Unsurprising news: The Live Chat auto-moderation is shadowbanning actual viewers, including subscribers. There's no way for the streamer to turn it off or change anything.
I got instantly autobanned for saying "I wishy frenchy was here" that was my last livechat. Then I used a phone and noticed and that was banned one hour later. Makes you wonder.
The thing Linus was talking about where he doesn't see ads is actually very common, and it's a form of "banner blindness." People got so used to seeing banner ads on sites and knowing they didn't care about them that, for many, our brains literally just stopped registering banners (ads or otherwise) and deeming them as unimportant and not worth the time to process. Apparently banner blindness can also refer to conscious ignoring of ads, but I always heard it talked about as the unconscious filtering, which is how I experienced it, and it feels fitting, as it basically does feel like being blind to the banner ads.
I almost have that with UA-cam ads too, they’ll serve me a survey asking if I’ve seen ads for whatever businesses, I’ll say no, then I’ll get one and be like “oh yeah I have. Still not using it tho” When UA-cam ads on the first thing on my mind is “what channel am I watching?” Followed by “how long is this ad, can I skip after 30 seconds to get the creator paid”
I have both conscious and unconscious. For example on websites and such where there banners covering texts I just don't register their existence, instead on UA-cam for example I have to actively think on just focus on the skip ad button to not pay attention to the ad. At least I did until I got YT premium. On Twitch I also just mute the stream when there are ads and unmute it when they are done, in that case I pay attention to the small stream window in the top right.
Oh wow, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum. If I see an ad, I have to stop and remove it from the screen before I’ll even start reading any content. And if it’s too difficult to remove, I’ll just close that tab and go on living my life as if that content never existed in the first place. Ads are so horrendously overzealous these days that I’m completely non-functional on the internet if I’m stuck using something that doesn’t block ads. I’m just not capable of even processing anything when they’re there.
this is absolutly an ADHD thing, I have literally the exact same reading stories from back in school, the same complete disconnection in conversations, hearing Linus talk about his attention is like hearing myself
Not diagnosed with ADHD, but kind of resonates for me. I would definitely read something and focus on things other than what I was supposed to. Then there are all those lovely rabbit holes...
@@SKPetel unfortunately, there's enough people in the world that prefers to shut down topics involving mental health concerns. as someone with ADHD, it's interfering with a lot of my life, including my academics and my content creator life. and my fam just thinks I just dont want to put effort, or just don't have willpower. darn conservatives...
24:03 "There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." -Yosemite Park Ranger on why it's hard to design a bear-proof garbage can.
I have noticed that UA-cam will adjust the knobs occasionally and really crank up the ads for videos that allow midroll ads. When that happens I just stop watching UA-cam for a few days and it seems to calm back down. I have also noticed that the amount of ads, and the number of un-skippable ads, depends on the device you are using.
13:50 I have a similar "problem". Maybe because of the banner ads from the '90s, but my brain completely ignores anything colorful in a rectangle. There've been times when I'm using software and I could not find a button I was supposed to click. I asked someone else and they were like, "It's right there, in the center of the screen! Big and green!" And I was like, "Oh, I didn't even see that."
The school section was delightful. When I was younger, I didn't understand why it was called Attention DEFICIT Disorder. Because when something drew my attention, it got ALL OF IT! I was utterly absorbed in that information. To the exclusion of everything else. But now I'm older, I understand it was the everything else they were getting at. Same as described here, I would be entirely in my own world, oblivious to all else, and then want to share my thing, no matter what other people were doing at the time. Still do it even now, but I did eventually learn to bite my tongue so I don't immediately spew it all over the other people. But my brain will still latch onto a thing to the exclusion of all. I enjoy TV, video games, fanfiction, D&D, UA-cam, etc. And I can usually find a balance for all these things, with peaks and troughs as I meant lean on one or two more than others for a bit. But when I find a new something. Be it a new game, a new story, a new channel, a new song even... I will become utterly obsessed with it. To the exclusion of all my other interests that that very morning could have been the most important thing in my world. It's fascinating, infuriating, and enthralling all at once. At one point, I was hammering our new chapters to my fanfics every week, every few days at one stage. The muse was just endlessly providing. Then a friend got me interested in D&D and EVERYTHING else fell by the wayside. I was engrossed in only D&D. I wasn't playing video games, wasn't watching any UA-cam that wasn't D&D themed, didn't write for months. I became completely consumed by the new thing until my brain managed to settle it back into part of the rhythm with all the rest. The hyperfixation is great for learning that new thing, but boy does everything else suffer as a result.
I just want to state that their machine learning bot that removes comments is horrendous. I wrote comments on a video that talked about certain UA-camr channels not being transparent about sponsorships. and I commented for him to checkout a channel with a video that weirdly promoted NFTS without disclosing any payments. My comments were constantly being removed from there.
I’m tech savvy, but gladly watch UA-cam ads. That’s because I’m a student with low income, but I still want to support creators like Linus Media Group. My classmates rolls eyes at me and screams about ad blockers😂
3:40 too many people have posted their analytics after getting demonetized for me to believe this. Once your video is demonetized, you instantly see 10x less impressions.
20:52 i wonder how many times you could repeat something till Linus notices, pull a kronk. might be fun to record those meetings and just see Linus spacing out, like can we as viewers recognize when Linus has zoned out
You are dead right about adverts. My children have hardly ever seen a commercial. When they do it’s almost like they are defenseless though too! I’ve wondered what to do about that aspect for a while!
One thing with UA-cam ads that I massively dislike is how you can't stop certain ads or certain companies that you get ads from from showing up. The reporting you can do seems to do very little, you just get a slightly different ad from the same company. And the system for your interests that I assume should give you ads you like seems very hit and miss. Another thing on ads on TV. I live in Sweden and we have an ads supported channel that otherwise is free. Channel 4. They often start a movie at 9pm. With ad breaks atleast every 30mins. Just before 10pm it is ads, news, ads again and you have lost 30min of film watching time. Watching their films are just the worst. But since about a year I don't have a TV anymore. I stream what I want to watch.
Mid-roll ads not affecting retention seems easy to explain to me: If minutes into a video I'm still here, I probably want to see the rest of the video. If there are ads, I probably will rather suffer through an ad and turn the volume all the way down, than miss the rest of a video that I find interesting. So retention? Yes. But being satisfied with the experience (actually satisfied, not what UA-cam calls "satisfied")? No.
6:14 That used to be a thing when youtube was new, and a few years ago there was an experiment on youtube labs about star rating videos instead of like / dislike, and it basically was hate / dislike / meh / like / super like, and if it was anything less than like, it wouldn't add it to your "liked" playlist which was BS, i would have preferred options like dislike / meh / like 1 / like 2 / like 3 for different "weightings" on how much you liked it.
i got an ad blocker cause some online articles would have pop up ads that force the text to readjust and move my screen, and id have to scroll to get past the ad.
10:17 About that. I often judge if the value of the video if is justified enough to stay through the ad and not close the video. Most times I close the video because I was just baited by the thumbnail or the title and it didn't deliver contentwise.
The video is a bit long for my liking. ChatGPTs summary: In summary, UA-cam has announced a crackdown on spam comments and improved bot detection in live chat. The platform will also be implementing machine learning models that can issue warnings and timeouts to users who leave abusive comments. These features will be implemented platform-wide, without any toggle for creators to turn them off. The speaker expresses concerns about the implementation of these features, citing an instance where UA-cam reduced the spread of content related to COVID-19. The speaker also discusses the concept of "shadowbanning," in which a user's content is not visible to others without their knowledge.
The part with "if you watch a video completely and then click on the next video from that creator and watch it completely, your feed will be full with videos from that creator" I wish! I do that all the time but still have to go on the creators channel to watch the next video because youtube shows me everything BUT videos from that channel whos video I just watched, liked and left a sub.
UA-cam needs to implement a system where a UA-cam account cannot have the same user name even if you have extra letters or numbers inside the username resulting the account to be a fake account. Impersonation should be bannable like Elon Musk rule on Twitter. Fan accounts are understandable but most of their content is not their own which is a copyright issue. The amount of moist cr1tikal fan accounts I've seen are astonishing. I've seen spamed bot comments on almost every popular youtube channel with a different UA-camrs user name or the same username with different letters and numbers. It's getting agrevating not finding a real person to reply too without your conversation being flooded by bots promoting their own channels with sketchy links.
I had a old youutbe chanel before when someone stole or claimed my pic - and its impossible to get in touch with "youtube" about it - just corporate bs from a big company like google
I wish they would do something about the quality of the advertising. I do not appreciate seeing scams and false information (Tesler, Various miracle devices, etc) being presented as fact. I think google should be responsible, to some extent, for the content of their advertising.
I always use a add blocker. If they hadn't made adds pop in so often and be annoying and because adds can have viruses i would have let them stay. but since they can run scrips and pop up so often I don't feel bad about using a add blocker
I only tolerate ads on yt but only on my phone/xbox, most of time I don't really care, I did disable gambling ads as I couldn't stand the frequency of them, I've never gambled too lmao
Would removing Google Ads matter anymore anyway, if all videos now have ads? Wouldn't turning off monetization just mean LTT (or another creator) loses out on ad money that UA-cam will make anyway?
24:40 Nope, bots suspending (SUSPECTED) spammers for 24 hours is no good. We all know how horribly terrible their detection systems are, so there will be a lot of false-positives, and getting wrongly suspended for 24 hours might not be a big deal for normal users who watch 1-5 videos per day and make 0-2 comments, but for "power users" like myself who watch 100-300 videos per day and leave 20-100 comments, that's going to be enough to make me stop using YT altogether. 😒 Besides, wtf uses a 24-hour cool-down period? Even entering wrong passwords usually tops out at 15 minuets; the spam-bots would be sufficiently stymied like that. Duh. 🤦
Spam on UA-cam was far worse back in the day!; who remembers the sort of "copy and paste this to X videos in Y minutes or Z will happen" type spam comments?
I consider myself a moderately tech savvy person, and I deliberately keep ads for most of my internet experience because it gives me feedback on how effective my privacy policies are. Targeted ads immediately tell me I goofed, and usually give me a clue as to how. I targeted ads are far more likely to translate to me purchasing a product. I have been off and on eyeing YT Premium very nearly since it launched. The reason I don't pull the trigger is that I have to hold a platform I am actively giving money to against a much higher moral standard than one I simply browse on, and YT consistently shows it is not quite up to the higher moral standard. Luke seems to think the machine learning is a black box. It isn't. It's kinda useful for average viewers casually watching, but the real power is to train the machine to serve you content you don't know how to search for. I think I was in the top 1% of informed people about COVID during lockdown because I spent an afternoon training the AI and it found people like Vinay Prasad, Medcram, and Drbeen. Obscure niches is where YT is at its best, and you search for them with the machine learning, not the search function.
Linus is very right about the ad tolerance, however it is not generational it is very person dependent. my girlfriend pays for the cheap version of hulu and she says "the ads aren't bad I use them as an intermission", I on the other hand can not deal with them and therefore don't touch our hulu account.
12:00 "and im standing in front of of it and its like oh glowing object, me watch". This. I thought of this exact same thing, because I experience it a lot. I hate being near a TV, because it literally pulls me out of conversations.
Don't believe Google. If I'm watching a boring video, the moment the ad (or sponsor segment) starts, then is when I stop watching it. The worse time is when an ad ends and the sponsorship starts. That is the end of YT for the day. I believe UA-cam should do two simultaneous things: disallow sponsorships in videos, and pay the creators more...
actual people are gettign shadowbanned in livestreams. this is the crux of an early ML model, some people become collateral. it's another thing if the streamer can do something about it, like disable the functionality manually if it starts eating comments from real people.
See the peoblem is, No one uses emojis. NO ONE USES THE GOD DAMN EMOJIS and yet these people hosting the bots go: "oh if we use emojis for the bots it'll look way better and more believable"
Linus does exude ADHD energy. Obviously I’m not a doctor and don’t know him, but it’s there. If it is affect work and marriage, you should definitely seek help. You are clearly doing okay….but life does get better when you get that ability to focus You don’t sacrifice creativity. You gain to ability to “drive the car” so to speak and the people around you won’t have to “pick up the slack” for you as much, which is nice.
Tiktok ads are very unintrusive and the whole UI is based on having your thumb over the skip option. Tiktok advertisers try to integrate with content so people watch thinking it's actual content
If the moderator bots are as good as those used by Facebook, then there's going to be a huge proportion of false positives. Not being able to turn the auto-moderation off is going to piss users off even more than the spam comments.
Did Linus really say that gaming channels and LTT have a very different demographic? THAT was the real bad example much more than the science channels.
Even as a "tech savvy" viewer, I would 100% agree that ads aren't going to influence retention. I came to UA-cam expecting ads. When I click on a video from a creator I know (or even one I don't), I want to watch long enough to get to the point of the video. So if two ads pop up at the beginning, I'll just watch through because I want to see *that video*. If a midroll comes up, I won't click away, because thats like turning the TV off in the middle of an episode of your favorite show
We are the minority, most have adblock and don't care how their favorite content creators are affected as long as they don't have to suffer through those evil advertisements.
@@bdhale34 I definitely use Adblock when on my laptop or pc, but when I’m on my phone or PlayStation watching UA-cam, it’s kind of just a part of the expected experience
Well , my channel got filled with spam comments impersonating me and My channel got wrongfully hammered , In one day my views went down by 80% from 20-40k views a day to 2.5k views a day , I have spoken to youtube support will need some followup and investigation the support said.
I've noticed that "satisfaction" thing with being recommended the same thing over & over, even tho i only watched like 2 videos. tbh its just more annoying than helpful, if i'd wanted to see more of that person then i'd go watch more of them, not be spoonfed it.
It happes so often to me.. I'm watching this in a train and there was a castle outside the window and i got so caught that I had to rewind 30 sekundos xD
ive always felt that if a video has a baked in ad read (like nearly all tech youtube) then it should be immediately disqualified from adsense ads and demonetized. Its especially disrespectful to those of us who have premium to have to manually skip past yall gushing about completely irrelevant things like vessi footwear, manscaped, or freshbooks. Also knowing that they cant rely on the adsense money means the channel can be more selective about what sponsors they accept and the prices they get for it. Thats also why i prefer the sponsored videos because they dont have awkward ad reads in them, the entire thing is just a samsung infomercial or whatever, but its relevant and talking about the specific product, not like you clicking on a monitor review and getting an ad read for some corporate enterprise gimmick, or an insanely cringy dbrand wackiness.
So.... the current algorithm favors a 2 hour show split into 5-10 min segments over the full video? Makes sense, and I can't really complain. As long as the incentive is for changing delivery rather than content. It's still will, but I can see UA-cam's efforts going in a good direction
"They've been doing something for a while" "What do you mean, they removed the dislike button!" EXACTLY dude. We used to be able to just downvote spam comments to death and once a certain dislike threshold was reached, the comment would be automatically hidden by default. That's just one of the many great features UA-cam used to have, and, inexplicably, no longer does.
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme it actually did, just like videos being recommended less because of a bad dislike ratio so people didnt watch them to begin with
@@bradhaines3142 that has never been a thing. Likes mean a thing is popular dislikes mean a thing is controversial. Either way the more likely you are to interact with it is good to them. Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them. It was only ever true of comments and technically the comments still existed meaning it still boosted the video in the algorithm so they had no reason to care whether or not it was in sight.
@@RunicSigils "Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them." NPC logic. He said they got recommended less, not that they were "magically hidden". If you can't understand the person you're replying to, you shouldn't be debating them
Absolutely hilarious how it ends with them acknowledging that Linus will get sidetracked easily and will bring you along with the ride after 10 minutes of getting sidetracked and bring Luke along with the ride.
UA-cam made 75Bn/year when I last checked several years ago, so if we could imagine comment section scams being 2% as effective as youtube ads, that industry would be measured in the billions of dollars. maybe not, but tens or hundreds of millions is still likely.
the money isn't the issue. it's the hit to their reputation that would be the long term harm. like if it got so bad all legit viewers just ignored the comments; they gotta put a stop to that.
The thing about ad tolerance is absolutely real. I don't know why my brain makes this association, but I have the same exact response of browsing without adblock as I'd have walking into a dirty room old room. You know that feeling when the environment is so dirty you start feeling dirty? Trying to avoid touching anything? That's how it feels to me to browse with ads. It's weird, I know, but it's so strong that downloading adblock is literally the first thing I do on any computer I have to use. Even if it's 5 minutes. Sometimes even without telling the owner. I even avoid browsing on my phone (using the web browser/chrome, not talking about apps) because of ads.
Pihole helps some for phones. Also modified UA-cam apps that remove ads. Android is a given, but they exist on iOS too, and you don't even have to jailbreak your phone!
@@MuffinTastic The Lockdown app for iOS filters a lot of ads. It’s not perfect but I’d say it gets like 80% of them, which isn’t bad for a free app that minimally affects performance.
for me its not even a personal thing as far as PC goes, a while ago adblock just started seeming actually dangerous to do without. on my phone I just deal with it but i think that's "tolerance" in a different sense, like what linus was saying. eventually a page can serve you a full screen of ads, and as long as you can see even a sliver of content without clicking an x your brain will literally refuse to process any of them even being there
@@KeVsPIXEL To be fair, Spam is been something TECH INDUSTRY WIDE problem since the 90s, since the DAWN OF THE INTERNET. So not surprise that youtube, a company that spam literal countries even struggled to tackle this
Unsurprising news: The Live Chat auto-moderation is shadowbanning actual viewers, including subscribers. There's no way for the streamer to turn it off or change anything.
Not just subscribers. But channel members as well. With over a year's worth of membership.
Also UA-cam Premium subscribers as well.
How do they always fight issues in literally the absolute worse way possible?
I got instantly autobanned for saying "I wishy frenchy was here" that was my last livechat. Then I used a phone and noticed and that was banned one hour later.
Makes you wonder.
I mod and use livechat and now I cannot use it unless I am a moderator in the chatroom ... which is like 1 of 10 i talk in per night.
@@R3_dacted0 🎯
The thing Linus was talking about where he doesn't see ads is actually very common, and it's a form of "banner blindness." People got so used to seeing banner ads on sites and knowing they didn't care about them that, for many, our brains literally just stopped registering banners (ads or otherwise) and deeming them as unimportant and not worth the time to process.
Apparently banner blindness can also refer to conscious ignoring of ads, but I always heard it talked about as the unconscious filtering, which is how I experienced it, and it feels fitting, as it basically does feel like being blind to the banner ads.
I almost have that with UA-cam ads too, they’ll serve me a survey asking if I’ve seen ads for whatever businesses, I’ll say no, then I’ll get one and be like “oh yeah I have. Still not using it tho”
When UA-cam ads on the first thing on my mind is “what channel am I watching?” Followed by “how long is this ad, can I skip after 30 seconds to get the creator paid”
I have both conscious and unconscious.
For example on websites and such where there banners covering texts I just don't register their existence, instead on UA-cam for example I have to actively think on just focus on the skip ad button to not pay attention to the ad. At least I did until I got YT premium.
On Twitch I also just mute the stream when there are ads and unmute it when they are done, in that case I pay attention to the small stream window in the top right.
I have a mix of both, im pretty good at ignoring ads and even better at not retaining them. Except some of the jingles and songs. I hate ads.
@Federico Di Liberto I fast forward thru sponsored ads and I'll never feel bad about it
Oh wow, I’m at the opposite end of the spectrum. If I see an ad, I have to stop and remove it from the screen before I’ll even start reading any content. And if it’s too difficult to remove, I’ll just close that tab and go on living my life as if that content never existed in the first place. Ads are so horrendously overzealous these days that I’m completely non-functional on the internet if I’m stuck using something that doesn’t block ads. I’m just not capable of even processing anything when they’re there.
this is absolutly an ADHD thing, I have literally the exact same reading stories from back in school, the same complete disconnection in conversations, hearing Linus talk about his attention is like hearing myself
also I wish more people would be as understanding to ADHD as luke is
Not diagnosed with ADHD, but kind of resonates for me. I would definitely read something and focus on things other than what I was supposed to. Then there are all those lovely rabbit holes...
@@SKPetel unfortunately, there's enough people in the world that prefers to shut down topics involving mental health concerns.
as someone with ADHD, it's interfering with a lot of my life, including my academics and my content creator life.
and my fam just thinks I just dont want to put effort, or just don't have willpower.
darn conservatives...
Same! More ADHDTechTips please
Bro I would read books so much in class that I would get detentions lmao
24:03
"There is a considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." -Yosemite Park Ranger on why it's hard to design a bear-proof garbage can.
Jesus I wish most people dealt with their ADHD friends and colleagues like Luke does.
I have noticed that UA-cam will adjust the knobs occasionally and really crank up the ads for videos that allow midroll ads. When that happens I just stop watching UA-cam for a few days and it seems to calm back down. I have also noticed that the amount of ads, and the number of un-skippable ads, depends on the device you are using.
13:50 I have a similar "problem". Maybe because of the banner ads from the '90s, but my brain completely ignores anything colorful in a rectangle. There've been times when I'm using software and I could not find a button I was supposed to click. I asked someone else and they were like, "It's right there, in the center of the screen! Big and green!" And I was like, "Oh, I didn't even see that."
1. Favorite WAN convo ever
2. UA-cam enforces a hard 2.0 K/D requirement for the privilege of commenting
The school section was delightful. When I was younger, I didn't understand why it was called Attention DEFICIT Disorder. Because when something drew my attention, it got ALL OF IT! I was utterly absorbed in that information. To the exclusion of everything else. But now I'm older, I understand it was the everything else they were getting at. Same as described here, I would be entirely in my own world, oblivious to all else, and then want to share my thing, no matter what other people were doing at the time. Still do it even now, but I did eventually learn to bite my tongue so I don't immediately spew it all over the other people. But my brain will still latch onto a thing to the exclusion of all.
I enjoy TV, video games, fanfiction, D&D, UA-cam, etc. And I can usually find a balance for all these things, with peaks and troughs as I meant lean on one or two more than others for a bit. But when I find a new something. Be it a new game, a new story, a new channel, a new song even... I will become utterly obsessed with it. To the exclusion of all my other interests that that very morning could have been the most important thing in my world. It's fascinating, infuriating, and enthralling all at once.
At one point, I was hammering our new chapters to my fanfics every week, every few days at one stage. The muse was just endlessly providing. Then a friend got me interested in D&D and EVERYTHING else fell by the wayside. I was engrossed in only D&D. I wasn't playing video games, wasn't watching any UA-cam that wasn't D&D themed, didn't write for months. I became completely consumed by the new thing until my brain managed to settle it back into part of the rhythm with all the rest. The hyperfixation is great for learning that new thing, but boy does everything else suffer as a result.
I just want to state that their machine learning bot that removes comments is horrendous.
I wrote comments on a video that talked about certain UA-camr channels not being transparent about sponsorships. and I commented for him to checkout a channel with a video that weirdly promoted NFTS without disclosing any payments. My comments were constantly being removed from there.
I’m tech savvy, but gladly watch UA-cam ads. That’s because I’m a student with low income, but I still want to support creators like Linus Media Group. My classmates rolls eyes at me and screams about ad blockers😂
3:40 too many people have posted their analytics after getting demonetized for me to believe this. Once your video is demonetized, you instantly see 10x less impressions.
I'm glad to say that Linus and Luke, I'm very satisfied with you both! Cheers from Australia!
20:52 i wonder how many times you could repeat something till Linus notices, pull a kronk. might be fun to record those meetings and just see Linus spacing out, like can we as viewers recognize when Linus has zoned out
You are dead right about adverts. My children have hardly ever seen a commercial. When they do it’s almost like they are defenseless though too! I’ve wondered what to do about that aspect for a while!
One thing with UA-cam ads that I massively dislike is how you can't stop certain ads or certain companies that you get ads from from showing up. The reporting you can do seems to do very little, you just get a slightly different ad from the same company. And the system for your interests that I assume should give you ads you like seems very hit and miss.
Another thing on ads on TV. I live in Sweden and we have an ads supported channel that otherwise is free. Channel 4. They often start a movie at 9pm. With ad breaks atleast every 30mins. Just before 10pm it is ads, news, ads again and you have lost 30min of film watching time. Watching their films are just the worst. But since about a year I don't have a TV anymore. I stream what I want to watch.
Mid-roll ads not affecting retention seems easy to explain to me: If minutes into a video I'm still here, I probably want to see the rest of the video. If there are ads, I probably will rather suffer through an ad and turn the volume all the way down, than miss the rest of a video that I find interesting.
So retention? Yes. But being satisfied with the experience (actually satisfied, not what UA-cam calls "satisfied")? No.
6:14 That used to be a thing when youtube was new, and a few years ago there was an experiment on youtube labs about star rating videos instead of like / dislike, and it basically was hate / dislike / meh / like / super like, and if it was anything less than like, it wouldn't add it to your "liked" playlist which was BS, i would have preferred options like dislike / meh / like 1 / like 2 / like 3 for different "weightings" on how much you liked it.
i got an ad blocker cause some online articles would have pop up ads that force the text to readjust and move my screen, and id have to scroll to get past the ad.
10:17 About that. I often judge if the value of the video if is justified enough to stay through the ad and not close the video. Most times I close the video because I was just baited by the thumbnail or the title and it didn't deliver contentwise.
The REAL reason they don't pay attention to YT chat is because they want you to feel compelled to pay for floatplane.
The video is a bit long for my liking.
ChatGPTs summary:
In summary, UA-cam has announced a crackdown on spam comments and improved bot detection in live chat. The platform will also be implementing machine learning models that can issue warnings and timeouts to users who leave abusive comments. These features will be implemented platform-wide, without any toggle for creators to turn them off. The speaker expresses concerns about the implementation of these features, citing an instance where UA-cam reduced the spread of content related to COVID-19. The speaker also discusses the concept of "shadowbanning," in which a user's content is not visible to others without their knowledge.
I have DEFINITLY seen that there is no midroll ads. And I love it. Thiank you so much
I get mid roll ads every time
The part with "if you watch a video completely and then click on the next video from that creator and watch it completely, your feed will be full with videos from that creator" I wish! I do that all the time but still have to go on the creators channel to watch the next video because youtube shows me everything BUT videos from that channel whos video I just watched, liked and left a sub.
A video that talks about ads in videos had a mid-roll add. Wen a mid-roll ad appears, I do evaluate if I want to keep watching the video or not.
UA-cam needs to implement a system where a UA-cam account cannot have the same user name even if you have extra letters or numbers inside the username resulting the account to be a fake account. Impersonation should be bannable like Elon Musk rule on Twitter. Fan accounts are understandable but most of their content is not their own which is a copyright issue. The amount of moist cr1tikal fan accounts I've seen are astonishing. I've seen spamed bot comments on almost every popular youtube channel with a different UA-camrs user name or the same username with different letters and numbers. It's getting agrevating not finding a real person to reply too without your conversation being flooded by bots promoting their own channels with sketchy links.
Now we call him Minus Sebastian
@Luke, Just use the adblock browser to watch UA-cam on a device that you aren't logged into Premium with.
I appreciate the LTT ads are super short, not like 2+ minutes out of a 10 minutes video
15:00
I don't even know my mother took the Christmas tree away. I wouldn't notice that it was gone.
Now they just need to deal with the issue where if I turn in-line playback off, IT SHOULD STAY OFF.
Luke and Yvonne deserve Canonization as the patron saints of patience
I had a old youutbe chanel before when someone stole or claimed my pic - and its impossible to get in touch with "youtube" about it - just corporate bs from a big company like google
I've practically spent my 30 years of life training to dodge ads. Fuck ads XD
Blackbelt Adsdodgejitsu
I wish they would do something about the quality of the advertising. I do not appreciate seeing scams and false information (Tesler, Various miracle devices, etc) being presented as fact. I think google should be responsible, to some extent, for the content of their advertising.
I always use a add blocker. If they hadn't made adds pop in so often and be annoying and because adds can have viruses i would have let them stay. but since they can run scrips and pop up so often I don't feel bad about using a add blocker
21:15 ... this for some reason reminds me of me.
I only tolerate ads on yt but only on my phone/xbox, most of time I don't really care, I did disable gambling ads as I couldn't stand the frequency of them, I've never gambled too lmao
Would removing Google Ads matter anymore anyway, if all videos now have ads? Wouldn't turning off monetization just mean LTT (or another creator) loses out on ad money that UA-cam will make anyway?
9:05 no I never noticed... adblock baby
I agree. I have 0 tolerance for ads. And also sorry if this ruffles any feathers but I skip sponsors because of course I do. I do have premium though.
Putting a midroll ad in a video is one way to increase my chances of clicking on a different video. 🤣
24:40 Nope, bots suspending (SUSPECTED) spammers for 24 hours is no good. We all know how horribly terrible their detection systems are, so there will be a lot of false-positives, and getting wrongly suspended for 24 hours might not be a big deal for normal users who watch 1-5 videos per day and make 0-2 comments, but for "power users" like myself who watch 100-300 videos per day and leave 20-100 comments, that's going to be enough to make me stop using YT altogether. 😒 Besides, wtf uses a 24-hour cool-down period? Even entering wrong passwords usually tops out at 15 minuets; the spam-bots would be sufficiently stymied like that. Duh. 🤦
Spam on UA-cam was far worse back in the day!; who remembers the sort of "copy and paste this to X videos in Y minutes or Z will happen" type spam comments?
My wife's getting a kick outta this. I also put out the world when I'm in on stuff and randomly change the topic.
I didn't bother hiding when I was reading.
UA-cam has Ads?! Oh man! Learn something new everyday from Linus!
I consider myself a moderately tech savvy person, and I deliberately keep ads for most of my internet experience because it gives me feedback on how effective my privacy policies are. Targeted ads immediately tell me I goofed, and usually give me a clue as to how. I targeted ads are far more likely to translate to me purchasing a product.
I have been off and on eyeing YT Premium very nearly since it launched. The reason I don't pull the trigger is that I have to hold a platform I am actively giving money to against a much higher moral standard than one I simply browse on, and YT consistently shows it is not quite up to the higher moral standard.
Luke seems to think the machine learning is a black box. It isn't. It's kinda useful for average viewers casually watching, but the real power is to train the machine to serve you content you don't know how to search for. I think I was in the top 1% of informed people about COVID during lockdown because I spent an afternoon training the AI and it found people like Vinay Prasad, Medcram, and Drbeen. Obscure niches is where YT is at its best, and you search for them with the machine learning, not the search function.
I deeply thank you that you don’t include mid rolled ads ❤
Linus is very right about the ad tolerance, however it is not generational it is very person dependent. my girlfriend pays for the cheap version of hulu and she says "the ads aren't bad I use them as an intermission", I on the other hand can not deal with them and therefore don't touch our hulu account.
12:00 "and im standing in front of of it and its like oh glowing object, me watch". This. I thought of this exact same thing, because I experience it a lot. I hate being near a TV, because it literally pulls me out of conversations.
Ads don't affect retention because so many of us block ads lol
Don't believe Google. If I'm watching a boring video, the moment the ad (or sponsor segment) starts, then is when I stop watching it.
The worse time is when an ad ends and the sponsorship starts. That is the end of YT for the day.
I believe UA-cam should do two simultaneous things: disallow sponsorships in videos, and pay the creators more...
Then why stream to UA-cam?
actual people are gettign shadowbanned in livestreams. this is the crux of an early ML model, some people become collateral. it's another thing if the streamer can do something about it, like disable the functionality manually if it starts eating comments from real people.
Yeah, I still get them
See the peoblem is,
No one uses emojis.
NO ONE USES THE GOD DAMN EMOJIS and yet these people hosting the bots go:
"oh if we use emojis for the bots it'll look way better and more believable"
Even as a premium user I still see those little "Satisfaction surveys"
Linus does exude ADHD energy.
Obviously I’m not a doctor and don’t know him, but it’s there.
If it is affect work and marriage, you should definitely seek help. You are clearly doing okay….but life does get better when you get that ability to focus
You don’t sacrifice creativity. You gain to ability to “drive the car” so to speak and the people around you won’t have to “pick up the slack” for you as much, which is nice.
He has been open. He is diagnosed
I'm actually already feeling the effects, pretty neat
Ads don't affect it because most people are just blocking them anyway.
Tiktok ads are very unintrusive and the whole UI is based on having your thumb over the skip option. Tiktok advertisers try to integrate with content so people watch thinking it's actual content
why cant people just not cry about people being offensive?
i only go out of my way to be offensive if i know someone will take offense and have a sad
relating so much w linus adhd stories xd
Its so funny hearing LinusADHDTips
If i didnt have youtube premium and i get mid-roll ads i would drop the video, i know im not everyone but i hate that shit
seems not all spam, they didn't do anything about intrusive, annoying, and spam ads. They are spamming them even more
If the moderator bots are as good as those used by Facebook, then there's going to be a huge proportion of false positives. Not being able to turn the auto-moderation off is going to piss users off even more than the spam comments.
I just got a mid-roll ad... I think 2 sets so far.
But still they allow bots
Also, I absolutely LOVE it when UA-cam peddles scams and completely ignores all of my well-worded reports
One the theory... *rough cut* jeez.
Auto-mod that removes stuff that YT doesn't like? Dam, totalitarian. Already miss the early days of YT.
Finally am so glad this is happening so if I don't get roasted for just commenting now
Being a premium member, I still get the satisfaction surveys from time to time.
doubt
Got an ad 09:00 💀
2 mid roll ads in first 9 minutes. that i counted.
left at the 13:00 ad.
Did Linus really say that gaming channels and LTT have a very different demographic? THAT was the real bad example much more than the science channels.
ads?????
AdBlock go brrr :'v
Too many ads!
i am at the middle of video and hade to see 10 ads !!
Even as a "tech savvy" viewer, I would 100% agree that ads aren't going to influence retention. I came to UA-cam expecting ads. When I click on a video from a creator I know (or even one I don't), I want to watch long enough to get to the point of the video. So if two ads pop up at the beginning, I'll just watch through because I want to see *that video*. If a midroll comes up, I won't click away, because thats like turning the TV off in the middle of an episode of your favorite show
We are the minority, most have adblock and don't care how their favorite content creators are affected as long as they don't have to suffer through those evil advertisements.
@@bdhale34 I definitely use Adblock when on my laptop or pc, but when I’m on my phone or PlayStation watching UA-cam, it’s kind of just a part of the expected experience
Well , my channel got filled with spam comments impersonating me and My channel got wrongfully hammered , In one day my views went down by 80% from 20-40k views a day to 2.5k views a day , I have spoken to youtube support will need some followup and investigation the support said.
⤴️You won 🏆 a special package🛍
1 year later; no. They aren't.
I've noticed that "satisfaction" thing with being recommended the same thing over & over, even tho i only watched like 2 videos. tbh its just more annoying than helpful, if i'd wanted to see more of that person then i'd go watch more of them, not be spoonfed it.
It happes so often to me..
I'm watching this in a train and there was a castle outside the window and i got so caught that I had to rewind 30 sekundos xD
⤴️You won 🏆 a special package🎁
It’s honestly disgusting it took them this long to get serious about the fuckin scams
ive always felt that if a video has a baked in ad read (like nearly all tech youtube) then it should be immediately disqualified from adsense ads and demonetized. Its especially disrespectful to those of us who have premium to have to manually skip past yall gushing about completely irrelevant things like vessi footwear, manscaped, or freshbooks. Also knowing that they cant rely on the adsense money means the channel can be more selective about what sponsors they accept and the prices they get for it. Thats also why i prefer the sponsored videos because they dont have awkward ad reads in them, the entire thing is just a samsung infomercial or whatever, but its relevant and talking about the specific product, not like you clicking on a monitor review and getting an ad read for some corporate enterprise gimmick, or an insanely cringy dbrand wackiness.
Sponsor skip, assuming channel has an audience. Youll never see the annoying sponsor blocks
I wish UA-cam would stop showing me ads of people pretending to be MrBeast.
I've been seeing them for about 2 weeks now, and I even reported it once.
So.... the current algorithm favors a 2 hour show split into 5-10 min segments over the full video? Makes sense, and I can't really complain. As long as the incentive is for changing delivery rather than content.
It's still will, but I can see UA-cam's efforts going in a good direction
yeah... they have done a whole lot of nothing in the 3 weeks since this vid was made
Great job youtube... gotta love shadowbanning
"They've been doing something for a while"
"What do you mean, they removed the dislike button!"
EXACTLY dude. We used to be able to just downvote spam comments to death and once a certain dislike threshold was reached, the comment would be automatically hidden by default. That's just one of the many great features UA-cam used to have, and, inexplicably, no longer does.
And with each iteration, Google makes more money but the platform becomes worse for the users. It isn’t hard to see what the priority is.
pretty sure it didn't work like that
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme it actually did, just like videos being recommended less because of a bad dislike ratio so people didnt watch them to begin with
@@bradhaines3142 that has never been a thing.
Likes mean a thing is popular dislikes mean a thing is controversial.
Either way the more likely you are to interact with it is good to them.
Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them.
It was only ever true of comments and technically the comments still existed meaning it still boosted the video in the algorithm so they had no reason to care whether or not it was in sight.
@@RunicSigils "Videos like Friday or the last YT rewind were not magically hidden just because most people disliked them."
NPC logic. He said they got recommended less, not that they were "magically hidden". If you can't understand the person you're replying to, you shouldn't be debating them
Every time UA-cam asks if I’m satisfied with UA-cam I say no
Do you even pay for it?
@@gofreenow stop giving the left money fool.
@@gofreenow …go on
@@dirtydan6098 let him dig his hole lol
@@gofreenow i do, i pay with my privacy, is that enough?
i love how this just devolved into a conversation of how easily distracted yall are :)) ive never felt so at home lmao love this community.
Absolutely hilarious how it ends with them acknowledging that Linus will get sidetracked easily and will bring you along with the ride after 10 minutes of getting sidetracked and bring Luke along with the ride.
Squirrel?
Squirrel!
Nvme storage is very fast, ain’t that right lukey boy 🤔
Funniest shit I have heard from them in a long time :)
I wonder how many thousands upon thousands of dollars scammers have stolen thanks to UA-cam's painfully slow reaction to this
UA-cam made 75Bn/year when I last checked several years ago, so if we could imagine comment section scams being 2% as effective as youtube ads, that industry would be measured in the billions of dollars.
maybe not, but tens or hundreds of millions is still likely.
I rather have scammers in chat, than 5 ads in 10 minute video. Maybe chat needs to be YTRed only.
@@dertythegrower if they listened to you nothing would get done with how much you talk just in these comments
@@timnone2924 What are you even talking about little kid? I have one reply here above
the money isn't the issue. it's the hit to their reputation that would be the long term harm. like if it got so bad all legit viewers just ignored the comments; they gotta put a stop to that.
The thing about ad tolerance is absolutely real. I don't know why my brain makes this association, but I have the same exact response of browsing without adblock as I'd have walking into a dirty room old room. You know that feeling when the environment is so dirty you start feeling dirty? Trying to avoid touching anything? That's how it feels to me to browse with ads. It's weird, I know, but it's so strong that downloading adblock is literally the first thing I do on any computer I have to use. Even if it's 5 minutes. Sometimes even without telling the owner. I even avoid browsing on my phone (using the web browser/chrome, not talking about apps) because of ads.
Pihole helps some for phones. Also modified UA-cam apps that remove ads. Android is a given, but they exist on iOS too, and you don't even have to jailbreak your phone!
Opera Mobile or Firefox on Android with ublock is a good option if you want a mobile ad blocker
@@MuffinTastic The Lockdown app for iOS filters a lot of ads. It’s not perfect but I’d say it gets like 80% of them, which isn’t bad for a free app that minimally affects performance.
UA-cam vanzed goes brrrrrr
for me its not even a personal thing as far as PC goes, a while ago adblock just started seeming actually dangerous to do without. on my phone I just deal with it but i think that's "tolerance" in a different sense, like what linus was saying.
eventually a page can serve you a full screen of ads, and as long as you can see even a sliver of content without clicking an x your brain will literally refuse to process any of them even being there
A bit disturbing that its taken this long to address the spam issue. Thanks for the info!
Hey at least it's a step towards things we've all been complaining to yt..... for 15+ years now.
@@KeVsPIXEL To be fair, Spam is been something TECH INDUSTRY WIDE problem since the 90s, since the DAWN OF THE INTERNET. So not surprise that youtube, a company that spam literal countries even struggled to tackle this
Luke is the coworker every ADHDer needs 🤣😂❤
Low class on you.
"They removed the dislike button" now how will I know if the video I'm watching is absolute garbage?
There's an extension called "Return UA-cam Dislikes".
@@ivoryowl ik
@@ivoryowl and what if your not on pc?
@@TheUnknownCatWarrior nothing you can do then sadly
@@TheUnknownCatWarrior UA-cam Revanced or use Firefox