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Mojo Man when I use to ride, a lot of daytime riding minimal night time. I had a tinted shield with ansi approved clear slim glasses in my bag . I liked the combo.
only been watching these vids for the past two weeks and they are real good. Like MC Rider, i have been riding bikes since 1978 and now ride a 98 heritage springer and a 2012 Muscle...... and will be 60 this year............but we are all still just learning every time we throw our legs over our scooters................thanks for the videos bro...
Yeah, my Shoei helmet has a inner dark shield for sun as well as the outer clear visor. That's why I bought that one specifically, as it was more expensive for that feature. It's my first helmet, as I am a new rider, and I've used it for sun already. Happy with it. Thanks for your videos.
Excellent video, I've opted for the clear with drop down visor so that I can flip it up for tunnels and parking garages during the day. I'm gonna give Plexus a try, thanks for the tip.
Love the new into. Also I wear glasses and tend to ride with my visor open a tiny bit to avoid fogging. It’s just something I have dealt with my entire life.
I've found that the chrome/silver reflective visor to be pretty good for day/night riding. Now it does make it darker but nothing like having a true tinted visor on at night... That's just way too dark. I wear glasses. So other than buy super expensive shades I just deal with the trade off!
Within the helmet construction, the flip down visor is sandwiched between the outer shell and the EPS liner giving the same amount of protection to the rider.I myself have the HJC with this facility and it brill.
After going through two other helmets and not satisfied, finally got the Shoei RF1200 with the photochromic transitions shield. I have never had a fog issue and the bright light has not been an issue. I am brown eyed so I may be less sensitive. I wish I had started out this way. Would have saved me a lot of money! That's my two cents! Gonna go buy some Plexus now. Thanks Kevin!
Good information Kevin. One product you didn’t bring up is the SuperVisor attachment that adds the equivalent of the extended bill much like that MCrider baseball cap that you wear. It attaches to the flip up visor with strong 2 face tape, yet is vented at the top to minimise the effects of the wind blast to the profile of the helmet. The shadow it casts across the face is significant during the day, but I find it’s best selling point is the ability it provides you for riding into the low horizon sun in the early morning or late evening commute. Just dip your head down a bit and the sun is blocked like a car’s windshield visor. Between my clear visor, prescription sun glasses, and SuperVisor, I can ride any time of day or night without issues. Not bad for a $20 investment.
I have been using a C3-Pro with a dark visor for daytime riding. When things get really bright, I use the built-in drop-down sun visor also. It's the only way to go near sunrise and sunset. I carry a spare clear visor for rain and dark.
One thing I like about my Scorpion helmet is that it came with both clear and tinted visors in the box, and they're really easy to swap out, so if I'm going to a rally or out of town where I know I might end up in the dark, I always take the clear one with me.
A little detail you may have missed with the plexus. I don't think I'd recommend using it on mirrored visors as it may eat through the mirror coating on the exterior of the visor. Once that starts chipping off, you're left with a spotty mid-level smoked visor from the inside, and a patchy mirror finish on the outside.
Kevin, your advice on the Pinlock system was timely last year, I ride all year in the UK and we get a lot of cool/cold/wet weather and this winter was the first with crystal clear vision and I thank you for that. Can't recommend it enough if you ride all weathers or colder climates. The plexus is good and prolongs the visor life. I wear glasses and I've found not having them pressed up close to my face helps with fogging....also have plastic lenses helps too, glass always fogs. Love Major!
I've tried the pinlock system off and on but it never really seams to keep my visor crystal??? I use the InVision Hyper shield, it's a bit tricky to stick on but the gasket is thicker than that of the pinlock and no matter how heavy I breath they never fog up. I'm down here in Cornwall (UK) so know where you're coming from :)
In late fall when the sun starts to get low in the sky I put a piece of black gaffers tape across the top of my visor. I use gaff which is available at any photo store or online because it doesn't leave a lot of residue. This isn't original thought on my behalf. It's a well worn, time tested way to keep the fall/winter/early spring sun out of your eyes. Kevin, your videos are excellent.
For those of you that wear glasses and ride in the cold. The only combo I have found that works is a pinlock and contacts. If I just use the pinlock my glasses fog up. So when its really cold I use the contacts and the pinlock and get no fogging.
I’m returning to riding after being away for a long time. Helmets and their ventilation and built in drop down visors, and pin lock visors are great technology that didn’t exist when I ride previously.
Great info! One tip that really helped me was putting a couple of strips of black electrical tape across the top of the visor. Helps alot when the sun is lower on the horizon, and beaming into my eyes.
Good overview Kevin. We have used a KLIM TK1200 Modular helmet with the Transitions face shield and pin lock for the past year. It works so well we never need any additional glasses. My wife's eyes are very sensitive to light. She used to have to were dark glasses with a face shield. She now only wears dark glasses when she takes the helmet off. The shields go completely clear at night.
Hey Larry, been considering the TK1200 along with the E-1 & C4 from Schuberth plus waiting to see the new Neotec 2 from Shoei. What are your overall impressions of that helmet as far as sound, comfort, etc.? Also, do you have comm units on them? If so, which did you get? They look as if they might not accept the majority of comm units on the market without doing some cutting to the neck roll tabs. Thanks!
We have UClear Pro's installed, we did not have to cut anything to install, even the dual microphones under the brow line lining. Most of the internal padding snaps out. We opted for the UClear Pulse Pro speakers. The KT1200 is quieter than the Arai RX-Q it replaced. I used to ride a Suzuki M109R and most helmets vibrated so bad at speed I thought my brain would get scrambled. The Arai and the Klim did not vibrate from wind buffeting. Comfort: the low weight of this Carbon Fiber helmet makes it easy to wear all day. Last May we rode 486 miles in one day with strong cross winds in New Mexico, Arizona and Utah on a HD Ultra Limited. We did not experience any neck or shoulder discomfort. Our bottoms did not fare so well! One day on that trip we rode in rain and snow the full day, about 200 miles. With the pin locks in place we did not have any fogging or water making its way to our faces. I can honestly say the Klim TK1200 is the most comfortable helmet I have owned. I hope this information helps.
Larry Tomlinson Thanks again. I’ll look into the UClear Pro. Been using Sena products for years & like them, never tried others except the SRC System on my C3-Pro. Both my helmets have pinlocks, unfortunately I wear glasses & they fog up for a while. Once the acclimate they are fine. On my 2nd HD Ultra Limited, a 2017. Had the 2011 until last year. Rode over 700 miles in a day twice on the ‘11, I know what one’s butt feels like after that! 😬
Another couple of quick questions, Larry. You say you opted for the Pulse Pro speakers, I see them online. Why did you do that, stock speakers bad; better clarity and/or sound; better fitment? Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks.
Another couple of quick questions, Larry. You say you opted for the Pulse Pro speakers, I see them online. Why did you do that, stock speakers bad; better clarity and/or sound; better fitment? Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks.
Bell makes a single piece "double pane" visor (like a pin-lock) that you can swap into their Vortex, Revolver EVO, RS-1 and certain model years of the Star helmet. They were created for snowmobile use, but fit fine on motorcycle helmets also. I have one and it works great... no fogging at all. They also have an electric heated visor for several of the same helmets. It takes a little searching, but they're out there available on-line.
I love my "drop downs". In the spring and fall, in riding in the midwest where the roads are shaded by trees, the "in and out" of bright day light rules out sunglasses as you just can't keep changing them fast enough. The drop down solves the problem as I can raise and lower it faster than my eye will adapt to the changing light conditions.
As always you make some of the best videos on the channel; many thanks! FYI: Wiley X makes many styles of sunglasses including models with a sealing material around the frame, as you showed. They are optically correct, certified shatter proof (might be handy on a motorcycle) and readily available in many places, including amazon. Some models have the lens seal is removable. I have worn these for many years for many sports and differing equipment; everyday, motorcycle, atv, horseback, airplane and helicopter flying, water and snow skiing! Also, the Honda spray cleaner is about 1/3 rd. the price and has better reviews than plexus. Good Rides
Thank you again for another informative vid. The only thing I would add Kevin is that agv offer the internal sun visor on their entry model K3-SV. When I returned to biking last year after a long break, I knew I wanted the same make if helmet that saved my life back in 1977 when a Rover 3.5 attempted to shunt me into low Earth orbit!! Well, they don't make Agos anymore, so I opted for a design favoured by his modern day contemporary Rossi. They are also available in other designs and plain colours. I'm really impressed by the design, spec, features and level of protection and comfort this entry level helmet offers. One of the features this K3-SV has is the ability to crack the visor open a tiny bit to allow a very small flow of air to defog. But if you drop the visor down hard from open, the hold open thing will cancel itself. It's maybe not quite stiff enough when deployed, but easy to redeploy. Also, the sun visor deployment lever is on the left by the main visor hinge point. That's good design. I don't want to be tapping the top of my head while I'm riding. Shortest route is best. The only negative issue I've found is that when I'm putting my glasses on, the left arm seems to always want to slip behind the padding rather than behind my ear. But my ears were built for speed - being well pinned back from the factory, so I guess I don't really have anything to complain about. So, what began as an exercise in brand loyalty due to a 40 year old experience I'm still paying for in daily back pain, has turned into a genuine opportunity to recommend the agv K3-SV
A few weeks ago, I bought a new helmet as the old one (Shoei Multitec) had its 9th birthday and didn't feel nice anymore. Never had any issues with it though, it was just the inside comfort foam that was hardened due time. It had a gradually tinted visor (clear on the bottom, medium tinted at the top) which was great, but not perfect in low-light conditions (full shaded areas, tunnels and at night time). My new helmet is (again) a Shoei, the Neotec 2017 series in plain white. Many improvements, better aerodynamics and with a build-in drop-down sun visor. The "parking space" for this visor, does not reduce the material thickness of the impact foam in the shell. Instead, at this spot the shell has a bulge which provides space for the sun visor. So, in the case the safety is not compromised. It should never do. By the way... Did you know that Pinlock is a Dutch invention?... I use it since 1996, back then it had a plastic foil that protected the permanent glue around the edge, so to install it, you had to remove that foil and stick it (very carefully) onto the visor. You just had one chance to do it right. This had some flaws, as the glue did not seal perfectly resulting in water vapor between visor and shield. A few years later, the silicone gasket and pins were introduced, which is still a proven recipe. I wouldn't want it any other way, it's easy to adjust the tension, it's easy to remove for cleaning, it's perfect, I LOVE it!
Plexxus is awesome. My aftermarket windshield mfg recommended it years ago and I'm hooked. I'm so a clear visor and sunglasses guy. Used 1/2 helmets for decades so I'm just used to it now thst I've moved to a Bell Bullitt full face.
Just ordered a Scorpion 950 Helmet. They have a front face shield as well as tinted secondary shades that pop down. You can buy clear or Amber ones too. So if you run a tinted Visor you can flip it up and still see it without pulling over and swapping visors or putting glasses on.
I'm optically challenged so I have 2 pair of glasses. One pair that are transition that do not get dark enough when I'm in the cage and another pair that are prescription sun glasses. The clear shield is the only option form me. Good topic Kevin.
I use the hjc internal visor. Works perfectly fine for me. I also wear eyeglasses so I got the thin memory wire frames. On my non hjc helmet I use a series of clip on sunglasses of different colors and degree of darkness. All good. I care a cotton face cloth wet with a non amonia soap spray on it in a Ziploc bag. Clean the visor at every coffee stop
Using a Nolan N40.5 classic with drop-down visor. I find it most convenient to change from tinted to clear and back with the flick of a switch when going through tunnels or similar. In the old days I used to switch the visor or wear sunglasses under the clear... Concerning cleaning or bug removal: in europe / switzerland we haven't invented some things, which leaves us to experiment with the stuff that's available and/or acceptable price-range... I find that detailers offer a good beading from any kind of precipitation, while making it easier to remove any kind of contaminants while at the same protecting against crazying/fine scratches/love marks. Currently using Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer - nice coconut-scent and use it as well on the car... :)
I live in N.W. Indiana, I use Z-Clear on my helmet shield and glasses to reduce fogging. In less its below freezing then I still get a little fogging around the edge of my shield.
When I bought my helmet AGV Corsa, came with the anti fog, installed in the visor, made the mistake of washing the visor with antibacterial soap, and the anti-fog film that was brought to ruin, I share my experience so that it does not happen to you, always clean the visor with the appropriate product, greetings from Carmelo, Uruguay ✌
Whether you are in Greece or Denmark (California or Canada) the best option will always be a clear main visor and an additional sunscreen visor. This will cover regardless of strong sun, fog, rain, tunnels or night riding. You never know what you will encounter next
Talking about the 'star' effect when riding at night with a pinned dual face shield. The same effect is achieved without the dual face shield from having Lasik surgery on the eyes. Personally after having it done 15+ years ago (turning 54 in '19) it's a small price to pay to get rid of glasses. And you get used to it over time. Been on 2 wheels 46-47 years. Love it so much I refuse to die except on 2 wheels lol.
Hey kevin great vid as always. My new Shoei Neotec i installed a Photo Chromatic Pinlock. Not as dark as i would like but a happy medium for me to not need sunglasses as well. I also have custom transitions sunglasses as well when i wear a 3/4 Bell Custom 500 that work great. Plexus is $$ but im a firm believer in it!
Hi Ken, I have owned a Nolan N-90 for 10 years, looking to replace now with another Nolan. I really like the micro lock feature on chin strap, do not like double rings to secure the helmet. Always found the detents to alleviate fogging, just crack it open and fog is gone. Also the drop down tint inner shield works well, but wearing any kind of sunglasses gets uncomfortably tight. Problem is you need to try on the helmet to get the right size and to find a local dealer is difficult
Got an HJC IS-17 as well. Having an anti fog visor is nice, but what good is that for when the inner sun visor fogs up? It helps to open the main visor just a notch to increase airflow. Got a better solution?
One of my helmets is the HJC IS-Max modular model. I find that with the vents open, the sun visor will not fog up, however outer visor sometimes does, depending upon relative humidity and riding speed, unless the outer visor is cracked open slightly. Another concern is that, theoretically, that sun visor could give me a nasty cut on the nose should I crash with the thing actuated, because my nose is somewhat aquiline. I love the way the actuation is instantly canceled by tapping the release button, though. Try treating both the sun visor and the outer visor with an anti-fog treatment product.
Wheeljack2k I have used Rainx inside and outside of my helmet. I ride all year on the Gulf of Mexico deep South. What ever kind of weather we have its working for me. You can use some bar soap and rub it onto the inside of your visor. Wipe clean no water. You won't get ANY fog from breathing. Test that on the bathroom mirror! I've been riding for 40 years so this stuff is readily available to you just about where ever you happen to end up. I keep the rainx in my bags. Ok then! Stay off out of tha ditches! Turtle Have fun! Turtle
If you're looking for great glasses, check ski glasses. (not goggles) They are designed to be impact resistant to snow and grit, they wraparound your head and are built to protect from wind more than normal sunglasses. They also are often flexible and break resistant to minor impacts that happen if you fall skiing.
I have used Pledge to clean all my plastic with. I got the idea from when I flew airplanes. The refuelers always used Pledge to clean the plastic windshields on our plane.
Some helmets have a clear option for the drop down. This allows you to have the dark tinted visor with the clear backup. I like this option because I'll sunburn with a clear visor.
As a detailer it was kinda obvious I ceramic coated my entire helmet, including the visor, I always have a small bottle of PH neutral car shampoo and a bottle of distilled water on board keeping in case of a suicidal bug, due to that ceramic coating most bugs ricochets of or clean of right away. Also I tinted my retractable sun with an extra layer of car window tint. As you said those visors aren't as dark as a tinted visor, easy fix
Hey Kevin, always great information on your videos. Love seeing little Major helping out. You must be working him way too hard as waking up from a sleep lol.
If you ride in cold temps and have issues with fogging, a snowmobile helmet will be the answer for you. A good double paned shield and a breath deflector which sled helmets have will hardly ever fog.
I would like for helmet manufacturers that have the drop-down shields inside to offer clear shields. When I bought my Sedici I knew the inner visor was not dark enough for sunny days in NC, so like you, I went with a dark face shield. Up until the time change last week, riding home from work was a bit dicey. I will look into the glasses option though, I can carry them in the R1200s glovebox.
I would never buy a street helmet that doesn't have the internal sun visor. It's super convenient when riding in and out of shade, especially in forests and mountains late in the evening. I usually carry sunglasses with me as well, because you often want them when you get to wherever it is that you're going. A clear face shield is fine, but most helmets have a lightly smoked option that I get if I need to replace a scratched or cracked face shield only because I think it looks a little better and it's still easy enough to see at night.
I'm glad you asked if you missed anything. You showed a stack of colored visors, but you didn't discuss them. I hear all the opinions about the issue that each color is supposed to solve. I've never really believed any of it, and I'm certainly not willing to buy them at $70 each for a test. Do you have any experience with them?
Thanks for bringing that up. I just did a UA-cam search and it looks like AGV had a version out two years ago. I'm not sure of other manufacturers but it seems like the only downside according to the Revzilla review was that it couldn't go completely clear, the lightest it would go was a light smoke color.
I have a Shoei Qwest with the PinLoc. I do notice the glare at night, but it's not too bad. The one drawback is I wear glasses. The PinLoc keeps the visor from fogging, but can't do anything about your glasses. For sunlight, I wear prescription sunglasses, which I have with me at all times, riding or not. Ryan at FortNine also suggested goggles for urban riding, when you do a lot of stop and go in traffic, to avoid having to keep flipping the visor up every time you stop and start heating up inside the helmet.
Also, the Qwest has a "lock" on the side to lock down the visor if you want to. It has three positions: locked, normal and a "cracked" position that lifts the visor just a tiny bit, allowing air in around the bottom edge. This is a godsend in Texas summer. This also helps with the fogging glasses, though in winter when the fog is a problem, it also lets in cold air...
I do have an HJC RPHA 11 Pro and I've been caught at night with tinted shield. Personally, I find that the shield is still fine for me at night. Sure it's a bit darker but not by much. I do have tear offs for preventing bugs and dirt from dirtying my face shield. As for cleaning the shield, I first soak a paper towel with water then place it over the face shield. After 5 min, you can easily wipe your face shield with a clean paper towel. Then I use the Plexus to further clean the face shield and entire helmet.
I agree with Keitho. I have a Scorpion helmet and their shields come with a anti-fogging protection built in, but that isn't what fogs up for me, it's my glasses instead. The curse of not being able to wear contacts I guess. UGH !!!
I have a set of glasses that I use just for ridding and give them a wipe with anti fog when I finish ridding for the day and a quick polish at the start of the next ride. Still not perfect but it does help.
Another option for adv dual sport riders is to have a pair of mx goggles handy so you can flip up the visor and slip those on, only in a compatible helmet of course
Kevin, I have two modular helmets and a half helmet. My modular are a HJC with a pin lock and my Bell does not have it. The visors on both work fine as far as shading light. The pin lock is a god send early in the morning to prevent fogging. My Bell half helmet unfortunately requires I carry two visors, smoked and clear if I am out after dark.
I prefer Oakley SI sunglasses over dark tinted faceshields anytime, anyday. Can wear them 6-7 hours straight without any discomfort in the helmet. Get a touring-enduro helmet and forget the fogging problems.
Oakleys are vastly overpriced. Those sunglasses should only be about $50 tops. The rest of it is because they're made by Luxxotica that pretty much owns the market for glasses having illegally forced Oakley and Ray Bans out of the market.
always have a clear visor , I change at the late afternoon gas stop , takes less than a min on my Shoei , my GT Air also has a flip down built in visor.
My choice is the clear shield with a flip down sun shield. I have had several of these helmets. They are hard to find but work well. I replace my helmets every five years or after a drop.
PinLock - well, it is not a 100% fog free feature. It also will eventually get foggy, it only depends on the weather conditions. One other thing to know, remember and do - PinLock needs to be properly adjusted! Those Pins in the visor are actually cams, and by turning them one way or opposite you can fix the PinLock in a way so it is firmly attached to the visor all the way of the silocon (not rubber :)) sealed. If you don't adjust it, and the seal does not adjoins the visor, you will see the fog there in no time.
Since i tried a helmet with an internal drop down sun visor that is what i demand of any helmet i buy. There is nothing that beats that imo. And when it comes to safety the HJC he used in this video has one and at Sharp it is impact tested on the forehead and it was green(best protection) so i'm thinking the sun visor doesn't diminish the safety all that much. When it comes to things i would have liked to see it would be the mirror visors. Some say that they are able to keep the sun out of your eyes while still being bright to see through even at night.
I like helmets with the clear face shields the best , that have the inner flip down sunglass visor. Also some helmets don't include a cut-out space in the helmets inner padding to allow clearance for spectacle / sunglasses 'arms' , so the the helmets without the cutouts will press those spectacle 'arms' into your temples ..., and that gets annoying and hurts after a while when riding.
I have an HJC with pin locks, i run a clear visor with a tinted insert and keep a clear insert with me for extended rides. Much easier to switch inserts in my opinion.
Pinlock inserts are great but very expensive. I found that the invision pro shield inserts are just as effective and far less expensive. Plus they work with both pinlock ready faceshields and non-pinlock ready faceshields.
What about mirrored visors? When it's really sunny out I have a tendency to be able to see my reflection when I ride with the visor down which distorts my vision. So when I'm riding towards direct sunlight I ride with the visor up. Any tips on reducing or eliminating the reflection?
After cataract surgery you no longer have a natural lens, so the retina in the back of your eye can get fried from UV rays. That's not what you want. I switched to a dark tinted shield on my HJC modular and if you have saddlebags, there is always room for a clear visor. Switching over only takes an easy minute.
Hi Kevin Great info on visors, especially the cleaner. Already ordered a can. I have the same HJC IS17 helmet. I am really curios what mount you have on it for the camera. I just cant seem to find a good chin mount for my camera. Thanks for the great show every week. always look forward to it.
I had a major glare at sunset with my HJC 17 and got really scared even at a slow speed. I placed to two peaces of electrical tape side by side to create a visor at top of the face shild and it works well. If you do a clean job, it looks like part of the helmet. Its a life saver... saver...... That was one scary moment.
I love my helmet with the drop down interior visor. Makes me feel like a fighter pilot!!LOL I have to wear prescription glasses so sunglasses are not an option for me. The tinted drop down visor works well for me with a clear exterior visor for darkness.
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This guy is awesome. Heart of gold for sure.
Sunglasses and clear visor is my regular choice, also have the built-in dropdown visor.
Mojo Man when I use to ride, a lot of daytime riding minimal night time. I had a tinted shield with ansi approved clear slim glasses in my bag . I liked the combo.
only been watching these vids for the past two weeks and they are real good. Like MC Rider, i have been riding bikes since 1978 and now ride a 98 heritage springer and a 2012 Muscle...... and will be 60 this year............but we are all still just learning every time we throw our legs over our scooters................thanks for the videos bro...
Yeah, my Shoei helmet has a inner dark shield for sun as well as the outer clear visor. That's why I bought that one specifically, as it was more expensive for that feature. It's my first helmet, as I am a new rider, and I've used it for sun already. Happy with it. Thanks for your videos.
Is the dark shield polarized?
@@x-man5056 Hey. This post was a long time ago and I no longer have the helmet, so I can't check.
I had pinlock question and you answered it..
6 years later!!👍🏽❤️🇺🇸
Excellent video, I've opted for the clear with drop down visor so that I can flip it up for tunnels and parking garages during the day. I'm gonna give Plexus a try, thanks for the tip.
most rational decision imho...
Love the new into.
Also I wear glasses and tend to ride with my visor open a tiny bit to avoid fogging. It’s just something I have dealt with my entire life.
I also wear glasses. Have you tried the pinlock visor???
I've found that the chrome/silver reflective visor to be pretty good for day/night riding. Now it does make it darker but nothing like having a true tinted visor on at night... That's just way too dark. I wear glasses. So other than buy super expensive shades I just deal with the trade off!
You could consider one of those clip-on dark lenses to put on your prescription glasses. It looks dorky, but you're in helmet so nobody sees it :)
MGL I'll look into that! Thanks.
Within the helmet construction, the flip down visor is sandwiched between the outer shell and the EPS liner giving the same amount of protection to the rider.I myself have the HJC with this facility and it brill.
After going through two other helmets and not satisfied, finally got the Shoei RF1200 with the photochromic transitions shield. I have never had a fog issue and the bright light has not been an issue. I am brown eyed so I may be less sensitive. I wish I had started out this way. Would have saved me a lot of money! That's my two cents! Gonna go buy some Plexus now. Thanks Kevin!
Are you still using this photochromic shield?
Major!! What a cool little dude!
Getting bigger every week.
Good information Kevin.
One product you didn’t bring up is the SuperVisor attachment that adds the equivalent of the extended bill much like that MCrider baseball cap that you wear. It attaches to the flip up visor with strong 2 face tape, yet is vented at the top to minimise the effects of the wind blast to the profile of the helmet. The shadow it casts across the face is significant during the day, but I find it’s best selling point is the ability it provides you for riding into the low horizon sun in the early morning or late evening commute. Just dip your head down a bit and the sun is blocked like a car’s windshield visor. Between my clear visor, prescription sun glasses, and SuperVisor, I can ride any time of day or night without issues.
Not bad for a $20 investment.
I have been using a C3-Pro with a dark visor for daytime riding. When things get really bright, I use the built-in drop-down sun visor also. It's the only way to go near sunrise and sunset. I carry a spare clear visor for rain and dark.
To be honest, I really like the look of a dark visor. It gives you that sick “unknown” look that I really like!
Great way of getting peeps to watch your videos to the end, your a cunning guy.
:)
One thing I like about my Scorpion helmet is that it came with both clear and tinted visors in the box, and they're really easy to swap out, so if I'm going to a rally or out of town where I know I might end up in the dark, I always take the clear one with me.
A little detail you may have missed with the plexus. I don't think I'd recommend using it on mirrored visors as it may eat through the mirror coating on the exterior of the visor. Once that starts chipping off, you're left with a spotty mid-level smoked visor from the inside, and a patchy mirror finish on the outside.
Kevin, your advice on the Pinlock system was timely last year, I ride all year in the UK and we get a lot of cool/cold/wet weather and this winter was the first with crystal clear vision and I thank you for that. Can't recommend it enough if you ride all weathers or colder climates. The plexus is good and prolongs the visor life. I wear glasses and I've found not having them pressed up close to my face helps with fogging....also have plastic lenses helps too, glass always fogs. Love Major!
I've tried the pinlock system off and on but it never really seams to keep my visor crystal??? I use the InVision Hyper shield, it's a bit tricky to stick on but the gasket is thicker than that of the pinlock and no matter how heavy I breath they never fog up. I'm down here in Cornwall (UK) so know where you're coming from :)
I went pinlock after Kevin's suggestion last year as well. Ended my fogging issues.
In late fall when the sun starts to get low in the sky I put a piece of black gaffers tape across the top of my visor. I use gaff which is available at any photo store or online because it doesn't leave a lot of residue. This isn't original thought on my behalf. It's a well worn, time tested way to keep the fall/winter/early spring sun out of your eyes. Kevin, your videos are excellent.
You're so right about that Texas sun. I definitely need to look into getting a tinted visor. That for the useful info MCrider.
For those of you that wear glasses and ride in the cold. The only combo I have found that works is a pinlock and contacts. If I just use the pinlock my glasses fog up. So when its really cold I use the contacts and the pinlock and get no fogging.
I’m returning to riding after being away for a long time. Helmets and their ventilation and built in drop down visors, and pin lock visors are great technology that didn’t exist when I ride previously.
your vids are just the best...thank you so much for who you are and your presentations...love the info I learn from you.
Great info! One tip that really helped me was putting a couple of strips of black electrical tape across the top of the visor. Helps alot when the sun is lower on the horizon, and beaming into my eyes.
Good overview Kevin. We have used a KLIM TK1200 Modular helmet with the Transitions face shield and pin lock for the past year. It works so well we never need any additional glasses. My wife's eyes are very sensitive to light. She used to have to were dark glasses with a face shield. She now only wears dark glasses when she takes the helmet off. The shields go completely clear at night.
Hey Larry, been considering the TK1200 along with the E-1 & C4 from Schuberth plus waiting to see the new Neotec 2 from Shoei. What are your overall impressions of that helmet as far as sound, comfort, etc.? Also, do you have comm units on them? If so, which did you get? They look as if they might not accept the majority of comm units on the market without doing some cutting to the neck roll tabs. Thanks!
We have UClear Pro's installed, we did not have to cut anything to install, even the dual microphones under the brow line lining. Most of the internal padding snaps out. We opted for the UClear Pulse Pro speakers. The KT1200 is quieter than the Arai RX-Q it replaced. I used to ride a Suzuki M109R and most helmets vibrated so bad at speed I thought my brain would get scrambled. The Arai and the Klim did not vibrate from wind buffeting. Comfort: the low weight of this Carbon Fiber helmet makes it easy to wear all day. Last May we rode 486 miles in one day with strong cross winds in New Mexico, Arizona and Utah on a HD Ultra Limited. We did not experience any neck or shoulder discomfort. Our bottoms did not fare so well! One day on that trip we rode in rain and snow the full day, about 200 miles. With the pin locks in place we did not have any fogging or water making its way to our faces. I can honestly say the Klim TK1200 is the most comfortable helmet I have owned. I hope this information helps.
Larry Tomlinson Thanks again. I’ll look into the UClear Pro. Been using Sena products for years & like them, never tried others except the SRC System on my C3-Pro. Both my helmets have pinlocks, unfortunately I wear glasses & they fog up for a while. Once the acclimate they are fine. On my 2nd HD Ultra Limited, a 2017. Had the 2011 until last year. Rode over 700 miles in a day twice on the ‘11, I know what one’s butt feels like after that! 😬
Another couple of quick questions, Larry. You say you opted for the Pulse Pro speakers, I see them online. Why did you do that, stock speakers bad; better clarity and/or sound; better fitment? Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks.
Another couple of quick questions, Larry. You say you opted for the Pulse Pro speakers, I see them online. Why did you do that, stock speakers bad; better clarity and/or sound; better fitment? Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks.
Bell makes a single piece "double pane" visor (like a pin-lock) that you can swap into their Vortex, Revolver EVO, RS-1 and certain model years of the Star helmet. They were created for snowmobile use, but fit fine on motorcycle helmets also. I have one and it works great... no fogging at all. They also have an electric heated visor for several of the same helmets. It takes a little searching, but they're out there available on-line.
I like to have 2 visors in 1 clear under and dark above so I can just flick the dark one up. right tab for dark. left for both
I love my "drop downs". In the spring and fall, in riding in the midwest where the roads are shaded by trees, the "in and out" of bright day light rules out sunglasses as you just can't keep changing them fast enough. The drop down solves the problem as I can raise and lower it faster than my eye will adapt to the changing light conditions.
As always you make some of the best videos on the channel; many thanks!
FYI: Wiley X makes many styles of sunglasses including models with a sealing material around the frame, as you showed. They are optically correct, certified shatter proof (might be handy on a motorcycle) and readily available in many places, including amazon. Some models have the lens seal is removable. I have worn these for many years for many sports and differing equipment; everyday, motorcycle, atv, horseback, airplane and helicopter flying, water and snow skiing!
Also, the Honda spray cleaner is about 1/3 rd. the price and has better reviews than plexus. Good Rides
Thank you again for another informative vid. The only thing I would add Kevin is that agv offer the internal sun visor on their entry model K3-SV. When I returned to biking last year after a long break, I knew I wanted the same make if helmet that saved my life back in 1977 when a Rover 3.5 attempted to shunt me into low Earth orbit!! Well, they don't make Agos anymore, so I opted for a design favoured by his modern day contemporary Rossi. They are also available in other designs and plain colours.
I'm really impressed by the design, spec, features and level of protection and comfort this entry level helmet offers.
One of the features this K3-SV has is the ability to crack the visor open a tiny bit to allow a very small flow of air to defog. But if you drop the visor down hard from open, the hold open thing will cancel itself. It's maybe not quite stiff enough when deployed, but easy to redeploy.
Also, the sun visor deployment lever is on the left by the main visor hinge point. That's good design. I don't want to be tapping the top of my head while I'm riding. Shortest route is best.
The only negative issue I've found is that when I'm putting my glasses on, the left arm seems to always want to slip behind the padding rather than behind my ear. But my ears were built for speed - being well pinned back from the factory, so I guess I don't really have anything to complain about.
So, what began as an exercise in brand loyalty due to a 40 year old experience I'm still paying for in daily back pain, has turned into a genuine opportunity to recommend the agv K3-SV
Schuberth C3 Pro with drop down sun visor...perfect for me as I wear spectacles
Really like the hjc modular with drop down tinted visor and clear outer.
Added pinlock and chin curtain.
Thanks Kevin! Nice companion
A few weeks ago, I bought a new helmet as the old one (Shoei Multitec) had its 9th birthday and didn't feel nice anymore. Never had any issues with it though, it was just the inside comfort foam that was hardened due time. It had a gradually tinted visor (clear on the bottom, medium tinted at the top) which was great, but not perfect in low-light conditions (full shaded areas, tunnels and at night time).
My new helmet is (again) a Shoei, the Neotec 2017 series in plain white. Many improvements, better aerodynamics and with a build-in drop-down sun visor. The "parking space" for this visor, does not reduce the material thickness of the impact foam in the shell. Instead, at this spot the shell has a bulge which provides space for the sun visor. So, in the case the safety is not compromised. It should never do.
By the way... Did you know that Pinlock is a Dutch invention?... I use it since 1996, back then it had a plastic foil that protected the permanent glue around the edge, so to install it, you had to remove that foil and stick it (very carefully) onto the visor. You just had one chance to do it right. This had some flaws, as the glue did not seal perfectly resulting in water vapor between visor and shield. A few years later, the silicone gasket and pins were introduced, which is still a proven recipe. I wouldn't want it any other way, it's easy to adjust the tension, it's easy to remove for cleaning, it's perfect, I LOVE it!
I use Plexus to clean all the plastic parts on my motorcycle. Great stuff!
Plexxus is awesome. My aftermarket windshield mfg recommended it years ago and I'm hooked. I'm so a clear visor and sunglasses guy. Used 1/2 helmets for decades so I'm just used to it now thst I've moved to a Bell Bullitt full face.
Really like your vids! Very thorough and great for a new rider like myself. Keep it up!
I have a sadicci helmet with drop down sun shade.first time with one.i love it.thanks for the great video Kevin.
Just ordered a Scorpion 950 Helmet. They have a front face shield as well as tinted secondary shades that pop down. You can buy clear or Amber ones too. So if you run a tinted Visor you can flip it up and still see it without pulling over and swapping visors or putting glasses on.
I'm optically challenged so I have 2 pair of glasses. One pair that are transition that do not get dark enough when I'm in the cage and another pair that are prescription sun glasses. The clear shield is the only option form me. Good topic Kevin.
I use the hjc internal visor. Works perfectly fine for me. I also wear eyeglasses so I got the thin memory wire frames. On my non hjc helmet I use a series of clip on sunglasses of different colors and degree of darkness. All good. I care a cotton face cloth wet with a non amonia soap spray on it in a Ziploc bag. Clean the visor at every coffee stop
Love my transition shield !!
Using a Nolan N40.5 classic with drop-down visor. I find it most convenient to change from tinted to clear and back with the flick of a switch when going through tunnels or similar. In the old days I used to switch the visor or wear sunglasses under the clear...
Concerning cleaning or bug removal: in europe / switzerland we haven't invented some things, which leaves us to experiment with the stuff that's available and/or acceptable price-range... I find that detailers offer a good beading from any kind of precipitation, while making it easier to remove any kind of contaminants while at the same protecting against crazying/fine scratches/love marks. Currently using Sonax Brilliant Shine Detailer - nice coconut-scent and use it as well on the car... :)
My best to you and the addition to Major....
Plexus is great. It works well with the plastics on the motorcycle as well. I was my bike with it and it shines up nice
I live in N.W. Indiana, I use Z-Clear on my helmet shield and glasses to reduce fogging. In less its below freezing then I still get a little fogging around the edge of my shield.
Because I ride a lot during colder weather, usually as low as 45 degrees. The Pinlock has been a saving for my riding..
When I bought my helmet AGV Corsa, came with the anti fog, installed in the visor, made the mistake of washing the visor with antibacterial soap, and the anti-fog film that was brought to ruin, I share my experience so that it does not happen to you, always clean the visor with the appropriate product, greetings from Carmelo, Uruguay ✌
I'll have a look for plexis. Love Major. Thanks Kev
Whether you are in Greece or Denmark (California or Canada) the best option will always be a clear main visor and an additional sunscreen visor. This will cover regardless of strong sun, fog, rain, tunnels or night riding. You never know what you will encounter next
Talking about the 'star' effect when riding at night with a pinned dual face shield. The same effect is achieved without the dual face shield from having Lasik surgery on the eyes. Personally after having it done 15+ years ago (turning 54 in '19) it's a small price to pay to get rid of glasses. And you get used to it over time. Been on 2 wheels 46-47 years. Love it so much I refuse to die except on 2 wheels lol.
Been using plexus for years!! Excellent Product.
Hey kevin great vid as always. My new Shoei Neotec i installed a Photo Chromatic Pinlock. Not as dark as i would like but a happy medium for me to not need sunglasses as well. I also have custom transitions sunglasses as well when i wear a 3/4 Bell Custom 500 that work great. Plexus is $$ but im a firm believer in it!
Hi Ken, I have owned a Nolan N-90 for 10 years, looking to replace now with another Nolan. I really like the micro lock feature on chin strap, do not like double rings to secure the helmet. Always found the detents to alleviate fogging, just crack it open and fog is gone. Also the drop down tint inner shield works well, but wearing any kind of sunglasses gets uncomfortably tight. Problem is you need to try on the helmet to get the right size and to find a local dealer is difficult
Got an HJC IS-17 as well. Having an anti fog visor is nice, but what good is that for when the inner sun visor fogs up?
It helps to open the main visor just a notch to increase airflow. Got a better solution?
One of my helmets is the HJC IS-Max modular model. I find that with the vents open, the sun visor will not fog up, however outer visor sometimes does, depending upon relative humidity and riding speed, unless the outer visor is cracked open slightly. Another concern is that, theoretically, that sun visor could give me a nasty cut on the nose should I crash with the thing actuated, because my nose is somewhat aquiline. I love the way the actuation is instantly canceled by tapping the release button, though. Try treating both the sun visor and the outer visor with an anti-fog treatment product.
Wheeljack2k I have used Rainx inside and outside of my helmet. I ride all year on the Gulf of Mexico deep South. What ever kind of weather we have its working for me. You can use some bar soap and rub it onto the inside of your visor. Wipe clean no water. You won't get ANY fog from breathing. Test that on the bathroom mirror! I've been riding for 40 years so this stuff is readily available to you just about where ever you happen to end up. I keep the rainx in my bags. Ok then! Stay off out of tha ditches! Turtle
Have fun! Turtle
If you're looking for great glasses, check ski glasses. (not goggles) They are designed to be impact resistant to snow and grit, they wraparound your head and are built to protect from wind more than normal sunglasses. They also are often flexible and break resistant to minor impacts that happen if you fall skiing.
Great stuff, also use Rain X, helps keep the visor clear of rain, also on car windscreen.
I have used Pledge to clean all my plastic with. I got the idea from when I flew airplanes. The refuelers always used Pledge to clean the plastic windshields on our plane.
Some helmets have a clear option for the drop down. This allows you to have the dark tinted visor with the clear backup. I like this option because I'll sunburn with a clear visor.
As a detailer it was kinda obvious I ceramic coated my entire helmet, including the visor, I always have a small bottle of PH neutral car shampoo and a bottle of distilled water on board keeping in case of a suicidal bug, due to that ceramic coating most bugs ricochets of or clean of right away. Also I tinted my retractable sun with an extra layer of car window tint. As you said those visors aren't as dark as a tinted visor, easy fix
Hey Kevin, always great information on your videos. Love seeing little Major helping out. You must be working him way too hard as waking up from a sleep lol.
I like a yellow lens for those dull days. Works OK at night for a little bit.
If you ride in cold temps and have issues with fogging, a snowmobile helmet will be the answer for you. A good double paned shield and a breath deflector which sled helmets have will hardly ever fog.
I would like for helmet manufacturers that have the drop-down shields inside to offer clear shields. When I bought my Sedici I knew the inner visor was not dark enough for sunny days in NC, so like you, I went with a dark face shield. Up until the time change last week, riding home from work was a bit dicey. I will look into the glasses option though, I can carry them in the R1200s glovebox.
I've used rain-x inside the shield and it does its work keeping my shield from fogging for approximately two weeks.
I always carry your option in the tank bag
I would never buy a street helmet that doesn't have the internal sun visor. It's super convenient when riding in and out of shade, especially in forests and mountains late in the evening. I usually carry sunglasses with me as well, because you often want them when you get to wherever it is that you're going. A clear face shield is fine, but most helmets have a lightly smoked option that I get if I need to replace a scratched or cracked face shield only because I think it looks a little better and it's still easy enough to see at night.
I'm glad you asked if you missed anything. You showed a stack of colored visors, but you didn't discuss them. I hear all the opinions about the issue that each color is supposed to solve. I've never really believed any of it, and I'm certainly not willing to buy them at $70 each for a test. Do you have any experience with them?
Did you miss anything? Yes. LCD visor. The latest technology. I have never tried one but saw one at the Motorcycle Show.
I knew about LCD visors for welding lenses, but not for MC visors, I'll have to look into that. Thanks!
www.webbikeworld.com/ami-powersports-akari-ax12-review/
Thanks for bringing that up. I just did a UA-cam search and it looks like AGV had a version out two years ago. I'm not sure of other manufacturers but it seems like the only downside according to the Revzilla review was that it couldn't go completely clear, the lightest it would go was a light smoke color.
Very good! Thanks Kevin.
I wholeheartedly agree plexus is the best
I have a Shoei Qwest with the PinLoc. I do notice the glare at night, but it's not too bad. The one drawback is I wear glasses. The PinLoc keeps the visor from fogging, but can't do anything about your glasses. For sunlight, I wear prescription sunglasses, which I have with me at all times, riding or not. Ryan at FortNine also suggested goggles for urban riding, when you do a lot of stop and go in traffic, to avoid having to keep flipping the visor up every time you stop and start heating up inside the helmet.
Also, the Qwest has a "lock" on the side to lock down the visor if you want to. It has three positions: locked, normal and a "cracked" position that lifts the visor just a tiny bit, allowing air in around the bottom edge. This is a godsend in Texas summer. This also helps with the fogging glasses, though in winter when the fog is a problem, it also lets in cold air...
I use Lemon Pledge to clean my visors. Works fine and doesn't scratch the visor.
I do have an HJC RPHA 11 Pro and I've been caught at night with tinted shield.
Personally, I find that the shield is still fine for me at night. Sure it's a bit darker but not by much.
I do have tear offs for preventing bugs and dirt from dirtying my face shield.
As for cleaning the shield, I first soak a paper towel with water then place it over the face shield.
After 5 min, you can easily wipe your face shield with a clean paper towel.
Then I use the Plexus to further clean the face shield and entire helmet.
Bell Qualifier DLX MIPS, comes with a transition visor - best visor ever.
I Must admit smoked visor with pinlock works best for me as glasses wearer
Even at night as all the reflections aren’t there
I agree with Keitho. I have a Scorpion helmet and their shields come with a anti-fogging protection built in, but that isn't what fogs up for me, it's my glasses instead. The curse of not being able to wear contacts I guess. UGH !!!
I have a set of glasses that I use just for ridding and give them a wipe with anti fog when I finish ridding for the day and a quick polish at the start of the next ride. Still not perfect but it does help.
Another option for adv dual sport riders is to have a pair of mx goggles handy so you can flip up the visor and slip those on, only in a compatible helmet of course
Kevin, I have two modular helmets and a half helmet. My modular are a HJC with a pin lock and my Bell does not have it. The visors on both work fine as far as shading light. The pin lock is a god send early in the morning to prevent fogging. My Bell half helmet unfortunately requires I carry two visors, smoked and clear if I am out after dark.
I prefer Oakley SI sunglasses over dark tinted faceshields anytime, anyday. Can wear them 6-7 hours straight without any discomfort in the helmet. Get a touring-enduro helmet and forget the fogging problems.
Oakleys are vastly overpriced. Those sunglasses should only be about $50 tops. The rest of it is because they're made by Luxxotica that pretty much owns the market for glasses having illegally forced Oakley and Ray Bans out of the market.
Very thorough video. I had never seen the outside sunvisor before.
always have a clear visor , I change at the late afternoon gas stop , takes less than a min on my Shoei , my GT Air also has a flip down built in visor.
Love the product recommendations
My choice is the clear shield with a flip down sun shield. I have had several of these helmets. They are hard to find but work well. I replace my helmets every five years or after a drop.
PinLock - well, it is not a 100% fog free feature. It also will eventually get foggy, it only depends on the weather conditions.
One other thing to know, remember and do - PinLock needs to be properly adjusted! Those Pins in the visor are actually cams, and by turning them one way or opposite you can fix the PinLock in a way so it is firmly attached to the visor all the way of the silocon (not rubber :)) sealed.
If you don't adjust it, and the seal does not adjoins the visor, you will see the fog there in no time.
Since i tried a helmet with an internal drop down sun visor that is what i demand of any helmet i buy. There is nothing that beats that imo. And when it comes to safety the HJC he used in this video has one and at Sharp it is impact tested on the forehead and it was green(best protection) so i'm thinking the sun visor doesn't diminish the safety all that much.
When it comes to things i would have liked to see it would be the mirror visors. Some say that they are able to keep the sun out of your eyes while still being bright to see through even at night.
Love my Shoei RF-SR with blue chrome tinted visor
I like helmets with the clear face shields the best , that have the inner flip down sunglass visor.
Also some helmets don't include a cut-out space in the helmets inner padding to allow clearance for spectacle / sunglasses 'arms' , so the the helmets without the cutouts will press those spectacle 'arms' into your temples ..., and that gets annoying and hurts after a while when riding.
Thanks for the review Kevin. Good information. By the way, Major is a handsome lad!
I have an HJC with pin locks, i run a clear visor with a tinted insert and keep a clear insert with me for extended rides. Much easier to switch inserts in my opinion.
Pinlock inserts are great but very expensive. I found that the invision pro shield inserts are just as effective and far less expensive. Plus they work with both pinlock ready faceshields and non-pinlock ready faceshields.
What about mirrored visors? When it's really sunny out I have a tendency to be able to see my reflection when I ride with the visor down which distorts my vision. So when I'm riding towards direct sunlight I ride with the visor up. Any tips on reducing or eliminating the reflection?
Great video that taught me some things. Use Plexus with a microfiber cloth BTW, not a paper towel (!).
After cataract surgery you no longer have a natural lens, so the retina in the back of your eye can get fried from UV rays.
That's not what you want. I switched to a dark tinted shield on my HJC modular and if you have saddlebags, there is always room for a clear visor. Switching over only takes an easy minute.
Hi Kevin
Great info on visors, especially the cleaner. Already ordered a can. I have the same HJC IS17 helmet. I am really curios what mount you have on it for the camera. I just cant seem to find a good chin mount for my camera. Thanks for the great show every week. always look forward to it.
Here ya go. ua-cam.com/video/VhO_X3nF3GQ/v-deo.html
Thanks for the quick response. I guess I only started subscribing after that video.
I never thought about glasses/goggles! I usually carry a clear visor for after dark. Wonder if it’ll be a snug fit in my Shoei NXR
I had a major glare at sunset with my HJC 17 and got really scared even at a slow speed. I placed to two peaces of electrical tape side by side to create a visor at top of the face shild and it works well. If you do a clean job, it looks like part of the helmet. Its a life saver...
saver...... That was one scary moment.
I love my helmet with the drop down interior visor. Makes me feel like a fighter pilot!!LOL I have to wear prescription glasses so sunglasses are not an option for me. The tinted drop down visor works well for me with a clear exterior visor for darkness.
Scorpion has the internal type, I like them. My commute has me in the rising and setting sun, and being able to flip it on and off is safer for me.