I will never understand why some companies only wish to deal with the big name brands. Every company has started small and it's regrettable that so many have forgotten that you have to start somewhere. Keep doing what you're doing , I look forward to the day when they see what a fantastic opportunity they have missed out on.
Because they're scared that they could piss off the big companies. Some big companies do cancel contracts with manufactures due to them selling parts to some small company.
Canada needs to retain its Engineers, so that it can engage in automated manufacturer. To be competitive Canada needs to loosen Patents on goods used in manufacturing within Canada.
Its called outsourcing and it's simply cheaper for corporations to manufacture products overseas. Since labor is significantly cheaper in other countries. Furthermore the supply chain is very integrated for overseas for manufacturing. It would take billions of dollars for relocate manufacturing back to North America. It just doesn't make any financial sense. Furthermore, it keeps cots low for everyone. Would you pay 50% or 70% more for a product only because is made in Canada ? Lol
@@liuyifei1989 Tried hiring top graduate engineers from Canadian University? Many Canadian Universities have great undergrad COOP programs giving companies access to students and giving student work experience. But Canadians Universities lack equivalent programs for graduates students. The US has paid Graduate Student internships. Which means it Canada spends a lot of money on Engineering talent only to give it away. Why is Canada more expensive? Cannot retain skills and cost of working is much higher, due to high housing cost near manufacturers. I have relatives with factories in China and workers simply don't have the expenses so can be paid a lot less and still have money to buy the most expensive Iphones and other luxury items.
@@liuyifei1989 I worked for a company that moved some electronics manufacturing to a facility in Mexico, I think the driving reason was that it avoids the overseas tariffs charged on components from China, since Mexico is part of the NAFTA/USMCA. There could be some benefit in diversifying manufacturing that way, but that's another debate.
I don't know where you are in ability to have extra employees, but PLEASE consider having your own person in China at the factory that double checks things. Not a person they hire for you, someone who's paycheck comes directly from you, who is paid better than most people so they want to keep the job. That way you can have someone giving you the real situation, doing a double check of the inspections, etc. I used a factory there for clothing and I wished I had someone there to look over things. You have to think what the cost of air freighting replacements, the cost of the delays, the other issues. It may not be worth it now without production happening, but in time it might be worth it.
Ive heard of quite a few companies doing this, gotta say as someone who once spent a year fixing chinese factory f*ck ups in the machine shop its better to have someone there catch it first, and the owner of the company never enjoyed getting a call at 2 am from a chinese guy literally saying "we make better" as it always means they tried to change something and your next few shipments will be ruined
Working with a bro who has tons of experience in China I can tell you that this is excellent advice! It's called the law of diminishing quality, and it's a real thing! They'll give you the absolute best to show you what they can do but they'll start to scrimp and cut corners when they think they can get away with it.
Company I worked for (last day was last Friday) bought almost all our stuff from China. Having a good Importer who speaks Chinese and English is invaluable. Agree w above people our owners dad went there often he's 82 now & still talking about his next trip
Congrats on finally getting axles! The only reliability issue I foresee with the integrated motor is that it's part of the unsprung mass so it's going to be bouncing up and down with the axles across bumps. One thing electronics hate is vibrations. I hope any PCB's or other electronics in the drive unit are silastic'd and potted up like crazy. I can see solder connections fatigue failing and causing issues with this design. But I'm sure you guys are already way ahead of me with that ! keep it up!
Not saying don't pot it as this does feel like a situation where it might be warranted but I see it being used as anti repair more often than circuit protection.
Further testing with seen some modifications I'm sure, but the issues you are worried about are historically handled via a combination of mechanical connections, solder, support and strain relief. Solder by itself is not usually considered structurally sound in industrial application.
The B2 Bomber has a situation where the vibrations in the electronics bays is around 17 Gs of random vibration. The electronics there were built to take that. The vibration levels in these axles will be far less than that. As to unsrung weight, that will again not be a problem. These are Heavy Trucks, running at low speeds. They are not F1 race cars. The tires will stay on the ground just fine. But indeed, congrats to Edison for getting a product that they can use to build their product. Now they just need to move to bring it in house in the long run, as Tesla is doing with their products. Henry Ford was right about the best model for manufacturing is to bring raw materials in at one end and have finished product pop out the other.
Nice work guys! I haul logs in Alberta, I have often dreamed of this type of system. Having powered axles on the trailers would reduce spinning out (empty or loaded), cut down on truck assist by pulling or pushing with the dozer or other machine, reduce chain up, eliminate dropped drivelines, greatly improve safety on the road, improve efficiency with regenerative breaking and more. We are pulling king b sets with 85000kg gross. I see this technology being the norm within a decade. You are carrying out the work that Letourneau started in the 50s. Keep up the good work.
Ahh finally the video works and got fixed . I wish these young guys the absolute best these young fellas deserve the world . Cant wait to see these trucks up and working
A few years ago I sponsored a design project for the University of Calgary's Schulich School of Engineering Capstone final project: an e trailer complete with regen. My brother and I had the same idea at the same time... Our collective conclusion was that it made the most sense to develop for heavy transport first. I wish you every success and hope to see an Edison tractor trailer unit in its natural habitat soon! Cheers!
I imagine that an e-trailer makes more sense in particular work loads, is this correct? Long haul vs regional, heavy loads vs lighter loads. Charging infrastructure?
For the powered trailer idea, I wonder if the trailer company that pressed the frame rails would be interested in collaboration. They could be a cool resource to help develop that tech.
Edison Emergency Trailer Traction. I'm calling it. Slap on a wireless button in the cab and have traction assist when needed, but not otherwise. Instant adding EV horsepower to otherwise unmodified classic diesel trucks, once the concept is proven WAY easier to sell Edison Hybrids to these truckers after putting some miles on that kind of rig.
Look at what krone in collaboration with trailer dynamics are doing in Germany, a trailer with a giant electric motor on the middle axle with either a 400 or 600 kWh battery underneath It has a sensor on the kingpin that detects how hard the trailer is being pulled and uses that data in combination with map data of hills to assist in the most effective way, this is a good idea for backwards compatibility but I think they should develop some cambus interface so the truck or the driver can fully control it, especially for regenerative breaking and low speed traction aid
@@olivergunn2796 they can also add in some yaw rate sensors and control vehicle/trailer dynamics to avoid jackknifing or excessive sway. Possibly even torque vectoring for steering.
@@olivergunn2796 For on-road use, I think trailer mounted batteries are a much better solution that truck mounted. That way the trailer can be charged at the dock. Then you can run the low, constant loads off the trailer battery and only use the truck battery for surge use.
@@danielkingery2894if you think they voted for Trudeau, you’re outta your mind. The Canadian government is controlled by the same backstage string pullers as the US government. We didn’t vote for Biden. Our vote has never mattered!
@@celuler22 its also hard to compete with a country that ignores all human rights laws, patent laws, and who hacks into companies stealing intellectual property and other sensitive data and who has literally directly hacked and stolen combined trillions of dollars from companies, its not just labor costs that have brought and kept manufacturing in china, its economic warfare
@@celuler22 It is possible to compete with slave labor, we do it everyday by not purchasing garbage Chinese tier products and instead purchase American made. However that doesn't mean there isn't a massive amount of idiots gobbling up the garbage.
That's what smart and successful entrepreneurs think and operate. If they think they have the monopoly, give them what they deserve and make them hit bankruptcy. One step ahead of your enemies, know their weaknesses and strengths. Way forward Champ. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
Trailers with batteries and drive units may become popular among some industries. Turns any truck into a hybrid if done right. And can provide power out!
You and your team and the suppliers etc. are what I think of as industrial revolutionists. Designing, developing and bringing to market a product with superior quality. Looking forward to seeing the 1st million mile Edison in the future.
Chase: With powered trailers life would be a lot easier for the truckers! Mill operators: So what you're saying is that we could send trucks into traditionally inaccessible areas now? Chase: [surprised Pikachu Face]
Your story reminds me of the Tucker Car scenario from (I think) the 40s. I am glad you were able to give the middle finger to the companies that wouldn't work with you. Your efforts make this world a better place and take away power and control from the mega companies. thanks!
I love all of this, I love the system, I love the way you present it, I love the humor.. I saw another video in which you mentioned you were worried about public speaking. Please don't, just do this and you will grab the attention. Just like your designs, keep it simple, straight forward, no need to make things more complex. You are on the right track and you will go far.
Love it. If the people/companies you approach don’t want to jump on board. F’em. Go around, over or through them. For too long large companies have become comfortable with controlling markets. Love it that you’re rattling cages. Hopefully you can eventually bring axle manufacturing into Canada.
When you talk about having your trailer push, it reminds me of the slug-units we used at CN. It's heavy. It has brakes. You hook it up like any other locomotive with your MU Cable (27-Pin Jumper Cable.) and it pulls power from the main unit to drive its traction motors. Air controls were done from the MU Airlines, but any aux functions like dropping sand, headlights, all that jazz was jumpered in along with the 600 Volt power for the motors. When you look at how trains run these days outside the yard, the motors do almost all the work. Your acceleration and deceleration of 30,000 tons. Your stopping and going. Regenerative brakes are sweet to be sure, but the sheer amount of power of a dynamic brake. It's the jake brake of electrics. The dynamic grid gets cooking, and the fans spool up like a jet engine. So when I think of a trailer application on an electric truck, sure the idea of a pusher is cool and all, but being able to hook that up to a dynamic grid is cooler in my eyes. When we talk about a hill, are we more afraid we won't top it, or are we more afraid we won't stop it. Electric motor means no gear. Faster it spins more amps it can pump. You don't get that loss of effectiveness when you're starting to run, cause you don't have to match a gear ratio to your engine speed limit. Slap in a traction control so it doesn't skid out, and you could just have a "Jake" button, and a dynamic controller similar to what you see with a pickup truck brake controller. Could have a "light" and "heavy" application button if you wanted to get fancy with it, so you can choose whether to activate a light drag or a full stopping force. (Maybe a "Hold" function, where it works to hold your current speed, and a heavy function for decelerating) But wait, there's more. You have traction control on those brakes. When it's slippery or slimy, that trailer should be pulling itself straight and acting like an ABS, because it is. It can't lock the tires, slower they go less amps they make less resistance there is. You know how BC is, I know how BC is. You get grease year round. Sorry for the long ramble, but hey, the best ideas are born from bullshit. Just felt like saying what was on my mind when you mentioned trailers is all, haha. (Unrelated - If you were to look at a log trailer manufacturer local here in BC, check out Freflyt in Vanderhoof. They're good people based on my interactions with them, though I have no affiliation with them.) Have a good one, and thanks for reading.
@@bhavjotkang8004 a friend of mine runs a consumer electronics company. They a currently bringing a lot of their parts manufacturing back to Australia as when you take into account the cost of managing the manufacturing off shore (which you have to do constantly), dealing with poor quality control, shipping delays etc, even though labour is generally cheaper in China, it didn't necessarily translate into a better or cheaper end result.
@@bhavjotkang8004that's what the Chinese want you to think, The only reason North American companies cannot compete with Chinese manufacturers is because Chinese corporations are nowhere near as greedy as North American ones (politicians is a whole separate debate and not one that we're getting into today)
It’s great to see the little guy go head with the large corporations! I love the simplicity of this truck design! I’m looking forward to seeing you guys succeed in this venture!
cant wait for the box truck version. would buy one in a heart beat if it can haul at least 10k pounds including trailer. Gotta replace my E-450 with something from your shop!
You are a fuggin PIONEER man. You and everyone helping you along the way. What an amazing project. I've been watching you for many months now. I am thrilled with your whole attitude and drive. I love what you are doing. Stay outside the box for all your thinking time. It is working wonders.
Love the autonomous trailer idea. So many common lanes that you'd otherwise take in an industry that aren't on highway at all. It's the same as what I've seen for quarrys now.
Regarding the powered trailer: there is a German company called Trailer Dynamics that is building electric powered highway trailers. Might be interesting for you... But overall awesome truck concept, keep going guys!!!
I have a Gasoline Powered Trailer on an EV (as a battery range extender) and I can say they are awesome. I LOVE your powered trailer idea, with the diesel generator! EDISON MOTORS KEEP IT UP!!!!! ❤ 🎉❤😊
I love that you went from shunned customer to competition and you support Right to Repair with available parts. If fleet operators knew that you were RTR vs planned obsolescence, they would switch to you instantly.
Love what you all are doing!! Can't wait to see where this takes you once your past the trial and error stage as I see you crushing all competitors and creating a more reliable product than what is out there. Plus, the little man can work on it with your simplicity in mind.
We sold our manufacturing soul for Wal Mart prices . I am a repair man , I started out fixing " Mr Coffees" and vacuum cleaners . Can you imagine fixing a coffee maker today .
Those cast aluminum casings will be dangerously close to the ground, you may want to armor them to prevent a rock or large stick from ruining your day.
Regular logging trucks don't seem to damage axles due to ground impact. They will be used on "logging roads". These "roads" are also suitable for ordinary sized trucks. I don't imagine these log hauler trucks will go "off road", just up and down mountains and on highways to a mill. Furthermore, the absence of mechanical driveline will result in a large weight reduction and a huge maintenance reduction. This man is a log truck operator. He knows what will break.
@@fraserhenderson7839they’re literally called off road trucks.. yes logging road and spurs and have ground clearance issues and rocks can fall off cliffs. I am also a log trucker myself which due to these guys is getting wilt of hype these days..
I don't know if you have it set up that way, but you could utilize you oil circulation pumps to facilitate fluid changes. It could push clean oil in while used oil is flushing out which would also help displace sediment. You could even do a closed loop filtration which you probably already do which could also add the benefit of a heat exchanger. Easy service is a must. I worked for a great equipment company that was privately owned then was bought out and ruined by a large corporation. Before the purchase we constantly worked at upgrading our equipment and software to make it continually better and give the best support possible to our customers. After the purchase the new philosophy was touch nothing and forget about improvements and don't give the customers anything for free even if it should be covered by warranty because it was a known problem. I quit and went to work for my self to help out my old customers who were no longer supported the way they should be by my old company. The lawyer came after me. It is very rare that any of the once great companies are ran by the people that started them and built the brand. Corporations buy the good companies for the good brand name and ruin the brand or move production to China or both. Stay strong and most importantly stay independent.
Keep it up buddy you doing well and your team specially your team there’s nothing more important than having a great team surround yourself with great people
Yeah I'm glad you guys found someone because that is just stupid that you can't get parts in Canada or the US that's dumb I'm glad you guys got your axles hopefully I'll see one of your trucks one day God bless and I wish you all
Love it. Have you looked into generating electricity with gas turbine generators? Wrightspeed was looking into this not sure what they are doing now. Maybe pneumatic motor generators etc.
So true about the active suppression of EV tech, it's mind boggling that retro kits aren't already a common thing, I imagined it would work perfect using the transfer case as the reduction box, after deciding my wagoneer needed a motor bolted up to the pumpkin, rebuilding old transmissions and engines is very difficult, ineffcient, polluting and expensive and the knowhow has nearly dissapeared. Best of luck brilliant work, please hire me!!!!
Just so proud of your entire team for having the balls to compete and not only compete but you will kick butt. Dang... So proud to be Canadian where throughout history, we have proven that we always find a way. I can`t help but think about the Canadian-built Avro Arrow. We as Canadians, can do it and not only that, but we can do it better, the only difference is you will not be shut down by governmental and political pressure or outside interests. Up here in the Great White North we get it done, Eh!
Edison Motors i really love the Electric Truck you have buildt, please start talking about the EV Truck that you and DG Garage are working on together on all UA-cam ,Facebook Instagram and every where else you are both on to have more people interested in your Electric Truck and any other cars or trucks that people want to turn into Electric vehicles EV i follow you 💯 from # YSW from 🇨🇦 😊😊😊😊
You guys are amazing, I’m from Europe so this isn’t a real useful thing for me you’re to far, but making a truck this cool with right to repair is wonderful project keep it up huge fan
I am very interested in your trucks. But being speced mainly for off-road use is a own side for me. I gross 245k lbs and seeing a company make electric trucks for us heavy haul guys is awesome! I would love to see normal highway axles as a option.
Here in the USA or United States you know how it goes I give you guys so much credit good for you. Why should I buy a truck when I’m mechanically inclined for the last 32 years working in a power plant on steam turbines? Why can I fix my own vehicle? What seems to be the problem but they want everything they want to computers they want the vehicle they want the tire rotations they want everything and they don’t want you touching it. That’s a good one after I bought it I can’t service it myself. I gave you guys a lot of credit you did a great job. I love your videos and I love your truck you’re doing keep going and don’t let these big ass holes tell you what to do.
Great name for your co. This should've all been could've been done 100 yrs ago oh more advances now but. It's real late God bless you and your crew and all your efforts , GOD SPEED , LADS.
Wheel speed may vary on tandem axles due to tire wear, tire pressure and turning radius. Yes, they need to be synced, but be sure there is some wiggle room in the tolerances. I don’t know the specs on the motors you got, but some Servo motors can match rpm’s exactly causing your axles to fight one another. I’m sure you have thought about this.
I just learned that Tesla's "semi" (not at all like Chase's "Topsy") only uses the second axle for starting out and hill climbing. Seems with the Edison setup that a simple programming tweak to reduce power to one of the axles might solve the slight variation in rotational difference issue. I am thoroughly impressed with the project. I've been saying for years that if someone came up with a hybrid with a smaller, more efficient power plant and a larger battery pack that I would buy it in a heartbeat. Looks like I'm not the only one. Kudos to Edison.
Love your attitude. Become the competition. The ultimate insult to those who said 'no' to you. My dad would say to me often: "the best revenge is success".
No clutch, transmission, drive shaft, yokes, u joints , grease zerts, carrier bearings, vibration, and associated parts and pieces, seals, air supply to shift the splitter, on and on. Smart design, keep going!
Woohoo!!!! Stick it to the man! Dude your doing awesome and keep on doing it! I wanna see you guys sell these trucks across the Americas. Go Edison!!!!!
“Instead of being a customer, we became competition." I love the way you said F**K you guys, take this, in the most professional, entrepreneur way possible! Keep it up! I can't wait to see what this truck will be capable of.
The idea of regenerative braking with trailer axles on extended downhills is so genius, obviously not a replacement for high quality brakes but could make them a lot safer and increase range in mountains on highway trucks. Obviously you’d need a ton of cooling, but I imagine it’s a lot easier to get heat out of a system with circulating fluids and active cooling than plain ol brake rotors.
On extended downhills you would need to dump the current on some sort of huge resistive load as I don't think these trucks will be carrying tons of batteries to save that much power. At that point you might as well just use the normal brakes.
@@siggyincr7447 that’s true, but I think it would be much easier to cool a larger thermal mass with its own cooling system than conventional brakes. I’m not as familiar with the brakes on semi’s, but I have seen plenty overheat and catch fire, which I don’t think would be an issue with this system. Resistive loads are very efficient for heat transfer, and you’d still be able to take a lot of energy out of the system with a simple heat exchanger. Would be interesting to see it implemented.
All of the best gearboxes are made in Northern Italy believe it or not. There are two planetary gear manufacturers in and around Milan Italy that the oilfield uses almost exclusively. Brevini is one, Riddutori is another.
“Instead of being a customer, we became competition.”, I love it! I am so excited for you guys. Just amped!
Sounds like the problems Rimac Automobili had. Now they are a supplier.
It's just make manufacture goes down when there are no collaboration 😢
But not shocked! ;)
I will never understand why some companies only wish to deal with the big name brands. Every company has started small and it's regrettable that so many have forgotten that you have to start somewhere. Keep doing what you're doing , I look forward to the day when they see what a fantastic opportunity they have missed out on.
3 years out... they do not need the business...
Because the deep state is trying to kill small business
@@mattlane2282they got bigger fish to fry clearly
Because they're scared that they could piss off the big companies.
Some big companies do cancel contracts with manufactures due to them selling parts to some small company.
sounds like the government
North American manufacturing needs a renaissance, but until then I hope your supply chains and production works out!
Canada needs to retain its Engineers, so that it can engage in automated manufacturer.
To be competitive Canada needs to loosen Patents on goods used in manufacturing within Canada.
Its called outsourcing and it's simply cheaper for corporations to manufacture products overseas. Since labor is significantly cheaper in other countries. Furthermore the supply chain is very integrated for overseas for manufacturing. It would take billions of dollars for relocate manufacturing back to North America. It just doesn't make any financial sense. Furthermore, it keeps cots low for everyone. Would you pay 50% or 70% more for a product only because is made in Canada ? Lol
@@tdwebste it has nothing to do with that, it's all about lower cost with manufacturing overseas.
@@liuyifei1989
Tried hiring top graduate engineers from Canadian University? Many Canadian Universities have great undergrad COOP programs giving companies access to students and giving student work experience. But Canadians Universities lack equivalent programs for graduates students. The US has paid Graduate Student internships. Which means it Canada spends a lot of money on Engineering talent only to give it away.
Why is Canada more expensive? Cannot retain skills and cost of working is much higher, due to high housing cost near manufacturers.
I have relatives with factories in China and workers simply don't have the expenses so can be paid a lot less and still have money to buy the most expensive Iphones and other luxury items.
@@liuyifei1989 I worked for a company that moved some electronics manufacturing to a facility in Mexico, I think the driving reason was that it avoids the overseas tariffs charged on components from China, since Mexico is part of the NAFTA/USMCA. There could be some benefit in diversifying manufacturing that way, but that's another debate.
I love that you just decided to say "screw it, I'll do it myself" to the big manufacturer when they decided to be unreasonable.
I don't know where you are in ability to have extra employees, but PLEASE consider having your own person in China at the factory that double checks things. Not a person they hire for you, someone who's paycheck comes directly from you, who is paid better than most people so they want to keep the job. That way you can have someone giving you the real situation, doing a double check of the inspections, etc.
I used a factory there for clothing and I wished I had someone there to look over things. You have to think what the cost of air freighting replacements, the cost of the delays, the other issues. It may not be worth it now without production happening, but in time it might be worth it.
Ive heard of quite a few companies doing this, gotta say as someone who once spent a year fixing chinese factory f*ck ups in the machine shop its better to have someone there catch it first, and the owner of the company never enjoyed getting a call at 2 am from a chinese guy literally saying "we make better" as it always means they tried to change something and your next few shipments will be ruined
Do you work to CE (European) standards? Can I see your quality procedures? Ah so. Yes we do CE. Where you want the sticker?
Working with a bro who has tons of experience in China I can tell you that this is excellent advice! It's called the law of diminishing quality, and it's a real thing! They'll give you the absolute best to show you what they can do but they'll start to scrimp and cut corners when they think they can get away with it.
This is a really good point. Active oversight really is necessary both to keep an eye on them and to build long term relationships.
Company I worked for (last day was last Friday) bought almost all our stuff from China. Having a good Importer who speaks Chinese and English is invaluable. Agree w above people our owners dad went there often he's 82 now & still talking about his next trip
Congrats on finally getting axles! The only reliability issue I foresee with the integrated motor is that it's part of the unsprung mass so it's going to be bouncing up and down with the axles across bumps. One thing electronics hate is vibrations. I hope any PCB's or other electronics in the drive unit are silastic'd and potted up like crazy. I can see solder connections fatigue failing and causing issues with this design. But I'm sure you guys are already way ahead of me with that ! keep it up!
Not saying don't pot it as this does feel like a situation where it might be warranted but I see it being used as anti repair more often than circuit protection.
Further testing with seen some modifications I'm sure, but the issues you are worried about are historically handled via a combination of mechanical connections, solder, support and strain relief. Solder by itself is not usually considered structurally sound in industrial application.
The B2 Bomber has a situation where the vibrations in the electronics bays is around 17 Gs of random vibration. The electronics there were built to take that. The vibration levels in these axles will be far less than that. As to unsrung weight, that will again not be a problem. These are Heavy Trucks, running at low speeds. They are not F1 race cars. The tires will stay on the ground just fine.
But indeed, congrats to Edison for getting a product that they can use to build their product. Now they just need to move to bring it in house in the long run, as Tesla is doing with their products. Henry Ford was right about the best model for manufacturing is to bring raw materials in at one end and have finished product pop out the other.
Nice work guys! I haul logs in Alberta, I have often dreamed of this type of system. Having powered axles on the trailers would reduce spinning out (empty or loaded), cut down on truck assist by pulling or pushing with the dozer or other machine, reduce chain up, eliminate dropped drivelines, greatly improve safety on the road, improve efficiency with regenerative breaking and more. We are pulling king b sets with 85000kg gross. I see this technology being the norm within a decade. You are carrying out the work that Letourneau started in the 50s. Keep up the good work.
Props to visiting the factory. Easy to spot issues at the source. Can’t wait to see it moving this down the road.
Thank you for working through these problems. Only a real driver can appreciate what’s needed for a real truck to operate.
Ahh finally the video works and got fixed . I wish these young guys the absolute best these young fellas deserve the world . Cant wait to see these trucks up and working
A few years ago I sponsored a design project for the University of Calgary's Schulich School of Engineering Capstone final project: an e trailer complete with regen. My brother and I had the same idea at the same time...
Our collective conclusion was that it made the most sense to develop for heavy transport first. I wish you every success and hope to see an Edison tractor trailer unit in its natural habitat soon! Cheers!
I imagine that an e-trailer makes more sense in particular work loads, is this correct? Long haul vs regional, heavy loads vs lighter loads. Charging infrastructure?
That truck is so outlandishly awesome.
For the powered trailer idea, I wonder if the trailer company that pressed the frame rails would be interested in collaboration. They could be a cool resource to help develop that tech.
Edison Emergency Trailer Traction.
I'm calling it. Slap on a wireless button in the cab and have traction assist when needed, but not otherwise.
Instant adding EV horsepower to otherwise unmodified classic diesel trucks, once the concept is proven WAY easier to sell Edison Hybrids to these truckers after putting some miles on that kind of rig.
Look at what krone in collaboration with trailer dynamics are doing in Germany, a trailer with a giant electric motor on the middle axle with either a 400 or 600 kWh battery underneath
It has a sensor on the kingpin that detects how hard the trailer is being pulled and uses that data in combination with map data of hills to assist in the most effective way, this is a good idea for backwards compatibility but I think they should develop some cambus interface so the truck or the driver can fully control it, especially for regenerative breaking and low speed traction aid
@@olivergunn2796 they can also add in some yaw rate sensors and control vehicle/trailer dynamics to avoid jackknifing or excessive sway. Possibly even torque vectoring for steering.
I had a hydrostatic drive on the trailer, but this is better.
@@olivergunn2796 For on-road use, I think trailer mounted batteries are a much better solution that truck mounted. That way the trailer can be charged at the dock. Then you can run the low, constant loads off the trailer battery and only use the truck battery for surge use.
We used to make damn near everything we needed In Canada
IN CANADA
You didn't used to vote for the folks that have been voted for over the last two decades either....
@@danielkingery2894if you think they voted for Trudeau, you’re outta your mind. The Canadian government is controlled by the same backstage string pullers as the US government. We didn’t vote for Biden.
Our vote has never mattered!
America is in the same boat its impossible to compete with slave labor
@@celuler22 its also hard to compete with a country that ignores all human rights laws, patent laws, and who hacks into companies stealing intellectual property and other sensitive data and who has literally directly hacked and stolen combined trillions of dollars from companies, its not just labor costs that have brought and kept manufacturing in china, its economic warfare
@@celuler22 It is possible to compete with slave labor, we do it everyday by not purchasing garbage Chinese tier products and instead purchase American made. However that doesn't mean there isn't a massive amount of idiots gobbling up the garbage.
We are rooting for Edison motors! This is amazing. Great job you guys!
That's what smart and successful entrepreneurs think and operate. If they think they have the monopoly, give them what they deserve and make them hit bankruptcy. One step ahead of your enemies, know their weaknesses and strengths. Way forward Champ. Keep up the good work. Cheers.
Powered axles on ag trailers would be neat! I'm sure logging and construction trailers could be helpful too
There are some agriculture trailers that are powered.
Trailers with batteries and drive units may become popular among some industries. Turns any truck into a hybrid if done right. And can provide power out!
It's so awesome to see this. I have wondered for years why diesel electric was not an option in semis. Great job!
You and your team and the suppliers etc. are what I think of as industrial revolutionists. Designing, developing and bringing to market a product with superior quality. Looking forward to seeing the 1st million mile Edison in the future.
Chase: With powered trailers life would be a lot easier for the truckers!
Mill operators: So what you're saying is that we could send trucks into traditionally inaccessible areas now?
Chase: [surprised Pikachu Face]
Hell yea right to repair and bulletproof reliability. I wish more manufacturers would take a page from your book! Keep it up guys!
Your story reminds me of the Tucker Car scenario from (I think) the 40s. I am glad you were able to give the middle finger to the companies that wouldn't work with you. Your efforts make this world a better place and take away power and control from the mega companies. thanks!
I love all of this, I love the system, I love the way you present it, I love the humor.. I saw another video in which you mentioned you were worried about public speaking. Please don't, just do this and you will grab the attention. Just like your designs, keep it simple, straight forward, no need to make things more complex. You are on the right track and you will go far.
Hell yeah congratulations, thanks for promoting the right way to do business
Love it. If the people/companies you approach don’t want to jump on board. F’em. Go around, over or through them. For too long large companies have become comfortable with controlling markets. Love it that you’re rattling cages. Hopefully you can eventually bring axle manufacturing into Canada.
When you talk about having your trailer push, it reminds me of the slug-units we used at CN. It's heavy. It has brakes. You hook it up like any other locomotive with your MU Cable (27-Pin Jumper Cable.) and it pulls power from the main unit to drive its traction motors. Air controls were done from the MU Airlines, but any aux functions like dropping sand, headlights, all that jazz was jumpered in along with the 600 Volt power for the motors.
When you look at how trains run these days outside the yard, the motors do almost all the work. Your acceleration and deceleration of 30,000 tons. Your stopping and going. Regenerative brakes are sweet to be sure, but the sheer amount of power of a dynamic brake. It's the jake brake of electrics. The dynamic grid gets cooking, and the fans spool up like a jet engine.
So when I think of a trailer application on an electric truck, sure the idea of a pusher is cool and all, but being able to hook that up to a dynamic grid is cooler in my eyes. When we talk about a hill, are we more afraid we won't top it, or are we more afraid we won't stop it. Electric motor means no gear. Faster it spins more amps it can pump. You don't get that loss of effectiveness when you're starting to run, cause you don't have to match a gear ratio to your engine speed limit. Slap in a traction control so it doesn't skid out, and you could just have a "Jake" button, and a dynamic controller similar to what you see with a pickup truck brake controller. Could have a "light" and "heavy" application button if you wanted to get fancy with it, so you can choose whether to activate a light drag or a full stopping force. (Maybe a "Hold" function, where it works to hold your current speed, and a heavy function for decelerating)
But wait, there's more. You have traction control on those brakes. When it's slippery or slimy, that trailer should be pulling itself straight and acting like an ABS, because it is. It can't lock the tires, slower they go less amps they make less resistance there is. You know how BC is, I know how BC is. You get grease year round.
Sorry for the long ramble, but hey, the best ideas are born from bullshit. Just felt like saying what was on my mind when you mentioned trailers is all, haha.
(Unrelated - If you were to look at a log trailer manufacturer local here in BC, check out Freflyt in Vanderhoof. They're good people based on my interactions with them, though I have no affiliation with them.)
Have a good one, and thanks for reading.
I really really love your spirit. Right to repair, no planned obsolescence... Keep charging...Makes me interested in equipment again.
Man, this hybrid design is great! You should be thinking of swapping into Ag as well. Great Job Edison motors!!!
Congrats on the axles!!! You will be manufacturing your own in no time.
that would be a terrible idea. u simply cant compete with chinese manufacturing. unless u got buyer willing to pay double price for a ev truck
@@bhavjotkang8004 a friend of mine runs a consumer electronics company. They a currently bringing a lot of their parts manufacturing back to Australia as when you take into account the cost of managing the manufacturing off shore (which you have to do constantly), dealing with poor quality control, shipping delays etc, even though labour is generally cheaper in China, it didn't necessarily translate into a better or cheaper end result.
@@bhavjotkang8004 "u simply cant compete with chinese manufacturing" Ya, thanks Chang. I'm sure it's impossible right?
@@bhavjotkang8004that's what the Chinese want you to think, The only reason North American companies cannot compete with Chinese manufacturers is because Chinese corporations are nowhere near as greedy as North American ones (politicians is a whole separate debate and not one that we're getting into today)
It’s great to see the little guy go head with the large corporations!
I love the simplicity of this truck design!
I’m looking forward to seeing you guys succeed in this venture!
I have nothing to do with Trucking but your philosophy and execution are inspirational. Keep up the great work.
I’m not a driver but I love what you guys are doing and I hope you guys keep doing great!
I dont know who you are but the fight you put up to get it the way you wanted it just deserve a sub
I love what you guys are doing. I hope one day you decide to make a pickup truck like this.
Check their other videos, they are wanting to do that soon.
cant wait for the box truck version. would buy one in a heart beat if it can haul at least 10k pounds including trailer. Gotta replace my E-450 with something from your shop!
You are a fuggin PIONEER man. You and everyone helping you along the way. What an amazing project. I've been watching you for many months now. I am thrilled with your whole attitude and drive. I love what you are doing. Stay outside the box for all your thinking time. It is working wonders.
Love the autonomous trailer idea. So many common lanes that you'd otherwise take in an industry that aren't on highway at all. It's the same as what I've seen for quarrys now.
Regarding the powered trailer: there is a German company called Trailer Dynamics that is building electric powered highway trailers. Might be interesting for you...
But overall awesome truck concept, keep going guys!!!
I have a Gasoline Powered Trailer on an EV (as a battery range extender) and I can say they are awesome. I LOVE your powered trailer idea, with the diesel generator! EDISON MOTORS KEEP IT UP!!!!! ❤ 🎉❤😊
I love that you went from shunned customer to competition and you support Right to Repair with available parts. If fleet operators knew that you were RTR vs planned obsolescence, they would switch to you instantly.
Man I hear the the anger and the happiness in your voice at the same time. I really hope I get to drive a highway Edison Motors truck one day.
You guys are the "Tucker" of the logging truck world.... Keep pushing
Planetaries are definitely the way to go!
Love what you all are doing!! Can't wait to see where this takes you once your past the trial and error stage as I see you crushing all competitors and creating a more reliable product than what is out there. Plus, the little man can work on it with your simplicity in mind.
A power trailer paired with Topsy would be the holy grail. Do it.
We sold our manufacturing soul for Wal Mart prices . I am a repair man , I started out fixing " Mr Coffees" and vacuum cleaners . Can you imagine fixing a coffee maker today .
Totally nerding out over the axles, being an ex flatbedder myself. Wish I could work with you.
All the more reason to return to driving once he gets these running
Those cast aluminum casings will be dangerously close to the ground, you may want to armor them to prevent a rock or large stick from ruining your day.
I was wondering if they could be clocked upright, to be over the axle centreline instead of fore or aft of it.
@Adam Ant that may require the oil and cooling systems be redone, but it's doable
Regular logging trucks don't seem to damage axles due to ground impact. They will be used on "logging roads". These "roads" are also suitable for ordinary sized trucks. I don't imagine these log hauler trucks will go "off road", just up and down mountains and on highways to a mill. Furthermore, the absence of mechanical driveline will result in a large weight reduction and a huge maintenance reduction. This man is a log truck operator. He knows what will break.
@@fraserhenderson7839they’re literally called off road trucks.. yes logging road and spurs and have ground clearance issues and rocks can fall off cliffs. I am also a log trucker myself which due to these guys is getting wilt of hype these days..
Really looking forward to these, great work.
I don't know if you have it set up that way, but you could utilize you oil circulation pumps to facilitate fluid changes. It could push clean oil in while used oil is flushing out which would also help displace sediment. You could even do a closed loop filtration which you probably already do which could also add the benefit of a heat exchanger. Easy service is a must.
I worked for a great equipment company that was privately owned then was bought out and ruined by a large corporation. Before the purchase we constantly worked at upgrading our equipment and software to make it continually better and give the best support possible to our customers. After the purchase the new philosophy was touch nothing and forget about improvements and don't give the customers anything for free even if it should be covered by warranty because it was a known problem. I quit and went to work for my self to help out my old customers who were no longer supported the way they should be by my old company. The lawyer came after me. It is very rare that any of the once great companies are ran by the people that started them and built the brand. Corporations buy the good companies for the good brand name and ruin the brand or move production to China or both. Stay strong and most importantly stay independent.
Keep it up buddy you doing well and your team specially your team there’s nothing more important than having a great team surround yourself with great people
Yeah I'm glad you guys found someone because that is just stupid that you can't get parts in Canada or the US that's dumb I'm glad you guys got your axles hopefully I'll see one of your trucks one day God bless and I wish you all
Awesome!! Can’t wait to see how this truck performs in the real world!
You will be a big company one day 🇨🇦
Love it. Have you looked into generating electricity with gas turbine generators? Wrightspeed was looking into this not sure what they are doing now. Maybe pneumatic motor generators etc.
Canada should be able to manufacture virtually anything requiring raw materials. We have everything!
Trailer makes good sense, this is an option in Europe. Traction and more regenerative braking when batteries are used of course.
Back in the day they used to have two speed diffs, that might be a option you could look at in the future.
So true about the active suppression of EV tech, it's mind boggling that retro kits aren't already a common thing, I imagined it would work perfect using the transfer case as the reduction box, after deciding my wagoneer needed a motor bolted up to the pumpkin, rebuilding old transmissions and engines is very difficult, ineffcient, polluting and expensive and the knowhow has nearly dissapeared. Best of luck brilliant work, please hire me!!!!
Great job. Subscribed and watching with interest from Australia 🇦🇺 👍
Absolutely awesome!
Very happy to see this progress. Keep going.
Just so proud of your entire team for having the balls to compete and not only compete but you will kick butt. Dang... So proud to be Canadian where throughout history, we have proven that we always find a way. I can`t help but think about the Canadian-built Avro Arrow. We as Canadians, can do it and not only that, but we can do it better, the only difference is you will not be shut down by governmental and political pressure or outside interests. Up here in the Great White North we get it done, Eh!
I really like the powered trailer idea. Keep up the good work
Edison Motors i really love the Electric Truck you have buildt, please start talking about the EV Truck that you and DG Garage are working on together on all UA-cam ,Facebook Instagram and every where else you are both on to have more people interested in your Electric Truck and any other cars or trucks that people want to turn into Electric vehicles EV i follow you 💯 from # YSW from 🇨🇦 😊😊😊😊
You guys are amazing, I’m from Europe so this isn’t a real useful thing for me you’re to far, but making a truck this cool with right to repair is wonderful project keep it up huge fan
Wow this is a big deal. I think we need to really rethink our industry and look at sourcing locally like your team.
I am very interested in your trucks. But being speced mainly for off-road use is a own side for me. I gross 245k lbs and seeing a company make electric trucks for us heavy haul guys is awesome! I would love to see normal highway axles as a option.
Curious, are the power ratings discussed the peak or continuous ratings? And at what voltage ranges?
Im so pumped to see everything you guys are working on.
This is incredible, im so excited to share your story.
Since rust is a bigger problem with bev drum breaks have suddenly a new advantage over disc brakes
Necessity is the mother of invention... awesome guys...way to go♥️💘💕💝💖
Powered trailers, need to talk about universal quick attach tailer power units.
Here in the USA or United States you know how it goes I give you guys so much credit good for you. Why should I buy a truck when I’m mechanically inclined for the last 32 years working in a power plant on steam turbines? Why can I fix my own vehicle? What seems to be the problem but they want everything they want to computers they want the vehicle they want the tire rotations they want everything and they don’t want you touching it. That’s a good one after I bought it I can’t service it myself. I gave you guys a lot of credit you did a great job. I love your videos and I love your truck you’re doing keep going and don’t let these big ass holes tell you what to do.
Love the underdogs , always did.
This is great news. Edison is rollin' full steam ahead; better hope that Jake brake works 😅
This is some beautiful work you're doing, sir. I've got nothing to do with the logging or trucking industry. But I look forward to all your updates!
Some people just get a lot more done thsn others. Youre one of those high productivity people
Great name for your co. This should've all been could've been done 100 yrs ago oh more advances now but. It's real late God bless you and your crew and all your efforts ,
GOD SPEED , LADS.
I would imagine Australian trucking would be interested in those powered trailers for their road trains as well.
Wheel speed may vary on tandem axles due to tire wear, tire pressure and turning radius. Yes, they need to be synced, but be sure there is some wiggle room in the tolerances. I don’t know the specs on the motors you got, but some Servo motors can match rpm’s exactly causing your axles to fight one another. I’m sure you have thought about this.
I just learned that Tesla's "semi" (not at all like Chase's "Topsy") only uses the second axle for starting out and hill climbing. Seems with the Edison setup that a simple programming tweak to reduce power to one of the axles might solve the slight variation in rotational difference issue. I am thoroughly impressed with the project. I've been saying for years that if someone came up with a hybrid with a smaller, more efficient power plant and a larger battery pack that I would buy it in a heartbeat. Looks like I'm not the only one. Kudos to Edison.
Love your attitude. Become the competition. The ultimate insult to those who said 'no' to you. My dad would say to me often: "the best revenge is success".
Man I love what you guys doing here.
awesome!
I am not a trucker, I’m a drag racer in my spare time, so I hate EV’s. I find your content super interesting!
Nice heavy spec rears! I'm anxious to see the next phase.
The powered trailer idea is awesome
outstanding
Good on you keep making your dreams reality
The efficiency-growth conundrum is always fun. We engineer to save energy but the users reschedule to exploit the more efficient power.
Kip on pushing ❤❤
No clutch, transmission, drive shaft, yokes, u joints , grease zerts, carrier bearings, vibration, and associated parts and pieces, seals, air supply to shift the splitter, on and on. Smart design, keep going!
Woohoo!!!! Stick it to the man! Dude your doing awesome and keep on doing it! I wanna see you guys sell these trucks across the Americas. Go Edison!!!!!
Nice Job
“Instead of being a customer, we became competition." I love the way you said F**K you guys, take this, in the most professional, entrepreneur way possible! Keep it up! I can't wait to see what this truck will be capable of.
Keep the enthusiasm going!.!.!!!
The idea of regenerative braking with trailer axles on extended downhills is so genius, obviously not a replacement for high quality brakes but could make them a lot safer and increase range in mountains on highway trucks. Obviously you’d need a ton of cooling, but I imagine it’s a lot easier to get heat out of a system with circulating fluids and active cooling than plain ol brake rotors.
On extended downhills you would need to dump the current on some sort of huge resistive load as I don't think these trucks will be carrying tons of batteries to save that much power. At that point you might as well just use the normal brakes.
@@siggyincr7447 that’s true, but I think it would be much easier to cool a larger thermal mass with its own cooling system than conventional brakes. I’m not as familiar with the brakes on semi’s, but I have seen plenty overheat and catch fire, which I don’t think would be an issue with this system. Resistive loads are very efficient for heat transfer, and you’d still be able to take a lot of energy out of the system with a simple heat exchanger. Would be interesting to see it implemented.
All of the best gearboxes are made in Northern Italy believe it or not. There are two planetary gear manufacturers in and around Milan Italy that the oilfield uses almost exclusively. Brevini is one, Riddutori is another.
Just subscribed. Loving your passion and innovation. And anyone who describes his rigging as "Skookum" has my interest. Good luck with your builds