I’m a yt shorts editor and I actually agree with this the yt shorts tier system is too linear and I try to analyze on a more individual scale per character.
I lost brain cells at a Cal Kestis vs Dooku short when they literally gave Cal the advantage in IQ and in some categories. Even in Disney Canon dumbing down and watering down most of the Jedi and Sith, Dooku is literally one of the strongest force wielders. I like Cal but these shorts are a blight upon YT community.
Just as another point to Sidious' physical strength, one kick to Savage Oppress was enough to stun Oppress, whereas Obi-Wan in his physical prime needed several kicks just to stagger Oppress.
I don't think that's purely strength. Yes, better technique executed at quick speed leads to much more force, but it is about where you strike. I don't remember how and where Sidious land his kick, but I remember the one Kenobi did. He kicks on Savage's knee from outside in, making his knee cave in and he lost balance, which Kenobi then dashed out and cut forearm. In Muay Thai and Karate (one I learnt), that strike can literally get your knee joint dislocated and even worse, your ligaments ruptured. The previous strikes may not have stroke Savage's knee at the right angle, or he just kicks to build up that torque for the decisive one. Personally, I lean to the former, Kenobi kicks, but first he does not land a powerful stomp like the one you mentioned, and second he hits more directly on Savage's knee cap, not hitting his side.
@@quangtrungbui675If you literally admit you don't even recall the feat being mentioned, why are you talking about like as if you know what you are talking about?
@@papapalps2415 because I only explain the information I'm sure I know what I'm talking and leave the other for someone else. And since I'm also into fist-fighting, I know what I'm getting into and also where I should stop. And I said I did not remember how and where Sidious kicks Savage at the comment's time, not I did not recall it being mentioned. But I remember Kenobi's, so yea, I only described his.
imagine both empires clash (Ge vs 1 sith leigon) I guarantee that the 1 sith would steamroll with thousands of darksiders force crushing and riping storm troopers to shreds at extreme speed and Darth Wyyrlok illusions would make the empire destroy itself fast. Darth Vader might get a few dozen sith killed them he'd be immobilized by 1000 force chokes all together.
@@abstraction6212 I think since Vader is extremely smart he might be able to beat warlock extremely high diff( looking like Vader v momin) but he ain't touching Krayt
@@Badblood226 as for everything else? we've seen how Jedi wipe out armies in micro series tcw, storm troopers and imperial forces have the worst survivability rates as fodder characters like dash rendar, mercenary Kyle Katarn and ewoks outsmarted and destroyed imperial forces like nothing, Starkiller a mid tier dark Jedi and Padawan level Kyle Katarn cleave through like nothing. And your dealing with the 1 sith the only sith order in existence to defeat Abeloth and Luke's NJO after his death putting them leagues beyond Khan's brotherhood or any other sith order in galactic history. They will just choke grind and electrocute imperial forces like nothing. Even a low powered force lightning one shots AT-AT Darth Trooper Phase 3 and star destroyer executor, and the force illusion mind r### the entire empire into insanity infighting or suicide will just make the war easier for the one sith.
In the potential case of a Q@A I present some questions here 1: Call me an old man but I remember hearing the discussion of Krayt beating Sidious way back when during the Council Forcecast podcast episode titled “Darth Sidious is not invincible” How has your opinion of these two Sith evolved since that first discussion 2: What is your process for formatting your video scripts and what is your process for researching the powers of each character? 3: Looking back on all of Versus Series Season 7 as a whole. What matchup would you say you are most proud of and what character breakdown are you most proud of? (both can be separate) 4: What wisdom would you provide to any fledgling Versus Series creators who want to follow in your footsteps in making these videos? Thank you for all of the wonderful videos all these years Evan, I wish you the best in life and I can’t wait to see what comes next.
Saying Krayt has better lightning just because Luke elected to dodge a possible lightning attack from him is a bit of a stretch considering the monolithic laundry list of feats attributed to how powerful Sidious' lightning is in comparison to his own. Flash-frying targets to skeletons, having to attain a level of mastery of the power as a prerequisite to learning how to conjure a Force Storm-it'd be more likely that Krayt is comparable to Palpatine in this regard, but putting it above Palpatine's on the basis of Luke wanting to dodge a *possible* lightning attack headed his way from Krayt...that's a bit much.
Wait did he say that? I thought he said the difference between krayt and sidious lightning wasn’t as large as people may think meaning he stil has palps above Tbf Luke not wanting to get hit by an attack and moving is still crazy if it’s used as proof like mmost people tend to avoid things being aimed at them
I think the difference comes in when comparing when he dodged the lightning attack; Jedi Knight Luke who actually begins to be as and even start to surpass his father while Grand Master Luke has surpassed his father and is the strongest Jedi.
Well krayt does have lightning feats he slaughtered an entire ship full of force resistant one with nothing but lightning as well as roasting a large group of rakghouls with one blast and there was probably close to two dozen of them just scorched out of existence. Also let’s not forget he had some much control over lightning that he he engulf people without even shocking them that’s a degree of control sidious never exhibited.
@AndreVeaseyJr the luke Skywalker papaltine faced was already stronger than vader as the return of the jedi novel said vader and luke are both equal dark empire luke Skywalker got alot stronger
Q&A Questions- 1. What is your general opinion on Darth Sidious as a character? 2. Since Jensaarai 1 made a dedicated profile video on Sidious’ martial techniques, have you considered making one on Grand Master Luke Skywalker? 3. Who is your favorite practitioner (confirmed or implied) of Form VI Niman?
1) A fountain of memes. Very entertaining. 2) No? 3) Probably Exar Kun due to his innovations. One of a kind weapon and trakata really makes him a high risk high reward trickster.
1. If he was part of a lantern corps , he'd be an orange lantern. 2. An opposite of sidious, GM Luke Skywalker didn't fall behind his lightsaber skills and continued to improve on them alongside his power in the force. 3. Kao cen darach.
I'd also love to see a round 2 with the Entire galactic empire vs the entire rule of one sith, And I gotta tell ya the one sith having been scaled equal to Luke's NJO especially after Abeloth, Krayts army has a collosal god stomp
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner And also the fact that he's extremaly overrated by a large portion of the fans, although i tend to belive that old republic era characters tend to be really overrated by the fandome .
Good video but I disagree with the conclusion; Sidious gave too little praise and Krayt too much. Scaling to Luke isn’t really viable because they never fought, not at all, Luke considered dodging his lightning because both of them were definitely exhausted from fighting a god-tier entity. The throne of balance is just another chosen-one-esque style thing, where instead of Anakin being the one to stop Sidious, it’s Luke stopping Krayt. Doesn’t mean they are equal in power. Sidious buries an entire SSD with the force, mind wipes thousands of people, weakens DE Luke with mental attacks alone. How is this not mentioned more, clearly Sidious has the TK advantage, and he could probably affect Krayt to SOME degree with his mental abilities. Sure DE luke outdueled Sidious, but as we know Sidious losing the saber combat doesn’t mean he’s lost the fight, he bested Yoda with the force and most likely could have overwhelmed Mace. He almost BENT the saber back into Mace’s body, stopped, pretended to be weak and then OBLITERATED Mace with the lightning right after. Palpatine takes the edge in lightning for sure, regardless of how many of Krayt’s minions have X feats with lightning; none of them can compare to this really. Krayt’s dueling feats are overhyped, he never fought anyone of Yoda or Mace’s caliber, true Sidious may have lost to them, but he still damn well. DE Sidious is not ROTS sidious, but he’s surely improved his skills in the force and lightsaber combat; Vader never dared to challenge his master for a reason - even if OT Sidious hardly has any saber feats. So pre-prime Sidious is able to compete with Mace and Yoda, completely destroying Talzin in a saber duel when she was shown being able to hold off Mace briefly, but loses martial skill to Krayt? When Krayt has NO showings besides destroying multiple council members - who don’t have many feats themselves. Even if Palpatine “stunned” some of the council members they still got dispatched quickly, with Yoda and Mace being the only real matchups. The force storm not being utilized in direct combat makes sense, but also doesn’t. Yes, Sheev got cut off from the storm, so it destroyed him. But if he wasn't cut off it would have never destroyed him, we see him make multiple, with one of them TELEPORTING organic matter from one side of the galaxy to the next. Realistically if hes able to pop even a lesser one off as a ditch attempt; Krayt is obliterated. Extra: Sidious isn’t that physically weak, he takes a kick from Savage, who is a literal tank shown to body Dooku around multiple times. Extra PT 2: bold of you to assume Krayt would even get close enough to Sidious to utilize dark transfer, and it requires a lot of power. I feel that overall while Krayt is an excellent duelist, Sidious is simply better due to who he’s fought - he’s also not that physically superior to Sidious overwhelmingly - Sidious is definitely faster (once again due to who he has fought). Krayt is inferior in the force in RAW Power, and overall mastery. Sidious has too many feats to lose in a fight, even if he may fail to have a higher mastery at dueling, he cooks Krayt with the force in the end.
This was so good man. I’ve been watching you since Primary School, and not only is it insane that you’re still going It’s insane that your content has gotten so much better, it’s honestly so cool to see. Thank you for all the memories man, I still remember first seeing the Galen Marek vs Ashoka video which introduced me to you. ^-^
Q&A: 1.) would you do a revised Sidious vs Vitiate video? We’ve learned so much more about Vitiate since you did your original one and I think your view of Sidious has evolved a great deal. 2.) how would you feel about a Caedus vs Krayt match up? I think they match each other very well. 3.) do you think sidious could’ve matched Krayt’s feats against Abeloth? 4.) do you think that the claims stating “____ is the most powerful Sith Lord” hold any validity? They throw claims like that around non stop. It does a disservice to rely too heavily on them. People think that just because one is further down the Rule of Two line they’re automatically more powerful than earlier ones which is illogical for multiple reasons, one being that later Sith used treachery more often than an actual duel which is what Bane intended, thereby negating one’s inferiority and skirting direct power leveling. Thanks for the video it was absolutely fantastic. I disagree with a couple of the points but overall you make a very compelling argument for Krayt.
never stop making videos Evan! your our hero! You and Connor are our old Ben and Yoda, the last in your generation of Versus Battlers that set the standard!
Q/A Questions and Criticism: Half way through. Whilst I love the video so far, The idea of scaling Krayts's LIGHTSABER combat to the Abeloth fight when he didn't even have a lightsaber is ridiculous. Hand to Hand Martial Arts ability? of course. But that has nothing to do with lightsaber ability. Seriously: What does throwing a mean Right Hook have to do with fencing. Especially against a weakened opponent who is literally getting double teamed. Edit 2: We really gonna give Krayt that "lightsaber feat" but you won't mention literally every Jedi to ever live was needed to suppress Palpatine from respawning? 2:16:14 See this is my big issue with this whole thing. Evan doesn't have the feats so he just cross scale abilities which is utterly ridiculous. "Strongest of [Blank]" only supports a general title of strongest, you can't just plug it in for non-existing feats Edit 4: So Evan takes Palpatine's necromancy (even tho a "neutral planet" still should have graves somewhere), he doesn't get midichlorian manipulation, he doesn't literally get his respawns which is apart of his kit. But Krayt get's to be turbo wanked off tag teaming a super weak Abeloth to the point somehow his lightsabers scale in a fist fight. . . . sure. 2:19:30 Again. Sidious had to be restrained by EVERY Jedi to ever live. . . Gee I wonder who wins the force transfer duel between the two. 2:22:25 That's just blatantly a misrepresentation. Your own panels show Sidious was literally CUT OFF from the Force. So of course he would be destroyed by the storm. How does that even apply to this fight Conclusion: I am highly disappointed. Having watched the entire video, repeatedly I've seen the least charitable opinions possible for Sidious, whilst on the other end Krayt receiving a ridiculous amount of charitable interpretations. I firmly believe that without that nonsense Abeloth lightsaber scale (when literally no one there had a lightsaber), and actually giving Sidious the Force Storm (as he isn't force severed) then Krayt would be forced to lose. Oh and Sidious is always going to win with having basically the greatest force transfer argument in the verse.
Force Storm isn't an ability that can really be used in a duel. Its not that precise, its TOO large scale. Also, while your argument about Krayt's Abeloth fight not scaling to his lightsaber technique seems sound on the surface, Krayt uses hand-to-hand combat in his lightsaber fights all the time and the levels of physical enhancement obviously still apply, as does any skill with general combat skills such as distance, timing, and reading your opponent's incoming attacks. On top of that, Sidious's lightsaber skills likely atrophied (at the very least they didn't grow) between RotS and DE (unless you think that DE Luke was an equal or superior duelist to Mace and Yoda), which in my mind makes Krayt's superiority over him in lightsaber combat evident. But, I do agree with you that Sidious would win an Essence Transfer duel between the two of them due to more familiarity with the technique if nothing else. That "All the Jedi to have every lived will hold him back" is really telling. So while I think Krayt would win the fight, it is probably that Sidious could win the war by stealing his body.
@@wanderingshade8383 Whilst I’m glad we can agree with certain things. On that Hand to Hand thing. It still doesn’t tell you how good of. A duelist you are, punching a horror monster and actually wielding a sword are not the same skill and those skills do not transfer on a 1 - 1 level. This is coming from someone who’s done fencing and martial arts for the better part of a decade.
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 They certainly do not transfer 1-1, yes. I agree. Some baseline fundamentals do transfer over, but its not much. I've also done some fencing and martial arts, so I also know what I'm talking about, though admittedly I haven't done both at the same time and not for most of a decade either. Regardless, I think Krayt's showings even discounting his Abeloth feat show him as a superior duelist to ol' Palpy, when looking at Sidious in DE anyway. In RotS...maybe not. Maybe.
I find the Krayt scaling to Luke based on the Beyond Shadows fight questionable in general. -Beyond Shadows isn’t the same as a normal fight, so the mechanics of the entire thing are murky, not directly transferable to a real world fight -Luke was the one mainly fighting Abeloth, whereas Krayt played a supportive role in that fight, attacking “from the side” and with Luke’s support in pinning her, etc. Krayt never took her on directly or alone like Luke has multiple times. It’s hard to say definitively that Palpatine, Yoda or KFV Vader wouldn’t do as well or even better than Krayt in the same Beyond Shadows situations. -Luke was exhausted after near constant encounters with Abeloth and the Sith in the real world, Krayt was fresh -Beyond Shadows also contained a Dark Side Nexus, arguably benefitting Krayt Krayt is strong, but his showings against someone like Cade Skywalker/Wyyrlok IMO don’t seem to scale to Palpatine level, and the Beyond Shadows fight doesn’t prove much in a clear way IMO. Also, Storm may not be a precision ability but Palpatine has much more versatility than Krayt even by Evan’s own admission, so it wouldn’t be that hard for him to use some powers to get some distance from Krayt and pull off a force storm IMO. Though I personally don’t think he needs it. His lightsaber showings are comparable if not better than Krayt’s IMO (he clapped early DE Luke in seconds who was already stated to be at the level of any previous Jedi, Cade has no such scalings, late DE Luke was arguably amped and even then couldn’t resist his force powers alone) and same for his force powers.
@@TinyToraha better idea a rematch with sidious and Krayt but this time it's the one sith vs the entire galactic empire (including the Inquisitors, lumaya and starkiller) And safe to say the One Sith Being on Luke's NJO level would curbstomp the empire effortlessly force waving and destroying a whole bunch of Storm troopers and ATATs and Star destroyers as possible. Vader might get a few dozen of Krayts sith killed but then Hell be embolized by 1000+ force chokes all together. then Krayt uses Darth Transfer then Krayt kills sidious then the remaining empire along with Krayts ROO will bow down to the true emperor.
41:09 Again Vastor does not scale to ROTS Anakin. The Anakin in that novel is literally ATOC anakin who gets utterly obliterated by his rots counterpart. That is like scaling a literal child to a full grown adult numerous sources state Anakin's ATOC power was vastly surpassed by Anakin a few months into the war to the point he is basically a completely different person. Kar Vastor does not scale to rots Anakin the difference is so vast its ridiculous
W video. Idk if i completely agree with the outcome but amazing analysis. As for ideas I mentioned it once but Darth Thanaton vs Inquisitor Jerec just sits right with me for some reason. Glad to see this finally released. Amazing work :)
An interesting matchup: Clash of the Dark Side Scholars. Even though both combatants were primarily Force duelists, Jerec gets the martial edge, though I doubt a fight between these two would be a lightsaber battle. In regards to raw Force power level, I’d say they’re comparable in strength. Ultimately, I think that Thanaton would ultimately win. His Force shields allows him to defend himself against Jerec’s Force Destruction and Thanaton’s lightning is more developed and stronger. As the head of the Sphere of Ancient Knowledge, Thanaton likely familiarized himself with mental techniques to defend against Jerec’s Force Suppression ability, thus keeping his basis covered.
Fun idea, both dark side scholars with force abilities being the deciding factor. In terms of power, Id give an edge to Thanaton. Jerec is comp to Dooku, Thanatos to Malgus. But Jerec is still powerful enough to contend quite well. But consume essence can make up the power difference if Thanatos does full dark side channeling. Jerec has outs to everything Thanaton throws at him. advanced sense abilities + battlemind handles telepathy, tutaminis handles lightning, solid tk barriers for tk. And then Jerec busts out force destruction which Thanatos has no idea how to deal with. His active force shield could guard against it, but im unsure how Thanaton would predict to that in the first place. Add on top of jerec's advantage as a swordsman, and I think Jerec has the odds to pull a win.
Sorry, but I disagree with the verdict. Luke and Krayt may fight alongside each other against Abeloth, but Luke clearly did much more of the heavywork compared to Krayt. Yes, Krayt closed the gap significantly following his resurrection, but he still isn't quite yet a peer to Luke, though at this point he is powerful enough to put up a good fight. Sidious is just better than Krayt as a duelist, though as a force wielder Krayt is powerful enough to contend, but Sidious still edges out in raw power and versatility. Krayt's only advantages are his martial arts skills and physicality. It's a good fight, but DE Palpatine wins 9/10 times, with 1/10 times if Krayt manages to touch Palpatine with Dark Transfer. EDIT: I agree with the sentiment that Palpatine is given too little credit while Krayt is overhyped. There's many flaws in this video similar to Vader vs Caedus (with Caedus getting too little credit), and Plageuis vs Kenobi (with Plageuis getting downplayed and Kenobi getting too much credit). Really, this video can be boiled down to 'Krayt is comparable to Luke therefore he wins', based on a dishonest analysis on their fight against Abeloth.
I’ve been a fan over several years and I’m very happy about this vid it’s good to have you back Evannova95! Also I love this match up it’s my two favorite darksiders besides Malgus and Vader.
Excellent analysis. Q&A: 1. In your vid discussing Sith Lords that didn’t use red lightsabers, jensaarai bought up a theory of the trophy blades used by Sidious in Dark Empire that they’re the blades of Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto. Do you believe that theory is true or no? 2. A Star Wars character I feel is very underrepresented in the versus community is Darth Traya. What are your thoughts on Darth Traya as a character? If you ever decided to feature her in a match, who would you put her up against? 3. This is in reference to your Ahsoka vs Galen Marek vid from a while ago. Would you say your opinion on the outcome of that match has changed over years given how much development Ahsoka has had (Tales of the Jedi, Clone Wars Season 7, Rebels, and Ahsoka Season 1)?
Almost all of Ahsoka’s development and appearances that you are thinking of are Disney canon only and he use’s legends. Thus it would not apply to legends as it never happened in this continuity.
@@flipout216also even then if we use legends cosmology for canon, Ahsoka still isn’t strong enough. She lasts longer against marek but still gets hammered to oblivion because of his massive advantage as a force wielder. The new stuff only gave her minor improvements, such as being more niman oriented than Ataru, active force shields and a level of ability with tutaminis though not on the level of lightning. Marek still holds the advantage in all areas. He does everything she does, and then a bunch more
Q and A In your opinion who win between Darth Kraty and Darth Cadeus? Two if instead of a fight what do you think Darth Kraty and Darth Cadeus would think of each other and their plans if they had a actual conversation with each other. Finally, three do you think Darth Kraty waited hundreds of years after Luke died or began his plans? I don't think Kraty was necessarily scared of Luke or his order but was generally wary of him and knew Luke order was still in its prime with powerful memories like Kyle Katarn and Jaina solo. I don't think it makes Kraty a coward, and if anything was a good intelligent feat to wait,for the biggest threat to his plans to die of old age then strike when the time was right with his forces. What do you think?
What a pleasant surprise. Haven't watched since I made a new UA-cam. Last video I watched was you talking about Kol Skywalker. Good times. Glad I found the channel again
Your versus videos are the best in all the social media! Not only do you do deep research for the characters, but you also choose very wisely! Sometimes I might not agree with the winner, but opinions differ. Congratulations for choosing 2 awesome villains, greetings from Greece!
I think it is a really good matchup with really good execution. It does annoy me though because in my opinion Sidious is the ultimate enemy and it just ended up fueling power creep in Star Wars. It also annoys me that the only way he is stronger is by the lake of apparitions fight. I do think there are some things that should be mentioned though. One of the reasons they were able to defeat Abeloth was by using a combined power of both the light and the dark side energy. Krayt also kinda stood back at least initially and let Luke do a lot of the fighting. They were not putting in equal effort. I also think that it is possible that Sidious would be able to compensate instead of krayt. I don’t think it would change the outcome but I do think Sidious should have one the force power catigory. It might not win him the match but I do think that Krayt wins force powers on a little sketchy logic. This might be my own bias but I think that Sidious’s feet’s are more consistent. I do agree with his lightsaber ability and physical attributes. I think those parts were done really well. I would be really interested in the fight Darth Krayt vs. Darth Cidous though I think that match has a lot of potential.
It's not a bias, a huge fan of Legacy here and I agree 100% with that. Imho his take on Krayt from the older "Bane vs Krayt" video is fare more accurate.
@@ChristopherL-nw8wr Of course, he is above Bane and after rebirth surely closer to Sidious in power, but that video didn't overestimate him like this one. He rightfully wins that matchup of course.
Here are my questions for if you do a Q&A for this: 1. Would you ever consider doing a verses with Ben Skywalker? Out of all the Skywalker descendants, he's is the least explored when it comes to fighting skills 2. Would you ever consider doing a video about how Disney broke the Force? I'm not sure if such a video topic is your style or not, but its something to consider. 3. What are your thoughts on the fan theory that Galen Marek and the Starkiller Clone are one in the same? As in Galen survived and was simply tricked into thinking he was clone.
@@yrooxrksvi7142honestly, Sabine was a much better character when she was just a regular mandalorian. They completely ruined and butchered her, and this retcon makes no sense because it also destroys Rebels as a show because why didn’t kanan sense her force sensitivity when he was able to sense Ezra and even fucking Vader. But then again, this is Disney. Of course they don’t have to make sense They should’ve instead built up on the first mandalorian Jedi wielding the dark saber and have some distant descendant mandalorian finding his or her way in the galaxy after the Empire.
Then, I’d put my credits on Bane. He may be roughly a decade older than Malak, he’s easily physically stronger and tougher and can match his speed and reflexes. Malak’s one-handed Juyo leaves him vulnerable to counterattacks, something Bane’s Forms V and III could capitalize on. Bane’s TK and Force lightning are far more devastating and if Malak attempts to use Force stun, Bane can muscle through it
I feel like It’s pretty universally stated by most material that Sidious is the most powerful sith to ever live, however by the scaling logic, would that make Krayt the most powerful Sith Lord in the Star Wars universe period?
If there is going to be a Q&A video I have two questions. 1.) I noticed you mentioned you fully intend to cover Leia next season. Would you be inclined to consider putting her up against Satele Shan since they both have the similarities of being blue lightsaber wielding female Jedi who also happen to be mothers. 2.) While I absolutely agree about your point about Sidious being unable to control his force storms I have a rebuttal to that. Would Sidious' inability to "control" the force storm was limited really discredit the fact that he could conjure the storms at all especially since you did mention that the power requires incredible time and training to even pull off. I'm not disagreeing with just something I was curious about.
Holy Crap, now that's a match up of the century. Easily my most anticipated Star Wars Versus matchup since Antoine's Yoda vs Luke Skywalker. Q&A Question- I only now wonder how either combatant could deal with someone like Darth Caedus ? My versus idea for next season would be Satele Shan vs Revan (great granddaughter vs grandfather ) Mara Jade Skywalker Vs Galen Marek ( Sith Assassins for general combat) Shaak Tii vs Darth Malak (Form 2&4 masters)
I personally would give it to Darth Krayt, he rivaled Luke at a Point where he was much more experienced than during DE when beating prime Sidious. It only make sense that Krayt should outscale Sidious. Time to Watch the Video. Keep up the Great work and May the Force be with you !
Where did he ever rival Luke? They never fought, were never scaled and never was it even implied that they were equals in power or combat. Fighting a severely weakened celestial together does not mean that they are equals.
@@DropkickNation it has been stated clearly that they were equals at that point. Luke Even feared Krayt. Krayt is at least on Par if Not a league above luke.
I do recall making this suggestion years ago. Though I know it wasn't just a request on my end, I'm so glad I finally got to see the match up I've been wanting for such a long time. Thanks again for this, Evan. I cant imagine the massive undertaking it took to make thisbpossible. Nevertheless, every second of it was amazing. Can't wait to see your future projects. Stay safe and May the Force be with you.
Q&A Questions: 1. Would you be interested in doing these following match ups? Darth Sidious vs Vitiate (Sith Emperors) Cin Drallig and Serra Keto vs Kao Cen Darach and Satele Shan (Battle Masters and acrobatic students) Darth Vader vs Revan (Former Jedi turned Sith) Mara Jade vs Galen Marek (Trained by the Sith) 2. Who do you think is the most underrated Jedi and Sith in your opinion? 3. Is it possible to do match ups of two characters who are the same but different versions of themselves (example: Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader)?
Hett is one of my favourite characters of all Star Wars, though, not as his sith version, but as a Tusken/Jedi, a completely unique individual in the galaxy, having survived order 66 and returned to his old home with the people he cared for and pretty much turned himself into a freedom figther for Tattoine. He was so cool. Also, Obiwan really has to stop cutting the limbs of his opponents and leaving them to die, Which is even more cruel than finishing them.
It was such an epic scal annalyse! I was entrance by your video nearly from begining through the end. In my opinion, you done an amazing job! It's a masterpiece !
You know, Sidious might not have been THE most powerful Sith Lord to ever live, but he was still the ultimate product of Sith doctrine. Darth Krayt, for all his power, had some ideology concerning the Galaxy, even if it was twisted. Sidious, however, had no greater ideology in mind. He was devoted purely towards his own gain; everything else was fodder. He was THE Sith Lord, as close to pure evil as it’s possible to be.
Funny thing is… I LITERALLY just thought of a matchup between these two literally YESTERDAY!!!!!! Haven’t even watched the video yet but had to say this
Oh dayum i’ve waited 10 years for this! And it will have to wait until tomorrow as 2+ hrs is one hell of a demand😂😂 looking forward though, thankyou Evan
Damn, I felt the disturbance in the force - but this is a legendary present after a day in the office. I mean what can even top this match up? A three-way battle between those to plus Vitiate? Amazing as always, man!
Great video, Evan! Everything that I had expected and more! A couple of questions: 1. Would you ever consider bringing in a more unorthodox character like Darth Nihlus, for example? If so, who would you consider pitting him against? If not, would you do a discussion video about the particulars of his power set and scaling? 2. A follow-up, do you think that it is possible for ordinary force users to resist Nihlus’s drain abilities, or would it require an exceptionally powerful force user to resist? Or do you think that there is no one, with the exception of Meetra Surik, who can even stand up for long enough to kill him? 3. I remember in season 6 that you did a huge team battle. Would that be something that you would consider doing again, or is that something that is not really under consideration? Also, I was going to ask about Palpatine and Krayt, but you seemingly could sense my intentions and curiosity on the subject. A true Jedi master.
Evan and his friends already said in the past why they don't make versus battles with Nihilus. He is the ultimate manifestation of feast or famine... both figuratively and metaphorically. He either one shots you and drains you, or he is overpowered or negated in the case of the exile. Basically a matchup entirely decided by power levels the first few minutes.
The Strongest Sith in History versus The Dragon of the Sith (that title goes so hard) Palpatine: "If he got rid of his Yuuzhan Vong armor and regained all of his power, it would be a bit difficult" "Would you lose?" Palpatine: "Nah, I'd win" He would, in fact, not win 💀
I greatly appreciate the loyalty to EU Canon. Too many Star Wars creators reference “disney canon” which was made by people who hate Star Wars and its fanbase.
I'm impressed by the effort ypu put into this, as always, however, you underestimated Sidious quite a lot IMO. Dark Empire sourcebook clearly states, Palpatine secretly ran the entire Galactic Empire through the Dark Side. The other thing is, his Force Storm could obliterate entire Planets, which Luke himself wrote (you said this yourself in one of your older videos). Him feeding on Byss and turning it into a Force nexus years before DE is also quite a feat. Not to mention, people often forget it was Palpatine's defeat at Endor that restored Balance to the Force. That implies Sidious was the culmination of all Dark Side influences in the Galaxy of prior millenia. The biggest mistake you make is following the "surpassing DE Luke is all it takes to be above Sidious" approach. It's far more naunced than that. It's not just about Leia's Force aid. Palpatine was nerfed by jis own mind, just like Vader on DS2. Only this time it was lack of controll that doomed the Sith. And to say, that Darth Caedus surpassed Darth Sidious is a monstrous exagerration. Firstly, "The most powrrfull of the Sith Lords" statement comes from an unpublished novel, secondly, it surely referes to the Sith alive at that point in time, that being early One Sith and the Lost Tribe. The evidence is basically everywhere. Caedus is always compared to his grandfather in Force power, never to Palpatine himself. As for Krayt's feat of taking on nerfed Abeloth with Luke, it doesn't make him more powerfull than Sidious, ESPECIALLY if we follow the unpublished "Blood Oath" statement about Caedus, who was above Krayt barely 2 years prior according to it, yet stood no chance against Grand Master Skywalker. Consider that and it’s eitehr apparent, that scalling in SW is broken or Krayt was clearly not on paar with Luke. + From what I remember the text implies Luke did most of the work in this fight. All in all I love your videos, but it seems to me, that you began to overestimate pretty much every single character from Post-ROTJ timeline. Your Darth Krayt vs Darth Bane video from almost a decade ago is far more accurate the way I see it, in spite of being multiple times shorter. Krayt rightfully gets the edge in that matchup by the way.
1. Force nexuses are not great depictions of combative viability. As he said with Force Storm, large scale force abilities are highly impractical for 1 on 1 combat. Plus, if Shaak Ti is able to make a force nexus, Palpatine obviously can. It’s not much of a noteworthy feat. 2. Sure, but considering how far Luke got after Dark Empire, even if Sidious was mentally hampered…he’s not winning at full power against LOTF/FOTJ Luke. 3. No it isn’t. The One Sith were barely even around by this point, and the Lost Tribe DID NOT EVEN EXIST YET, only being revealed in FOTJ. This is very clearly referring to the previous Sith, which includes Palpatine at the height of his power. And he is compared to his grandfather as FAR exceeding him. The man who was stated as 3/4ths of Palpatine, mind you.
@@goroakechi6126Why do the best star wars debaters such as darth ant, ethan, etc all who represent krayt for like a decade never assert any of this along with anyone on suspect insight forums? I recommend you go to them with these concerns, they have a site
@@goroakechi6126 "As he said with Force Storm, large scale Force abilities highly impractical for 1 on 1 combat..." They aren't, though. There's nothing really stopping Sidious from using Force Storms in combat; he can summon them in seconds flat, and he is very capable of tailoring the amount of damage they do and to who. It'd be about as simple as teleporting a safe distance away to summon one, and then that's all she wrote. "Plus, if Shaak Ti is able to make a Force nexus..." She wasn't. "It's not much of a noteworthy fest..." Lmfao. Making Force nexi with your passive presence, including some of the most powerful in existence, is very much a noteworthy feat; as is the fact that, by the time of the OT, Sidious was quite literally a walking, talking, breathing Dark Side nexus and was closer to an energy being than of flesh and blood, and could passively tear apart the fabric of space. "Sure, but considering how far Luke got after Dark Empire...(snip)" While I don't personally buy it, there very much IS a compelling argument to be made that Darth Sidious (and arguably Tenebrae) are characters that, for all intents and purposes, can't actually be beaten by any one, single other person (bar perhaps themselves), especially when it comes to Jedi. There's a rather consistent theme throughout much of Star Wars when it comes to top-tier Sith/Dark Side users, and Valk and Sidious especially, that they can't truly be beaten by conventional force (no pun intended). You don't really have to look further than Dark Empire itself for an obvious example; the entire point of the end sequence of DE 1 is that neither Luke nor Leia nor anyone else could ever even vaguely hope to match the Galactic Emperor alone; it was by joining themselves together, and by joining themselves to the greater Force in its entirety, understanding the power of connection and luminous beings and love (I.E., Oneness, for all intents and practical purposes) that they were able to temporarily sever the Emperor's control over his Storms that let them not just survive, but win. Its rather implicitly obvious from the comic and other material that, if it wasn't for this, they were going to die. Palpatine had his hand raised and ready to use Force Lightning, and Luke didn't even attempt to try to approach him or finish him off despite the fact that he was, quote literally, unarmed; based off the statements about Palpatine's true mature by that point, specifically the bit about him 'passively tearing apart the fabric of space and destroying flesh and machine', it's not unlikely that Luke would have literally died even trying to get close to him. Palpatine was likely orders of magntiude stronger than him still in the Force by DE. "This is clearly referring to the previous Sith which includes Palpatine at his height..." Neither Krayt nor Caedus have any real supremacy quotes so far as I'm aware, bar a blurb that Caedus is better than Vader, which isn't really saying much, as suited Vader isn't very impressive. "The man who was stated 3/4th's of Palpatine mind you..." Suit Vader isn't even vaguely close to Palpatine's level, no. This is a very, very consistent throughout the entire of the old canon of SW, and it's very much a Lucas approved stance; suit Vader is a pale shadow of what he once was, and Sidious is more or less capable of ragdolling him if push comes to shove. There's a rather amusing Lucas quote I could pull out for you that illustrates the intention behind their dynamic very well, if you want. It's addressing what would have happened if Vader hadn't blocked Lule's swing at Palpatine in ROTJ; it goes more or less something to the effect that he would have blocked it with the Force or some such, would have been very annoyed that Vader missed his que, and that he could have ended matters at any time by 'simply raising his hand and that'd be it', to paraphrase slightly.
At long last, Sidious has met his match. Excellent work, even if the length is a bit much for even a versus video (was still definitely worth the wait)! On a slightly unrelated note, have you ever considered doing the occasional crossover versus? I understand that a TON more research would be required for something like that, but perhaps that could be counteracted by utilizing the character from another IP in a mini-marathon akin to what you did with Darth Malgus this season? Example: Isabelle Arrington from SapphireFoxx Isabelle Arrington vs. Dark Empire Luke Skywalker Isabelle Arrington vs Adult Ahsoka Tano Isabelle Arrington vs. Anakin Solo
@@user-lp8im7ow8s Isabelle Arrington is a powerful sorceress and one of the main characters of the Main SapphireFoxx Universe/Canon SapphireFoxx timeline. In terms of power, she has some major feats under her belt even prior to her prime, partially thanks to her training under Alistair. In terms of telepathy, Isabelle has used using Mass Memory Alter on over 2,000 people across the globe simultaneously. As for telekinesis, she has been seen levitating a 747 jumbo jet, as well as morphing chunks of asphalt pavement into a pair of floating hands, both more impressive than anything Dark Empire Luke has achieved in this field. That's not to mention Isabelle's insane teleportation capabilities, being part of the Sapphire bloodline.
Alright Evan, here I have some questions for the follow-up video. 1. Do you plan to make Versus Series of other franchises you love outside Star Wars in a near future? Example: Naruto or Avatar TLA/LOK or Dragon Ball. 2. Do you believe that Luke underestimated Krayt after the Abeloth fight, especially for delivering him that warning? 3. Is there a possiblity that you would do a Versus Series involving non-force sensitive characters or bounty hunters in general in the near future? Ex: Grievous vs. Boba Fett (Legends for both) or Shae Vizla vs. Bo Katan. 4. If Sidious did hypothetically manage to be in the period of the Abeloth Event, would he be able to accomplish Krayt's feats or not? 5. Would you do a powerscaling for the One-Sith Order?
Absolute mastercraft of a video and in my opinion the best verses video I've ever seen on youtube period. Hoping we get Darth Krayt vs Valkorion/ vitiate next
oh shoot ive been looking forward to this i always listen to your stuff at night when im trying to sleep helps quiet the adhd racing mind this is going to be legend tier
The virgin UA-cam shorts power scaling vs the chad feature film length hypothetical matchup discussion
I’m a yt shorts editor and I actually agree with this the yt shorts tier system is too linear and I try to analyze on a more individual scale per character.
I lost brain cells at a Cal Kestis vs Dooku short when they literally gave Cal the advantage in IQ and in some categories. Even in Disney Canon dumbing down and watering down most of the Jedi and Sith, Dooku is literally one of the strongest force wielders. I like Cal but these shorts are a blight upon YT community.
Yo 😂
I can't stand those smfh. So lazy
Fair I just like editing them and yeah they are to linear but it’s hard to put all of that in a minute
What the fuck! Some of my favorite Sith Lords in a 2 hour matchup? My god this must be a gift from the force itself.
You said it, man.😅😊
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This is probably the first time Palpatine actually lost to another Sith Lord. Does this mean Krayt is now The most powerful Sith lord?
@@Tarnthewarrior It’s either Krayt or Vitiate
@@gameovervirus2384Darish Vol and Caedus are up there too
I was literally going to recommend doing Sidious vs Krayt vs Vitiate. Either way, Insane work man I’m going to enjoy this. ❤
Just as another point to Sidious' physical strength, one kick to Savage Oppress was enough to stun Oppress, whereas Obi-Wan in his physical prime needed several kicks just to stagger Oppress.
I don't think that's purely strength. Yes, better technique executed at quick speed leads to much more force, but it is about where you strike. I don't remember how and where Sidious land his kick, but I remember the one Kenobi did. He kicks on Savage's knee from outside in, making his knee cave in and he lost balance, which Kenobi then dashed out and cut forearm. In Muay Thai and Karate (one I learnt), that strike can literally get your knee joint dislocated and even worse, your ligaments ruptured. The previous strikes may not have stroke Savage's knee at the right angle, or he just kicks to build up that torque for the decisive one. Personally, I lean to the former, Kenobi kicks, but first he does not land a powerful stomp like the one you mentioned, and second he hits more directly on Savage's knee cap, not hitting his side.
Never underestimate force speed, or just dark side empowerment in general lol.
@@quangtrungbui675If you literally admit you don't even recall the feat being mentioned, why are you talking about like as if you know what you are talking about?
@@papapalps2415 because I only explain the information I'm sure I know what I'm talking and leave the other for someone else. And since I'm also into fist-fighting, I know what I'm getting into and also where I should stop. And I said I did not remember how and where Sidious kicks Savage at the comment's time, not I did not recall it being mentioned. But I remember Kenobi's, so yea, I only described his.
Shadow dropped one of the most wanted matchups ever?
A surprise, to be sure…but a welcome one.
The Emperor of the Galactic Empire vs the leader of the One Sith. This would be one hell of an interesting match up.
imagine both empires clash (Ge vs 1 sith leigon) I guarantee that the 1 sith would steamroll with thousands of darksiders force crushing and riping storm troopers to shreds at extreme speed and Darth Wyyrlok illusions would make the empire destroy itself fast. Darth Vader might get a few dozen sith killed them he'd be immobilized by 1000 force chokes all together.
@@abstraction6212 I think since Vader is extremely smart he might be able to beat warlock extremely high diff( looking like Vader v momin) but he ain't touching Krayt
@@Badblood226 as for everything else? we've seen how Jedi wipe out armies in micro series tcw, storm troopers and imperial forces have the worst survivability rates as fodder characters like dash rendar, mercenary Kyle Katarn and ewoks outsmarted and destroyed imperial forces like nothing, Starkiller a mid tier dark Jedi and Padawan level Kyle Katarn cleave through like nothing. And your dealing with the 1 sith the only sith order in existence to defeat Abeloth and Luke's NJO after his death putting them leagues beyond Khan's brotherhood or any other sith order in galactic history. They will just choke grind and electrocute imperial forces like nothing. Even a low powered force lightning one shots AT-AT Darth Trooper Phase 3 and star destroyer executor, and the force illusion mind r### the entire empire into insanity infighting or suicide will just make the war easier for the one sith.
To quote The Count himself, "I've been looking forward to this".
In the potential case of a Q@A I present some questions here
1: Call me an old man but I remember hearing the discussion of Krayt beating Sidious way back when during the Council Forcecast podcast episode titled “Darth Sidious is not invincible” How has your opinion of these two Sith evolved since that first discussion
2: What is your process for formatting your video scripts and what is your process for researching the powers of each character?
3: Looking back on all of Versus Series Season 7 as a whole. What matchup would you say you are most proud of and what character breakdown are you most proud of? (both can be separate)
4: What wisdom would you provide to any fledgling Versus Series creators who want to follow in your footsteps in making these videos?
Thank you for all of the wonderful videos all these years Evan, I wish you the best in life and I can’t wait to see what comes next.
Gosh I remember watching these like a decade ago. Happy to discover you’re still posting 👍
He and Jensaarai have never stopped
FUUUUUUUCKKKK YESSSSSSSS. from 7th grade to my third year of college, thanks Evan!
Been watching for about just as long! Good stuff.
Saying Krayt has better lightning just because Luke elected to dodge a possible lightning attack from him is a bit of a stretch considering the monolithic laundry list of feats attributed to how powerful Sidious' lightning is in comparison to his own. Flash-frying targets to skeletons, having to attain a level of mastery of the power as a prerequisite to learning how to conjure a Force Storm-it'd be more likely that Krayt is comparable to Palpatine in this regard, but putting it above Palpatine's on the basis of Luke wanting to dodge a *possible* lightning attack headed his way from Krayt...that's a bit much.
Wait did he say that? I thought he said the difference between krayt and sidious lightning wasn’t as large as people may think meaning he stil has palps above
Tbf Luke not wanting to get hit by an attack and moving is still crazy if it’s used as proof like mmost people tend to avoid things being aimed at them
it’s around 2:05:00
I think the difference comes in when comparing when he dodged the lightning attack; Jedi Knight Luke who actually begins to be as and even start to surpass his father while Grand Master Luke has surpassed his father and is the strongest Jedi.
Well krayt does have lightning feats he slaughtered an entire ship full of force resistant one with nothing but lightning as well as roasting a large group of rakghouls with one blast and there was probably close to two dozen of them just scorched out of existence. Also let’s not forget he had some much control over lightning that he he engulf people without even shocking them that’s a degree of control sidious never exhibited.
@AndreVeaseyJr the luke Skywalker papaltine faced was already stronger than vader as the return of the jedi novel said vader and luke are both equal dark empire luke Skywalker got alot stronger
Q&A Questions-
1. What is your general opinion on Darth Sidious as a character?
2. Since Jensaarai 1 made a dedicated profile video on Sidious’ martial techniques, have you considered making one on Grand Master Luke Skywalker?
3. Who is your favorite practitioner (confirmed or implied) of Form VI Niman?
1. Star Wars greatest villain
2. No
3. Exar Kunn
1. A villain you love to hate
2. No. He's so broken that Reborn Krayt is the only character that would be able to stand against him.
3. Revan
1) A fountain of memes. Very entertaining.
2) No?
3) Probably Exar Kun due to his innovations. One of a kind weapon and trakata really makes him a high risk high reward trickster.
1. If he was part of a lantern corps , he'd be an orange lantern.
2. An opposite of sidious, GM Luke Skywalker didn't fall behind his lightsaber skills and continued to improve on them alongside his power in the force.
3. Kao cen darach.
The best Star Wars Versus series of all time and the best star wars EU content ever made! Keep up the amazing work!🙌🙌
_The Ultimate Mastermind vs. The Ultimate Survivor..._
Finally, someone pays *Darth Krayt* attention, justice, and proper respect!
yup and I love the fact that this 2 hour video declared Krayt the winner.
Sidious imo is overrated and overexposed alot.
I'd also love to see a round 2 with the Entire galactic empire vs the entire rule of one sith, And I gotta tell ya the one sith having been scaled equal to Luke's NJO especially after Abeloth, Krayts army has a collosal god stomp
"A surprise to but sure but a welcome one."- Chancellor Palpatine
Well done fucking that up
I expected Dooku vs Malak, but this is much better thank you
Also how about Cadeus vs Revan I mean the parallels between them are countless
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner And also the fact that he's extremaly overrated by a large portion of the fans, although i tend to belive that old republic era characters tend to be really overrated by the fandome .
@@elfather2045 That's largely because SWTOR's mmo format allows for more visually impressive displays of power
@@elfather2045Same for NJO
Nailed it my man. Krayt is a completely different level of beast. Would love to see how you pair him with revan
First. A battle of Sith Lords. Nice to see Darth Krayt makes his return.
Good video but I disagree with the conclusion; Sidious gave too little praise and Krayt too much.
Scaling to Luke isn’t really viable because they never fought, not at all, Luke considered dodging his lightning because both of them were definitely exhausted from fighting a god-tier entity. The throne of balance is just another chosen-one-esque style thing, where instead of Anakin being the one to stop Sidious, it’s Luke stopping Krayt. Doesn’t mean they are equal in power.
Sidious buries an entire SSD with the force, mind wipes thousands of people, weakens DE Luke with mental attacks alone. How is this not mentioned more, clearly Sidious has the TK advantage, and he could probably affect Krayt to SOME degree with his mental abilities.
Sure DE luke outdueled Sidious, but as we know Sidious losing the saber combat doesn’t mean he’s lost the fight, he bested Yoda with the force and most likely could have overwhelmed Mace. He almost BENT the saber back into Mace’s body, stopped, pretended to be weak and then OBLITERATED Mace with the lightning right after. Palpatine takes the edge in lightning for sure, regardless of how many of Krayt’s minions have X feats with lightning; none of them can compare to this really.
Krayt’s dueling feats are overhyped, he never fought anyone of Yoda or Mace’s caliber, true Sidious may have lost to them, but he still damn well. DE Sidious is not ROTS sidious, but he’s surely improved his skills in the force and lightsaber combat; Vader never dared to challenge his master for a reason - even if OT Sidious hardly has any saber feats. So pre-prime Sidious is able to compete with Mace and Yoda, completely destroying Talzin in a saber duel when she was shown being able to hold off Mace briefly, but loses martial skill to Krayt? When Krayt has NO showings besides destroying multiple council members - who don’t have many feats themselves. Even if Palpatine “stunned” some of the council members they still got dispatched quickly, with Yoda and Mace being the only real matchups.
The force storm not being utilized in direct combat makes sense, but also doesn’t. Yes, Sheev got cut off from the storm, so it destroyed him. But if he wasn't cut off it would have never destroyed him, we see him make multiple, with one of them TELEPORTING organic matter from one side of the galaxy to the next. Realistically if hes able to pop even a lesser one off as a ditch attempt; Krayt is obliterated.
Extra: Sidious isn’t that physically weak, he takes a kick from Savage, who is a literal tank shown to body Dooku around multiple times.
Extra PT 2: bold of you to assume Krayt would even get close enough to Sidious to utilize dark transfer, and it requires a lot of power.
I feel that overall while Krayt is an excellent duelist, Sidious is simply better due to who he’s fought - he’s also not that physically superior to Sidious overwhelmingly - Sidious is definitely faster (once again due to who he has fought). Krayt is inferior in the force in RAW Power, and overall mastery. Sidious has too many feats to lose in a fight, even if he may fail to have a higher mastery at dueling, he cooks Krayt with the force in the end.
Sidious solos
DE luke had help from Leia battle meditation and anakin solo
Nah krayt stomps
@@adig2414 No.
This was so good man. I’ve been watching you since Primary School, and not only is it insane that you’re still going
It’s insane that your content has gotten so much better, it’s honestly so cool to see. Thank you for all the memories man, I still remember first seeing the Galen Marek vs Ashoka video which introduced me to you. ^-^
The anticipation … the excitement … I can feel it … UNLIMITED POWER !!!
HE’S BACK, BABY! 6 months well spent, I say!
This is a dream Match up🔥
Best Star Wars UA-camr is back yay!!!
Scary crab man beats up an old politician.
More like a hedgehog
Q&A:
1.) would you do a revised Sidious vs Vitiate video? We’ve learned so much more about Vitiate since you did your original one and I think your view of Sidious has evolved a great deal.
2.) how would you feel about a Caedus vs Krayt match up? I think they match each other very well.
3.) do you think sidious could’ve matched Krayt’s feats against Abeloth?
4.) do you think that the claims stating “____ is the most powerful Sith Lord” hold any validity? They throw claims like that around non stop. It does a disservice to rely too heavily on them. People think that just because one is further down the Rule of Two line they’re automatically more powerful than earlier ones which is illogical for multiple reasons, one being that later Sith used treachery more often than an actual duel which is what Bane intended, thereby negating one’s inferiority and skirting direct power leveling.
Thanks for the video it was absolutely fantastic. I disagree with a couple of the points but overall you make a very compelling argument for Krayt.
LESGOOO I'VE BEEN WANTING TO SEE YOU COVER SIDIOUS FOR SO LONG
Saving this for the second I'm back home, love your stuff as always man.
never stop making videos Evan! your our hero! You and Connor are our old Ben and Yoda, the last in your generation of Versus Battlers that set the standard!
You’re a GOAT for this.
HOLY COW!!!!! This is one I've wanted for a long time but never thought we'd get. Can't wait to listen
Q/A Questions and Criticism:
Half way through. Whilst I love the video so far, The idea of scaling Krayts's LIGHTSABER combat to the Abeloth fight when he didn't even have a lightsaber is ridiculous. Hand to Hand Martial Arts ability? of course. But that has nothing to do with lightsaber ability.
Seriously: What does throwing a mean Right Hook have to do with fencing. Especially against a weakened opponent who is literally getting double teamed.
Edit 2: We really gonna give Krayt that "lightsaber feat" but you won't mention literally every Jedi to ever live was needed to suppress Palpatine from respawning?
2:16:14 See this is my big issue with this whole thing. Evan doesn't have the feats so he just cross scale abilities which is utterly ridiculous. "Strongest of [Blank]" only supports a general title of strongest, you can't just plug it in for non-existing feats
Edit 4: So Evan takes Palpatine's necromancy (even tho a "neutral planet" still should have graves somewhere), he doesn't get midichlorian manipulation, he doesn't literally get his respawns which is apart of his kit. But Krayt get's to be turbo wanked off tag teaming a super weak Abeloth to the point somehow his lightsabers scale in a fist fight. . . . sure.
2:19:30 Again. Sidious had to be restrained by EVERY Jedi to ever live. . . Gee I wonder who wins the force transfer duel between the two.
2:22:25 That's just blatantly a misrepresentation. Your own panels show Sidious was literally CUT OFF from the Force. So of course he would be destroyed by the storm. How does that even apply to this fight
Conclusion: I am highly disappointed. Having watched the entire video, repeatedly I've seen the least charitable opinions possible for Sidious, whilst on the other end Krayt receiving a ridiculous amount of charitable interpretations. I firmly believe that without that nonsense Abeloth lightsaber scale (when literally no one there had a lightsaber), and actually giving Sidious the Force Storm (as he isn't force severed) then Krayt would be forced to lose. Oh and Sidious is always going to win with having basically the greatest force transfer argument in the verse.
Wow. Thanks. Made me resign from watching the video and wasting 2 hours of my time!
Force Storm isn't an ability that can really be used in a duel. Its not that precise, its TOO large scale. Also, while your argument about Krayt's Abeloth fight not scaling to his lightsaber technique seems sound on the surface, Krayt uses hand-to-hand combat in his lightsaber fights all the time and the levels of physical enhancement obviously still apply, as does any skill with general combat skills such as distance, timing, and reading your opponent's incoming attacks. On top of that, Sidious's lightsaber skills likely atrophied (at the very least they didn't grow) between RotS and DE (unless you think that DE Luke was an equal or superior duelist to Mace and Yoda), which in my mind makes Krayt's superiority over him in lightsaber combat evident.
But, I do agree with you that Sidious would win an Essence Transfer duel between the two of them due to more familiarity with the technique if nothing else. That "All the Jedi to have every lived will hold him back" is really telling. So while I think Krayt would win the fight, it is probably that Sidious could win the war by stealing his body.
@@wanderingshade8383 Whilst I’m glad we can agree with certain things. On that Hand to Hand thing. It still doesn’t tell you how good of. A duelist you are, punching a horror monster and actually wielding a sword are not the same skill and those skills do not transfer on a 1 - 1 level. This is coming from someone who’s done fencing and martial arts for the better part of a decade.
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 They certainly do not transfer 1-1, yes. I agree. Some baseline fundamentals do transfer over, but its not much. I've also done some fencing and martial arts, so I also know what I'm talking about, though admittedly I haven't done both at the same time and not for most of a decade either.
Regardless, I think Krayt's showings even discounting his Abeloth feat show him as a superior duelist to ol' Palpy, when looking at Sidious in DE anyway. In RotS...maybe not. Maybe.
I find the Krayt scaling to Luke based on the Beyond Shadows fight questionable in general.
-Beyond Shadows isn’t the same as a normal fight, so the mechanics of the entire thing are murky, not directly transferable to a real world fight
-Luke was the one mainly fighting Abeloth, whereas Krayt played a supportive role in that fight, attacking “from the side” and with Luke’s support in pinning her, etc. Krayt never took her on directly or alone like Luke has multiple times. It’s hard to say definitively that Palpatine, Yoda or KFV Vader wouldn’t do as well or even better than Krayt in the same Beyond Shadows situations.
-Luke was exhausted after near constant encounters with Abeloth and the Sith in the real world, Krayt was fresh
-Beyond Shadows also contained a Dark Side Nexus, arguably benefitting Krayt
Krayt is strong, but his showings against someone like Cade Skywalker/Wyyrlok IMO don’t seem to scale to Palpatine level, and the Beyond Shadows fight doesn’t prove much in a clear way IMO.
Also, Storm may not be a precision ability but Palpatine has much more versatility than Krayt even by Evan’s own admission, so it wouldn’t be that hard for him to use some powers to get some distance from Krayt and pull off a force storm IMO. Though I personally don’t think he needs it. His lightsaber showings are comparable if not better than Krayt’s IMO (he clapped early DE Luke in seconds who was already stated to be at the level of any previous Jedi, Cade has no such scalings, late DE Luke was arguably amped and even then couldn’t resist his force powers alone) and same for his force powers.
Holy shit i just realized ive been subscribed to you for almost 10 years.
Hell yeah, a versus where Krayt’s body isn’t going to kneecap his viability! This is gonna be good
I was not expecting this one
Well Evan you've set the stage well for the next step. We need GM Luke v. Krayt.
Agreed
If we take base Crucible Luke Skywalker he should win. With immense difficulty tho. With the monolith energy amplification he low diffs
No, we don’t. Luke wins…
My thoughts exactly. We need GM Luke.
@@TinyToraha better idea a rematch with sidious and Krayt but this time it's the one sith vs the entire galactic empire (including the Inquisitors, lumaya and starkiller)
And safe to say the One Sith Being on Luke's NJO level would curbstomp the empire effortlessly force waving and destroying a whole bunch of Storm troopers and ATATs and Star destroyers as possible. Vader might get a few dozen of Krayts sith killed but then Hell be embolized by 1000+ force chokes all together. then Krayt uses Darth Transfer then Krayt kills sidious then the remaining empire along with Krayts ROO will bow down to the true emperor.
Evan!! Great to see you back, I cannot wait to listen to this new installment
41:09 Again Vastor does not scale to ROTS Anakin. The Anakin in that novel is literally ATOC anakin who gets utterly obliterated by his rots counterpart. That is like scaling a literal child to a full grown adult numerous sources state Anakin's ATOC power was vastly surpassed by Anakin a few months into the war to the point he is basically a completely different person. Kar Vastor does not scale to rots Anakin the difference is so vast its ridiculous
Or otherwise the novel means Clone Wars Anakin
@@lapplandkun9273 Its still him shortly after the war starts
W video. Idk if i completely agree with the outcome but amazing analysis. As for ideas I mentioned it once but Darth Thanaton vs Inquisitor Jerec just sits right with me for some reason. Glad to see this finally released. Amazing work :)
An interesting matchup: Clash of the Dark Side Scholars. Even though both combatants were primarily Force duelists, Jerec gets the martial edge, though I doubt a fight between these two would be a lightsaber battle.
In regards to raw Force power level, I’d say they’re comparable in strength. Ultimately, I think that Thanaton would ultimately win. His Force shields allows him to defend himself against Jerec’s Force Destruction and Thanaton’s lightning is more developed and stronger. As the head of the Sphere of Ancient Knowledge, Thanaton likely familiarized himself with mental techniques to defend against Jerec’s Force Suppression ability, thus keeping his basis covered.
Well said my friend, well said.
Fun idea, both dark side scholars with force abilities being the deciding factor.
In terms of power, Id give an edge to Thanaton. Jerec is comp to Dooku, Thanatos to Malgus. But Jerec is still powerful enough to contend quite well. But consume essence can make up the power difference if Thanatos does full dark side channeling.
Jerec has outs to everything Thanaton throws at him. advanced sense abilities + battlemind handles telepathy, tutaminis handles lightning, solid tk barriers for tk. And then Jerec busts out force destruction which Thanatos has no idea how to deal with. His active force shield could guard against it, but im unsure how Thanaton would predict to that in the first place.
Add on top of jerec's advantage as a swordsman, and I think Jerec has the odds to pull a win.
SNEAK ATTACK!!!! And with my favorite reigning Sith Lord! Darth Krayt is a beast! The Legacy era is my favorite and I’m glad you show it love
Remain one of your biggest fans! This video rocks! Darth Krayt is one my favorite Sith, and definitely my favorite reigning Sith Lord.
Never in my life have I needed something so much in my life until I’ve recieved it.
This is the grandest fight of the Legends universe. The Final bosses of that universe.
Sorry, but I disagree with the verdict. Luke and Krayt may fight alongside each other against Abeloth, but Luke clearly did much more of the heavywork compared to Krayt. Yes, Krayt closed the gap significantly following his resurrection, but he still isn't quite yet a peer to Luke, though at this point he is powerful enough to put up a good fight.
Sidious is just better than Krayt as a duelist, though as a force wielder Krayt is powerful enough to contend, but Sidious still edges out in raw power and versatility. Krayt's only advantages are his martial arts skills and physicality.
It's a good fight, but DE Palpatine wins 9/10 times, with 1/10 times if Krayt manages to touch Palpatine with Dark Transfer.
EDIT: I agree with the sentiment that Palpatine is given too little credit while Krayt is overhyped. There's many flaws in this video similar to Vader vs Caedus (with Caedus getting too little credit), and Plageuis vs Kenobi (with Plageuis getting downplayed and Kenobi getting too much credit). Really, this video can be boiled down to 'Krayt is comparable to Luke therefore he wins', based on a dishonest analysis on their fight against Abeloth.
This is Master Level Supreme Analysis Evan!! You have master the force of Vs Videos!
Been waiting for this one since the Council Forecast pondered it 8 years ago. I'm sure it won't disappointi!
I’ve been a fan over several years and I’m very happy about this vid it’s good to have you back Evannova95! Also I love this match up it’s my two favorite darksiders besides Malgus and Vader.
Good seeing you back, Evan!
Excellent analysis. Q&A:
1. In your vid discussing Sith Lords that didn’t use red lightsabers, jensaarai bought up a theory of the trophy blades used by Sidious in Dark Empire that they’re the blades of Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto. Do you believe that theory is true or no?
2. A Star Wars character I feel is very underrepresented in the versus community is Darth Traya. What are your thoughts on Darth Traya as a character? If you ever decided to feature her in a match, who would you put her up against?
3. This is in reference to your Ahsoka vs Galen Marek vid from a while ago. Would you say your opinion on the outcome of that match has changed over years given how much development Ahsoka has had (Tales of the Jedi, Clone Wars Season 7, Rebels, and Ahsoka Season 1)?
Almost all of Ahsoka’s development and appearances that you are thinking of are Disney canon only and he use’s legends. Thus it would not apply to legends as it never happened in this continuity.
@@flipout216also even then if we use legends cosmology for canon, Ahsoka still isn’t strong enough. She lasts longer against marek but still gets hammered to oblivion because of his massive advantage as a force wielder. The new stuff only gave her minor improvements, such as being more niman oriented than Ataru, active force shields and a level of ability with tutaminis though not on the level of lightning. Marek still holds the advantage in all areas. He does everything she does, and then a bunch more
F*CK YES! THIS IS SO GOATED!!
Sidious wins evan missed a lot of the more potent sidious TP…
Q and A
In your opinion who win between Darth Kraty and Darth Cadeus?
Two if instead of a fight what do you think Darth Kraty and Darth Cadeus would think of each other and their plans if they had a actual conversation with each other.
Finally, three do you think Darth Kraty waited hundreds of years after Luke died or began his plans? I don't think Kraty was necessarily scared of Luke or his order but was generally wary of him and knew Luke order was still in its prime with powerful memories like Kyle Katarn and Jaina solo. I don't think it makes Kraty a coward, and if anything was a good intelligent feat to wait,for the biggest threat to his plans to die of old age then strike when the time was right with his forces. What do you think?
Sidious vs Krayt has to be the ultimate mashup
What a pleasant surprise. Haven't watched since I made a new UA-cam. Last video I watched was you talking about Kol Skywalker. Good times. Glad I found the channel again
Your versus videos are the best in all the social media! Not only do you do deep research for the characters, but you also choose very wisely! Sometimes I might not agree with the winner, but opinions differ.
Congratulations for choosing 2 awesome villains, greetings from Greece!
I think it is a really good matchup with really good execution. It does annoy me though because in my opinion Sidious is the ultimate enemy and it just ended up fueling power creep in Star Wars. It also annoys me that the only way he is stronger is by the lake of apparitions fight.
I do think there are some things that should be mentioned though. One of the reasons they were able to defeat Abeloth was by using a combined power of both the light and the dark side energy. Krayt also kinda stood back at least initially and let Luke do a lot of the fighting. They were not putting in equal effort. I also think that it is possible that Sidious would be able to compensate instead of krayt. I don’t think it would change the outcome but I do think Sidious should have one the force power catigory. It might not win him the match but I do think that Krayt wins force powers on a little sketchy logic. This might be my own bias but I think that Sidious’s feet’s are more consistent. I do agree with his lightsaber ability and physical attributes. I think those parts were done really well. I would be really interested in the fight Darth Krayt vs. Darth Cidous though I think that match has a lot of potential.
It's not a bias, a huge fan of Legacy here and I agree 100% with that. Imho his take on Krayt from the older "Bane vs Krayt" video is fare more accurate.
I could see that. I would argue that his existing feet’s would pretty solidly put him above Bane but I can see your point.
@@ChristopherL-nw8wr Of course, he is above Bane and after rebirth surely closer to Sidious in power, but that video didn't overestimate him like this one. He rightfully wins that matchup of course.
Yeah you’re right.
Christmas came early
Yes!!! Something worth watching lol. Welcome back! Plus two of my favorites Sith going at it
Time for this then Takes if the Jedi. Thank you, Evan!
Good to see you still putting out AWESOME content Evannova95 !! Such a golden era back in the day with you, Antoine Bendele and Jensarai
Here are my questions for if you do a Q&A for this:
1. Would you ever consider doing a verses with Ben Skywalker? Out of all the Skywalker descendants, he's is the least explored when it comes to fighting skills
2. Would you ever consider doing a video about how Disney broke the Force? I'm not sure if such a video topic is your style or not, but its something to consider.
3. What are your thoughts on the fan theory that Galen Marek and the Starkiller Clone are one in the same? As in Galen survived and was simply tricked into thinking he was clone.
And how exactly did Disney break the Force?
@@lativ3715How ??? By making virtually everyone capable of using it, disregarding training or attitude. Look no further than Rey or Sabine ffs
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Exactly
@@yrooxrksvi7142honestly, Sabine was a much better character when she was just a regular mandalorian. They completely ruined and butchered her, and this retcon makes no sense because it also destroys Rebels as a show because why didn’t kanan sense her force sensitivity when he was able to sense Ezra and even fucking Vader. But then again, this is Disney. Of course they don’t have to make sense
They should’ve instead built up on the first mandalorian Jedi wielding the dark saber and have some distant descendant mandalorian finding his or her way in the galaxy after the Empire.
WELCOME BACK BROTHER
Can't wait to see more content from you, the number 1 star wars versus series creator
OH MY GOD YOU FINALLY DID IT!
One match I honestly would have loved to see!
Can you do Darth Bane vs Darth Malak?
Path of Destruction Bane or Dynasty of Evil Bane?
@@darylsdesigns6679 DOE
Then, I’d put my credits on Bane. He may be roughly a decade older than Malak, he’s easily physically stronger and tougher and can match his speed and reflexes. Malak’s one-handed Juyo leaves him vulnerable to counterattacks, something Bane’s Forms V and III could capitalize on. Bane’s TK and Force lightning are far more devastating and if Malak attempts to use Force stun, Bane can muscle through it
@@GamingBickle Bane mid difficulty.
I feel like It’s pretty universally stated by most material that Sidious is the most powerful sith to ever live, however by the scaling logic, would that make Krayt the most powerful Sith Lord in the Star Wars universe period?
If there is going to be a Q&A video I have two questions.
1.) I noticed you mentioned you fully intend to cover Leia next season. Would you be inclined to consider putting her up against Satele Shan since they both have the similarities of being blue lightsaber wielding female Jedi who also happen to be mothers.
2.) While I absolutely agree about your point about Sidious being unable to control his force storms I have a rebuttal to that. Would Sidious' inability to "control" the force storm was limited really discredit the fact that he could conjure the storms at all especially since you did mention that the power requires incredible time and training to even pull off. I'm not disagreeing with just something I was curious about.
Holy Crap, now that's a match up of the century.
Easily my most anticipated Star Wars Versus matchup since Antoine's Yoda vs Luke Skywalker.
Q&A Question-
I only now wonder how either combatant could deal with someone like Darth Caedus ?
My versus idea for next season would be
Satele Shan vs Revan (great granddaughter vs grandfather )
Mara Jade Skywalker Vs Galen Marek ( Sith Assassins for general combat)
Shaak Tii vs Darth Malak (Form 2&4 masters)
Finally a smart UA-camr understands krayt
I would love to see these have a come back
I personally would give it to Darth Krayt, he rivaled Luke at a Point where he was much more experienced than during DE when beating prime Sidious. It only make sense that Krayt should outscale Sidious.
Time to Watch the Video. Keep up the Great work and May the Force be with you !
Facts
Where did he ever rival Luke? They never fought, were never scaled and never was it even implied that they were equals in power or combat.
Fighting a severely weakened celestial together does not mean that they are equals.
@@DropkickNation it has been stated clearly that they were equals at that point. Luke Even feared Krayt. Krayt is at least on Par if Not a league above luke.
@@abeloth1116 Where and when was there ever power scaling? There was never a direct comparison.
@@abeloth1116 Krayt didn't 'rival' GM Luke, no.
I do recall making this suggestion years ago. Though I know it wasn't just a request on my end, I'm so glad I finally got to see the match up I've been wanting for such a long time. Thanks again for this, Evan. I cant imagine the massive undertaking it took to make thisbpossible. Nevertheless, every second of it was amazing. Can't wait to see your future projects. Stay safe and May the Force be with you.
Q&A Questions:
1. Would you be interested in doing these following match ups?
Darth Sidious vs Vitiate (Sith Emperors)
Cin Drallig and Serra Keto vs Kao Cen Darach and Satele Shan (Battle Masters and acrobatic students)
Darth Vader vs Revan (Former Jedi turned Sith)
Mara Jade vs Galen Marek (Trained by the Sith)
2. Who do you think is the most underrated Jedi and Sith in your opinion?
3. Is it possible to do match ups of two characters who are the same but different versions of themselves (example: Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader)?
N with that Darth Krayt gains the revenge he so wanted back when he was a Jedi noice
Hett is one of my favourite characters of all Star Wars, though, not as his sith version, but as a Tusken/Jedi, a completely unique individual in the galaxy, having survived order 66 and returned to his old home with the people he cared for and pretty much turned himself into a freedom figther for Tattoine. He was so cool.
Also, Obiwan really has to stop cutting the limbs of his opponents and leaving them to die, Which is even more cruel than finishing them.
Yeah Obi-Wan has a bad habit of cutting off limbs and causing that person to become a significant nuisance to the galaxy later on doesn’t he 😂
It was such an epic scal annalyse! I was entrance by your video nearly from begining through the end. In my opinion, you done an amazing job! It's a masterpiece !
This is where the fun begins.
You know, Sidious might not have been THE most powerful Sith Lord to ever live, but he was still the ultimate product of Sith doctrine. Darth Krayt, for all his power, had some ideology concerning the Galaxy, even if it was twisted. Sidious, however, had no greater ideology in mind. He was devoted purely towards his own gain; everything else was fodder. He was THE Sith Lord, as close to pure evil as it’s possible to be.
Funny thing is… I LITERALLY just thought of a matchup between these two literally YESTERDAY!!!!!! Haven’t even watched the video yet but had to say this
Oh dayum i’ve waited 10 years for this! And it will have to wait until tomorrow as 2+ hrs is one hell of a demand😂😂 looking forward though, thankyou Evan
This must be the mother of all Versus videos, and I'm all for it.
Might be the best surpise I've ever seen in my life.
Damn, I felt the disturbance in the force - but this is a legendary present after a day in the office. I mean what can even top this match up? A three-way battle between those to plus Vitiate? Amazing as always, man!
Great video, Evan! Everything that I had expected and more!
A couple of questions:
1. Would you ever consider bringing in a more unorthodox character like Darth Nihlus, for example? If so, who would you consider pitting him against? If not, would you do a discussion video about the particulars of his power set and scaling?
2. A follow-up, do you think that it is possible for ordinary force users to resist Nihlus’s drain abilities, or would it require an exceptionally powerful force user to resist? Or do you think that there is no one, with the exception of Meetra Surik, who can even stand up for long enough to kill him?
3. I remember in season 6 that you did a huge team battle. Would that be something that you would consider doing again, or is that something that is not really under consideration?
Also, I was going to ask about Palpatine and Krayt, but you seemingly could sense my intentions and curiosity on the subject. A true Jedi master.
Evan and his friends already said in the past why they don't make versus battles with Nihilus. He is the ultimate manifestation of feast or famine... both figuratively and metaphorically.
He either one shots you and drains you, or he is overpowered or negated in the case of the exile. Basically a matchup entirely decided by power levels the first few minutes.
Hey it's finally out! Congratulations Evan!
YEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! SO EXCITED FOR THIS ONE
What a treat, a 2 hour feast of some of the coolest Sith Lords to ever Sith going at it in a brawl at their respective peaks.
The Duel of the Sith Emperors is about to commence! May the Powers of the Dark Side commence... 😈
The Strongest Sith in History versus The Dragon of the Sith (that title goes so hard)
Palpatine: "If he got rid of his Yuuzhan Vong armor and regained all of his power, it would be a bit difficult"
"Would you lose?"
Palpatine: "Nah, I'd win"
He would, in fact, not win 💀
I greatly appreciate the loyalty to EU Canon. Too many Star Wars creators reference “disney canon” which was made by people who hate Star Wars and its fanbase.
I'm impressed by the effort ypu put into this, as always, however, you underestimated Sidious quite a lot IMO.
Dark Empire sourcebook clearly states, Palpatine secretly ran the entire Galactic Empire through the Dark Side. The other thing is, his Force Storm could obliterate entire Planets, which Luke himself wrote (you said this yourself in one of your older videos). Him feeding on Byss and turning it into a Force nexus years before DE is also quite a feat. Not to mention, people often forget it was Palpatine's defeat at Endor that restored Balance to the Force. That implies Sidious was the culmination of all Dark Side influences in the Galaxy of prior millenia.
The biggest mistake you make is following the "surpassing DE Luke is all it takes to be above Sidious" approach. It's far more naunced than that. It's not just about Leia's Force aid. Palpatine was nerfed by jis own mind, just like Vader on DS2. Only this time it was lack of controll that doomed the Sith.
And to say, that Darth Caedus surpassed Darth Sidious is a monstrous exagerration. Firstly, "The most powrrfull of the Sith Lords" statement comes from an unpublished novel, secondly, it surely referes to the Sith alive at that point in time, that being early One Sith and the Lost Tribe. The evidence is basically everywhere. Caedus is always compared to his grandfather in Force power, never to Palpatine himself.
As for Krayt's feat of taking on nerfed Abeloth with Luke, it doesn't make him more powerfull than Sidious, ESPECIALLY if we follow the unpublished "Blood Oath" statement about Caedus, who was above Krayt barely 2 years prior according to it, yet stood no chance against Grand Master Skywalker. Consider that and it’s eitehr apparent, that scalling in SW is broken or Krayt was clearly not on paar with Luke. + From what I remember the text implies Luke did most of the work in this fight.
All in all I love your videos, but it seems to me, that you began to overestimate pretty much every single character from Post-ROTJ timeline. Your Darth Krayt vs Darth Bane video from almost a decade ago is far more accurate the way I see it, in spite of being multiple times shorter. Krayt rightfully gets the edge in that matchup by the way.
1. Force nexuses are not great depictions of combative viability. As he said with Force Storm, large scale force abilities are highly impractical for 1 on 1 combat. Plus, if Shaak Ti is able to make a force nexus, Palpatine obviously can. It’s not much of a noteworthy feat.
2. Sure, but considering how far Luke got after Dark Empire, even if Sidious was mentally hampered…he’s not winning at full power against LOTF/FOTJ Luke.
3. No it isn’t. The One Sith were barely even around by this point, and the Lost Tribe DID NOT EVEN EXIST YET, only being revealed in FOTJ. This is very clearly referring to the previous Sith, which includes Palpatine at the height of his power. And he is compared to his grandfather as FAR exceeding him. The man who was stated as 3/4ths of Palpatine, mind you.
@@goroakechi6126Why do the best star wars debaters such as darth ant, ethan, etc all who represent krayt for like a decade never assert any of this along with anyone on suspect insight forums? I recommend you go to them with these concerns, they have a site
@@goroakechi6126 "As he said with Force Storm, large scale Force abilities highly impractical for 1 on 1 combat..."
They aren't, though. There's nothing really stopping Sidious from using Force Storms in combat; he can summon them in seconds flat, and he is very capable of tailoring the amount of damage they do and to who. It'd be about as simple as teleporting a safe distance away to summon one, and then that's all she wrote.
"Plus, if Shaak Ti is able to make a Force nexus..."
She wasn't.
"It's not much of a noteworthy fest..."
Lmfao. Making Force nexi with your passive presence, including some of the most powerful in existence, is very much a noteworthy feat; as is the fact that, by the time of the OT, Sidious was quite literally a walking, talking, breathing Dark Side nexus and was closer to an energy being than of flesh and blood, and could passively tear apart the fabric of space.
"Sure, but considering how far Luke got after Dark Empire...(snip)"
While I don't personally buy it, there very much IS a compelling argument to be made that Darth Sidious (and arguably Tenebrae) are characters that, for all intents and purposes, can't actually be beaten by any one, single other person (bar perhaps themselves), especially when it comes to Jedi. There's a rather consistent theme throughout much of Star Wars when it comes to top-tier Sith/Dark Side users, and Valk and Sidious especially, that they can't truly be beaten by conventional force (no pun intended). You don't really have to look further than Dark Empire itself for an obvious example; the entire point of the end sequence of DE 1 is that neither Luke nor Leia nor anyone else could ever even vaguely hope to match the Galactic Emperor alone; it was by joining themselves together, and by joining themselves to the greater Force in its entirety, understanding the power of connection and luminous beings and love (I.E., Oneness, for all intents and practical purposes) that they were able to temporarily sever the Emperor's control over his Storms that let them not just survive, but win. Its rather implicitly obvious from the comic and other material that, if it wasn't for this, they were going to die. Palpatine had his hand raised and ready to use Force Lightning, and Luke didn't even attempt to try to approach him or finish him off despite the fact that he was, quote literally, unarmed; based off the statements about Palpatine's true mature by that point, specifically the bit about him 'passively tearing apart the fabric of space and destroying flesh and machine', it's not unlikely that Luke would have literally died even trying to get close to him. Palpatine was likely orders of magntiude stronger than him still in the Force by DE.
"This is clearly referring to the previous Sith which includes Palpatine at his height..."
Neither Krayt nor Caedus have any real supremacy quotes so far as I'm aware, bar a blurb that Caedus is better than Vader, which isn't really saying much, as suited Vader isn't very impressive.
"The man who was stated 3/4th's of Palpatine mind you..."
Suit Vader isn't even vaguely close to Palpatine's level, no. This is a very, very consistent throughout the entire of the old canon of SW, and it's very much a Lucas approved stance; suit Vader is a pale shadow of what he once was, and Sidious is more or less capable of ragdolling him if push comes to shove. There's a rather amusing Lucas quote I could pull out for you that illustrates the intention behind their dynamic very well, if you want. It's addressing what would have happened if Vader hadn't blocked Lule's swing at Palpatine in ROTJ; it goes more or less something to the effect that he would have blocked it with the Force or some such, would have been very annoyed that Vader missed his que, and that he could have ended matters at any time by 'simply raising his hand and that'd be it', to paraphrase slightly.
Yoo this is awesome! Was totally not expecting this, so hyped for this one!!!
Evan, please do Vestara Khai vs Darth Zannah....or even Ben Skywalker vs Anakin Solo.
I'd love either or even both.
Oh I can just tell this us going to be a very enjoyable experience regardless of who of these completely overpowered Sith gods win.
At long last, Sidious has met his match. Excellent work, even if the length is a bit much for even a versus video (was still definitely worth the wait)!
On a slightly unrelated note, have you ever considered doing the occasional crossover versus? I understand that a TON more research would be required for something like that, but perhaps that could be counteracted by utilizing the character from another IP in a mini-marathon akin to what you did with Darth Malgus this season?
Example: Isabelle Arrington from SapphireFoxx
Isabelle Arrington vs. Dark Empire Luke Skywalker
Isabelle Arrington vs Adult Ahsoka Tano
Isabelle Arrington vs. Anakin Solo
Who's Isabelle Arrington ? And how powerful is she for you to think it's a fair comparison to put him at the level of the people your comparing her to
@@user-lp8im7ow8s Isabelle Arrington is a powerful sorceress and one of the main characters of the Main SapphireFoxx Universe/Canon SapphireFoxx timeline. In terms of power, she has some major feats under her belt even prior to her prime, partially thanks to her training under Alistair. In terms of telepathy, Isabelle has used using Mass Memory Alter on over 2,000 people across the globe simultaneously. As for telekinesis, she has been seen levitating a 747 jumbo jet, as well as morphing chunks of asphalt pavement into a pair of floating hands, both more impressive than anything Dark Empire Luke has achieved in this field. That's not to mention Isabelle's insane teleportation capabilities, being part of the Sapphire bloodline.
Darth Krayt is like the Griffith of Star Wars
Evan you beautiful bastard. I never expected this masterpiece for the season finale. May the force be with you
Alright Evan, here I have some questions for the follow-up video.
1. Do you plan to make Versus Series of other franchises you love outside Star Wars in a near future? Example: Naruto or Avatar TLA/LOK or Dragon Ball.
2. Do you believe that Luke underestimated Krayt after the Abeloth fight, especially for delivering him that warning?
3. Is there a possiblity that you would do a Versus Series involving non-force sensitive characters or bounty hunters in general in the near future? Ex: Grievous vs. Boba Fett (Legends for both) or Shae Vizla vs. Bo Katan.
4. If Sidious did hypothetically manage to be in the period of the Abeloth Event, would he be able to accomplish Krayt's feats or not?
5. Would you do a powerscaling for the One-Sith Order?
This channel is always a good place to revisit 👏
Absolute mastercraft of a video and in my opinion the best verses video I've ever seen on youtube period. Hoping we get Darth Krayt vs Valkorion/ vitiate next
oh shoot ive been looking forward to this i always listen to your stuff at night when im trying to sleep helps quiet the adhd racing mind this is going to be legend tier
OH YEAH! Don't care about the outcome. All I know is that this video will be amazing in every way.