Gripping Sailor’s Hitch
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- The Sailor's Gripping Hitch grips even tighter than a closely related friction hitch, the Icicle Hitch. They both have the benefit of trapping the working end of the rope making them both very secure hitch knots.
It has come to my attention that this knot is tied incorrectly. The Gripping Sailor’s Hitch has a different finish than this knot, my apologies for the confusion. This knot is more of a variation to the Icicle Hitch. I am on the road working right now, but I will get this video corrected as soon as I am able.
It still looks like a really good hitch, and I've never seen it before, so don't lose track of it - you might have invented a useful new gripping hitch. And who knows, it might outperform the other ones :) My vote would be to simply change the title of the video but to keep it.
@@stephanddd I am going to get upload the proper Gripping Sailor’s Hitch as well as upload this video again with a new title. I think I will call it the Texas Grip Hitch. I’m sure if someone has seen it before, which is entirely possible, they will no doubt get it corrected.
@@txtoolcrib Have you posted the correct video yet?I ask as this isn't a Sailors' Gripping Hitch. You have made the same error as you have in your Icicle Hitch video. After the wraps you have taken the working end horizontally across the bottom of the bar whereas you should have taken it diagonally across from bottom to top.
@@WorkingKnots Yes, this knot is very similar to his "Icicle Hitch" on his channel (both with exactly same error).
I watched this several time before reading your comment. I will forget everything until your next video. Still it looked OK to me. Thanks for you honesty. Your still getting a thumbs up. 👍
Not that it's yours, but I must say I love this hitch. Having problems in the garden with aspen shoots, I've tried pulling them up with simple loops, and nooses, and folding the shoot and loop together, and it usually ends with the shoot being skinned, so I thought, 'what the heck, lets try the gripping hitch!'. It worked out great, with the exception of the 5mm paracord used snapped, but the hitch was doing fine, and the even distribution of the grip, left the shoot in mint condition.
I tried this knot and in my experiments it slipped more than the Pipe hitch and more than the Icicle hitch. I used paracord and aluminum pipe. It is a new, scratch-free aluminum pipe that slides well and is 5 times thicker than the paracord. The number of wraps is the same for all knots. (by all means try it under the same conditions)
But there is a bigger problem than anything else. That is that the knot is unstable and loosens spontaneously. Once you take your hand off it, it becomes loose, and when you pull on it again, the friction is already greatly reduced (the other two knots are fine). This property proved fatal and rendered Sailor's gripping hitch unusable.
Note that in this video, you can see how strongly the hitch is tightened at the finish, but of course we experimented with the same tightening strength for all knots. The strength of this tightening affects the amount of friction, so it was natural that the Sailor's gripping hitch, which tends to loosen easily, would slip.
(Translated from Japanese to English at DeepL)
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この結びを試してみましたが、私の実験ではPipe hitch よりもIcicle hitch よりも滑りました。使ったのは、パラコードとアルミパイプです。良く滑る傷のない新しいアルミパイプで、パラコードに対して5倍の太さです。巻き付ける回数は全ての結びで同じにしています。（ぜひ同じ条件で試してみてください）
ただ、何よりも大きな問題があります。それは、結び目が不安定で、自然に緩んでしまう事です。一度手を離すと緩々になり、再び引っ張った時には既に摩擦が大幅に低下しています（他の二つの結びは問題ありません）。この性質が致命傷となり、Sailor's gripping hitch は使い物にならないと判断しました。
なお、この動画で、フィニッシュ時に強く締め付けている様子が見られましたが、当然どの結びでも同じように締め付けて実験しています。この締め付けの強さが、摩擦の大きさに影響しますので、緩み易いSailor's gripping hitch が滑るのは当然の結果だと思いました。
Thanks for all the explanations and tutorials on these hitches!! I have a question though, will wrapping it a couple more times having 6 or 7 even 8 lays make this stronger or am I wasting time and extra rope doing this?
I switched to this from the rolling hitch. This is way more secure and reliable.
This seems to be an improvement over the "real" sailor's gripping hitch, because of the constrictor hitch component at the end.
Great..as always
Brilliant Ben even though it’s tied wrong lol 👍
This is not the knot usually known as Gripping Sailor's Hitch. I haven't found this variant anywhere... The Icicle Hitch is considered better than the Gripping Sailor's Hitch (see "Testing Sailing Knots ..." reference in Wikipedia article "Gripping sailor's hitch").
However, the knot you show here seems to be better than the usual Gripping Sailor's Hitch, actually it's closer to the Icicle Hitch than to the Gripping Sailor's Hitch, some kind of hybrid, combining advantages of both (like the Gr.S.H it can be tightened more easily than the Icicle), and after a quick test I can imagine that it may outperform the Icicle - where did you get it from? Are there any sources? Or is it just a happy coincidence of a mis-tie?
Anyhow, I like this Sailor's Icicle Hybrid. Maybe it's even a new knot. Great!
You know what, you’re absolutely right. I’ll have to get this video corrected when I get back home. I also listed the name incorrectly. This is the way I was taught this knot, as a close variant to the Icicle Hitch.
My uncle taught me this knot many years ago. I wouldn’t rule out that he taught me the correct knot and at some point I tied it incorrectly though.
" it's closer to the Icicle Hitch than to the Gripping Sailor's Hitch"
No its not. The Icicle Hitch on "TX Tool Crib" UA-cam channel isn't correct either. This knot is indeed similar to the incorrect version of Icicle Hitch on his channel, but the knot is not similar to properly tied Icicle Hitch.
Find "Icicle Hitch - how to tie it in the middle of an object" -- that one is proper Icicle Hitch
@@AKhan0372 I was referring to the actual Icicle Hitch, but "closer to" is in this case more of a subjective statement I guess...
That one would take a little practice for me.
What would be a great or "the best" knot for securing an object of weight (e.g. 80lb roll of cable or a box with handle) and then lowering it by hand from height around people below who will then untie (i.e. has to withstand swinging and lurching)?
The "gold standard" would be a retraced figure 8 knot - that's what climbers use when their life depends on it. This assumes that your roll of cable has a hole in the middle that you can go through, and that you can fully trust the handle of your "box with handle". If that's not the case, and you need more of a slipknot action to keep your load in place, then the shape, length and direction of the load would matter a lot. You could go anywhere from a backhand hitch, an anchor hitch, or evenk/siberian hitch - these are all gripping hitches with will tighthen around your object, plus can carry heavy loads.
@@stephanddd thank you. Yes the cables I work with look like tires when tied up. That figure 8 is cool but my ground guy will want to fight if I keep tying those lol. I'll be practicing these hitches. Would you ever use a taught line knot to lower/raise an object? Love that knot
My choice would be a slipped buntline hitch, strong and easy to untie.
@@jonmacgyver743 No, the taut line wouldn't be secure enough. If you want something easier to untie than the figure-8, a couple of good options are: the backhand hitch (my favorite) - easy to untie even while under load, and good control of tied object. You also can't go wrong with a bowline. The Siberian/Evenk (or slipped buntline as another reader suggested) would also be reasonable choices, but I generally avoid these because I personally have had too many close calls with slipped hitches. That's probably subjective if you take proper precautions.
It really depends on the surface you are tying against. If your surface is large enough that the rope will rest against it when tied, then my choice would be the Anchor Hitch. If the rope won’t contact the surface well when cinched, then I would choose the Kalmyk loop. If you are trying to a handle, then I would use a Slipped Spar, Slipped Constrictor, or Backhand Hitch. My first choice for a handle or ring would be a Bowline though. I didn’t suggest it because it sounded like you wanted the knot to cinch against the handle. There is a solution with the Bowline though. Form the Bowline with the snap method, but make an extra turn around the handle first. Then when it is loaded, the turn inside the Bowline loop will cinch while in tension.
I just heard leatherman retired the charge+ and the charge+tti and the crunch and the mut eod
I saw a video Maxlvledc posted yesterday about the possibility they were discontinued.
it was hard to believe it at first because I got the Leatherman charge+ tti last year let’s hope they don’t retire the wave+ or even the surge
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Well and properly described en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gripping_sailor's_hitch - Why not take this one down?