone got really low like 299!!! Less than half of what it should have been for my age. I worked out 5 times a week stayed active but it still dropped. So I started some testosterone therapy........It wasn’t the best situation to be in!! Testosterone got back to normal levels and I couldn’t keep the women away......DEAD SERIOUS!!! This guy is right, not the best idea to be pumped full of test when in a monogamist relationship
Whether it's being led into battle, or examining the veracity of a scientific theory, I'll trust the guidance of someone named William Von Hippel over some douche named Chris Ryan.
This is proof that the more vocally "open-minded" someone is about a topic.....the more likely it is they just have a deep commitment to an unjustifiable idea
huh? all the scientific studies show non monsous people are happier healthier higher T less anxiety less depressed, and cheating rates are 50% (60% m3n 40% wom3n) so you dont know what your talking about
Joe 'I love testosterone and I'm a polyamory fetish' Rogaine. Now, I'm getting into my Porsche and driving home to my wife and three daughters. But poly is our natural bonobos state.
This dude is humble, which means he's open to new information and not married to his opinions. These qualities will continue building him as an apex leader in this field
"Sex at Dawn" is the cringe-worthy apology for infidelity, put up some made up evolutionary theory about primates, concoct it with some hippie fantasies and pour in the final ingredient of unaccountable political agenda about irresponsible behavior, and you get that saddle of a trip.
This is how people should discuss opinions . Identify the problem and reverse engineer it . Great podcasting , great scientific professionalism. Men move the world forward !
I like when Joe has nerds on the show. It reminds me when I used to have a buddy...masters from an ivy league school...I learned so much just spending time with him and talking about anything...everything.
19:57-20:02 made me spit out my coffee. I busted out laughing. jesus, have some confidence! I like that guy though, and definitely agree with the "physical sex vs emotional only".
Tough to have confidence when time and time again you observe the same behavior in bars, at parties etc...have women literally admit to you they see muscles or just a large dude and that's what they want.....
It feels like personal responsibilty is what divides Hippel and Ryan groupies. A farmer sows enough plants that he can handle. Another farmer comes along and admires the farmers plants. The first farmer asks if he may go see the other farmers plants. Second farmer says sure and they go to his plants. They're both pleased. They both have a few drinks and they go hunting. Now they live together... Wait what?
don't come at joe's beloved testosterone.
Lol I was about to say that. He takes like a personal attack.
Brian Jensen Your spot on, lmao...
Ahh, that gave me a good laugh, thanks for that m8 👍
Edit: I wish I could thumbs up your comment more than once 🤣
omg that shit is so funny!
But Joe's testosterone comes from wild yams.
started getting deja vu for him vs crowder on weed. no joke.
Say what you will about this guy, but he takes criticism well.
yep cant take it too personally
spinningchurro tell me more bruh
Real scientists usually are this way when they realise they've stated something unclearly or inaccurately. He's about real conversation/data and not pushing his opinion on others.
Pfenixfire08 : ok.
"Based on a survey of academic programs, US News & World Report ranked Saybrook's psychology program in the bottom quartile of its 2013 ranking of graduate psychology programs. The precise rankings in this quartile are not published. The United States National Research Council rankings (NRC) ranked Saybrook 173/174 out of 185 in its 2014 rankings of 185 psychology PhD programs."
It is a SHIT school which produces SHIT academics and Chris Ryan is full of SHIT.
spinningchurro triggered
This guy is extremely intelligent. He sucks up Joe's criticism with humility.
Keith Lamb how is he intelligent? Half of shit he kept saying are things that he can’t prove nor we have facts about it. No one know about sex life of hunter and gather, it’s not like they kept a journal/notes.
Micheal Pivovarov well you're right you could dispute his arguments as Joe does. His intelligence (from my point of view) comes from his linguistic skills and his ability to take on criticism.
Keith Lamb but how does ability to take on criticism is being intelligent?!?! Come on, I hope you aren’t one of those people that think is earth is flat. They (some) could take criticism well and be calm and try to prove you wrong but that insanity to think earth is flat.
Well intelligence at least its definition, I believe, is very subjective. If what he says, as you claim, can't be proven either way, why would you believe him not being able demonstrate 100% proof, on an unscientific podcast that lasts a couple of hours, as a measure of intelligence?
Keith Lamb Keith Lamb if I understood your question correctly, is because we don’t know history of earth past idk like 500 years. Yes we know what tribes/people lived where but they didn’t really leave any history nor dairy.We could only hypothesize based on bones/tools we find, but not how they lived/social status. He could be intelligent in some other subject/live experience, I don’t take that way from him because I don’t know that side of him, but based on this subject, it’s just illogical to put something that either he or I or anyone could really prove only if to make a time machine and actually interact with some tribe, which we can’t. And mainly not just go back in to the past but interact because just observing won’t allow u to get them completely, you need to add talking to them, understanding their beliefs, so much more. What I’m trying to say, for example, I completely don’t know you, all I see is your name, which could be made up/don’t know how you look/your age/where u live/male or not, but I would probably be able to hypothesize more about your life much more than what happened 1000 years ago as I live in the present as you. But I could only hypothesize, I can’t be for sure about any part of your life/lifestyle. So to say how someone lived 1000 or 5000 years ago is just irrational and illogical.
This guy has no ego, I like him.
@BLUE DOG OKAY BOOMER
@BLUE DOG damn the FBI is afraid of this guy making dried fruit.
It is impossible to rid yourself of ego.
This guy is a lecturer and course coordinator at my university, I can say with absolute confidence that he has an ego. Has a bad reputation as a thesis supervisor. Superb speaker though, his lecturers were excellent....how he ran the course, at least for my year and the year before that...not so great. I have heard it is much better run these days though.
Do you want some knee pads??
sex at dawn started to lose me when the authors insisted our ancestors were peaceful.
As "peaceful" as bonobos are, wich is farless far fetched than what the M.S.M. would have you believe about human nature.
Strawman counterargument.
The proposition in the book is that violence between humans is environmentally cultivated. We are, at baseline, peaceful.
BLUE DOG Christopher Ryan is a Marxist-socialist ?
@BLUE DOG ideological syphilis 😂😂😂
Yeah, that is crap.
This guy handles Joe's surliness like an absolute master. Well done indeed
It’s all about humility
That's a weird way to say silliness.
It is a new class in most American colleges. “How to handle Joe Rogans questions better than Bernie Sanders.”
You think he’s surly?
I’m
They should have checked Joe's testosterone levels during this segment, dude was spazzing out.
Joe Rogan assumes that everyone tested works a day job. And he's on testosterone.
He got DEFENSIVE. Also I wonder if weed consumption helps balance out the testosterone as a loving father. He always says he gets more loving. Me too.
Joe takes steroids, aka hormones.
Joe's testosterone is synthetic. It came from wild yams so he should stop being so defensive.
@@onlinenewsnetwork6876 Normally he looks like rosie o donnel.
Joe “I don’t have low testosterone” Rogan
El Marty it’s not low because joe gets testosterone injections from his doctor. True story. So the guy was right and joe still seems pisses about it lol
Kookman he definitely is and probably a lot of it comes from him having insecurity from being so short!
Joe “if your theory undermines polyamory, I’ll keep interrupting you” Rogan
BLUE DOG
War doesn't account for nearly as much as you think, and war wasn't even large enough to wipe out vast swathes of the population until civilization. This is hundreds of thousands of years ago when "war" consisted of about 10 dudes batting each other around.
Sexual selection is a much larger factor than war lol
@BLUE DOG 95% of those deaths were in the last 100 years
wtf are you talking about ya mong
@BLUE DOG where are you even pullin these numbers from? your ass?
@@lutze5086 bet he can pull a whole lot out of there. He's probably completely full of shit lol
@@smokingcrab2290 No, it's a way of saying "sexual jealousy is a corrosive and childish emotion based on low self esteem and insecurity". True love isn't about sexual enslavement via monogamy, it's about amoung many other things, trust and respect. That means allowing each other the freedom to express their sexuality however the fuck they like as long as it doesnt involve raping anyone or bareback anal sex with bisexual Hatian IV drug users.
Hell, even that last part is negotiable. As long as your partner knows about it, they can choose whether they want to take the risk of fucking you. The fact is that MOST people engage in polyamory to some extent. They just lie their asses off about it, which makes it a form of non consensual sexual behavior similar to sexual assault when in a nominally monogamous relationship.
For most (but not all) people, mongamy is a struggle against nature and biology.
Who usually wins that struggle - man or nature?
Joe “I’m a swinger, and I need justification” Rogan.
Swingers don't lie and cheat. Which is worse?
@@robr2303 People who lie and cheat. But no one's advocating for that so it's a shitty straw man.
@@jdg9999 most statistics converge on 50-70% of married people cheating at least once during their marriage, so it's not really a straw man
@@pcprinciple3774 Yeah that's a total lie lol
@@jdg9999 no it's statistical fact: www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/infidelitystats.html educate yourself
Joe really hates it when people call out pseudoscience on his show.
You mean, when someone mentions a proven scientific fact or likely true, widely supported scientific idea that goes against what he heard from one of his "basement genius" friends, he lashes out. But when his pals are saying the most outrageous unscientific, mumbojumbo things, he just "yeah, it is entirely possible".
kmdan well his arguments about the guests points were actually very good though, ofcourse he should be critical when the guest calls the book straight up bullshit
He discredited the guest’s argument with “there is not enough data”.
Said Joe, who had ufo believers, fake history believers etc, and brings up this argument in defense of a book which also has no data in the theme anyway for the same reasons.
I wouldn’t mind skepticism, but when you apply it just because you don’t feel like it is bs.
The guest was pretty cool though, and had a really cool way of admitting his personal ideas.
@@kmolnardaniel Well he responded to two specific "observed facts" that made the scientist draw a couple conclusions that could be totally wrong. You're right that he was very biased though ofcourse. I just kinda thought the fact that he could called them out was atleast somewhat clever.
Jakob Algeblad Yeah, you have a point completely!
Joe “im a biologist all the sudden” Rogan
NPD Girlfriend yOu and whoever else liked this comment are corny as shit
@@hebrewthought9976 triggered.
He is plugged into the matrix
Well he does read a lot and it’s not like he’s spouting random nonsense. I think people think that because he’s strong and in good shape he can’t possibly be smart. This dude literally made it his job to learn as much as he can and can usually hold a conversation with anyone he has in as a guest, and he has a very broad range of different guests often experts in their given field
The irony of Joe Rogan getting annoyed about his beloved testosterone is that, Joe Rogan will cite a single study to promote weed, cbd oil, DMT, ketogenic diets and all the things he loves. But, if you present him with a single study to challenge all the things he loves, then he gets really triggered.
Yeah one could tell he did not want to hear what he did.
Like every other human being in the world. It happens every time you attack someone's belief system.
yea, could you imagine the basis of your life being challenged?? You don't tell a priest, God doesn't exist, and not get an argument from him.
That's because he's a bald cretin
It’s called having a conversation, dimwit
Joe "doesn't know the difference between jealousy and envy" Rogan.
@BLUE DOG The conversation pushed the hypothetical that the woman chose to cheat. And if she chose to cheat on you, she was never really your bitch.
You were just renting.
If you guys never had another girl with your wife(gods threesome), you never lived.
But does count when they are hot af bro
Everyone's renting, behaviour isn't absolute.
BLUE DOG That's omega behaviour lol! Or whatever is below it, alphas live in "abundance".
Damn Joe got triggered lmao
"TEstosterone DOesN'T MakE Men BAD ARGHHHHHH!!!! PARENTS!!!!!! (war Yaulp)"
Timestamp?
Gene Scheel you can’t even spell and you call people “fcktards”.
He has a point tho
Gene Scheel You’re that dumb ass that joe talks about that thinks because he has a couple right wing people on from time to time that he must be right wing. Joe even said he partly has right wingers on so they can talk so much that they end up shooting themselves in the foot.
Married with kids and taking TRT, but argues that low T is caused by an unhealthy lifestyle.
It can b but it dose decrease as you age it's just silly to say it doesn't but when you're married you don't have to attract a mate so you no longer try to be as fit or attractive because you already have a mate it's simple
he's also nearly sixty.
John Smith He’s taking the dosage a younger male would produce naturally?? It’s prescribed
@@letsgotomarsman that's the point that the op is making... Joe is older, married with kids, and now has to supplement testosterone to have the level that he had when younger.... That supports everything this guest is saying,,, it's Joe that keeps going on about"no no, test is more a result of lifestyle"... Well sure that plays a part, but if that was the case he wouldn't need to supplement
He didn't have low testosterone for his age.
This is like the fourth time I’ve heard someone criticize Sex at Dawn.
I like how Bret Weinstein’s wife Heather called it a great book if you want to sound smart when convincing a girl to have a one night stand with you. Lol.
Look at the authors face it will all make sense...
Chris Ryan didn't have Good credentials, when he wrote it, and scientists who have done tons of research, were a bit insulted. That doesn't help it going in, as well as stating that polyamory, would be better for humans.
It's why Ryan doesn't ever debate anyone on his book's merits. It's a pretty far fetched thesis, especially within evolutionary biologists.
MG N
It is, Ryan even says it is. Whether it was or not, he had very poor credentials, and hadn't put the time in that most evolutionary biologists do. That's why they get so angry about it.
I think it has a fan base of cuckold's
Envy isn't jealousy Joe.
dimman77 BINGO!
Rogan subtly kept flexing his traps until his guest changed his mind
Hahhahaha
Loool
LMAO
Hahahahaha laughed out loud at this
And beating his teeth periodically
He's not the only one to criticise Sex at Dawn. Bret Weinstein's impression was that Chris Ryan was cherry-picking data and if I had to trust one of them it would be Bret.
Yea Chris Ryan just seems like a sleaze bag trying to justify his cheating to his gf
Yeah Brett who ran a communist school until they turned on him
@@UsernamerAlreadyTakn Ran a communist school? I didn't know professors had such power.
@@AM-qw8zd God, I always sort of got the same impression. Guy doesn't smell legit to me.
'Sex at dusk' is a critique of the book, basically shows how he cherry-picked the data.
I’m a single dude, no horse in the race, but having listened to Chris Ryan, his fans, and Hippel here, Hippel is far more persuasive.
Christian Ryan sounds like a dude who makes up stories to impress women.
@@Monscent 100%. He seems like a complete fraud.
Kaelin Mbalo He is. He’s about as low as it gets.
Yeah I liked that book when it came out but then I listened to a bunch of Chris Ryan podcasts and felt something was wrong.
Chris has just got a huge ego. He's always talking about all the "beautiful" women he's slept with. He's always trying to impress
I love how diplomatic this guy is when he disagrees. All conversations should be like this.
Joe gets defensive over guy saying his testosterone lowers after marriage. Joe takes testosterone injections because his is low 🤦🏽♀️
I don't think you understand TRT. Older men use it to bring there test levels back to where they where when they where young. It doesn't mean his levels arnt normal for a guy his age.
@@SP-xk6bl Why are you doing so much damage control?
@@ieatvirgins I thought when someone had a bad take your supposed to correct them with the proper info. Was I wrong?
@@ieatvirgins lol bravo
@@SP-xk6bl but having a declining test level with age still backs Hippel's point of view. He was never suggesting they were test deficient just that their test levels were higher when they were single and looking to mingle and lowered when they were attached and waiting for death. There's still a natural progression.
Sure seems like Joe has a personal interest in normalizing polyamory
How was Atlantis?
@BLUE DOG And what's wrong with that?
@@KaninTuzi almost everything
@bittercottoncandy 😂
@bittercottoncandy fucked over hundred people. Mostly girls. Never used a condom. No diseases.
Hey Joe, it's called a hypothesis. Can't have data until it's gathered, but you can still use what you do have to make a hypothesis based on general logic.
Joe "are you suggesting my Testosterone is low??" Rogan
Joe may have masculinity issues
@julio1c1saga I just thought he got real defensive and disrespectful for no good reason. Only because he felt threatened about the notion about males who have offspring to have less testosterone, but wow you must be a psychic psychologist to be able to read a person after reading one sentence from them.
julio1c1saga
Meh 😒 ... you are spouting a lot of “bro science” , a common feature found in many regular JR Podcast listeners .
If you want facts , try this on for size : Testosterone deficiency is exceedingly less common than marketing campaigns and "The Joe Rogan Podcast" culture would have us believe.
Low testosterone-known as hypogonadism or hypotestosteronemia-is real for a very slim percentage of men.
For the rest of us , Testosterone levels fall by only 1 to 2 percent a year after age 40, regardless of lifestyle .
The guest is more on point here with what the studies ACTUALLY show .
Rogan is merely spreading his “bro science” silliness , and simultaneously justifying his steroid use .
julio1c1saga
You're spouting a lot of pseudo intellectual gibberish and you actually think it makes you sound smart lol
Ya think...??? 😏
@@garyvlahos635 While Joe got defensive here and is wrong, you used this one thing to discredit everything about his and his audience. You really are frustrated lol.
joe is out here flying in a scientist to stop himself feeling guilty about wanting to sleep with his wifes friends lmao
Well hes already fucking his female opener, you see brendan goof on his podcast? And the girl got called out and ripped for it on Tony Hinchcliffs Kill Tony podcast
Luke Robinson got any links? When did this happen?
@@blickluke did they seriously call her out on kill Tony or did they do it as a joke and you misinterpreted it because you want your "joe is a cheater" theory to be true?
omg lol I was thinking the same exact thing.
@Telios Abraxas Ali Macofsky.
Joe got mad because he implies joe has low testastarone.
Joe is always mad.
Joe “wish I was a bonobo” Rogan
Jose F Badilla S He IS a bonobo in practice. That’s what this is all about.
The guy is a swinger, and desperately wants an excuse based on science.
I am wheezing 😂😂😂😂
He is, he slangs puss according to Brandon
I feel like that should be a beach boys songs.
"Wish I was a bonobo. Fucking hos left and right on cocomo."
This man is one of the most intelligent people I have ever heard speak. Sir, your educational level is amazing; your hard work has paid off.
You talking about Joe Rogan? Hahahahaha
by saying he doesnt know if humans are mongomous are not and relasizing they are maybe pair bonding temprary but not monogomous lol
If this guy had also criticized Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson's theories it would push Joe over the edge and we would have seen a JRE first. Joe getting out of his chair and hitting his guest with a spinning back kick.
Monogamy is for children. If you want a strong society, you need fathers who are fully invested in raising their own children.
If you want a broken ghetto, get people sleeping around and not taking care of their children.
@Wucci Mane In nearly every case children are better off raised by both biological parents, so monogamy is for the sake of children and a more stable society in the future for everyone. Families are the foundation and backbone of society, broken families create a broken society.
A. Steven Stelmach-Bondar truth.
I agree, for this unnatural society, but in tribal times would it be the same?
@@0xstev3 Yes in tribal times it's even more important, if you want to build a community for your tribe that is.
Huwite How is it more important to segregate into 2 person families in a tribe? The tribe is the community.
Glad to see everyone is calling Joe out here. I know he says he doesn’t care about comments yada yada but I wonder if he looks back at how he treats certain guests, and the comments would back up his concerns.
This guy takes his ridiculous aggression so well that it made Joe look like a child.
I think also part of his problem is he goes into a lot of these interviews somewhat smashed.
Jealous is one of the most misused words in American English today. You are jealous of things that are yours, you don't want others to have them. You envy things that others have, you want them. People usually say they are "jealous" when they should say envious. "Oh my god you got the new iPhone, I'm so jealous!" Nope, that's envy, not jealousy...
ZombieWilfred Excellent point!!
Envy is motivating, jealousy is depressing. Idk if your explanation is the actual definitions but I really like your differentiation between the terms
@@nGUNNARp Well those used to be the actual definitions of the terms, I think that now it depends on where you look up the definitions. Some sources will consider them to be synonyms. But, if you think about it either one can be motivating or depressing. Envy of someone else's success can motivate you to go out and achieve success of your own, but it can also make you depressed that you don't have the same opportunities that the other person has. Conversely being jealous can cause you to drive someone away that you are trying to hang on to, which could cause depression as a result, but it could also cause you to be more able to protect someone or something from a real threat that turns up or to improve yourself because you almost lost what you had...
Don’t expect joe to know what he’s talking about
I'll try to remember that.
Sex at Dawn is a book that reflects my mindset when I was 16. Back then, I was 8X more of an idiot than I am now.
Lol, me too.
So now at 20 you've grown and experienced so much. No, wait, now you're going to tell us you're 56 and have learned that monogamy is clearly the way. Name does not check.
@@00dfm00 triggered?🤣🤣😂
Lol
I don't think I've ever related more to a UA-cam comment... hit the nail on the head.
Joe is too passionate about his own life style to talk about generalized studies
Joe "the problem I'm having" Rogan
Joe needs to lay off being a know it all. He has a good podcast but when he ventures beyond being a host and becomes a scientist, it does not look good on him.
Haha you must be new here.
trust me if he just sat there and didn't challenge anything people would find it more boring, he had some solid points as well.
Guys with higher T are angrier, more 'amorous' more aggressive but that leads to better parenting? No way.
Yes way. Unless you long for weak children.
@@In-Marty-We-Trust Please elaborate, how can a less angry, less aggressive father lead too weak children?
Guys with high T are not consistently angrier.
I don't know what amorousness has to do with this.
Aggression? Depends on what you mean. They aren't more likely to beat kids if that's what you mean.
Guys with higher T are often more structured and discplined.
Joe consistently seems to be “triggered” by certain words such as testosterone, DMT, Depression/Anti depressants, working out. Time and time again guests that offer an alternative opinion on these get shut down. Leading to an ego trip for Joe. Yet all he talks about is how bad “tribalism” can be and being over protective of ideas. Which is exactly what he does as soon as anything important to him is under scrutiny.
And marijuana
Remember when one of his guests said he didn't like smoking weed, and didn't think it should be legalized and he called him a "fuck face"?
Joe"just keep interrupting them till their forced to change the subject" Rogan
Joe loves to bring experts to his podcast and then argue with them... like you are a former martial artist doing stand up comedy... this is what this guy does for a living! Express your doubts but stop arguing with the man
Ahahahhaa I love his podcasts but yes i do think that is hilarious at times
Kind of like how you’re just a UA-cam commentor trying to tell someone how to run their podcast?
@@TimeGallon gottem
sayvar44 I couldn’t care less what you do. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy when I see it.
Maybe try comprehending what you read before responding.
sayvar44
Evrard Nve says Joe loves to bring experts in and argue with them. You’re a comedian, you should stick to comedy.
I replied by simply calling out the hypocrisy. I’m using his logic against him. I’m not saying that anyone should shut up. It’s the exact opposite. I’m saying that if you believe you have to be an expert to have a valid opinion, then that makes your opinion void since you’re not an expert.
Why should your opinion on how to run a podcast be valid IF you’re not a podcaster yourself? That seems to be his logic. His logic is: If you’re not an expert, you should shut up.
I disagree. If someone has a point, that point should stand on its own merit, not by virtue of who it’s coming from or what pedigree the person propounding the point holds.
Joe "don't ever talk about my trt like that" Rogan.
Joe "we're talking about testosterone, so let me stop you right there" Rogan
joe had a couple extra ccs today lol.
He made sure to go get an extra shot after this interview
Adam Barker He’s taking the dosage a younger male would produce naturally?? It’s prescribed
@@letsgotomarsman i know, it's a joke.
@@letsgotomarsman how can I look into this?
What is ccs?
He’s almost certainly correct, sex at dawn is crap
The theory is the best thing to come out of evolutionary psychology yet, solves some of the issues darwin had. Horses mess it up though, just like how peacocks gave darwin a head ache. You could argue that C.R. & Co researcher have contextual issues and are projecting a humanitarian bias into their work. But the core of what they did makes more sense than "baboons" or "swans" or dreaded S.T.I. evolved chastity or "jesus christ is my lord and saviour". Which is what all the counter theories claim. Sex research is woefully under funded, and it is woefully underfunded for a reason, our intire society is founded on monogamy, as is islamic and some subsaharan societies founded on polygamy. You simply just can't get young men to do all those dirty and dangerous jobs without the reward of socially acceptable sexual repoduction.
I picked up Sex At Dawn because I'd heard so many good things about it. I got about a couple of chapters in before I had to stop reading it. Full of stupid reasoning and bad science.
@sayvar44 Haha
Any scientist that thinks jealousy and envy is a learned behavior has never spent any time around young children.
Young children aren't necessarily blank slates/defaults though. We pass things down to them, either through our behavior or perhaps even somewhat genetically. There was a study showing that scaring the shit out of mice with a certain image will produce fear in their offspring who've never seen that image, for example.
yeah exactly, they are brutally evil.
@@0xstev3 inherited PTSD. Some say this is a driving factor with regard to the instability in the Middle East. i.e. Israeli aggression
Kids are sponges
We got my dog at 2 months old, before that we rang up and requested the breeder keep him for us (we saw his picture on the website).
She's said "oh that one's a menace, he bites all the other pups and has to have all the toys to himself"
Idk but that sounds like jealousy to me. Im fairly sure jealousy is probably a biological urge
Joe "this doesn't fit my narrative, don't say that" Rogan
Lol Joe felt personally attacked because he's a married dad that does TRT and his friend's book got criticised.
Christopher Nope. He got “mad” because he’s polygamous himself, and has embraced Ryan because Ryan’s book provides joe with an excuse to be the swinging scumbag he is.
It’s that simple.
Rogan has no problem throwing his “friends” under the bus at any given time, for any given reason on this podcast.
He’s aggravated because HIS lifestyle is being challenged, and he loved that Ryan’s book gave him an excuse to be a scumbag.
“It’s natural, man.”
I think that's normal for everyone once you tell someone that whatever they've been doing till now is wrong they find it hard to find new footing or agreeing with new information.
@@NoThankYouToo Nah, he didn't care when William spoke humans to be mostly monogamous. He only got defensive when William said men's testosterone drops when they get married and Joe takes TRT 😂
Joe loves to say that this person is my friend, such a narcissist, loves to think of his brain as an advanced organ that is a repository of massive amounts of info, turns out he is just a vlogger.
Are you joking? I’m pretty sure all our brains are exactly that, “an advanced organ that is a repository of massive amounts of info” maybe not yours though... slam...
Finally someone on JRE calls out Christopher Ryan's bullshit.
Bruh, this guys patience with Joe's interrupting is commendable.
Joe, it's not a competition in these podcats to be right. It's okay to admit something you said was off because you're not an expert in that field.
Joe “are you suggesting my testosterone is low?” Rogan
Joe "I can go toe to toe with a Scientist" Rogan
He did... Joe is an epic interviewer and he simply called out the logical flaws in this guys thinking. Hes a scientist right? He should be looking at all perspectives, logically and without bias
@Bigtombowski most people aren't educated enough to be able to tell whats what in the realm of psychology.
Bigtombowski
It depends. A lot of psychology is a science - it uses empirical studies to ascertain data. That's science.
Weird social psychology that randomly makes up bullshit about "gender theory"? Not a science.
Cognitive science that studies neuronal activity and how it corresponds to various perceptive domains? Science.
To be fair, the scientist is just Joe Rogan of his field.
Joe is short on science, and the guest is short on reality.
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
They both are on the extreme opposite. Neither are correct.
@@WhoDatGuyJ probably because that realm is full of bullshit.
Psychology = two right handed people did the same thing so, every right handed person will do it.
It's gambling. Playing the best odds. Nothing more. You can't predict with it, only guess and apply statistics in Hope's of nailing the lottery number.
Joe "Can I Stop You There?" Rogan
Joe “a friend of mine” Rogan
Joe "Bonobos" Rogan
It makes total sense that your sexual testosterone lowers when you have children. They still have enough testosterone to go out and hunt and defend your family. But the drop in testosterone has its benefits for the way you treat your family and it decreases the chance of you going out and dying, leaving your family without a father.
Joe clearly has a dog in this fight. He's clearly invested in the idea of polyamory.
because he's lied to fans about it for years and helped them to make terrible decisions and ruin their relationships
Polyamory is the best comprimise of fidelity & promiscuity
@@xoqvuz
Perhaps for some among contemporary industrialized 'Western' countries, for starters, sure. Mr. Rogan's being too weird about it here though.
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Don't get it
I suspect Joe is into polyamory
Why is Joe so tied to this theory when it has been debunked dozens of times by highly credible people with academic credentials? Love Joe, but never criticize testosterone or marijuana on his podcast LOL!
4:42 - 4:53 I've never heard a more perfect exchange of conversation between two periods. I wish everybody could think and speak this way.
Joe "the studies are wrong" Rogan
Joe: You shouldn't draw conclusions without much data.
Also Joe: Draws conclusions with even less data.
I like how Joe completely caught the guy off guard by pointing out valid flaws in the data collection, all in defense of his own testosterone levels.
I’m a cereal monogamist.
I only eat Count Chocula.
Joe “Wash the last guy out” Rogan
I love his podcasts but Joe is definitely not as good of an interviewer as he used to be. He pushes his beliefs so hard on anybody that has a difference of opinion and he gets much more defensive than he used to.
I got married, had two sets of twin boys and my testosterone got really low like 299!!! Less than half of what it should have been for my age. I worked out 5 times a week stayed active but it still dropped. So I started some testosterone therapy........It wasn’t the best situation to be in!! Testosterone got back to normal levels and I couldn’t keep the women away......DEAD SERIOUS!!! This guy is right, not the best idea to be pumped full of test when in a monogamist relationship
Whether it's being led into battle, or examining the veracity of a scientific theory, I'll trust the guidance of someone named William Von Hippel over some douche named Chris Ryan.
This is proof that the more vocally "open-minded" someone is about a topic.....the more likely it is they just have a deep commitment to an unjustifiable idea
huh? all the scientific studies show non monsous people are happier healthier higher T less anxiety less depressed, and cheating rates are 50% (60% m3n 40% wom3n) so you dont know what your talking about
What a well spoken man. I really enjoyed Williams energy. He did a wonderful job even when joe can get a little intense.
🧡💛💚💙 why is Joe arguing with the head transplant doctor from Metal Gear Solid 5 phantom pain 🧡💛💚💙
LMAO!!!
I totally agree with the dude over Rogan ....🤷♂️
Joe 'I love testosterone and I'm a polyamory fetish' Rogaine. Now, I'm getting into my Porsche and driving home to my wife and three daughters. But poly is our natural bonobos state.
Ah, this is one of those episodes where Joe randomly decides to be argumentative instead of just saying wow.
@13:01 "there's no data" You mean other than the study that he cited? lol
This dude is humble, which means he's open to new information and not married to his opinions. These qualities will continue building him as an apex leader in this field
It's a theory Joe, jesus christ. That was established after the first point of criticism.
Really love finding people who can argue points as detailed as I'd like to learn confidently.
I wonder how many times Joes cheated on his wife lol
"Sex at Dawn" is the cringe-worthy apology for infidelity, put up some made up evolutionary theory about primates, concoct it with some hippie fantasies and pour in the final ingredient of unaccountable political agenda about irresponsible behavior, and you get that saddle of a trip.
This guy managed joe’s heavy push brilliantly...congrats...!👍
I really respect this man character. Avoided every pit fall these arguments trigger interpersonally.
Whoa, it almost sounds like men and women evolved with different roles, and might be different than each other...
“You’re testosterone goes down when you are in a relationship and have kids”
Joe in his head “NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!”
Joe "what about bonobos?" Rogan
This is how people should discuss opinions . Identify the problem and reverse engineer it . Great podcasting , great scientific professionalism. Men move the world forward !
I'm glad someone is pushing back on Chris Ryan's degenerate BS.
I like when Joe has nerds on the show. It reminds me when I used to have a buddy...masters from an ivy league school...I learned so much just spending time with him and talking about anything...everything.
19:57-20:02 made me spit out my coffee. I busted out laughing. jesus, have some confidence! I like that guy though, and definitely agree with the "physical sex vs emotional only".
Tough to have confidence when time and time again you observe the same behavior in bars, at parties etc...have women literally admit to you they see muscles or just a large dude and that's what they want.....
It feels like personal responsibilty is what divides Hippel and Ryan groupies. A farmer sows enough plants that he can handle. Another farmer comes along and admires the farmers plants. The first farmer asks if he may go see the other farmers plants. Second farmer says sure and they go to his plants. They're both pleased. They both have a few drinks and they go hunting. Now they live together... Wait what?
The real question is what would hunter gather's testosterone be on DMT?
Honestly I would love to see William Von Hippel and Chris Ryan chat about this stuff. I could listen to that for ages.
Dam Joe, let the guy talk already.
"You're the best croaker, you're the dad." I'm going to make my wife say that in my rookery. 😆
Joe "I let other men sleep with my wife" Rogan
It’s difficult for Joe to accept we are largely a monogamous species.