Apache Talks with Grand doughter of Nachez, Elbys Hugar(Chiricahua)
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2008
- Nachez fought together with Geronimo and kept on fighting until 1896 when they surrendered in the Sierra Madre Moutains. Elbys Hugar(Chiricahua)
from the Mescalero Reservation, is talking to us.
She taught the
actors in the movie "The Missing",the Apache
Language for the useage in the movie.
Nachez was son of the great worier Cochise.
Elbys was my great aunt she was married to my grandmothers brother Charles. Spent a week at there home in 2005. She was such a wonderful lady I learned a lot about her and her peoples history. Wish I could of gotten to back one more time before they both passed
Thank you, may God bless you and your families....
Tony Parrish..... Cochise County AZ
My father is Santos manga Colorado we are relative and Naiche. Cochise. You are not alone.
I named my son after Chief Cochise. A great man who always kept his word; unlike the whites. Happy Birthday Geronimo!!!
Not all whites are liars and thieves - I am white, I have fought for the sovereign rights and the land and the non-christian native religions of Mescalero, Chiricahua, Tohono O'odham, Pima, Pascua Yaqui, White Mountain Apache, San Carlos Apache, Sobaipuri, Hopi, Zuni, Tewa, Tijua, Tonto Apache, Comanche, Pueblo Indians, Colorado River Indians, Utes, Paiute, Shoshoni, Arapahoe, and Sioux my entire life and I never lie nor do I ever go back on a promise - Not all White People are evil .. Not all whites are out to destroy Native America ~ #BradHartliep 2024 US President
are u native?
Cochise kept his word...so did General Oliver O Howard...so did John Clum...unlike Geronimo...Taza should have been leader not Geronimo...Geronimo is the reason the Chiricahua went to Florida...
@@curtismes Geronimo is the reason half of the chiricahua are alive. He was not perfect, but he was very very good and tried real hard, harder than most people could even comprehend to save his people.
@@johndunn9819 had he simply not fled the rez in 1885 he would have grown old on Turkey Creek...raised his children in freedom with the White Mtn Apache...whom are thriving btw in the prettiest place in Az....Geronimo is the reason they were sent to Florida...they could have thrived on the white mtn rez...prettiest country in Az...nobody was bothering them on Turkey Creek.
RIP Elbys Hugar!! Great loss to all of the Mashgale and all Nde people!
She looks and talks exactly like my grandma
I was going to post the same thing.
Excelente la información, poco a poco estoy descubriendo mis raíces. Thank you Knut W. Jorfald.
good to see a lot of indian people online.
@myspacecomaffwj Great that you named your son after Chief Cochise! I wish him a happy life !
Such beautiful people if you can find one to capture their beauty.
Awesome
Our of living and our is better because we need for grandkids i know I do same show our way my kids and grandkids they need to know I hear our grand parents way
i don't know if this strong lady is still alive, but all i can say is that she have a lot of alive relatives in Arizpe, Moctezuma and Sahuaripa in Sonora, there are a lot of descendants of José Lorenzo Félix nicknamed "Mangas Coloradas", same as José, alias "Coché" (Cochise) and his youngest brother Pluma Blanca or "Juan el Apache" (Juan Figueroa)....there are a lot of grand-grandsons or relatives in Janos, Chihuahua. I think that reservation Apaches should try to make more links with their relatives apaches that survived in the Sierra Madre of Sonora and Chihuahua.
.Arizpeer er byen Geronimo og Chiricahuaene angrep som hevn for slaktinga av bl.annet Geronimos familie utenfor Janos( Kaskieh). Det var ved
Arizpe Goyakla fikk navnet Geronimo. Han lå jo ei uke oppe i åsen utafor byen.Notere alle vaktrutinene og hvor mange soldater som var stasjonert der. Dro så
nord for grensa og samlet en styrke på nesten 300 krigere og angrep Arizpe i et dødelig angrep med en knipetang manøver
som lurte de meksikanske soldatene inn i en felle. I dødsangst og frykt påkalte de helgenen Jeremias, på spansk Santa Geronimo. Dette synes apachene var artig og etter den vellykkede hevnaksjonen ble vår mann bare kalt Geronimo. Det var soldater fra garnisonsbyen Arizpe som hadde drept Geronimos familie og andre barn og gamle utenfor Janos.
You can consult the original Gerónimo's birth document in the archives of Asunción de María church, in Arizpe, Sonora ... It is reported (textual) that: José Gerónimo (indio), hijo de Hermenegildo Moteso y Catalina Chagori, fué bautizado “el primero de junio a mil ochocientos veinte uno. "José Jerónimo (indian) son of Hermenegildo Moteso and Catalina Chagori was baptized on June 1st. 1821" Grandson of Manco/Mano mocha (not Mahko), and nephew of apache chief Chagaray.
-San Jerónimo wasn't a popular saint in Sonora; the reason of this popular name in this state was 'cause the jesuit monk Jerónimo de La Canal was the founder of the cities of Arizpe and Cúchuta, Sonora.
-Early seetlements of Chiricaguas/Gileños/Bedonkohes apaches lived in Fronteras, and Bacoachi, Sonora, where they served as voluntary soldiers with the spaniards.
-Gerónimo speaked and wrote spanish since he was a kid, as you can see in the writings of Oliver Otis Howard, during their meetings with José Luis/Coché Is (Cochise).
-Miguelito Téllez Martínez (Mickey Free) born in Santa Cruz, Sonora. Yrigoyen, San Juan, Coleto Amarillo, Chinito, Delgadito, José Lorenzo Félix a.k.a. Mangas Coloradas, Salvador Mangas (his son), Diablo, Chihuahua, Apache Elías (Nana), Benito, Pedro Cedillo (Victorio), Juan Figueroa/Pluma Blanca/apache Juan, Patito (Dutchy), Loco, Perico, Nacho (naichez), Apache Martín (Martine), Benítez (Betzinez), Ramona Chihuahua, Posito Moraga, Hermenejildo Grijalva (Merejildo), Juan (Juh), José María (Ponce), Jaimito elegante (Dandy Jim), TiroMuerto (Dead Shot),
-Chato Samaniego (Chato), son of the mexican soldier Eusebio Gil Samaniego was born in Bavispe, Sonora.
-La Lupe (Alope) was from Janos, Chihuahua, México.
-Yes, Gerónimo felt betrayed by mexicans -but a lot of mexican towns were friendly with apaches(even, when Mangas Coloradas[magnus] was shooted by John Teal, Apaches took back Mangas to Janos, and the Mexican doctor Felipe Maldonado saved his life)-, the fact was this: Sonora's state Captn' José María Carrasco attacked a Chihuahua's town, Jano's inhabitants reported that cowardly attack done to apaches by that bastard captain. Apache Arvizu, Catalina Chagaray (Gerónimo's mother), Lupe (Gerónimo's first wife) his three kids and a lot more died in this massacre. This felony taked to a political and militar conflict between Sonora and Chihuahua. Gerónimo spent his years taking revenge, but at the end, he tried to surrender in Cúchuta Sonora....and they took him to general miles. Mexicans soldiers didn't want him in Sonora (even he promised to live pacefully in México) and he felt betrayed again when they called Miles to take him to reservation.
-You can search te oral tradition in Fronteras, Bavispe, Cúchuta in Sonora and Janos, Casas grandes in Chihuahua. Gringo books are full of lies, misunderstandigs and bad wills to México.
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I don´t know if you are familiar with a Norwegian cientist named Helge Ingstad. He found out and proved the relationship between apache language and the language of the native tribes in the North. So the Apaches in the south (New Mexico, Arizona ,,)had clear relation with the native indian triebes in the North. There was also clear indications in their myths and stories.
@Juan Lopez I can inform you that a Norwegian filmmaker is planning a film about the history of the Apaches in Sierra Madre. It will be a documentary film cinema and television.
Shes not the only Descended from Cochise.. he had a daughter named Dash-den-zhoos and she married kaydahzinne.. they had nelson kaydahzinne lulu Kaydahzinne and lena kaydahzinne.. their kids grand kids live in mescalero .
I didnt think there was ever a picture of Cochise
My great grand mother and my great great grandmother were born in New Mexico Santa Fe and Albuquerque
God I love my people so much to all my grandma's and grandpa's who looked out for our generation who gave so much and suffered so much only to be victorious in the face of evil persecution.
Listen, if she does really have pics of Cochise, they should be released. It would be a true honor to see his face. There are pics of Naiche and Taza, but not The Great!
-June 16th
This is fantastic. Is there more of this interview? Is she still around?
OMG.. She reminds me of my grandmother. I am a descendants of Pocahontas and am Apache. I feel bad that she's alone. I know this is a old video but it hit me today like it was live. She may still be with us because indiana live very long lives. If not my soul hurts that she remained alone. I swear I would have did whatever I could to find her so she would never be alone again. My hurt is pained
Was Pocahontas Apache?
I'm 6th generation of Cochise direct descendant I'm chiricahua and mescalero
My friends are White Mountain Apaches the greatest people ive ever met and got to know .Shith'danothshow my friends
Very cool I'm apache and black yellow scarecrow here my Millsboro delaware pow wow is this September 10th n 11th big BBQ no mask n war dance for fun
...yes, people who trusted the white mans promises of respecting their territories and independence! It is a great shame in the history of USA!
APACHE N BLACK YELLOW SCARECROW 💛 HERE Millsboro DELAWARE POW WOW IS THIS YEAR 2021 SEPTEMBER 9TH N 10TH
dear elbys your not alone i am a desindent of cochise my grand mother my nana is the great cousin of cochise,so we are family i believe.
p.s. reply back i wish to know about my familys history
I am great great great granddaughter of Mangus Coloradas
If you would accept me I am here as your family!I too am alone!
we're all pham1ly
❤️
Naiche protected chief Bylas and his family from being massacred by Geronimo ...she should be very proud to be of Cochise line...Taza and Naiche were honorable men...
there are no pictures/photographs of cochise
Im chiricahua and mescal
They hate here in Texas i dont care i respected my grandparents way I love it
I wonder if this would be Twyla Rayne's mother?
Good video. I am not Apache. I am of several different tribes.
It was a common practice to hit a student with a ruler probably till the 1960's. Very common for Hispanic kids who only spoke Spanish. My cousin in the 1950's got hit by nuns, how times have changed.
67 yrs I remember nuns hitting me with black board pointer, long wooden rubber tipped arrow. I hated the
" penguin" nun !
I live in Venezuela, my name is CARLOS GONZALEZ.
In honor of so great warrior my 2 children are named COCHISE.
* CARLOS COCHISE
* ALBERTO COCHISE
Mangus Colorado was Cochise's father-in-law. He tried very hard to remain peaceful with the white eyes. The story of the Apache must include Mangus Colorado," the Bridge."
Yes you are correct, Cochise was married to Mangas Coloradas daughter. Victorio's daughter Dichleyhe and Mangas Coloradas son Carl Mangas had many children, the last one was a daughter named Lillian Mangas, she was my great grandmother.
@@ewellfossum that would make you Apache royalty, for sure. Without being too specific, do you mind telling where you grew up, and a little about your life?
@@johndunn9819 I live on the Mescalero Apache reservation in NM. Lillian Mangas had a daughter named Evelyn Martine, she was the last Chiricahua Apache born in US captivity in 1912. Grandma Evelyn's grandfather was US Chiricahua Apache scout Charles Martine Sr, who helped Lt. Gatewood and cousin Kayitah find Naiche and Geronimo the last time in 1886. My mother's dad was the grandson of US Chiricahua Apache scout Paul Guydelkon Sr. That makes my mother on the census a 4/4ths Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache, she but 1 of a handful full blood Chiricahua Apache left.
My father was half Badriver Ojibwe, 1/4 Menominee, and Norwegian from Neopit, Wisconsin. So I'm a little Viking and half Chiricahua Apache.
Read a book from Ruth Boyer and Narcissus Gayton titled, "Apache Mothers and Daughters", it tells of my family from the 1800s up till close to present day. Ivora is my mother, and it says in the family tree that Amos Gaines was her dad, but that was not right, I dis a DNA test between her and Mason Guydelkon (her uncle) and it came out as closest relation.
Did Nachez have a sister named Nihik-ch-g
iam part apache
do you know monstie?
I think I was right keep our language
I just found out I might be Chiricahua apache. And I say I might because my father said I am but I'm not sure it's 100% true I want to find out if I am but don't know how I am interested to find out if I am and if so I would like to learn the language.. Can anyone help me out I live in El Paso Texas.. Help please!!
You find anything?
Very nice interview please let her know that I respect her for trying to keep the old ways I am sorry for all the white men did
I IS THE GREAT GRANDSON OF NACHEZ,,,CHOKONEN BAND ,, A'HO GREAT GRANDFATHER
Yea that's why my great great grandparents stayed in west Texas my great grandfather said it's good to be civilized and learn the white man's ways. Wow jeeez!
I am not sure, but I think she did not have any children ! kwj norapache
It's wrong to take someones culture and language from them. You want to speak Apache speak Apache.
Not right to hit her for speaking her language
Man me hearing these stories about my ancestors kills me bad , African American think they had it bad , try being the last member of your tribe , after that there no reproducing of our peoples , once your tribe is gone. There gone , and the white man feared us that bad to kill off such a beautiful race , and that’s for all my indigenous peoples.
@myspacecomaffwj Great that you named your son after Chief Cochise! I wish him a happy life !