Thatcher THE CROWN Enemies quote, Charles Mackay | The Crown Season 4, Gillian Anderson's Thatcher
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Gillian Anderson plays Margaret Thatcher in The Crown. This scene is from the end of season 4 episode 2, wherein she informs the Queen through poetry that she doesn't mind having her for an enemy.
Original quote by Chartist poet Charles Mackay:
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You have no enemies, you say?
Alas, my friend, your boast is poor.
He who as mingled in the fray
of duty that the brave endure
must have made foes. If you have none,
small is the work that you have done.
You’ve hit no traitor on the hip.
You’ve dashed no cup from perjured lip.
You’ve never turned the wrong to right.
You’ve been a coward in the fight.
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I think Churchill said something similar. Do you have enemies? Yes? Good. It means you've done something with your life.
“You have enemies? Good. It means you stood up for something some time in your life.”
@@longliveliberty1220 : That's correct
Actually, Churchill never said that.
@@faturechi the 'actually guy' has entered the room
@@whattowatchrightnow And it took a whole year!
YOU have no enemies, you say?
Alas! my friend, the boast is poor;
He who has mingled in the fray
Of duty, that the brave endure,
Must have made foes! If you have none,
Small is the work that you have done.
You've hit no traitor on the hip,
You've dashed no cup from perjured lip,
You've never turned the wrong to right,
You've been a coward in the fight.
Love the anemic, gutted way Elizabeth attempts a polite smile after being eviscerated by MT
Eviscerated was the perfect word to describe that
Really? Eviscerated? I thought her face says "get that monster psychopath out of my face, but oh wait I can do nothing but smile while she dismantles the country I grew up in and love"
Ha ha she is an admirable psycho. Something like Daenerys grown up into an adult leader 🙂 i knew nothing about real thatcher cause i am russian, but after this movie i admire her. Poem is also wonderful. That is the best motivation poem ever 🙂.
Her face says, "well that was a nice nursery rhyme Maggie, good show."
@@annle2515 Trust me, Thatcher was nothing to admire.
So she basically said to the queen, if you don't have enemies, you're a coward.
I think this is over-exaggerated. The Queen would've dismissed her as PM of the UK if she was mean to her.
She wouldn't dare, the moment she exercise any really power Parliament would dissolve the monarchy.
@@blackaua at which point some of us will need to look for some red cloth with which to make sashes of and find feathers for our broadest brimmed hats.
@@blackaua I agree..... that's IF the Queen ever "activated" her powers, they should dissolve it anyway tho.
Charles McKay (poet) is saying that everyone, including the Queen, has enemies of one sort or another. You can’t hide from them. You just learn to live with them.
MT: "Not if one is comfortable with having enemies."
The Queen: "Are you?"
MT: "Oh yes."
That part of this scene got me! Savage MT! :-)
I think we all have to get used to enemies of one sort or another.
She deserves awards for this poem's perfect timing, intonations, and punctuations. #beautifulpoetry
There is a trailer when her words are perfectly matched to the rythm made by british soldiers (or whoever they are, sorry I don't know how to name them) and to Diana's steps after an argument with Charles. Can't stop listening and watching this. You can find it on Gillian's Instagram :)
Academy Award incoming for Gillian Anderson
Idiot. She was absolutely woefully awful.
This would be an Emmy Award as the “The Crown” is not a feature film but an ongoing Netflix series....and she deserves it!
It's not a theatrically-released film, so the performance wouldn't be eligible for an Academy Award. The awards for television are the Emmy Awards. And, yeah, at the very least Gillian's getting a nomination.
Golden Globe nom for sure!
@@williamusrex6417 was she wooooooefully awful? Oh dear
🙄
For some nerdy info Mrs Thatcher kept this poem in her diary.
One likes to think she always refered to it when things were rough
Gracefully acted. What a sophisticated actress Ms. Anderson is.
Yes totally
Best scene of the entire season for me 🙂
What about the scene where them being officially “face to face” in episode 8?
Perhaps, if you've viewed all episodes. We just finished episode 2. Excellent quote. But best scene!? Reminds me of the musical Ragtime, and the crime of the century. ua-cam.com/video/PsgWCOBrAmE/v-deo.html
The stay at Balmoral was the best for me. Incredible comic work from Anderson throughout. Easy to make fun of Thatcher, but Anderson made her sympathetic AND comical. Brilliant.
@@nicolknappen6596 I think so too, I mean, with someone like Thatcher she could have easily gone off the rails, but I think she delivered a truthful portrayal of Thatcher.
Ditto
That was, by far, the best and most sophisticated slap in the face someone has ever given to the Queen in "The Crown". Gillian Anderson's delivery is EVERYTHING. Somebody bring the sauce, cuz THE QUEEN WAS ROOOOOASTED!
Not really. It shows Thatcher is stubborn and can be unreasonable.
@@Pdmc-vu5gj In the context of this episode, I found Thatcher to be in the right. Her weekend with the royal family allowed her to see the frivolities and snobbishness of the upper class, and how some members of her own cabinet were faulty of this too. She couldn't fire the royals, but she could get rid of those politicians in her cabinet that brought little benefit to her politics. Margaret was decisive and she stood her ground.
While the show is predictably taking a bit of a license with the hyped up “rift,” this actress is doing a great job portraying Thatcher
I concur! Yes, the Crown takes many historical liberties to create drama and spectacle, but I agree the performances are top notch.
This actress? You are referring to Gillian Anderson.... Gillian. Anderson
The actress is Gillian Anderson, she’s known for the fall as well as playing Special agent Dana Scully on The X-Files. And I do not believe the rift is hyped up at all. The fact that these two did not get along was probably the worst kept secret in London. Even members of thatchers Inner Circle have said in interviews that she and the queen “Never fully got on“.
Agreed. Creative liberties aside, I absolutely enjoyed Gillian's delivery in this particular scene. Overall, Gillian's Thatcher and Emma's Diana supported by an excellent cast made for quite a smashing Season 4
The rift wasn't "hyped up". It was actually scaled down if anything.
Gillian Anderson is outstanding as thatcher.
Gillian anderson is, frankly speaking, just outstanding.
0:09 olivia colman, helena bonham carter, gillian anderson and emma corin really came for all the awards
She left Queen Elizabeth speechless, imagine that.
Even the Queen is silenced there, and not for bad reasons, she appreciates the words and meaning of the poetry. Good on BOTH of these ladies 🙌🏽
Think you have totally mis-read that. It went against everything the Queen stood for, and she's searching for some way to respond. The Queen was for consensus and bringing people together. Ending conflict. She was very critical of the social divisions brought about by Margaret Thatcher. This scene is to illustrate the differences between them.
@@zeddeka ummmm... maybe in the show but I’m real life 😬
I think the she made the queen question weather her reign was formidable or did she do as the brave or the coward maybe she even took it as personal a comment to herself but thacther the iron lady was a hell of a touch prime minister maybe the best England ever saw
Thatcher was a titan.
This is the type of scene/conversation I wanted Cersei and Daenerys to have too bad they didn’t interacted this way.
well in westeros you could just chop someone head. why bother talking.
Thats it
To describe the facial expression of both actresses as magnificent right after Thatcher has spoken is definitely an understatement.
This poem is super relevant even today, every politician should be like this.
Man... These lines simply sum-up Mrs. Thatcher's character! Love it!
I’ve just finished the crown, and i must say, diana may have hyped the show but every scene with these two are a masterclass performance. I hold my breath every time. Brilliant. Humorous.
My favourite scene would have to be after the sunday times paper came out.
I love the little bow of the head right at the end. She was absolutely incredible as MT. A flawless performance.
She was telling the Queen that everyone has enemies. You just have to learn how to deal & live with them.
By far the very best scene in the crown.
I'm having that printed and put on my wall.
When I was new to corporate America, a colleague of mine saw that I had a recurring depressing look on my face. He then showed me this scene. It was eye opening to say the least.
That subtle lip grin of the Queen at the end of the poem is splendid! But I have to hand it to Margaret though.
That twitch is a marvel of acting...
Great performance. Thatcher was a force. RIP PM 🙏
She’s comfortable to make enemies then she should comfortable to face the consequence.
We all have enemies of one sort or another whether we ask for it or not.
I love the silence at the end there to let it all sink in. Brilliant scene.
Having no enemies is better. Meaning youve killed them all. If you are truly powerful.
When I saw this clip I had chills run up my spine. This is one of the best scenes in TV ever.
MT: "You've been a coward in the fight."
The Queen: -
Gillian Anderson is an amazing actress and her portrayal of one of our try greats is mind-blowing and captivating, I couldn't wait til her next scene
In American English "I'm the boss, you are not"
And yet they rule the world. Does Britain?
And also, your “translation” is most certainly not in the spirit of the poem. Try harder, enemy.
The scene? Or the poem? I suspect the scene is what you referred to.
@Caratacus The US rules the world in the economy, culture/entertainment, technology, the military, politically, and a bunch of other ways. US presidents don't control the money men because they work for the money men. The are, in essence, one and the same. Go read up on how the world works because you get on UA-cam and start shooting your uninformed mouth off.
This wasn't Thatcher saying she's the boss - this is Thatcher saying that she has the strength and resolve to do what needs to be done in governing, even if that means making enemies. Making enemies in itself meant to Thatcher that what she did was worth doing.
The Queen, here, is acknowledging Thatcher's resolve with quiet respect.
She plays Thatcher perfectly, even down to the voice!
She has a lot of enemies, because
Great is the work that she has done.
She has hit the traitor on the hip,
She has dashed the cup from perjured lip,
She has turned the wrong to right,
She has been the most brave woman in the fight.
The Iron Lady of the modern world.
Don't say pathetical rubbish!
What utter nonsense. She destroyed British manufacturing with half baked monetarism (even attracting criticism from Milton Friedman for it) and then washed her hands of it.
Ehhh....more posturing than anything.
Gillian Anderson.. will sweep up all the awards next year
Gillian and Olivia, damn they are a pleasure to watch, absolute art 💛
Haven't seen the show but Mackay's poem and Anderson's performance was chilling and made think about how I can improve courage
Everything I have seen of Thatcher impresses me. My parents say she was great, a real leader.
@@ladyj6278 I was born the year she was stabbed in the back by Hessletine etc so only seen programmes on her. But agree on most of her policies, found her to be strong and a good talker. My father was self employed and worked like a maniac to achieve so he loved her.
@@mufc7476 @MUFC 747 there was no "stabbing in the back". The conservatives got rid of her, like they do with all their leaders who've past their sell by date, because she was massively unpopular and was going to get them annihilated at the next election. Exactly why they got rid of Boris Johnson recently too.
Your parents are wrong. I lived through her time and Britain for the most part was an utterly miserable place - if you want to get a feel for it, listen to the song "Ghost Town" by the specials, which was written about the effect of her government. She brought absolutely unprecedented misery on a huge swathe of the British public. She is absolutely detested to this day in many parts of the country. She also introduced a culture of massive, unrestrained greed and corruption. Someone once famously said of her that she always claimed that she wanted to bring back the world of her father, a thrifty, upright Methodist preacher. But instead, she brought in the world of her son - a convicted criminal who's barred from entering a number of countries because of the seriousness of his corruption.
@@zeddeka she encouraged people if they wanted to work hard they could get on and achieve things. My Dad was a self employed carpet fitter who worked literally round the clock and owned his own house at 25 that most wouldn't own at any point of their life. He sung her praises and whilst not getting everything right I think she was a real leader. Hardest man you can work for is yourself.
Yes, a great leader. However, what did she lead us to?
Fabulous
Such a Powerful Scene!!!
The best of the best of quotes performed by the best actress
I saw again this scene. One word: AWESOME!
Wow! Really, she was "The Iron Lady". So brave!
One of the greatest scenes ever.
so happy you uploaded this!!
Thanks! Yeah I saw the scene last night and immediately uploaded this so I could play it on repeat and memorize the poem:
You have no enemies, you say?
Alas, my friend, your boast is poor.
He who as mingled in the fray
of duty that the brave endure
must have made foes. If you have none,
small is the work that you have done.
You’ve hit no traitor on the hip.
You’ve dashed no cup from perjured lip.
You’ve never turned the wrong to right.
You’ve been a coward in the fight.
Brilliant show, amazing cast and the writing is superb. It does help that at least 50% of the the show is anchored in true life.
softly and profoundly said.. but the impact is enough to silence everyone... one of my favorite scene!
Such a spectacular performance from Gillian
Finally found this scene! Will memorize and take it to heart and action forever!
These actresses are both unbelievably good.
I believe this scene also serves to criticize The Crown itself ; its fundamental policy, as demonstrated throughout the show, has been to make no enemies, to engage in no fights-right or wrong. For the entire show this policy has been presented as a necessary evil for the preservation of the Crown, the stability of which is proclaimed to be for the greater good for the British people. But by taking no stance or position on anything, Elizabeth, The Crown, has been "a coward in the fight", as Mackay says in the poem. Thatcher inadvertently calls this out in this scene, which is why after the poem, the camera hangs on Elizabeth for a while, who has a slightly uncomfortable expression on her face as she realizes this. This was subtle detail that really makes this a fantastic scene
But as Mary of Teck has hinted, as a sovereign you have to do nothing. Not a smile, glance nor a simple gesture. By making it you are taking a position and if you are king or queen, you instantly side with one group of your people. And that is forbidden. Leave your private thoughts and feelings in a locker and show them the pokerface made of granite.
Formidable, classy and true! Well done! 🤓👌👏👏👏
There should be a line denoting the difference between “making enemies” and having other people make enemies of you.
Like Peggy/sharon Carter said “ compromise where you can, but where you can’t, don’t.
Even if the whole world is telling you that someone wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move, It’s your duty to plant yourself like a tree and say “no, you move”
Oh my God she sounds exactly like Thatcher...it freaked me out
Yeah! A great impression
this scene >>>
even if i love the Queen, Thatcher brilliantly roasted her lmao
Why? The Sovereign is not supposed to have enemies in a Constitutional Monarchy. It is the right of The Sovereign, according to Sir Walter Bagehot's classic 19th century treatise "The English Constitution" "to advise, encourage, and to warn" the Prime Minister, confidentially, on a regular basis, on state matters. Once The Sovereign takes sides in political issues, in public, the aura of impartiality ceases. I don't think Thatcher roasted HM, she explained her view of her postion to her.
Exactly! I’m definitely far from being a Thatcher fan, but this was amazing.
@@eddihaskell Agree 100%. Unfortunately for the Queen, she doesn’t have the luxury of commenting on people she dislikes or moaning about her job in public. Mrs Thatcher, as PM, could reshuffle her cabinet and make her views publicly known. It is unlikely that Mrs Thatcher would have got to be PM without making enemies & dealing with them.
@@eddihaskell But from this perspective, the Queen DOES have enemies. Who? Those who are enemies of the Constitutional Monarchy. That is: republicans, criminals, traitors, and foreign adversaries.
I absolutely love this scene
That swift smirk though at the end..... ouch
The fear of being disliked is one of, if not the most damaging, emotional handicaps a person can have. Our whole PC culture is built around it, and look at the destruction it's done. Trying to appease people has not brought peace, it's created destruction by suppressing seething anger.
"The one that makes enemies at left, right and center is, at end, stabbed on the back" -
And she was.
She has done her duty to Great Britain that fate selected her to fulfill. could not say what selected her successors though, even to this day. I doubt any history book will remember major, blair or cameron. Thatcher on the other hand is already history, that Britain will remember.
By her own party. Not by the public in an election.
The wrong Queen Elizabeth was paired with Thatcher. Separated by centuries, Margaret would have been far better placed alongside Elizabeth I (during our times, not Elizabethan) . Now, she was a monarch who was also an Iron Lady of her time, who made plentiful enemies, held her own amongst men (during a time that was far more frowned upon) and always put her nation above all else. I think they would have appreciated each other's views far more.
If I could create a team of strong, brave and patriotic ladies then Boudicca, Queen Elizabeth I and Margaret Thatcher would be on that team.
I’d also add Eleanor of Aquitaine. The centre piece of the Angevin Empire in the late 12th Century.
@@georgemackins9500 Agreed. She held it all together while Richard was off crusading and John was....being John.
@@windwardhaven not to mention how she dealt with the time that her husband killed off the incredibly popular Thomas Beckett
Well...I am intrigue that was quite savage indeed!
Although for Thatcher, in the show, this moment was everything - it was also a demonstration of the intense discipline and dedication to her role as Queen- It took everything in her not to respond to Thatcher. It may seem as if she was roasted, but as she so ardently told Charles and was also told by Queen Mary- they must never show a stance, form an opinion. She had no choice but to Scarface that part of her self and sit in silence at the end of the Prime Minister’s very eloquent jab 🌹
Although, the hits she takes from Thatcher on the show, which she so nobly endures, are a result of her forgetting that bit of her duty, and presuming to butt in, perhaps with her own internalized sexism, either in thinking she can take liberties with a female PM, or else, relying on the chivalry that kept prior male PMs from firing back when the queen stepped out of her role during their premierships.
A real low point for Elizabeth on the show was when she decided to fight Thatcher and the employee she used to leak the news of her displeasure got fired to save face, implicitly accusing him of breaking confidence or lying about her feelings, rather than making her opinion known on her behalf to give her the fiction of neutrality.
final second "i mean you my queen"
Though there is a difference between having enemies (and having no worry about it) and constantly making them "left, right and center".
Good point. Except that you’ve still got them nonetheless. Whether you worry about them is up to you.
What a scene! I can watch it repeatedly to enjoy the great performance of both ladies.
If ever they make a film about Madonna, Gillian would be the perfect choice to play her.
Now that’s talent; Thatcher and Madge on your CV.
She does have the face for Madonna.
magistral.....
I love this quote
Loved this scene. Such a pity though if Queen Elizabeth and Margaret Thatcher did not really get along. These are the two most admirable women (indeed most admirable post-war leaders) of the modern era.
thatcher won this round, but in the end even her allies turned on her, stabbed her in the back, and the queen was proven right
downtonabbeyfreak That is because from the start both had different purpose. Queen main concern is to stay in power, while MT has a work to be done. Not making an enemies is a luxury.
If anything Thatcher was proven right though.
Sure she made enemies and got stabbed in the back. However, in her 11 years of service she made more changes to Britain than Elizabeth II had made in her decades of service.
To get things done you must make enemies. This scene perfectly shows the philosophy of both ladies and how they viewed the concept of power
@@taliyahc2452 the Monarch's job is not to change society or change the country. Their job is to reign.
I love Maggie "Let's all rejoice in the news of the Argentine surrender in Stanley and congratulate the Marines" ❤️
Thats the best poem iv ever heard.
I wonder tho if maggie really said that to the Queen
Left her and everyone watching speechless.
The beast scene
I have to admit I will always see Scully when I see GA, just because the X Files was such an excellent show.
But GA just totally becomes Thatcher in this scene. She's amazing!
Yes, Lady!
I can’t believe in Robin Robin she plays the cat with THE EXACT SAME VOICE!
As Fox Maulder would say, " Trust no one Agent Scully."
I feel like this represents thatchers character to a T. She made enemies and went in a clear neoliberal direction which faced backlash from traditional conservatives and many see her unwavering direction as her biggest strength. But also as her greatest flaw - one should know when to compromise and when not to - not everyone should be an enemy. And by targeting those closest to her instead of compromising, it was her downfall.
At the end of the day one must decide, do you want to be popular or speak up for justice and what's right. Truth be told, one is seldom popular when confronting hypocrisy and inconsistency. There are many hypocrites out there and even more cowards.
Boom. Baby!
I love it!!! 💕💖💕
Thanks for the comment! ☺️
Gillian Anderson is bloody brilliant
That's profound...damn !
The more I learn of Margaret Thatcher, the more I like her.
Very well said
I wonder if that really happened.
Anderson stole the show I think, and that's saying something. Because not only was she playing away, but she also went up against a slew of damn fine actors. Foy was another favourite. Both these ladies had that ability to make me chuckle solely with the faces they'd put on sometimes. Foy was an expert in being super subtly miffed and sometimes slightly confused, and Anderson, well I don't even know what her expression was exactly, steely perhaps. Whatever it was it was delightful.
Gillian Anderson plays Thatcher terrifically. In real life, Thatcher made a lot of enemies and turned allies against her. That would cost her job as PM and her political career.
Couldn't agree more on those Lines.
Epic reply!!!!
This is why in real like Queen Elizabeth despised Margaret. She was hard to beat!!
The fatal flaw in Thatcher's argument here, is that "the fray of duty" is mingled in by just as many brave but unrighteous people as brave and righteous people. Focusing on the making of enemies and thinking that makes one righteous is a fallacy - one that Thatcher made a career of, as she redistributed wealth from those who make it to those who hoard it.
You have no enemies you say alas the boast is poor, he who mingled in the fray of duty, that brave endure must have made foes, if you have none small is the work you have done. You have hit no traitor on the hip, you have dashed no cup from purged lip, you have never turned the wrong to right, you have been a COWARD in the FIGHT!
No truer words.
In Meme Language: "Look at me; I'm the Captain Now"
Charles Mackay quote, pah. It's all about the exchange of looks at the end.
Good pause
Now I have learnt this words by heart..❤️