This is way more problematic than usual because this is supposed to be a safety feature. Making it more functional for influencers means it's safer for some specific people... for marketing reasons.
I was thinking the same thing. This is technically a safety feature and needs to be trained for everyone. Its like the m3 ear plugs all over again but putting the user and everyone around you in danger.
Yeah given how AI works, this is incredibly evil. They have tailored their technology so it’s better for high-visibility use cases that people make decisions on, with the assumption that they are representative, which Tesla has deliberately made no longer the case. In exchange for that marketing boost, everyone is less safe in a critical scenario like driving. I’m hoping for billion-dollar fines and production audits.
"safer for some specific people" Such as regulators , or even MORE insidious doing this to internal testers who would then believe as a truth the lies they are given they would then testify as fact.
@@mattymerr701 It's not explicitly classified as one, but it's marketed as one. Even if you loosen it a bit to just call it "a safety-critical feature" it's still a huge problem. Something that could kill you if it malfunctions shouldn't be manipulated to work better when the cameras are rolling.
I'm not surprised at all. Channels like AI DRIVR that are constantly showing off "FSD" seem to have great experiences with it, yet real-world users seem to be very distrustful of it after trying it for themselves. Makes perfect sense when you realize that those UA-camrs were getting a better experience than everyone else.
this is like saying googlemaps is better in Chicago than in Gary Indiana an hour east driving... yeah, because more people have cameras and drive in chicago more
Makes you wonder how many of those channels have commented on this coming out and how many of them share Linus' views on being "the most anonymous data point". Their responses will say a lot about how much those channels can be trusted as impartial independent review sources.
@@dertythegrower but thats not what they have done if a vip lived in the middle of no were they still would have priotised that over a majour road conecting two cities they have definetly prioritsed certain suberbs over more used roads in order to do this
AI DRIVR makes the car drive to random points SF. Obviously training for a big city with hundreds of thousands of people in it is way better than a smaller city. There's no real way to make him a "Vip" on these routes chosen by random in this large city. The only time "Vip" routes would work is common routes like their home or workplace, not completely throughout the city.
@@Xirtamani It is still immature. Especially after the whole sexual harassment, or what ever it was, investigation. This is how you lose fans. A mature person would just ignore them. And don't say anything. Linus let's the littlest things get to him.
@@saulgoodman2018 “especially after the sexual harassment” seriously dude? Sod off if you’re not gonna update your facts. That whole situation was properly investigated and no foul play was found or reasonably assumed. If you’re gonna just latch onto negativity without accepting resolve; what are you even doing?
really, at this rate, should this type of data be proprietary? This is data that if it isn't processed correctly could lead to loss of life. This should be auditable, and it doesn't seem like it is, or in this case, they could easily lie on their own audits.
There’s a guy that made a video about incidents in private spaceflight, and this is something he hammered on repeatedly: unlike in public agencies like NASA, literally nothing about anything they do and about the machines they put people into is visible to experts or the public. People have died in these machines and we still don’t have a full picture because that information is ‘private property’.
The "problem" the companys would have with that is they put insane amounts of money and time into the gathered data so they aren't too interested in gifting competitors billions in RnD This would have to be a global thing to happen, which won't happen so we can only dream
@darkdraconis so, companies should just have the right to gamble human lives (and not just those of their cusromers, but of EVERYONE on the road!) for their own monetary gains with no way to hold them accountable? 🧐 Yeah, I'd rather force domestic manufacturers to publicize their FSD-related data and subject themselves to thorough safety audits and ban the use of FSD programs by any foreign manufacturer that doesn't do the same in our market!
I'm not saying the practice is good, I mean there's still so much context missing to really form a hard opinion on it. But do tell, what part of it is false advertising? Are they not selling it as a work-in-development feature? Just because your expectations don't align with what the product offers, doesn't mean the product was ever advertised to meet your specific subjective expectations of it.
Finally something I can legitimately weigh in on, as ADAS and Autonomous Driving is my industry. The insane ethics violation aside, this is a potential huge safety concern for "typical" drivers. Without having inside data and procedure to analyze, I can only speculate, but if this training data is allowed to mingle with the general training data, depending on its weighting, this can absolutely alter the system's perception across the board, not just on the selectively-trained routes. This is compounded even more by Tesla's decision to only use optical sensors, requiring extensive focused training and situational interpretation that could otherwise be compensated and calculated for if they had supported their autonomy system with SRR, MRR, LRR, LiDar and Sonar like literally every other manufacturer is doing. The phrase "trick of the eye" absolutely applies here. If you don't understand what you're looking at, you reach out and touch it, or listen to it, or smell it, you don't just guess based on what you see. Tesla vehicles only have eyes to comprehend the world around them, and it's already an insane challenge to make it work. Skewing this interpretation with excessive data on specific routes can cripple the system's ability to interpret similar-looking but completely different situations elsewhere. Imagine if the only colors you ever knew were Red, Green and Blue, and then one day, somebody gave you Purple. Is it Blue? Is it Red? Or do you immediately stop and request input? Now what if each color meant the difference between life or death. This is a gross oversimplification, but I hope it drives home the point: What Tesla is doing is jeapordizing safety and life, when what they should be doing is hunkering down on their decision to approach autonomy in the most difficult way possible, and bloody well perfecting it. If they can actually make their system work in its currently deployed format (cameras only), the data collected and the scientific boundaries crossed have the potential to positively alter humanity, and not just in the automotive industry.
I think you put it very well, this consistency of misleading and outright lying to customers makes people not trust Self driving as a whole when in reality, when done right it can make huge changes for the world at large. Elon Musk is hurting the same industry that he is trying to push. And to answer Linus's question: YES, IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL TO LIE TO CONSUMERS.
Completely agree.... in my mind, this is just a more sophisticated version of the "Diesel-Gate" and all the others where a vehicle can detect it's being tested on a dyno and swap to an alternate tune in the ECU. Ultimately it's the same thing, falsely representing your product to customers, but the differences are that in one you're lying to a government regulatory body and then using that to put in your OWN advertising materials. Tesla is skirting around this by duping influencers and then letting THEM lie to their audience instead of it being in anything that comes from Tesla's mouths.
In the Musk book, they told a story about how Musk kept getting mad that self driving was messing up on a route to work. The employees were going to repaint the road instead of fix the problem.
Lol it's just like how the soviets painted their targets yellow so their homing missiles would actually hit their their target and look good in front of the top brass.
It should be said about your film credits analogy… that list of people is not even close to everyone that has worked on a given project. Those are ONLY people who have argued for the right to have a “credit”.
It's pretty rare not to be given a credit. You don't really have to argue for it. Pretty much ever production just automatically collects all the names in order to write the credits. I haven't seen end credits where they didn't include people in catering, legal, insurance, accounting and departments like those
"Customer support close to developers" - HELL YES! When I worked CS, the developers asked me to run QA on the RTM version, and I found more bugs in 2 days than they had in 2 WEEKS. AND I was able to write up a Q&A with workarounds for the bugs they couldn't fix in time and release it ON release date. It was one of the smoothest releases they had on that product and it likely greatly cut down on the number of calls *I* had to take once I was back in my CS cubical.
8:43 Fun fact, in the biografy book of Elon it does say that he was frustrated the Autopilot was still unable to drive him to work without intervention in the early days, because the lack of road markings... Then the employees made their way somehow to close the road for 3 hours, rent a road painter machine, and paint the road, so AP would work.. 😂😂😂😂
@@joz534yup nothing more based then having to rely on the beneficence of a corporation to fix basic infrastructure required of a modern society, instead of the government.
daily reminder that Musk told his fanbase and shareholders that your Tesla (not a new one, the one you currently own) is gonna be making you 30k a year just by itself as a robot taxi, this man should absolutely be in prison
What’s your point? He’s telling us something that can and will likely be a reality in the future for their cars… just because it’s not here yet doesn’t mean he breaking any rules or laws.
So what's your claim here? Did musk promise "if you buy this car you will make 30 automatically because your car works as a taxi for you while you don't use it" and it doesn't or what's the criminal offense? On what basis should he be jailed exactly? He does some shady marketing shit, he doesn't traffic people or se*ualize kids. Hollywood does that for you, the people up there should be in jail lmao
@@EvolKnives seeing his track record of things that either never came out or came out nowhere near advertised i think its fair that people are skeptical
The only way these kinds of cars would work optimally is if they were on a rail. Perhaps, we should just call them "trains with extra steps and less safety"?
Well to be honest 99% of normal drives are not ones where you enjoy or even use such performance in a car. Yes faster has some benefits, but that fast is just not necessary for commutes. It definetly can be fun and can be nice to have, nothing against it, i love performance cars, but for most drives "normal" people do it would be much more enjoyable to not have to do anything, chill, call, watch UA-cam, sleep... whatever you want to. 0-100 in 3 seconds is nothing you do every street...
The lies about FSD are absolutely unacceptable, but the reality seems to be that most Tesla owners aren't buying them for that feature. They'd have still bought the car knowing that FSD wasn't included. Fair game to slam them for false advertising, but the buyers largely don't care.
"$15,000 Beta*, Supervised*, FSD" does not include "Tesla pays for insurance and all accident payouts by default bc Tesla software 'fully self drives' the car."
The "hire people who just 'drive around' and test the self-driving" part could be done if Linus partnered up with taxis and/or ride sharing platforms. Sure they are professionals and might get biased data in a different sense, but it would definitely not be linked to him.
Except that at least over here taxis and ride sharing drivers barely know how to drive. Like 9/10 out of the previous close calls I've had were because of taxi drivers.
Been rocking Full Self Driving. It's fantastic. Very rarely do I need to intervene. True the marketing/naming may be a bit over generous but it is full self driving. Just not 100% fully autonomous, you do need to be there as a fail safe.
8:45 - And what's worse -- is they can just detect patterns and categorize as "generic travel" and "awkward travel" such as if somebody is driving in loops, driving out/back, taking odd exists and then getting back on highway, going to parking lot and then not entering the store. This data can then be aggregated and then paired to the car, tesla account, and then friends/associates of that tesla account -- and then the tesla account personal info. This is essentially a DEFEAT device for external review. And i almost 100% guarantee they do this.
Also tack on more names behind the scenes to the movie credits, because not nearly everyone is actually credited. I have done VFX and animated many movie title sequences and my name has never been listed in the credits. Instead the studio I worked at and maybe my boss is listed.
I am sure numerous people have noticed this in the amount of people that work on a movie now and even going back 10 years have skyrocketed. Compare that to most any movie from the 70s or 80s even the early 90s.
Would love to see a video of Linus following that whole process flow chart for an upcoming video. Introducinh people from each department and how a video comes together in the end. May also shed some light on any inefficiencies in the process and team members from each department could give feedback on improvements they think would help.
12:30 I heard analysis of LOTR and characters of Gandalf and Saruma specifically making point that reason former was better than latter is that while Saruman only dealt with great of this world that actually isolated him, Gandalf had connection with little of this world that actually build it, because he understood that great things are made of small things and small people.
15:07 that's a really great tip, but I feel like one thing is missing: When you read the credits, don't try to read all the names, you're gonna quite literally miss the bigger picture (which is also the poinLinus is making) if you do! Instead, read which JOBS those names did and look at how many names it took to get that job done. You'll find that the acting cast, screenwriters and director/producers only make up like 1% of a Hollywood movie's staff! Even the special effects and CGI/post production crews are rather small compared to all the support staff needed for the logistics behind the scenes of making the movie and distributing the final product!
Honestly, that's just something I always assumed they did. Try to give reviewers the absolute best one they had and the best experience they could. Cause me as a viewer, if I see a reviewer has a problem with a product, I just imagine I'm going to see that problem ten fold.
i don’t even trust Lane Keep Assist while i’m in traffic. my favorite feature is Active Cruise Control. my right calf is twice the size of my left from driving all day, and that one thing helps a ton.
Honestly all that's really needed to fix this is DISCLOSURE. There's logical reasoning that can be given for why these things are being done, the problem is that when people don't know that Elon and influencers are getting a better than average experience, then they're essentially being lied to. Tesla just needs to AGGRESSIVELY tell customers that this is the case, then customers are not purchasing based on incorrect perceptions.
Many years ago a phone company re-prioritised mobile network cells in the CBD of Sydney Australia just so I could test a GPRS modem from my office without it constantly cell hopping. Special treatment is definitely a thing across the board.
This absolutely does not surprise me. Tesla has been incredibly skeevy for **years** now. I can’t even get into how skeevy because of reasons, but just know that however skeevy you think the skeevier-than-average company is, they are at least triple that.
I've heard of this happening within a car company before, but it was aimed in house. Imagine a car with custom transmission shift programming and seam welded reinforcements getting a project approved. That's a very different thing from this however, as i doubt those executives were out there making inaccurate product claims based on that ringer. This is different in that it approaches the point where a false advertising claim is plausible. The counter argument would be that this is common practice for everyone, just not usually applied to software. High profile owners get their own sales channels, their own repair expectations, free car loaners, free trackdays, you name it.
While you make many valid points, on the point of prioritizing routes for Elon\Influencers, it's not about finetuning specific routes, but addressing key problem areas. - CEO is essentially their lead engineer (extremely weird, but he often on the floor with the coders). - FSD requires Quality Data, the specific influencers and Elon, cited specific problems for AI and are known for their quality data. At least one of the influencers cites Tesla testing the specific difficult turn noted as "chucks left turn", so this has been known for a while.
“Further and further away management is…” explains the Boeing situation so much, management is in Chicago instead of in Seattle where the design is happening
here's an interesting thing, in australia it would be considered misleading marketing which is prosecuted as "dishonest dealings". Though tesla can breath easy, our government rarely does anything anti business anymore
@13:30 I feel you guys, I am going to be explaining the Engineering Change Control Process that my company uses at a high level to my design team tomorrow. You can have truly brilliant individuals on a team but you will still have blind spots.
Musk occasionally does a demo to show off the assisted driving features, so in that sense he's effectively just one of the "influencers" whose routes have been given special attention, because it's one of the routes seen by the public and the media when he records those videos.
I say make channels for individuals projects, then just move those channels around departments, I don't know how hard that would be though, and it likely has issues too
It is not the vehicle itself, nor the product, nor a golden sample, none of that. It is similar to Google maps, rich areas of wealthy neighborhoods of millionaire people have greater detail and are updated more frequently to make that application more functional for that specific market. In this case, areas frequented by influencers, millionaires and wherever Elon Musk usually daily travels, the autopilot system will work better, by software, not because the influencers' car is special, more attention is paid to fine-tuning details in those areas.
It's false advertising no matter what your product is. Public safety is also relevant. Like say you spend 90% of your "processing" to track the route of someone who spends like most of their driving on the freeway, and you try to relate that data into driving in the suburbs, and the car won't be able to handle whatever data it sees when a kid follows a ball into the road. This is stupid at best, but dangerous to the core. Especially because it's obviously done to promote their product and have more users use it.
i remember gacha games doing similar, where influencers would get extremely good RNG, and they wouldn't even know it was rigged. Different to games like crossout where they actually just give a ton of virtual money to youtubers so that they get boosted into having interesting gameplay
Like with most laws surrounding cars, self driving will likely be written in blood if at all, weve seen some of it with the lane hold and people sleeping behind the wheel during commutes
Beyond the issue of creating the false since of reliability. This shows their data is not anonymous. If they can prioritize influencer data, they would have to know whose data is whose. This is a major security issue that is being overlooked.
Side note: business insider has some great content on their channel. A few of their shows that my son and I enjoy are, so expensive, still standing, worldwide waste. My son is 12 and it's the first thing he wants to watch on UA-cam. Fun stuff
6:28 > Tesla manually optimizes FSD for known test routes of influencers and reviewers > Chat: _"HoLd ThE iNfLuEnCeRs AcCoUnTaBLe!"_ 🤡 Why are people so freaking stupid??? Why do they always blame anyone BUT the big tech corporation that created the problem in the first place?!! 🤦♂️ It's also the same story with issues regarding privacy, user experience, quality, repairability, ownership and sustainability. I don't get it! It's almost as if people WANT to only be sold products that: - spy on them, - advertise to them, - restrict them to only using it how the manufacturer intended, rather than how the user needed it to work, - have critical design and manufacturing flaws and - are rigged to be unrepairable in the likely case something breaks, - are rigged to be barely usable without an extra paid subscription and - are rigged to become fully unusable whenever the manufacturer decides to no longer support them! What the fu*k is wrong with people?!!🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Tesla's FSD is definitely being marketed with lies, but the experience seems to vary *wildly* I watched a whole video in real time of CGP Grey using autopilot on a moderately difficult road that had pretty limited traffic and it handled it really, really well for the most part. It's *unlikely* this was trained in advance because it was a spontaneous type of video. Equally though I've seen it really struggle in situations that really aren't that complex from a human standpoint and it had to be overridden way too much. Clearly it's a complex issue, and it's a genuinely great idea, but the marketing for it is just brutally disingenuous
"How can you think..." more-or-less the same way as "How would you think that a company would detect you're doing an exhaust gas check and change the engine characteristics". Because they can.
Oh please. It's called advertising, every single company has been doing it for as long as companies have existed. The solution is not MORE regulation, and almost never is.
It is deliberately delivering an unrepresentative experience to reviews. They know by specifily focusing on particularly popular places, they are delivering an experience and impression of safety that will not be true on the rest of the roads. I agree that other companies do similar things and it is a a big problem for the tech industry, but that doesn't above Tesla of anything.
Definitely deceptive and not surprising. Every version since early beta has had a consistent 100% failure rate at an intersection by my house, ironically 50 feet away from a Tesla showroom, where it takes the wrong lane and tries to merge at the last second over a solid line (illegally). I've reported it at least 100 times and every "rewrite", "new stack", "new neural net", etc they've delivered has had no improvement whatsoever. I always suspected, with the level of improvement observed on UA-camr routes, that something fishy was going on. Edit: clarified "early beta" - have had since FSD beta version 9
As someone who believes FSD is the best approach yet so far, E2E data pipeline and all that jazz, this bambozzlement pisses me off to no end. Only way to flip them off is to have random owners shoot video all over the country, which is not going to happen any time soon.
If I get a few FPS less than somebody in an article on CPU, I'll maybe be sad. If I might lose my life because I'm not going on "influencer road" and the safety feature isn't ready, that is (even tough a bit exaggerated) basically playing with somebodys life for a bit more sales.
if more companies showed properly how things cost so much I think people would be more inclined to pay asking prices for stuff. Doesn't have to be a dollar for dollar. But I feel trust me bro we put soooooo much time and money into this. How do we the consumer really know until after we have wasted out money that the item is a cheap chinesium dumpsterfire of an item. Not accusing LTT of anything like this, one of the benefits of the LMG is they can show how they make their bits and bobs
The best case scenario is that channels like AI DRIVR stress-test the system on more challenging roads than other drivers do, so their data is more likely to be valuable. This actually seems pretty likely to me because these UA-camrs don't take the same routes every video; they definitely don't take the same routes they drive on a daily basis, either. I don't think giving their data a heavier weight would do much to tailor FSD to their area given how diverse one person's "area" can be. Hopefully it's just a matter of finding the data from these UA-camrs' tests more valuable.
Why wouldn’t someone like MKHD assume Tesla engineers were optimizing FSD for his personal routes. He already got his Model S repaired faster due to his influencer status. Ive personally tried FSD on my Model 3 and its obviously not ready for primetime on local roads.
Unrelated but I've been watching LTT since the beginning and WAN show as well and I think Linus needs to let Luke drive more and speak more. At most he gets to say something that doesn't get replied to or gets interrupted
Are you "actually" surprised? Like of course they would do this. It's big business. Like 100Million dollar/Billion dollar business. Yes It's scummy, but I'm not surprised at all. Yes, it should be illegal.
That "Elon hate boner" card they pull is just their low frequency dog whistle. It's something they're trying to make it work for years yet they fail to make it ultrasound and just making themselves look silly. Edit: by they I mean the other side not Linus
Its not different than the food ads you see on tv and commercials, so you go to the restaurant and order the thing you saw in the commercial and its completely different. Its a sad, broken down, nasty looking version of what you saw on the commercial. But these companies are still allowed to show these commercials of rainbows and unicorn farts as amazing, yet what you get in reality is a meth laden version of it.
Yes, where do these high-profile people live? Highly populated areas and best bang for the buck for outcome. More people driving, having a better outcome than those roads that get 10cars a day.
Linus, your team must figure out how to be far more trusting with softwares than hardwares. Softwares are the cheapest, but most time consuming, unless you have multiple people working on the same thing in multiple areas. Or have multiples of similar ideas that can connect with each other to make a network of multiple things. We needed a super kernel ever since the word “metaverse” even became a popular word in the late 2010’s and early 2020’s.
Remember the good old days when graphics card drivers would optimize to get higher framerates on benchmarking and certain games? What's the difference with FSD? Most drives want to get safely from point A to point B and back again safely and FSD that performs perfect makes a bad video. Influencers work hard to find the repeatable "edge cases" that make for a good video. When the errors get fixed, they move on to find the next one. This seems like free bug chasing. I drive FSD on occasion and it's so good for my type use that it's boring. I daily drive (rush hours) the most dangerous stretch of road in my state (US 19 Pinellas county FL). In conclusion, it seems like you're missing the point, if an influencer makes 5 videos in a row of a Tesla failing a certain route, after the software fixes that issue, the influencer is not going to make videos in perpetuity of the car performing well on that route, they will move on to the next bug.
Modern carmakers, Tesla in particular make me want to buy the simplest car of 2000s where the only assists are Traction Control and ABS and the only convenience is AC and automated windows. I hate this tech sh*t in cars so god damn much.
I've always taken it as read that no reviewer receiving free samples is entirely trustworthy. I'm not cynical to the point of dismissing them out of hand, but that kind of access encourages a certain level of positive bias. Funnily enough, it was car magazines that fostered that level of doubt in me. Every single time a new model came along suddenly the previous gen was fraught with issues. You could also always tell which automaker was more lenient amount criticism. But at least there was a recognizable pattern. It's a lot harder to trust anything today. But yeah, there's no question that what Tesla has done is egregiously bad.
Most “FSD Influencers”on here were beta testers, Tesla vetted these people to allow them to have FSD originally. So I’m ok with Tesla giving their data higher priority since they most often stress test their cars. Look up Chuck’s unprotected left and you’ll see why Tesla wants to use his data…..
This. Also, you want to train your self driving system on vetted testers (and yes, beeing an influencer is a nice side income for them) because you want high quality data - testers reacting when the car does something wrong, and obeying the laws of the road. Not any schmuck that goes to sleep in a beta FSD build and then blames tesla it had a malfunction.
@@__-fl5rn That is the thing you do not need to do that because it is a system that Automatically reports when you stopped it you are supposed to type a reply but that is not something influencers are doing according to themselves.
Expectation: The car will be safer for influencers Reality: The car will be even less safe for influencers because Elon is out to get them for their Twitter takes💀
5:58, that was just uncalled for. That was just immature. No reason to insult your audience and fans. Linus cannot take any criticism. They do complain about Elon, every since he bought Twitter. Lots of the criticism towards him, was unwarranted. It's 1 thing to complain about something like this. But it's another to complain about how he want's free speech.
This is way more problematic than usual because this is supposed to be a safety feature.
Making it more functional for influencers means it's safer for some specific people... for marketing reasons.
I was thinking the same thing. This is technically a safety feature and needs to be trained for everyone. Its like the m3 ear plugs all over again but putting the user and everyone around you in danger.
Yeah given how AI works, this is incredibly evil. They have tailored their technology so it’s better for high-visibility use cases that people make decisions on, with the assumption that they are representative, which Tesla has deliberately made no longer the case.
In exchange for that marketing boost, everyone is less safe in a critical scenario like driving.
I’m hoping for billion-dollar fines and production audits.
"safer for some specific people"
Such as regulators , or even MORE insidious doing this to internal testers who would then believe as a truth the lies they are given they would then testify as fact.
There are parts of it that are a safety feature but I don't think FSD itself is classified as a safety feature is it?
@@mattymerr701 It's not explicitly classified as one, but it's marketed as one.
Even if you loosen it a bit to just call it "a safety-critical feature" it's still a huge problem. Something that could kill you if it malfunctions shouldn't be manipulated to work better when the cameras are rolling.
I'm not surprised at all. Channels like AI DRIVR that are constantly showing off "FSD" seem to have great experiences with it, yet real-world users seem to be very distrustful of it after trying it for themselves. Makes perfect sense when you realize that those UA-camrs were getting a better experience than everyone else.
Just seems obvious that cities will have better testing data than rural farming areas....
this is like saying googlemaps is better in Chicago than in Gary Indiana an hour east driving... yeah, because more people have cameras and drive in chicago more
Makes you wonder how many of those channels have commented on this coming out and how many of them share Linus' views on being "the most anonymous data point". Their responses will say a lot about how much those channels can be trusted as impartial independent review sources.
@@dertythegrower but thats not what they have done if a vip lived in the middle of no were they still would have priotised that over a majour road conecting two cities they have definetly prioritsed certain suberbs over more used roads in order to do this
AI DRIVR makes the car drive to random points SF. Obviously training for a big city with hundreds of thousands of people in it is way better than a smaller city. There's no real way to make him a "Vip" on these routes chosen by random in this large city. The only time "Vip" routes would work is common routes like their home or workplace, not completely throughout the city.
“I can’t hear you with his * * * * in your mouth”…. **presses like button while laughing**
Only the immatures will do and like that?
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@@saulgoodman2018Sometimes it's the best answer for people like that. Call it immature, doesn't make the point less clear or less true.
@@Xirtamani It is still immature. Especially after the whole sexual harassment, or what ever it was, investigation.
This is how you lose fans.
A mature person would just ignore them. And don't say anything.
Linus let's the littlest things get to him.
@@saulgoodman2018 “especially after the sexual harassment” seriously dude? Sod off if you’re not gonna update your facts. That whole situation was properly investigated and no foul play was found or reasonably assumed. If you’re gonna just latch onto negativity without accepting resolve; what are you even doing?
really, at this rate, should this type of data be proprietary? This is data that if it isn't processed correctly could lead to loss of life. This should be auditable, and it doesn't seem like it is, or in this case, they could easily lie on their own audits.
There’s a guy that made a video about incidents in private spaceflight, and this is something he hammered on repeatedly: unlike in public agencies like NASA, literally nothing about anything they do and about the machines they put people into is visible to experts or the public. People have died in these machines and we still don’t have a full picture because that information is ‘private property’.
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The "problem" the companys would have with that is they put insane amounts of money and time into the gathered data so they aren't too interested in gifting competitors billions in RnD
This would have to be a global thing to happen, which won't happen so we can only dream
@darkdraconis so, companies should just have the right to gamble human lives (and not just those of their cusromers, but of EVERYONE on the road!) for their own monetary gains with no way to hold them accountable? 🧐
Yeah, I'd rather force domestic manufacturers to publicize their FSD-related data and subject themselves to thorough safety audits and ban the use of FSD programs by any foreign manufacturer that doesn't do the same in our market!
Go ahead and audit it.
Do it, yeah.
Go.
😂
Gotta love people who want government's nose in everything, as if that will help.
This has to do with public safety. You shouldn't be allowed to sell a safety feature on misleading safety data.
Try telling that to big pharma…….🎉
False advertising is illegal at state and federal level (US)
Good luck holding Elon too account. Rich people are basically kings in the US.
What is being falsely advertised?
@@Rybcto* bruh cmon
I'm not saying the practice is good, I mean there's still so much context missing to really form a hard opinion on it. But do tell, what part of it is false advertising? Are they not selling it as a work-in-development feature? Just because your expectations don't align with what the product offers, doesn't mean the product was ever advertised to meet your specific subjective expectations of it.
@@zalyster youtubers are advertisers for their audience and for people looking up information about the product.
Finally something I can legitimately weigh in on, as ADAS and Autonomous Driving is my industry.
The insane ethics violation aside, this is a potential huge safety concern for "typical" drivers. Without having inside data and procedure to analyze, I can only speculate, but if this training data is allowed to mingle with the general training data, depending on its weighting, this can absolutely alter the system's perception across the board, not just on the selectively-trained routes. This is compounded even more by Tesla's decision to only use optical sensors, requiring extensive focused training and situational interpretation that could otherwise be compensated and calculated for if they had supported their autonomy system with SRR, MRR, LRR, LiDar and Sonar like literally every other manufacturer is doing.
The phrase "trick of the eye" absolutely applies here. If you don't understand what you're looking at, you reach out and touch it, or listen to it, or smell it, you don't just guess based on what you see. Tesla vehicles only have eyes to comprehend the world around them, and it's already an insane challenge to make it work. Skewing this interpretation with excessive data on specific routes can cripple the system's ability to interpret similar-looking but completely different situations elsewhere. Imagine if the only colors you ever knew were Red, Green and Blue, and then one day, somebody gave you Purple. Is it Blue? Is it Red? Or do you immediately stop and request input? Now what if each color meant the difference between life or death.
This is a gross oversimplification, but I hope it drives home the point: What Tesla is doing is jeapordizing safety and life, when what they should be doing is hunkering down on their decision to approach autonomy in the most difficult way possible, and bloody well perfecting it. If they can actually make their system work in its currently deployed format (cameras only), the data collected and the scientific boundaries crossed have the potential to positively alter humanity, and not just in the automotive industry.
I think you put it very well, this consistency of misleading and outright lying to customers makes people not trust Self driving as a whole when in reality, when done right it can make huge changes for the world at large. Elon Musk is hurting the same industry that he is trying to push.
And to answer Linus's question: YES, IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL TO LIE TO CONSUMERS.
Completely agree.... in my mind, this is just a more sophisticated version of the "Diesel-Gate" and all the others where a vehicle can detect it's being tested on a dyno and swap to an alternate tune in the ECU.
Ultimately it's the same thing, falsely representing your product to customers, but the differences are that in one you're lying to a government regulatory body and then using that to put in your OWN advertising materials. Tesla is skirting around this by duping influencers and then letting THEM lie to their audience instead of it being in anything that comes from Tesla's mouths.
Meanwhile according to NHTSA's own standards - top safe vehicles are mostly Teslas. Curious.
In the Musk book, they told a story about how Musk kept getting mad that self driving was messing up on a route to work. The employees were going to repaint the road instead of fix the problem.
Lol it's just like how the soviets painted their targets yellow so their homing missiles would actually hit their their target and look good in front of the top brass.
It should be said about your film credits analogy… that list of people is not even close to everyone that has worked on a given project. Those are ONLY people who have argued for the right to have a “credit”.
I remember seeing caterers listed in the credits of a movie I saw once.
It's pretty rare not to be given a credit. You don't really have to argue for it. Pretty much ever production just automatically collects all the names in order to write the credits. I haven't seen end credits where they didn't include people in catering, legal, insurance, accounting and departments like those
"Customer support close to developers" - HELL YES! When I worked CS, the developers asked me to run QA on the RTM version, and I found more bugs in 2 days than they had in 2 WEEKS. AND I was able to write up a Q&A with workarounds for the bugs they couldn't fix in time and release it ON release date. It was one of the smoothest releases they had on that product and it likely greatly cut down on the number of calls *I* had to take once I was back in my CS cubical.
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Fun fact, in the biografy book of Elon it does say that he was frustrated the Autopilot was still unable to drive him to work without intervention in the early days, because the lack of road markings... Then the employees made their way somehow to close the road for 3 hours, rent a road painter machine, and paint the road, so AP would work.. 😂😂😂😂
And when it snows nothing works.
Reminds me of Dominos fixing potholes lol
@@zalyster that's actually based.
@@joz534yup nothing more based then having to rely on the beneficence of a corporation to fix basic infrastructure required of a modern society, instead of the government.
Biografy 😅
daily reminder that Musk told his fanbase and shareholders that your Tesla (not a new one, the one you currently own) is gonna be making you 30k a year just by itself as a robot taxi, this man should absolutely be in prison
What’s your point? He’s telling us something that can and will likely be a reality in the future for their cars… just because it’s not here yet doesn’t mean he breaking any rules or laws.
I don’t think he should be in jail. But people definitely need to stop taking everything he says as gospel.
So what's your claim here?
Did musk promise "if you buy this car you will make 30 automatically because your car works as a taxi for you while you don't use it" and it doesn't or what's the criminal offense?
On what basis should he be jailed exactly?
He does some shady marketing shit, he doesn't traffic people or se*ualize kids.
Hollywood does that for you, the people up there should be in jail lmao
@@PreacherBroheresy! A heretic! Get the tar and the feathers!
Tesla fan boys make the Mac fan boys seem reasonable and grounded.
@@EvolKnives seeing his track record of things that either never came out or came out nowhere near advertised i think its fair that people are skeptical
The only way these kinds of cars would work optimally is if they were on a rail. Perhaps, we should just call them "trains with extra steps and less safety"?
5:49 let’s be real, this kind of humor keeps us all coming back
Imagine to buy a 0/100 in 3 seconds car, to let it drive alone. No ty, i'll drive and i'll take all those speed tickets myself :O
Well to be honest 99% of normal drives are not ones where you enjoy or even use such performance in a car. Yes faster has some benefits, but that fast is just not necessary for commutes. It definetly can be fun and can be nice to have, nothing against it, i love performance cars, but for most drives "normal" people do it would be much more enjoyable to not have to do anything, chill, call, watch UA-cam, sleep... whatever you want to. 0-100 in 3 seconds is nothing you do every street...
The lies about FSD are absolutely unacceptable, but the reality seems to be that most Tesla owners aren't buying them for that feature. They'd have still bought the car knowing that FSD wasn't included.
Fair game to slam them for false advertising, but the buyers largely don't care.
Wouldn't it be defimation,! if a company gave a reviewer false unrepresentative data to report on??
"$15,000 Beta*, Supervised*, FSD" does not include "Tesla pays for insurance and all accident payouts by default bc Tesla software 'fully self drives' the car."
I see one source that I believe is trustworthy and he always makes his routes random. That means that no employee could help the route out.
The "hire people who just 'drive around' and test the self-driving" part could be done if Linus partnered up with taxis and/or ride sharing platforms. Sure they are professionals and might get biased data in a different sense, but it would definitely not be linked to him.
Maybe a proximity thing and not for specific cars. So, I think if you live around a reviewer, your experience will be as good as the reviewer's.
Except that at least over here taxis and ride sharing drivers barely know how to drive. Like 9/10 out of the previous close calls I've had were because of taxi drivers.
@@OlaviMurto uber drivers especially have a strong incentive to get each trip done as fast as possible, regardless of safety
Been rocking Full Self Driving. It's fantastic. Very rarely do I need to intervene. True the marketing/naming may be a bit over generous but it is full self driving. Just not 100% fully autonomous, you do need to be there as a fail safe.
8:45 - And what's worse -- is they can just detect patterns and categorize as "generic travel" and "awkward travel" such as if somebody is driving in loops, driving out/back, taking odd exists and then getting back on highway, going to parking lot and then not entering the store.
This data can then be aggregated and then paired to the car, tesla account, and then friends/associates of that tesla account -- and then the tesla account personal info.
This is essentially a DEFEAT device for external review. And i almost 100% guarantee they do this.
Also tack on more names behind the scenes to the movie credits, because not nearly everyone is actually credited. I have done VFX and animated many movie title sequences and my name has never been listed in the credits. Instead the studio I worked at and maybe my boss is listed.
Which movies
@@psychodelogen.9694 Superman, Aviator, Iron Man for compositing, and a bunch of main titles for films.
I am sure numerous people have noticed this in the amount of people that work on a movie now and even going back 10 years have skyrocketed. Compare that to most any movie from the 70s or 80s even the early 90s.
Would love to see a video of Linus following that whole process flow chart for an upcoming video. Introducinh people from each department and how a video comes together in the end. May also shed some light on any inefficiencies in the process and team members from each department could give feedback on improvements they think would help.
I knew it! Twitch streamer RNG is REAL! 🤣
12:30 I heard analysis of LOTR and characters of Gandalf and Saruma specifically making point that reason former was better than latter is that while Saruman only dealt with great of this world that actually isolated him, Gandalf had connection with little of this world that actually build it, because he understood that great things are made of small things and small people.
Keep in mind that the fsd performance we see on these reviews that were specially tuned for these reviewers is still terrible. Let that sink in...
News: company doing exactly what you’d expect.
15:07 that's a really great tip, but I feel like one thing is missing:
When you read the credits, don't try to read all the names, you're gonna quite literally miss the bigger picture (which is also the poinLinus is making) if you do!
Instead, read which JOBS those names did and look at how many names it took to get that job done. You'll find that the acting cast, screenwriters and director/producers only make up like 1% of a Hollywood movie's staff! Even the special effects and CGI/post production crews are rather small compared to all the support staff needed for the logistics behind the scenes of making the movie and distributing the final product!
Honestly, that's just something I always assumed they did. Try to give reviewers the absolute best one they had and the best experience they could. Cause me as a viewer, if I see a reviewer has a problem with a product, I just imagine I'm going to see that problem ten fold.
In terms of hardware, yes. But you expect everyone to have the same software.
i don’t even trust Lane Keep Assist while i’m in traffic. my favorite feature is Active Cruise Control. my right calf is twice the size of my left from driving all day, and that one thing helps a ton.
Honestly all that's really needed to fix this is DISCLOSURE. There's logical reasoning that can be given for why these things are being done, the problem is that when people don't know that Elon and influencers are getting a better than average experience, then they're essentially being lied to. Tesla just needs to AGGRESSIVELY tell customers that this is the case, then customers are not purchasing based on incorrect perceptions.
Is it just me, or does the conversation about that flow chart and communication standards sound really interesting?
Many years ago a phone company re-prioritised mobile network cells in the CBD of Sydney Australia just so I could test a GPRS modem from my office without it constantly cell hopping. Special treatment is definitely a thing across the board.
This absolutely does not surprise me. Tesla has been incredibly skeevy for **years** now. I can’t even get into how skeevy because of reasons, but just know that however skeevy you think the skeevier-than-average company is, they are at least triple that.
I've heard of this happening within a car company before, but it was aimed in house. Imagine a car with custom transmission shift programming and seam welded reinforcements getting a project approved. That's a very different thing from this however, as i doubt those executives were out there making inaccurate product claims based on that ringer. This is different in that it approaches the point where a false advertising claim is plausible. The counter argument would be that this is common practice for everyone, just not usually applied to software. High profile owners get their own sales channels, their own repair expectations, free car loaners, free trackdays, you name it.
While you make many valid points, on the point of prioritizing routes for Elon\Influencers, it's not about finetuning specific routes, but addressing key problem areas.
- CEO is essentially their lead engineer (extremely weird, but he often on the floor with the coders).
- FSD requires Quality Data, the specific influencers and Elon, cited specific problems for AI and are known for their quality data.
At least one of the influencers cites Tesla testing the specific difficult turn noted as "chucks left turn", so this has been known for a while.
Several things you say here does not add up to reality
“Further and further away management is…” explains the Boeing situation so much, management is in Chicago instead of in Seattle where the design is happening
here's an interesting thing, in australia it would be considered misleading marketing which is prosecuted as "dishonest dealings". Though tesla can breath easy, our government rarely does anything anti business anymore
@13:30 I feel you guys, I am going to be explaining the Engineering Change Control Process that my company uses at a high level to my design team tomorrow. You can have truly brilliant individuals on a team but you will still have blind spots.
pretty sure this falls under truth-in-advertising laws, because misleading advertisement is clearly teslas intention
It was known a long time ago that Tesla has testers that specifically map routes typically taken by early access
Biased training is already an issue, now making AGI driven class society wasn't in my Dystopia Bingo before.
Well, this confirms my thoughts on Elon even more.
@@Swedishchef11 no, elon will make your life better. whether you like it or not.
@@williamtrepp579LOL
@@williamtrepp579 I don't think so
That is called P-hacking!
Musk occasionally does a demo to show off the assisted driving features, so in that sense he's effectively just one of the "influencers" whose routes have been given special attention, because it's one of the routes seen by the public and the media when he records those videos.
I say make channels for individuals projects, then just move those channels around departments, I don't know how hard that would be though, and it likely has issues too
It is not the vehicle itself, nor the product, nor a golden sample, none of that.
It is similar to Google maps, rich areas of wealthy neighborhoods of millionaire people have greater detail and are updated more frequently to make that application more functional for that specific market.
In this case, areas frequented by influencers, millionaires and wherever Elon Musk usually daily travels, the autopilot system will work better, by software, not because the influencers' car is special, more attention is paid to fine-tuning details in those areas.
It's false advertising no matter what your product is. Public safety is also relevant. Like say you spend 90% of your "processing" to track the route of someone who spends like most of their driving on the freeway, and you try to relate that data into driving in the suburbs, and the car won't be able to handle whatever data it sees when a kid follows a ball into the road.
This is stupid at best, but dangerous to the core.
Especially because it's obviously done to promote their product and have more users use it.
It took me about a month to be comfortable with FSD. I am glad it was already on the car when I bought it since it is was used.
i remember gacha games doing similar, where influencers would get extremely good RNG, and they wouldn't even know it was rigged.
Different to games like crossout where they actually just give a ton of virtual money to youtubers so that they get boosted into having interesting gameplay
Like with most laws surrounding cars, self driving will likely be written in blood if at all, weve seen some of it with the lane hold and people sleeping behind the wheel during commutes
Beyond the issue of creating the false since of reliability. This shows their data is not anonymous. If they can prioritize influencer data, they would have to know whose data is whose. This is a major security issue that is being overlooked.
Oh cool, they got into value stream mapping at the end!
You never know if companies are actually doing this
Side note: business insider has some great content on their channel. A few of their shows that my son and I enjoy are, so expensive, still standing, worldwide waste.
My son is 12 and it's the first thing he wants to watch on UA-cam. Fun stuff
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> Tesla manually optimizes FSD for known test routes of influencers and reviewers
> Chat: _"HoLd ThE iNfLuEnCeRs AcCoUnTaBLe!"_ 🤡
Why are people so freaking stupid??? Why do they always blame anyone BUT the big tech corporation that created the problem in the first place?!! 🤦♂️
It's also the same story with issues regarding privacy, user experience, quality, repairability, ownership and sustainability. I don't get it! It's almost as if people WANT to only be sold products that:
- spy on them,
- advertise to them,
- restrict them to only using it how the manufacturer intended, rather than how the user needed it to work,
- have critical design and manufacturing flaws and
- are rigged to be unrepairable in the likely case something breaks,
- are rigged to be barely usable without an extra paid subscription and
- are rigged to become fully unusable whenever the manufacturer decides to no longer support them!
What the fu*k is wrong with people?!!🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Tesla's FSD is definitely being marketed with lies, but the experience seems to vary *wildly* I watched a whole video in real time of CGP Grey using autopilot on a moderately difficult road that had pretty limited traffic and it handled it really, really well for the most part. It's *unlikely* this was trained in advance because it was a spontaneous type of video. Equally though I've seen it really struggle in situations that really aren't that complex from a human standpoint and it had to be overridden way too much. Clearly it's a complex issue, and it's a genuinely great idea, but the marketing for it is just brutally disingenuous
The road he was on was a very well known road if it is the same one i am thinking off.
That's why you need people like Project Farm that doesn't take sponsors and buys the stuff himself
Linus calling me out for going to movie theaters recently lol
"How can you think..." more-or-less the same way as "How would you think that a company would detect you're doing an exhaust gas check and change the engine characteristics".
Because they can.
I think there needs to be some revision of the workflow, it seems like there are too many direct steps from start to finish.
Remember everyone Linus is not suicidal
Oh please. It's called advertising, every single company has been doing it for as long as companies have existed. The solution is not MORE regulation, and almost never is.
It is deliberately delivering an unrepresentative experience to reviews. They know by specifily focusing on particularly popular places, they are delivering an experience and impression of safety that will not be true on the rest of the roads.
I agree that other companies do similar things and it is a a big problem for the tech industry, but that doesn't above Tesla of anything.
Definitely deceptive and not surprising. Every version since early beta has had a consistent 100% failure rate at an intersection by my house, ironically 50 feet away from a Tesla showroom, where it takes the wrong lane and tries to merge at the last second over a solid line (illegally). I've reported it at least 100 times and every "rewrite", "new stack", "new neural net", etc they've delivered has had no improvement whatsoever. I always suspected, with the level of improvement observed on UA-camr routes, that something fishy was going on.
Edit: clarified "early beta" - have had since FSD beta version 9
As someone who believes FSD is the best approach yet so far, E2E data pipeline and all that jazz, this bambozzlement pisses me off to no end.
Only way to flip them off is to have random owners shoot video all over the country, which is not going to happen any time soon.
Next video
“Linus buys Lab’s a Tesla”
If I get a few FPS less than somebody in an article on CPU, I'll maybe be sad. If I might lose my life because I'm not going on "influencer road" and the safety feature isn't ready, that is (even tough a bit exaggerated) basically playing with somebodys life for a bit more sales.
Matt Farah, a car journalism and UA-camr as been saying the same stuff!! And people are just calling him a Elon hater as well...
I would buy that workflow chart as a poster
if more companies showed properly how things cost so much I think people would be more inclined to pay asking prices for stuff. Doesn't have to be a dollar for dollar. But I feel trust me bro we put soooooo much time and money into this. How do we the consumer really know until after we have wasted out money that the item is a cheap chinesium dumpsterfire of an item. Not accusing LTT of anything like this, one of the benefits of the LMG is they can show how they make their bits and bobs
The best case scenario is that channels like AI DRIVR stress-test the system on more challenging roads than other drivers do, so their data is more likely to be valuable. This actually seems pretty likely to me because these UA-camrs don't take the same routes every video; they definitely don't take the same routes they drive on a daily basis, either. I don't think giving their data a heavier weight would do much to tailor FSD to their area given how diverse one person's "area" can be. Hopefully it's just a matter of finding the data from these UA-camrs' tests more valuable.
Linus, please go try FSD 12.5 and then come back. FSD is not perfect but it’s getting there
I own a Tesla but I can’t stand Elons bullshit
Then just ignore him do you follow the ceo of amazon or apple or the one who makes your tooth brush😂
Thats a form of false advertising. We have laws, use them
Tesla has been misrepresenting their entire business for its entire history with Elon people have such short memories
Yo… y’all need to link the article when doing stories.
Why wouldn’t someone like MKHD assume Tesla engineers were optimizing FSD for his personal routes. He already got his Model S repaired faster due to his influencer status. Ive personally tried FSD on my Model 3 and its obviously not ready for primetime on local roads.
Unrelated but I've been watching LTT since the beginning and WAN show as well and I think Linus needs to let Luke drive more and speak more. At most he gets to say something that doesn't get replied to or gets interrupted
Are you "actually" surprised?
Like of course they would do this. It's big business. Like 100Million dollar/Billion dollar business.
Yes It's scummy, but I'm not surprised at all.
Yes, it should be illegal.
That "Elon hate boner" card they pull is just their low frequency dog whistle. It's something they're trying to make it work for years yet they fail to make it ultrasound and just making themselves look silly. Edit: by they I mean the other side not Linus
what are you talking about
@@theod0r They just yell this out of nowhere like an addict on a back alley. It's very strange.
I mean not Linus or LTT chat, those fanboys
Its not different than the food ads you see on tv and commercials, so you go to the restaurant and order the thing you saw in the commercial and its completely different. Its a sad, broken down, nasty looking version of what you saw on the commercial. But these companies are still allowed to show these commercials of rainbows and unicorn farts as amazing, yet what you get in reality is a meth laden version of it.
Yes, where do these high-profile people live? Highly populated areas and best bang for the buck for outcome. More people driving, having a better outcome than those roads that get 10cars a day.
EVERY car is self driving. That's not what this is about.
Linus, your team must figure out how to be far more trusting with softwares than hardwares. Softwares are the cheapest, but most time consuming, unless you have multiple people working on the same thing in multiple areas. Or have multiples of similar ideas that can connect with each other to make a network of multiple things. We needed a super kernel ever since the word “metaverse” even became a popular word in the late 2010’s and early 2020’s.
Remember the good old days when graphics card drivers would optimize to get higher framerates on benchmarking and certain games? What's the difference with FSD? Most drives want to get safely from point A to point B and back again safely and FSD that performs perfect makes a bad video. Influencers work hard to find the repeatable "edge cases" that make for a good video. When the errors get fixed, they move on to find the next one. This seems like free bug chasing. I drive FSD on occasion and it's so good for my type use that it's boring. I daily drive (rush hours) the most dangerous stretch of road in my state (US 19 Pinellas county FL). In conclusion, it seems like you're missing the point, if an influencer makes 5 videos in a row of a Tesla failing a certain route, after the software fixes that issue, the influencer is not going to make videos in perpetuity of the car performing well on that route, they will move on to the next bug.
Modern carmakers, Tesla in particular make me want to buy the simplest car of 2000s where the only assists are Traction Control and ABS and the only convenience is AC and automated windows. I hate this tech sh*t in cars so god damn much.
I've always taken it as read that no reviewer receiving free samples is entirely trustworthy. I'm not cynical to the point of dismissing them out of hand, but that kind of access encourages a certain level of positive bias.
Funnily enough, it was car magazines that fostered that level of doubt in me. Every single time a new model came along suddenly the previous gen was fraught with issues. You could also always tell which automaker was more lenient amount criticism. But at least there was a recognizable pattern. It's a lot harder to trust anything today.
But yeah, there's no question that what Tesla has done is egregiously bad.
Most “FSD Influencers”on here were beta testers, Tesla vetted these people to allow them to have FSD originally. So I’m ok with Tesla giving their data higher priority since they most often stress test their cars. Look up Chuck’s unprotected left and you’ll see why Tesla wants to use his data…..
This. Also, you want to train your self driving system on vetted testers (and yes, beeing an influencer is a nice side income for them) because you want high quality data - testers reacting when the car does something wrong, and obeying the laws of the road. Not any schmuck that goes to sleep in a beta FSD build and then blames tesla it had a malfunction.
There's almost no point thinking about full self driving in my area... teslas are still rare on the island, never mind special roads for it.
Should LTT videos have credits in the end, like for more important videos or metavideos about LTT itself?
Illegal no unethical hell yeah!
Isn't feedback from influencers more comprehensive and useful than the average user?
Why would it be?
Can you explain why that would be the case?
@@havtor007 They do it for a living. I expect they put more thought in effort into it than the average disgruntled consumer venting their feelings.
@@__-fl5rn That is the thing you do not need to do that because it is a system that Automatically reports when you stopped it you are supposed to type a reply but that is not something influencers are doing according to themselves.
Well, those channel owners also have Tesla stock. :D
I mean, all you need to go around that is to evaluate it on roads you have never been before...
Lool quoting Business Insider is WILD
A new low has been reached
why?
I mean this is par for the course with any tech company, no?
Expectation: The car will be safer for influencers
Reality: The car will be even less safe for influencers because Elon is out to get them for their Twitter takes💀
Like gacha games where game influencer promotes their games and internally boost the rates so that influencer gets better experience
5:58, that was just uncalled for. That was just immature.
No reason to insult your audience and fans. Linus cannot take any criticism.
They do complain about Elon, every since he bought Twitter. Lots of the criticism towards him, was unwarranted.
It's 1 thing to complain about something like this. But it's another to complain about how he want's free speech.
I'm disappointed, but not at all surprised.