DPReview TV: Panasonic LX100 II Review
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- In this video, Chris and Jordan put the Panasonic LX100 II through a hands-on review.
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Jordan and Chris are two of the best reviewers currently around. Perfect mix of informative, funny and with a great chemistry
I think this review of Jordan and Chris is one of the best reviews currently around.
Perfectly said! Their reviews are always well rounded, interesting and tell me exactly what I want to know.
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Can’t agree more. I am not into video reviews much but the video from Chris and Jordan are so enjoyable, candid and informative, especially on intangible characteristics of gears besides specs sheets. Splendid!
Great review. You hit on negative points that would prevent me from buying it as much as I'd like one. Thanks
I'm glad you mentioned the dust problem of the original LX100. So many people including myself had to deal with this. Panasonic knew about this problem for sure, but they didn't wheater sealed this new one. Shame
The only compact cameras (and this is somewhat compact) that get weather-sealed are the beach/underwater cameras from companies like Olympus, Ricoh, and a few others. You're just not going to get a weather-sealed compact of any sort with a 1" or M 4/3 sensor. Not from any company.
@@MH-rt9ts You are correct, I only wish they dust proof it or at least tried to implement something knowing it was a problem. I had the RX100 MK1 and treated it the same as my LX100 and never had any particles sucked inside.
@@flakeu Well, after having used the same RX100 mk I for about 2 years, it did get dust on the sensor. Had it repaired, but a year later another speck of dust got in.
I sold it before it happed bought xt2 and never looked back
I also had the RX100 mk1 and loved it but it got a reasonable amount of sensor dust from my travels. @@flakeu
Guys, nice review as always. Chris, I’m right with you on specs vs. heart especially with this camera. Hope to see you both soon!
I love that y’all try to always include a review of the video features because it really helps me decide what i could seriously use for my own video recordings. Thank you.
I'm sure the LX100 is a photographer's camera due to some Leica design influence, as it tends to end up with a red dot, new brand name and a price hike...
I also cursed my Lumix cameras for accidental touchscreen focus point shifting , but only recently found the 'operation lock' option in the menu, which can be set to a Fn function button. So now I can set a focus point and via an Fn button, enable the operation lock to 'lock' the touchscreen. I find that very useful.
You forgot to mention that this does far better with subject seperation than the other pocketable cameras
Loved this review! Chris, do you guys mind sharing what audio / mic system you are using for this video? The audio is crispy!!
Chris and Jordan, thanks for this very informative review. I especially like the part that you brought up about comparing it to the Sony 1-inch sensor RX100 VA.
I owned the first gen and shot with it extensively for two years. I absolutely love it. The lens is good, micro four thirds is much better than one inch sensor, huge difference in image quality. Images aren't as sharp as the Sony rx100, but are much prettier.
Its weaknesses are, that it let's dust in, start up time is slow, viewfinder/screen is slow when stressing the camera.
Looks like this iteration's upgrades are:
Touch screen
New sensor
New processor
I think they are all much needed, as the 12 megapixel of the previous gen was adequate but can be more. The new processor can solve the slow down issue (?), plus providing upgrades and new features, per your video has pointed out. The touch screen is good for focusing.
But I think a tilty/swivel screen would've been very helpful. The viewfinder can use an upgrade. More dust proofing is actually much needed. These are really important upgrades, too....
I think this is the perfect camera for those who want to start learning photography. It does everything, beautiful images, great macro ability, good zoom range, fast lens, compact, lots of manual dials. I had a blast with it until I lost it one day on the trail. I used it very rigorous, but it held up really well. A cheap screen protector would be a good idea, so it does scratch easily.
People tend to think that a Sony A6000 is the best camera for starting out, because it's cheap. But the problem is that, once you add the price of a good lens it's not cheap anymore, something to think about.... This Leica lens is beautiful. Upgrading from a Sony RX100 iii I fell in love with it right away. I hate one inch sensors because images don't pop, though it's sharp. Maybe use it in a phone camera or something, that'd be perfect. The Panasonic CM1 did it and it looked so cool. I'd gladly sacrifice some thickness of my phone for the 1 inch sensor.
Anyways, I'm not sure if this second gen is worth it, as you can get the first gen for cheaper and you really don't get that much more, practically speaking. For casual shooting the first gen works really well already. For more seriously shooting why not get the Fuji XT20?
You said it all man! Original LX100 is a much better deal even now.
IMO no-one does better camera reviews than C & J. Thanks.
Appreciate it!
Jordan, I love your input on all of these, thank you. I love that Panasonic FINALLY included an Auto ISO when shooting video in manual mode. I love being able to set shutter speed and aperture, and use the exposure comp ring for auto-iso compensation. I'm glad to see Panasonic finally implemented that feature. Sad the rest doesn't hold up.
Technicians from Panasonic told me that some parts of the lens module are different from the Mk.1. Not sure whether it will change anything. Hope the best but won't be surprised if dust still gets in!!
Nice review (as always). Would love to see you guys do another live show. I would especially like to hear your comments on Sony claiming to be number one (in units & $$$) for full frame cameras and on the Canon/Nikon mirrorless response. Glad you're still in business!
Love all your stuff, but this video has a great flow to it! The kid in the zig zag running shots also hillarious!
The original LX100 got me into photography. A great tool to learn on and be creative with. This is a small upgrade, and would have liked to see weather sealing. Had a chance to play with the GX9, and that is a bit weightier but ergonomically, may be a bit better.
I bought the LX100 in june 2023 secondhand. Almost new, 250 euro. Loved it but IQ compared to my EM1.2 was quite a difference. Of course with a good prime it is not fair. LX100ii....was very difficult to come by and still is. On a trip to London last week a camerastore where I popped in just for fun, had a really A++ one for 650 pound. A steep price but it had absolutely no dust (tested it with various F stops), not marks on the cam etc. And the output is actually quite a bit better. Low light is better, the IS (not tested extensively) seems at least a stop better, the touchscreen is mostly good. What I miss is the dedicated different shooting modes. They are there but not as easy to pick and chose. The L monochrome D is actually a fantastic setting for street photography at least to my mind. So it is early days but I love it and I am glad that for citytrips and holidays I can leave my EM1.2 and all the lenses at home. And I like using the LX100II a lot more than my EM1.2. Not because of the weight and size, but due to the controls on board and the ease it is to operate. The menusystem is a lot better for me too.
Totally worth it, second hand LX100ii needs 4000 CNY (517 EUR) in market of China.
I was crushed when my original lx100 got stolen on a trip. A absolutely loved that camera and has been waiting for a new version ever since. Something about the manual controls, the huge sensor, it was just great. I was fortunate enough to not have dust issues.
Since then I got to play with those 1 inch cameras, notably the rx100 iii and the g7x ii (which is what I own now). While they are not even close to the lx100 in terms of image quality and controls, they do offer a lot (notably a tilting screen) in a very small package.
If this successor had a tilting screen, it would be a no brainer for me. But now I'm not sure I will get this one. Maybe. I have a trip to Japan soon, I'll see how much it costs over there. ;)
FYI, ￥110,640 from Map Camera.
www.mapcamera.com/item/4549980186145
Maybe rebuy the old one, they should be much cheaper now that Mk II is out.
You both ( Chris & Jordan) are so good at reviews, so compelling that I watch´em even when I´m not interested in the camera you´re presenting.
Thanks Chris and Jordan. As usual, you (handsome ;-) gents deliver another unbiased review.
I own and love the LX100 for it's size, manual controls and great lens. I too was thinking that the Mark II, given the time since the original would have had some more improvements. Nevertheless for what it does have, it is a superb camera. I won't be upgrading though as I have a GX80/85 which fills in for where the LX100 lacks.
Amazing composition in that last shot Jordan, at first it looks like you don't see Chris' hands but you actually can see them in the reflection behind him. GJ
Great review of my favorite pocket P&S. Keep the lint and dust out of your pockets. I got Dust Bunnies in my LX100. And they multiply like rabbits. Nevertheless, I like the smooth zoom for video.
Excellent well-balanced and fair review. Great job, as always, guys.
I always appreciate your videos and also when you guys are with The Camera Store. You have a nice balance with pro and cons.
We're doing videos exclusively for DPReview now, though Ev and Dave are doing a great job on the TCSTV channel.
The constant focus seeking with continuous auto-focus is terrible on the original LX100. It's completely unusuable for video. If they'd fixed that I would upgrade in a heartbeat. Unfortunately with a narrower focal length equivalent in video, this seems like a step back from the original with no significant improvements. If my LX100 got lost or stolen, I wouldn't replace it with a LX100 mark II. Thanks for pointing out that I could remove the bezel when using a filter step up adapter! That's been driving me crazy. I always had my filters screwed on loose so that it would allow the lens to retract, and then the filter got totally unscrewed in my bag and scratched the lens.
I'm still waiting for the Panasonic full frame release
LX1000 full frame perhaps? :-)
Another four years on, is this still worth looking at or are there other options now? Is there a replacement Panasonic in the pipeline? I like the traditional camera options with physical dials. What should I look at?
Love that the winter beard is coming in nicely.
Will Blake Hair on top is looking pretty damn good too.
Jordan and Chris great review, what is the ideal compact camera "overall"? cant decide even after watching few different reviews?
(currently not about the money, just about the quality)
Can you make a review of Leica D-Lux 7 i really want to know if its any good.
I was actually binging some old CSTV and you other DP Review videos when i got the notification you uploaded again lol Great video as always!
Thanks! What's your favourite TCSTV episode?
I have a Fuji X100V and you just convinced me that I do not need this one, though I really do like the Leica f/1.7-2.8 lens on the Panasonic. Great review!
They should give you an external charger! I'm glad you pointed that out, Chris! #7:39
That's what bothers me as well with these cameras. I always have to get a third party charger.
Can we just take a second to admire Chris's beard. It looks magnificent. Okay back to fawning over cameras.
Great review! We used the lx100 primarily as a time-lapse camera for our videos and its been great. Its so small it never makes sense to leave it at home. However, I can't see the justification in spending (currently) $400 more on the V2 than the V1.
I wish to heck Fuji would produce an APS-C compact zoom along this line
It really is a shame they didn't add dust prevention to the lens system. I would have paid full price for this camera if that was the only upgrade. I use my LX100 as my easily portable MTB photography camera. I shoot a lot in thick forest canopy and somewhat lower light and the fast lens and larger sensor combo really helps in these scenarios. But with that also comes harsher environments, often time quite dusty. There really isn't anyone else offering this compact of a camera, with usable ergonomics, good low light performance, with a 24-70 focal length and fast lens. Please Please Please give me weather proofing and a mic input on LX200!
I'd consider looking into the Leica counterpart (leica d-lux). Basically the same guts, but from what I read it doesn't have the dust issue and has a better build quality. granted its pricier and supposedly the mark 2 counterpart will be dropping soon
@@sosteveoh It's the same camera according to the Leica rep. Probably the reason you don't hear so much about the dust problem is that Leica owners treat their camera with more care. :)
the dust apparently gets in through the mic holes top and bottom. One reviewer simply put tape over them and it solved the problem.
As usual, great video guys! Love the LX100! I bought the Leica version and I loved it! Can't wait to buy this one
I had the LX100, but my partner asked whether I had a spare camera for her to have, so now she has it. Fortunately I found a minty Leica at a very good price so now I sorta have the camera again. Neither camera has had any dust issues. If I didn't have the LX100 & D-Lux at home, I'd def be tempted by the LX100ii/ D-Lux7.
Was juggling between this and an open box xe3 and kit lens. Still leaning towards the Fuji. Wish they both had an articulating screen though.
Hello guys I love these small Panasonic cameras, my first one got wet and died in a kayak. I'm curious what stabilization Jordan was using on the gh5. I notice there was a slight swaying as he walked backwards and I know some stabilized sensors can cause this. Thanks
Thank you for your review. I wanted to compare this camera to the GX9. This review was very helpful for me. I appreiate your infomation and hands on explanations and examples, as well as your photos. Thank you.
Nice job guys. Got this camera a few days ago. I pretty much agree with everything you said here.
Excellent review as usual. Do you guys know if it’s possible to mount ND and ND grad filters at once on this camera? Are there filter holders that you would recommend for this camera? Thanks.
Would you prefer the Canon G7X Mark II or the Panasonic LX 100 Mark II for image quality day and low light...?
Nice review, especially the wrap up comments at the end; "damned by faint praise" pretty much sums up their opinion on this minor upgrade.
Careful, a Calgary cyclist may get upset at you for walking in the cycling lane on the bridge 😂
😂😂😂
He would certainly have the right to be upset😅
A great review. I would be interested to see a comparison with the Panasonic Gx80/85 with the 12-32 lens. This might be a more logical competitor to the LX100ii than is the Sony RX100x.
Gx80 with that lens, F3.5-5.6 is not going to be as good for low light, but is using the entire sensor.
The mk1 lx100 was only using 80% of the sensor so its f1.7 at its fastest was equivalent to maybe an F.2 on a Full m4/3 sensor
These two guy’s is like Jordan and Pippen of camera review world. They both mix so well not getting into their egos. Good mix.
A flip-up screen would’ve made this PERFECT.
How would this compare size wise to a compact micro 4/3 interchangeable lens camera (E-PL10?) with the Olympus pancake zoom?
That way, we could change lenses if desired and clean the sensor if needed.
Touch screen and bluetooth aren't something that interests me, more resolution means smaller pixels, being a new design sensor, that probably doesn't matter.
The issue is, a bigger crop on 4k giving the widest angle possible of 32mm, instead of the approx 28mm on the lx100 mk1.
Also the mk2 uses slightly less of the sensor in 4k.
Angle of view is same on 1080 modes, so for widest video use 1080.
No low pass filter on the mk2 to give slightly sharper images " debateable" but increasing likelihood of morie " a possibility under certain conditions".
The mk1 had a low pass filter but I believe it was weak " so a compromise of sorts"
Other thing I missed out was bluetooth, again something I'm not interested in.
Same as wifi, anybody tried using Panasonic's crap software will no its junk.
Myself I wouldn't buy a manually designed kind of device, to have it fitted with bells and whistles.
But I'm not everyone, would I buy the lx100 mk2, the answer is no, for me the extra buttons, resolution, touchscreen and bluetooth are reasons to not buy it.
Like the relative simplicity and ease of use of the mk1, dont want more menus and more buttons I'm not going to use.
Set parameters manually and take photo.
What I'd like to have seen done was a redesigned lens, giving a 22mm equivalent widest angle starting point, and finishing on 80mm, at the same speed.
This would obviously involve a complete redesign of the camera and lens system, but would result in a still fairly compact camera.
I'm not paying £850 for the same camera body and lens with a different sensor, bluetooth and touchscreen, to me that's just an incremental upgrade
You can actually just choose a kind of a video mode and assign it to C button so you don’t get a sudden crop when start shooting video or at least that’s what I did with the older version.
Hi what would you suggest.. I do mainly real estate photography (some wildlife). Have big Nikon DSLR but often would like a good quality compact. Video less important. Wide angle important with a fair lengh zoom. What would you go for without breaking the bank ? :)
Probably the best reviewer on UA-cam
Thanks,
I always check out ya' lls reviews, when acquisition syndrome kicks in.
I am looking to up grade my 'Hail Mary' GFI. The lack of a viewfinder mitigates an upgrade.
Losing TFT mouny is a leap.
60+ years later I have always been a prime kinda guy.
You touched on dust.
I see a least common denominator why dust enters cameras.
Especially point and shoots where the lense must extend from pancake storage mode, and macros being racked out.
When they extend a vacuum is drawn in the body.
Where ever air rushes in, it draws in dust.
Makers need to add a filtered air intake.
Hope you read this far. Chris
With inprovement do you think that LX100II will ibclude in the next update. I has LX13 and LX15 but switch to 2nd hand Fuji X-pro 1, X-T1. I lost the creativity so I think I will get the next verson of this camera.
The disappointing things with this update in my opinion, are a mic input and the ability to send a live HDMI out. That would have been a significant improvement, even if everything else remained the same. Video quality on the original model is excellent. There are some absolutely stunning examples of what can be achieved using this camera, all over UA-cam. You kinda play down the video capability of this camera, but Fenchel and Janisch's 'Lumix Lx100 4K Test' and their 'Grey Day' footage are stunning. Bjorn Fischer's 'Spring Is Here', is also great. If you're looking at this camera, check those examples out. I own the original and it's great, the update isn't worth it in my opinion though, which is a pity. Thanks for the review, guys.
I had the same sensor dust issue with my sony rx100 ii and I never put it in my pocket. However, it strikes me that if you are going to put any pocketable compact camera with a zoom lens in your pocket, then it would be a good idea to put it in to a small zip-lock freezer bag before you do so. Obviously, if you are in a situation where you need fast access, then you just keep it in your hand.
agree, everyone should give it a try, the control is very good
I love your videos guys! even when I'm not interest that much in some gear it is a pleasant experience, thanks.
Something brought up in the video - dust getting inside the lens. I have a Fz2500 & over the 2 years I've used it I can see 1 or 2 dust particles on the inside of the lens. Don't seem to notice any spots when in Lightroom but what are your thoughts on me sending the camera to Panasonic's service center to have the lens removed & then cleaned ? With a fixed lens it can't be done ? Wouldn't be worth the expense ? Also, I've really been enjoying my Fz & it's all around versatility & would look forward to seeing a future " Fz3000 " with incorporated G9 features. Any thoughts on this happening?
You guys rock! Love watching all your videos!
As far as nigh shooting goes.
What would you recommend?
This LX100ii or the Sony RX100VA.
i currently have the Lumix on pre-order.
Would this camera be good for a beginner photographer? I was looking at
the canon eos m50, but this has been catching my eye lately.
So what other options are there with similar external controls and features? What other brands come close? I've been holding off on buying a replacement to my broken Canon for 3 years, this was the one I wanted but it seems to fall very short of its competitors. DPreview what are the other options?
I think with a movable screen, this camera would be perfect. Which camera would you prefer? Sony rx100(3) or panasonic lx100?
Still waiting for the GM5 Mark II. Now that would be truly compact, pocketable and easy to clean the sensor. Still happy with my little red Mark I.
Can you comment on autofocus speed for candid pictures of people/family/kids compared to the Canon G5X ii? I'm trying to decide between these two cameras and wondering if Panasonic's DFD should be one of the deciding factors. Just for stills, video doesn't matter much to me. Thanks in advance!
I want this as my EDC/B cam to my GH5. I just need the 10-25 summilux lens and a Sony D100 audio recorder 😁
What laptop to edit on? An Apple M1, Surface 3 or HP Spectre 360x/OLED?
The rubber grip on my LX7 melted. Will the plastic on the LX100 ii fare better than the rubber on the mark I?
I loved using my LX100 however it would front focus with landscapes. Moved to a GX85 and the 12-32mm but never enjoyed the lens and it weighed so much no longer could carry in jacket.
Great, great video! It was super balanced review highlighting its photography centric wonderful user experience but just a ho-hum barely incremental upgrade for a very, very expensive camera that has extremely tough competition to stack up against.
Do you recommend this for sports photos?
Hmm, a correction about the focal length crop factor. With the multi-aspect ratio design (using ~17MP of the 20MP sensor) the 10.9 - 34mm lens *is* a 35mm equivalent of 24-75mm. So 24mm is not "more like a 32mm lens" [6:38].
Do I win a camera?
Is there such thing as a good quality wide-angle adapter that can be used with this camera to go a bit wider than then 24mm equivalent?
Its a great little cam i just think at 950 its way to expensive for what it is right now
I wouldn't buy it even at 600
@@nikos-giorgos I got it for 300
@@bryanglez Sure you did!
@@nikos-giorgos I can show you lmao
@@bryanglez Sure you can
Ok, consistently good work.
Time to subscribe.
How does this camera compares to the canon g5x ii in terms of image quality and focus? Thanks
Thanks for the video. For Chris, Jordan and anyone else who might have this camera: Is there any noticeable shutter lag when shooting stills?
Excellent! Instant sub. Still that flimsy wheel on the back is a no no for me.. I liked the mark I but need something more heavy duty.
If 4K video is important to me, should I pick LX100II or RX100VA ?
I have the twin Leica D-Lux version. The sensor has dust baked onto it. Sits on the shelf. Such a shame.
Good review old chap THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Does this accept a 43mm B+W nano mrc protection filter #oo7m? And if it does, can you leave this filter on - will the camera still close correctly when you turn it off? Thanks
Now that the Sony ZV1 is out, PANASONIC should use this as the basis for there own vlogging camera with that micro 4/3 sensor.
Can you (or anyone else who knows) please clarify something? In official specs, it says that the first version is 55mm thick while this one is 64mm. But they look identical in thickness in every side by side picture. Is the LX100 II really significantly thicker than the original? Thanks. (Yes, 1cm is significant.)
good review guys many thanks for the kind tips
How does this compare to the Sony RX100 VA or RX 100 VI at equal focal lengths and past the tilting screen ability ?
Is it really that much better than the original LX100?
What about watching the video BEFORE asking a question ?
Sorry, my english is verry bad . What is this in front of your Lens? An UV Filter or an CPL Filter ?
The time you made a review of the previous LX100 model, all your hair was black. Shame on Panasonic.
Haha
I understand that this camera is hard to improve on because the Mark I is just so good.
But I wish we have at least tilting screen and better OIS.
Does it look choppy or is it just me? Is it too high of a shutter speed or is it my monitor?
That time lapse looks amazing...
What about Fujifilm xt100 with kit lens? Would it be better than this?
Wish I'd known about the dust issue before I bought one of these.
Nice review. Was Jordan drinking - ha ha - or did he forget the tripod? Some of the lock down shots were having trouble holding their balance.... Speaking of drinking, are you guys gonna do your annual "best of" video this year?
Hi guys will u review the fujixf10 soon?
Question to LX100 (I and II) users! When I turn on my Lumix camera (TZ101), simultaneously pressing the Display button AND turning the Power switch, the camera is turning on right into Display mode, which is useful, when you don't want to record and your lens to be extracted, just to check your photos. Is this working the same for the LX100? This feature is not included in the offical manual but quite useful, I missed it from my previous old Canon until I managed to find out how it works here. Probably it iworks the same for all Lumix cameras.
I believe there is a feature in the menu that keeps the lens in when powered on.
Is there any news on a update to the LX10?
Oh, regarding color science, I like the first model more! At least, from the image you did. The oranges, greens, browns, everything is better on the old model.