Hey Sara Nightfire. When I saw your remark about Popping the Shank, I immediately thought that that would be a good name for a horse. AND HERE COMES "POPPING THE SHANK."
RIP BOLD RULER, YOUR WERE A GREAT STALLION AND A TALENTED RUNNER, AND YOU GAVE US A BEAUTIFUL GIFT, YOUR SON SECRETARIAT AND YOUR GRANDAUGHTER RUFFIAN. RIP IN THE BEAUTIFUL HEAVENS.
Easier to maintain, BLACK. Are you kidding me!! It gets BLISTERING HOT THERE STARTING EARLY ON, AND STAYS THAT WAY FOR SEVERAL MONTHS ON END, AND BLACK ATTRACTS HEAT VERY QUICKL Y. ........ ALSO....... WHITE LOOKS BETTER AND STAYS COOL, AND DOESN'T BLISTER LIKE THE BLACK. YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO TOUCH THE BLACK PAINTED WOOD. IT'S TOO DAMN HOT. THE WHITE IS EASIER TO MAINTAIN HANDS DOWN.
Un dia voy a visitar a claiborne farm para conocer a ese hermoso sitio, llevar un ramo de rosas a secretariat y llorarlo un poco, porq todavia duele su partida
The reason the guy keeps on popping the shank is because a lot of stallions when it comes to breeding are aggressive. Alydar who a lot of people said was one of the sweetest horses on the track became a holy terror when he was retired and would throw random fits in his stall until people would give him carrots and attention. You're talking about a bunch of tourists who come here from all walks of life who might have seen a few clips of a few races or had a daughter who rode a horse once in a while with a bunch of stallions who spend most of their lives being bred and encouraged to be aggressive so the traits can be hopefully passed on to their children for better runners. I'm not saying all horses and people are like this, but my dad in one stable jammed his thumb through the bars of one stall and allowed a horse to lip it without watching when the horse was going to bite that thumb off. I have seen other people act the same way around horses, especially studs. These are animals who are having a bunch of people crowd around them every day to get their picture taken and be filmed. If one gets too close or does something stupid, they'll get sued for millions of dollars because the horse does something that they instinctively do. The treats are for distracting it from all the people who are around them and trying to keep the horse from reacting from a tourist doing something they shouldn't. The problem is that the studs get used to the treats and get mouthy as all horses do when they know treats are involved. The pops in the chain is protecting the handlers hands from being bitten every day by studs who deal with this and get treats to keep him distracted. If you want to really see how bad some stallions can be, google Hastings: Man O War's grandsire who had such a vicious temperament that they carried around big fat sticks near him to protect themselves from his teeth. Personal Flag had such a vicious reputation he was nearly sold even though he was one of the best sires at the time and they had two grooms carrying baseball bats with them to keep him in line. Another stallion in Monty Roberts's book had ten foot stave poles to keep the grooms safe from the stallion during breeding time. These horses aren't pets and can cause a ton of damage if not handled properly.
Sara Nightfire There's also other horses who have bitten off people's thumbs, killed tourists, handlers and people just walking by their territory, and maimed others. These horses aren't pets and some will charge people if given the chance and opportunity. Some also look like angels until you get close enough. One woman was standing on the fence on the other side of the pasture with a groom handling the stallion on the other end. The stallion saw her and charged, the barn manager saved her just in time from being attacked by the stallion.
I have to agree with just about everything you have said. It irritates me when people will call things 'abuse' when a lot of times it's not even abusive and the handler isn't even pulling on the chain as hard as people think they are. Now I'm not saying that some people aren't abusive and use the chains when they're not really necessary but a lot of times the chains are actually needed. Now I am not the biggest fan of chains on horses and would prefer they not be used if possible but I can understand where they are sometimes sadly necessary. Another example of an aggressive stallion would be War Relic, he was said to have a vicious temper too and it was said that he had even killed a groom. Sometimes it's not just stallions though because some mares can be quite aggressive too and pass it down to their offspring. Cinderella (Hastings' dam) was said to be ill-tempered and difficult to handle, so his vicious, temperamental, and aggressive attitude was very likely inherited from his dam. There are a lot of people who really don't understand just how dangerous horses in general (which can weigh up to a thousand something pounds) can really be and like you put it, they can and will cause a lot of damage if not handled the right way. It might be a different story though if the stallion wasn't just used as a breeding machine but an animal with needs and instincts and allowed to be with some of his own kind and not just in his own pasture with 'neighbors' next to him but due to a stallion's value and for money and insurance reasons, I know they wouldn't want to risk any injuries but some stallions are just naturally inclined to be aggressive to begin with. For anyone who might likely see my comment, understand that it is not meant to offend, these are just my own personal thoughts and opinions, nothing more. You do not have to agree with them but please be civil about it.
I’m a avid rider and compete in hunter/jumper. Been at it since I was 7 I’ll be 58 this year. My Grandfather worked the windows at Arlington Park he retired in 1970. His dream was to go fishing but heard whispers about a horse named Secretariat. My late Grandfather took me to see the Kentucky Derby, Preakness and Belmont Stakes. I still get goose bumps thinking about this spectacular time. When I laid eyes on Secretariat I had to keep looking up. When Secretariat won the Triple Crown I turned 12 my Grandfather said "This happens but once in a lifetime kid" I’ll cherish my ride up to your farm with my Mom and Grandpa. I still have my blown up picture of Big Red💙 Thank you all for being so professional and kind. By the way my Grandfather bet more than his home and won Big💙on Big Red💙
Stallions aren’t backyard pets, these horses are encouraged to be aggressive and a lot of these horses will take a chunk out of you if they have the chance. The handlers are protecting themselves from being bitten and keeping their fingers. Note the guy said he could be petted, but nowhere near his face where horses can bite.
I was at the farm and I am a horse owner myself. The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
I'm under the impression that some horses don't always generate the same revenue as what it coast to purchase them. like for example the gentleman mentioned paying 750k for a yearling. I'd be very surprised if he actually returned that sum back to his purchase
As with almost all things, people don't know what they don't know! And it's always people who have no idea that want to tell those that do, how to do it.
Sawle cave Calumet their first Kentucky Derby bred win. He won the Preakness but died of a heart attack 1 day after the Preakness. Who knows, could he have been a triple crown winner.
A win is a win. He was the only horse to ever succeed in holding off the likes of Zenyatta. Kudos to Blame for that accomplishment - and for running a great race 🎉 He had an excellent career, really coming into his own at age 4 and won that year’s Eclipse award for best Older Male. Blame ran 13 races, winning 9. He never finished out of the money.
To keep the horse distracted. These are studs around mares. I would also like to add the horse doesn't care. Watch his body language. He's clearly not fazed by the stud chain. Please educate yourself. Thanks
Megan Proffitt The horse was sanding there just fine he didn't need to yank on his face. And also yanking on his nose with a chain does not distract him it hurts him so he stays calm! Please educate yourself. Thanks
Let me tell you what Sara Nightfire said: "The reason the guy keeps on popping the shank is because a lot of stallions when it comes to breeding are aggressive. Alydar who a lot of people said was one of the sweetest horses on the track became a holy terror when he was retired and would throw random fits in his stall until people would give him carrots and attention. You're talking about a bunch of tourists who come here from all walks of life who might have seen a few clips of a few races or had a daughter who rode a horse once in a while with a bunch of stallions who spend most of their lives being bred and encouraged to be aggressive so the traits can be hopefully passed on to their children for better runners. I'm not saying all horses and people are like this, but my dad in one stable jammed his thumb through the bars of one stall and allowed a horse to lip it without watching when the horse was going to bite that thumb off. I have seen other people act the same way around horses, especially studs. These are animals who are having a bunch of people crowd around them every day to get their picture taken and be filmed. If one gets too close or does something stupid, they'll get sued for millions of dollars because the horse does something that they instinctively do. The treats are for distracting it from all the people who are around them and trying to keep the horse from reacting from a tourist doing something they shouldn't. The problem is that the studs get used to the treats and get mouthy as all horses do when they know treats are involved. The pops in the chain is protecting the handlers hands from being bitten every day by studs who deal with this and get treats to keep him distracted. If you want to really see how bad some stallions can be, google Hastings: Man O War's grandsire who had such a vicious temperament that they carried around big fat sticks near him to protect themselves from his teeth. Personal Flag had such a vicious reputation he was nearly sold even though he was one of the best sires at the time and they had two grooms carrying baseball bats with them to keep him in line. Another stallion in Monty Roberts's book had ten foot stave poles to keep the grooms safe from the stallion during breeding time. These horses aren't pets and can cause a ton of damage if not handled properly." Again, please go educate yourself. :)
Megan Proffitt I know that some studs can be aggressive but not all of them are so don't think every stallion is a monster. Also having sticks or baseball bats is extreme, if you have a stallion that is so badly behaved you have to beat them then people should not even own or breed their stallions. And beating a horse is not being handled properly. If the people created a monster they should take the time to train them, because it is never the horses fault for what we have done to them. One of my mare was aggressive before, she would bite, kick, rear, push because no one took care of her for years but since I started working with her she is fine now (and I never used abusive methods).
Blond Brain I don't think stallions are monsters. I'm just making a failed attempt at educating you. Obviously you own a mare, so you must know everything about stallions though, right?
I can OBVIOUSLY SEE THAT BLAME AND THE HORSE BEFORE HIM, WANT HIM TO STOP YANKING ON THAT LEAD. THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT LIKE IT THEMSELVES, AND THEY WANT HIM TO STOP IT.
If you want to try to handle one of these studs without a chain or popping the chain. Be my guest. Just don’t blame the horse when you lose fingers or get your arm ripped out of it’s socket.
The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
I wish Claiborne exercised its stallions. They always look fat and out of shape to me. I believe that Secretariat's overweight state contributed to the laminitis that ended his life at age 19.
It did. The great Man O' War was exercised under saddle most of his retirement. That's probably why he lived to age 30. There's no excuse for not riding these stallions. It gives them something to do after breding season, and keeps them healthy.
I agree. In fact, on Fbook a few yrs ago, I was commenting and a woman who lives in the area and was involved with horses herself, said Claiborne tended to let their horses gain more weight than others. Also Secretariat from the beginning had a huge appetite. After one of his early races, that night around 10:00 pm it was all quiet and peaceful, except you could hear this munching and crunching sound. It was the young Secretariat, still hungry. It's too bad.
I've always thought that Secretariat should have been ridden, even raced after 1973. Not necessarily in official races as he got older, but just to let him really run, as he was born to do. I wish at least he would have raced as a 4 year old, but maybe, even for him, it is best to go out on top.
Secretariat was never fat, and he ran all the time in his pasture. Every racehorse is going to gain some weight because you're never going to exercise your racehorse in retirement nearly as much as when he was competing. I also doubt his weight had anything to do with laminitis. It's often caused by repeated trauma to the horses feet, or over trimming.
The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
Quite frankly, I personally find it very annoying to constantly keep seeing him yanking on that lead or reins, so if it is that annoying to me, I'm sure the horse must find it even more annoying, and I certainly wouldn't be doing that to the horse. I wouldn't be taking any chances of I were him, but if he does get bitten, or have something else happen to him, oh well, I guess he should have had better common sense.
Appears you know nothing of horses. Especially the high strung ones. The pulling on the leac us to keep the horses attention. Yes even some geldings ard nasty. I had a couple of horse you had to keep their attention by jingling the lead. This is not cruel. These are senive, spirited horse. Thoroughbreds are not for novices. They require a knowledgable horse person. You have a 1200 lb animal that thinks for itself. Youlearn how to handle then, or get hurt.
Bullshit. There is no reason to jerk the stud chains on these stallions - every single one was standing and behaving calmly and kindly, which for a breeding stud, is quite unusual. And I am a horse owner as well.
The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
@fullstrutn horses may seem big, but it doesn't mean it's alright to wack it with a whip, and yank it's jaw. There's been serious injuries with this sort of stuff. As an equestrian myself, I've experienced it.
Rachel Winterfield They're not saying it's right to wack a horse or yank their jaw. What they're saying is horses need boundaries. If horse's aren't given boundaries then they can become dangerous.
EdgeCreekStables These stallions are actually allowed to be aggressive because they allow the traits for a better racehorse. The problem is that the grooms have to handle these horses every day and can really get a chunk torn out of them when they want to, even if it's just play or for treats. The guy is giving him mints to keep him distracted and keep him from acting too aggressive around the crowds. This makes a horse mouthy for treats and will easily bite a handler for one. There have been studs who grooms carry around a big stick in sight of the stallion. Hastings, Man O War's grandsire is famous for having that set up because he had been too vicious to handle otherwise. Others use ten foot poles with hooks on either side of the halter for horses who attack grooms during mating. These horses can do a lot of damage without the proper handling, It might seem wrong, but sometimes it's the only thing that can really protect them from really getting hurt, especially in front of crowds like this one where they think the pretty horse is a sweetie pie who wouldn't hurt a fly.
as a horse person i find the handlers actions irresponsible. he is shanking on those horses for no reason, and in fact teaching them to ignore the chain when it is used. he shanks repeatedly for no reason whatsoever, and i wouldnt blame a single one of those horses for putting him against a wall or kicking him. that is not horsemanship and he has no business working with those horses.
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY STONED!! For starters Claiborne Farms would not tolerate even the most minuscule amount of abuse to ANY of their horses, Stallions or Mares !!! He knows these horses better than anyone he practically lives with them, and he also knows if he doesn't pop that chain that he will be bitten, research before you comment!!
Dude if i could crawl threw my phone and smack you i would. You don't need to keep yanking the chain they are just standing there.I no they are Stallions but they are not doing Anything wrong..
Face shy. ? New one on me. Colts are mouthy, then they become stallions. I dare you to walk into any one of the stalls, put a shank on one of the stud's, pull him out, make him pose, and not get bit. Good luck.
Jacquie Morris The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
+megan proffitt MINTS? I thought that was a British thing. When Chrome was there in UK the beginning of year, they fed him a Mint.....he spat it out. I assume they get used to them though. There's different carrot treats and carrot cookies they also feed. One of the horses in my barn LOVES those fire balls. Absolutely loves them and rolls it back and forth in his mouth. LOL These stallions are so used to getting handled and were also raced before starting their breeding careers. They can get fresh but most are well behaved.....until provoked.
Been there. Love the thoroughbreds. Intelligence, & beauty.
Hey Sara Nightfire.
When I saw your remark about Popping the Shank, I immediately thought that that would be a good name for a horse.
AND HERE COMES "POPPING THE SHANK."
Beautiful beautiful horses
RIP BOLD RULER, YOUR WERE A GREAT STALLION AND A TALENTED RUNNER, AND YOU GAVE US A BEAUTIFUL GIFT, YOUR SON SECRETARIAT AND YOUR GRANDAUGHTER RUFFIAN. RIP IN THE BEAUTIFUL HEAVENS.
And now those descendants are running in heaven with him.
Very nice video. I visited the farm in 1989, but I never had video of my visit, only still pictures.
Very nice video, I hope to get to Claiborne one day for a tour
Blames color in the sun is beautiful
I passed Claiborne's entrance but never stopped, unfortunately. Wish I had visited their impressive stallions.
Those black fences look much better than when they were white. Easier to maintain too.
Easier to maintain, BLACK. Are you kidding me!! It gets BLISTERING HOT THERE STARTING EARLY ON, AND STAYS THAT WAY FOR SEVERAL MONTHS ON END, AND BLACK ATTRACTS HEAT VERY QUICKL Y.
........ ALSO.......
WHITE LOOKS BETTER AND STAYS COOL, AND DOESN'T BLISTER LIKE THE BLACK.
YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO TOUCH THE BLACK PAINTED WOOD. IT'S TOO DAMN HOT.
THE WHITE IS EASIER TO MAINTAIN HANDS DOWN.
7:33 RIP good boy ..ILY
Un dia voy a visitar a claiborne farm para conocer a ese hermoso sitio, llevar un ramo de rosas a secretariat y llorarlo un poco, porq todavia duele su partida
The reason the guy keeps on popping the shank is because a lot of stallions when it comes to breeding are aggressive. Alydar who a lot of people said was one of the sweetest horses on the track became a holy terror when he was retired and would throw random fits in his stall until people would give him carrots and attention.
You're talking about a bunch of tourists who come here from all walks of life who might have seen a few clips of a few races or had a daughter who rode a horse once in a while with a bunch of stallions who spend most of their lives being bred and encouraged to be aggressive so the traits can be hopefully passed on to their children for better runners. I'm not saying all horses and people are like this, but my dad in one stable jammed his thumb through the bars of one stall and allowed a horse to lip it without watching when the horse was going to bite that thumb off. I have seen other people act the same way around horses, especially studs.
These are animals who are having a bunch of people crowd around them every day to get their picture taken and be filmed. If one gets too close or does something stupid, they'll get sued for millions of dollars because the horse does something that they instinctively do. The treats are for distracting it from all the people who are around them and trying to keep the horse from reacting from a tourist doing something they shouldn't. The problem is that the studs get used to the treats and get mouthy as all horses do when they know treats are involved. The pops in the chain is protecting the handlers hands from being bitten every day by studs who deal with this and get treats to keep him distracted.
If you want to really see how bad some stallions can be, google Hastings: Man O War's grandsire who had such a vicious temperament that they carried around big fat sticks near him to protect themselves from his teeth. Personal Flag had such a vicious reputation he was nearly sold even though he was one of the best sires at the time and they had two grooms carrying baseball bats with them to keep him in line. Another stallion in Monty Roberts's book had ten foot stave poles to keep the grooms safe from the stallion during breeding time. These horses aren't pets and can cause a ton of damage if not handled properly.
Sara Nightfire There's also other horses who have bitten off people's thumbs, killed tourists, handlers and people just walking by their territory, and maimed others. These horses aren't pets and some will charge people if given the chance and opportunity. Some also look like angels until you get close enough.
One woman was standing on the fence on the other side of the pasture with a groom handling the stallion on the other end. The stallion saw her and charged, the barn manager saved her just in time from being attacked by the stallion.
I have to agree with just about everything you have said. It irritates me when people will call things 'abuse' when a lot of times it's not even abusive and the handler isn't even pulling on the chain as hard as people think they are. Now I'm not saying that some people aren't abusive and use the chains when they're not really necessary but a lot of times the chains are actually needed. Now I am not the biggest fan of chains on horses and would prefer they not be used if possible but I can understand where they are sometimes sadly necessary. Another example of an aggressive stallion would be War Relic, he was said to have a vicious temper too and it was said that he had even killed a groom. Sometimes it's not just stallions though because some mares can be quite aggressive too and pass it down to their offspring. Cinderella (Hastings' dam) was said to be ill-tempered and difficult to handle, so his vicious, temperamental, and aggressive attitude was very likely inherited from his dam.
There are a lot of people who really don't understand just how dangerous horses in general (which can weigh up to a thousand something pounds) can really be and like you put it, they can and will cause a lot of damage if not handled the right way. It might be a different story though if the stallion wasn't just used as a breeding machine but an animal with needs and instincts and allowed to be with some of his own kind and not just in his own pasture with 'neighbors' next to him but due to a stallion's value and for money and insurance reasons, I know they wouldn't want to risk any injuries but some stallions are just naturally inclined to be aggressive to begin with.
For anyone who might likely see my comment, understand that it is not meant to offend, these are just my own personal thoughts and opinions, nothing more. You do not have to agree with them but please be civil about it.
@@Dragonloverx2000 Thank you
Your welcome.
I wonder where on the body were they going to hit the horse with the Baseball Bat?
I’m a avid rider and compete in hunter/jumper.
Been at it since I was 7 I’ll be 58 this year.
My Grandfather worked the windows at Arlington Park he retired in 1970.
His dream was to go fishing but heard whispers about a horse named Secretariat.
My late Grandfather took me to see the Kentucky Derby, Preakness and Belmont Stakes.
I still get goose bumps thinking about this spectacular time.
When I laid eyes on Secretariat I had to keep looking up.
When Secretariat won the Triple Crown I turned 12 my Grandfather said "This happens but once in a lifetime kid"
I’ll cherish my ride up to your farm with my Mom and Grandpa.
I still have my blown up picture of Big Red💙
Thank you all for being so professional and kind.
By the way my Grandfather bet more than his home and won Big💙on Big Red💙
Wonderful recollections Kimberly. Thanks for sharing 💕
thx for posting
Why does the man keep snapping the reins ?
Stallions aren’t backyard pets, these horses are encouraged to be aggressive and a lot of these horses will take a chunk out of you if they have the chance.
The handlers are protecting themselves from being bitten and keeping their fingers. Note the guy said he could be petted, but nowhere near his face where horses can bite.
It's a lead, not the reins. Rei s are used for riding a horse.
so peaceful
l feel like l am actually there!
So beautiful those horses!!
l love horses so much
Thank you for this video
My Hometown !
I was at the farm and I am a horse owner myself. The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
Yeah animal rights activists can be annoying. They're probably PETA supporters and think all animals should be free and humans should go extinct. lol
I'm pretty sure it was to keep the horse's head's still to look better and more well behaved.
I would love to live their
alexis baldwin *there
I'm under the impression that some horses don't always generate the same revenue as what it coast to purchase them. like for example the gentleman mentioned paying 750k for a yearling. I'd be very surprised if he actually returned that sum back to his purchase
+aky19832001 Not many do return their purchase price in purse money. Look up a horse by the name of The Green Monkey
Secretariat movie put it best:
“With the coin flip, I got the better bred foal and my accountant runs faster than her.”
As with almost all things, people don't know what they don't know! And it's always people who have no idea that want to tell those that do, how to do it.
Sawle cave Calumet their first Kentucky Derby bred win. He won the Preakness but died of a heart attack 1 day after the Preakness. Who knows, could he have been a triple crown winner.
Swale passed Swale after winning the Belmont, he finished 7th in the Preakness.
RIP Pulpit.
Blame only beat Zenyatta by a nose.
Terri Holliday still won though
A win is a win. He was the only horse to ever succeed in holding off the likes of Zenyatta. Kudos to Blame for that accomplishment - and for running a great race 🎉
He had an excellent career, really coming into his own at age 4 and won that year’s Eclipse award for best Older Male. Blame ran 13 races, winning 9. He never finished out of the money.
Why did the guy keep yanking on the stud chain its fucking annoying to me imagine how the horse feels!!
To keep the horse distracted. These are studs around mares. I would also like to add the horse doesn't care. Watch his body language. He's clearly not fazed by the stud chain. Please educate yourself.
Thanks
Megan Proffitt The horse was sanding there just fine he didn't need to yank on his face. And also yanking on his nose with a chain does not distract him it hurts him so he stays calm! Please educate yourself. Thanks
Let me tell you what Sara Nightfire said:
"The reason the guy keeps on popping the shank is because a lot of stallions when it comes to breeding are aggressive. Alydar who a lot of people said was one of the sweetest horses on the track became a holy terror when he was retired and would throw random fits in his stall until people would give him carrots and attention.
You're talking about a bunch of tourists who come here from all walks of life who might have seen a few clips of a few races or had a daughter who rode a horse once in a while with a bunch of stallions who spend most of their lives being bred and encouraged to be aggressive so the traits can be hopefully passed on to their children for better runners. I'm not saying all horses and people are like this, but my dad in one stable jammed his thumb through the bars of one stall and allowed a horse to lip it without watching when the horse was going to bite that thumb off. I have seen other people act the same way around horses, especially studs.
These are animals who are having a bunch of people crowd around them every day to get their picture taken and be filmed. If one gets too close or does something stupid, they'll get sued for millions of dollars because the horse does something that they instinctively do. The treats are for distracting it from all the people who are around them and trying to keep the horse from reacting from a tourist doing something they shouldn't. The problem is that the studs get used to the treats and get mouthy as all horses do when they know treats are involved. The pops in the chain is protecting the handlers hands from being bitten every day by studs who deal with this and get treats to keep him distracted.
If you want to really see how bad some stallions can be, google Hastings: Man O War's grandsire who had such a vicious temperament that they carried around big fat sticks near him to protect themselves from his teeth. Personal Flag had such a vicious reputation he was nearly sold even though he was one of the best sires at the time and they had two grooms carrying baseball bats with them to keep him in line. Another stallion in Monty Roberts's book had ten foot stave poles to keep the grooms safe from the stallion during breeding time. These horses aren't pets and can cause a ton of damage if not handled properly."
Again, please go educate yourself. :)
Megan Proffitt I know that some studs can be aggressive but not all of them are so don't think every stallion is a monster. Also having sticks or baseball bats is extreme, if you have a stallion that is so badly behaved you have to beat them then people should not even own or breed their stallions. And beating a horse is not being handled properly. If the people created a monster they should take the time to train them, because it is never the horses fault for what we have done to them. One of my mare was aggressive before, she would bite, kick, rear, push because no one took care of her for years but since I started working with her she is fine now (and I never used abusive methods).
Blond Brain I don't think stallions are monsters. I'm just making a failed attempt at educating you. Obviously you own a mare, so you must know everything about stallions though, right?
beware of stallion ..
they have to keep their attention,
I can OBVIOUSLY SEE THAT BLAME AND THE HORSE BEFORE HIM, WANT HIM TO STOP YANKING ON THAT LEAD. THEY OBVIOUSLY DO NOT LIKE IT THEMSELVES, AND THEY WANT HIM TO STOP IT.
If you want to try to handle one of these studs without a chain or popping the chain. Be my guest.
Just don’t blame the horse when you lose fingers or get your arm ripped out of it’s socket.
that guy is letting the horses play with the lead rope by putting it close to there mouth and than yanking it out!! its not the horses fault. ughh
The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
I wish Claiborne exercised its stallions. They always look fat and out of shape to me. I believe that Secretariat's overweight state contributed to the laminitis that ended his life at age 19.
It did. The great Man O' War was exercised under saddle most of his retirement. That's probably why he lived to age 30. There's no excuse for not riding these stallions. It gives them something to do after breding season, and keeps them healthy.
Stop yanking on him. Damn.
I agree. In fact, on Fbook a few yrs ago, I was commenting and a woman who lives in the area and was involved with horses herself, said Claiborne tended to let their horses gain more weight than others. Also Secretariat from the beginning had a huge appetite. After one of his early races, that night around 10:00 pm it was all quiet and peaceful, except you could hear this munching and crunching sound. It was the young Secretariat, still hungry. It's too bad.
I've always thought that Secretariat should have been ridden, even raced after 1973. Not necessarily in official races as he got older, but just to let him really run, as he was born to do. I wish at least he would have raced as a 4 year old, but maybe, even for him, it is best to go out on top.
Secretariat was never fat, and he ran all the time in his pasture. Every racehorse is going to gain some weight because you're never going to exercise your racehorse in retirement nearly as much as when he was competing. I also doubt his weight had anything to do with laminitis. It's often caused by repeated trauma to the horses feet, or over trimming.
The only thing i know i wont treat my horse like that
fha gerber
Then don’t 🤷♀️
You don’t own a breeding stallion though
Appears you're not a horse owner. Or not knowledgeable about them.
Poor horses his pulling on that chain and the horses are not doing Anyang thing wrong
The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
You missed the horse biting at him ??!! Your clueless
Quite frankly, I personally find it very annoying to constantly keep seeing him yanking on that lead or reins, so if it is that annoying to me, I'm sure the horse must find it even more annoying, and I certainly wouldn't be doing that to the horse. I wouldn't be taking any chances of I were him, but if he does get bitten, or have something else happen to him, oh well, I guess he should have had better common sense.
Appears you know nothing of horses. Especially the high strung ones. The pulling on the leac us to keep the horses attention. Yes even some geldings ard nasty. I had a couple of horse you had to keep their attention by jingling the lead. This is not cruel. These are senive, spirited horse. Thoroughbreds are not for novices. They require a knowledgable horse person.
You have a 1200 lb animal that thinks for itself. Youlearn how to handle then, or get hurt.
Bullshit. There is no reason to jerk the stud chains on these stallions - every single one was standing and behaving calmly and kindly, which for a breeding stud, is quite unusual. And I am a horse owner as well.
karan corey
Your Shetland pony isn’t a top thoroughbred stallion. There is a bit of a difference.
He didn't need to keep yanking on them. What beautiful horses, but what poor groom.
The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
EdgeCreekStables this a 1200 pound plus animal that could kill you in a split second you HAVE to show who is ''boss' ,it was anything but cruel,
@fullstrutn horses may seem big, but it doesn't mean it's alright to wack it with a whip, and yank it's jaw. There's been serious injuries with this sort of stuff. As an equestrian myself, I've experienced it.
Rachel Winterfield They're not saying it's right to wack a horse or yank their jaw. What they're saying is horses need boundaries. If horse's aren't given boundaries then they can become dangerous.
EdgeCreekStables These stallions are actually allowed to be aggressive because they allow the traits for a better racehorse. The problem is that the grooms have to handle these horses every day and can really get a chunk torn out of them when they want to, even if it's just play or for treats. The guy is giving him mints to keep him distracted and keep him from acting too aggressive around the crowds. This makes a horse mouthy for treats and will easily bite a handler for one.
There have been studs who grooms carry around a big stick in sight of the stallion. Hastings, Man O War's grandsire is famous for having that set up because he had been too vicious to handle otherwise. Others use ten foot poles with hooks on either side of the halter for horses who attack grooms during mating. These horses can do a lot of damage without the proper handling, It might seem wrong, but sometimes it's the only thing that can really protect them from really getting hurt, especially in front of crowds like this one where they think the pretty horse is a sweetie pie who wouldn't hurt a fly.
as a horse person i find the handlers actions irresponsible. he is shanking on those horses for no reason, and in fact teaching them to ignore the chain when it is used. he shanks repeatedly for no reason whatsoever, and i wouldnt blame a single one of those horses for putting him against a wall or kicking him. that is not horsemanship and he has no business working with those horses.
Spotted Frog have you EVER been on the end of the lead of a breeding stallion. I have btw. You obviously have no clue.
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY STONED!!
For starters Claiborne Farms would not tolerate even the most minuscule amount of abuse to ANY of their horses, Stallions or Mares !!!
He knows these horses better than anyone he practically lives with them, and he also knows if he doesn't pop that chain that he will be bitten, research before you comment!!
Dude if i could crawl threw my phone and smack you i would. You don't need to keep yanking the chain they are just standing there.I no they are Stallions but they are not doing
Anything wrong..
You need to quit comparing the gelding mini pony you had at your last birthday party to these Stallions
hes keeping the horses attention on the tour guide. that's the only reason. It does not harm the animal.
he is using a chain and he is pulling the chain in the mouth and its annoying and no wonder they are so face shy once people buy off the track
Lara Keilty
They’re not head shy 🤣
Face shy. ? New one on me.
Colts are mouthy, then they become stallions. I dare you to walk into any one of the stalls, put a shank on one of the stud's, pull him out, make him pose, and not get bit. Good luck.
Tgat guy should stop yanking on Pulpit's shank. Yhe horse is just standing and being good for a stud.... No need for that abuse.
Jacquie Morris The reason he keeps yanking the lead rope is because they feed the horses mints for treats. The horse keeps looking for a treat and is biting at the guide for a treat. The guide is in no way being cruel.
+megan proffitt MINTS? I thought that was a British thing. When Chrome was there in UK the beginning of year, they fed him a Mint.....he spat it out. I assume they get used to them though. There's different carrot treats and carrot cookies they also feed. One of the horses in my barn LOVES those fire balls. Absolutely loves them and rolls it back and forth in his mouth. LOL These stallions are so used to getting handled and were also raced before starting their breeding careers. They can get fresh but most are well behaved.....until provoked.