How to learn and practice counter steering
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- This week on MCrider we look at a couple of practice exercises that you can use to learn and practice the technique of counter steering on your motorcycle. This is an easy exercise to set up but does require a fairly large parking lot to practice on.
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How does one know WHEN to countersteer vs direct steer? Is there a certain grey zone where either will work on a range of speed?
I´ve just bought my first bike, I am a "one month old" rider and your videos are really helping me to learn to ride without bad habits. Just want to thank you, keep sharing knowledge, it's really helpful.
How's your riding been? I'm take a course in two weeks and plan to buy the honda 700N CTX DCT as my first.
Really getting a lot from these videos, thanks for sharing! I’m a fairly new rider in North Texas and I will look at scheduling a class with MCRider before the winter to get my legs out from under me more! I look forward to learning more about riding on 2 wheels!
Thank you so much for that good information a subscriber and a new rider I be riding for the last four days you made it simple and easy by using the cones to help you count us to gear thank you so very much
You’ve been very helpful to me thanks for your work doing this content.
here in South Africa I use the lane lines to practice counter steering on a road that is not busy, parking lots are being fenced off so it is difficult to find one, thank you.
Major stole the show!
Oh yes he did. I just got a Shollie. German Shepherd and Collie combined. It's a popular thing to do they say. Read a ton before getting one. This was from a normally pure bred Collie dealer but there was an accident, lol.
@maxpower1819 what's ACT mean in this context?
By the time I caught this video it was almost 2yrs later. So Major is a full grown pooch I imagine. Nice pup 2yrs ago beautiful Dog no doubt now. Dogs are my favorite people.
thx for the lessons from learner driver in Sweden.
I used to practice on a section of interstate highway near my home that usually had very little traffic. The drill was to weave the bike back and forth in between the lane divider stripes. When I got really good at it, I could weave through them at about 50 mph.
That would be impressive since they are 40ft apart each.
Thank you very much for this video. Cheers from Montreal, Canada
Major cuteness! What a great addition to the MC Rider crew!
Major looks like a great addition to your team!
More great training thanks Kevin and welcome aboard Major!
Ps Nice bike too, which model?
Subscribed for Major!
That was a major Major improvement!
Thank you
Counter steering is counter intuitive: you point the front wheel in the direction you don't want to go. The opposite of what I thought I learned about riding a bicycle. Real mind bender to realize I've been doing it on my motorcycles for years because it works - because physics - not because I knew about it. You did a better intro explainer without confusing everyone. Thanks Kev.
HighCoup333 . You eventually countersteer on the bicycle too as you went faster as a kid. You just didn't think about it, but the physics is the same.
On a bicycle you can use your weight to force a lean as you're learning until you understand. On a 700 lb bike your weight is not able to initiate the lean.
What most instructors happen to miss in the discussion is how you push the countersteer (slightly and briefly) to JUST initiate the lean, the bike and body then lean into the curve, then the bike wheels actually turn into the curve at the direction you are going. Watch the video on that slow heavy bike.
At the end of the curve you overseer (aka countersteer the other way) which completes the right hand turn for instance and that starts sending you straight. If you hold it an extra second then you have countersteered for the next left curve by oversteering to the right for just a second.
Do it, just don't think about it after you get it.
Thank you for sharing Kevin, have a blessed day man!
What a great channel!
Thank you!
That is an adorable puppy! Congratulations on the partner. I would be lost without my dog.
I am very aware of counter-steering although I wasn't consciously aware that I was doing it decades ago. But here's the ironic thing about this video: You clearly weren't using counter-steering when navigating through the cones in this video. Why do I say this? Because when you counter steer to the right by pushing on the right grip, the front wheel actually turns slightly to the left. But you were very clearly turning the handlebars to the left when you turned to the left and turning them to the right when you turned to the right. That's perfectly clear by just watching the video carefully. Watch which way the forks are turning. I think the reason for this is that you weren't going fast enough for counter-steering. As you know, at slower speeds, you turn the front wheel in the direction you want to turn and that's what you did here. I've found that counter-steering really comes into play and speeds higher than the 10 mph or so that you mentioned. From my experience, it's more like 15-18 mph. At speeds below that (at least for me on my bike - a Triumph Rocket III Touring), I turn the handlebars in the direction I want to go. In other words, I don't use counter-steering and you clearing weren't counter-steering in this video. If anyone doesn't believe that, just watch the video again. When he turns left, the he turns the handlebars to the left. When he turns right, he turns the handlebars to the right. That's not counter-steering. Just watch closely which way he turns the handlebars. The demonstration should have been done at higher speeds when counter-steering would come into play. The subject of the video but I have to give this one a thumbs down because the demonstration didn't demonstrate what the video was about.
Bob Miller
You do realise that counter steering actually does point the lead wheel into the direction of the turn.... Right? The counter steer is only an initial, momentary steering in the opposite direction and then the bike realigns the front wheel so it points into the turn even though you are still pushing on the inside bar. Please tell me you get this.
Good video but some one has to show new riders about.counter steering.
N handle bar steering.
You n ride like a pro
N fast Eddie. Motojustu
Are great but below 10 miles an hr . Handle bar is important. Head n eyes n rear brake is important for new riders thks for your.
Info. You do an amazing job
Welcome, Major!! Just found this awesome channel, btw. Keep up the good work!
Major might be your boss someday and thanks!
Nice. I found my new puppy riding, her name is Vita. She was very small, and decided to ride along with me.
Wellcome Major
Greatings from Finland!
That little guy - I think he is planning to eat all your motorcycle gears :)
Well, goitta say, "Major" will be stealing the thunder and I'll be enjoying it.
Hey Kevin , would u do some of your demonstrations on that triumph bonneville, been riding new and used triumphs since 1968. Love um !
Just want to clarify. It looks like counter steering only happens at the very beginning of the turn? Once the bike leans far enough, it looks like you then push your handlebars in the direction of the turn.
Yup, it does look like that, but you’re wrong. It’s the bikes own steering geometry that turns that front wheel into the bend. The rider just maintains e forward pressure on the original bar. Hope that came across ok.
What does major look like now?
Major is awesome :)
I saw a big honda bike with a rear rack and a dog. The dog was riding in some kind of crate wired to the rack.
Kevin, Thanks for another great video. We just had another 16" of snow here in Northern New York. Can;t wait to get riding. I noticed in the video that it appeared that you had what appeared to be strobe lights on your saddle bags. Was this OEM or did you install the strobe, or is it an allusion?
Just an allusion from the frame rate of the video. There is a strobe when breaking but not all the time.
That is one awesome dog!! And thanks for this video!!
Hi Kevin, I have been riding a long time, I like your videos and the dog! There are guys doing videos regarding counter steering that are incorrect. Have you seen these? Not a lot but one is too many if a beginner rides into an oncoming car. Regards.
You know what they say about animals in show business, he's gonna steal the show, which is just okay! Good boy!
Handle Bars should be called lean levers
So if i counter-steer
or push the handlebars to initiate the lean angle and im already leaning,Should i keep on counters tearing on the curve or turn regularly?
The only thing that really turns the bike IS the counter-steer. That IS turning regularly, actually. You can turn a little bit without actively counter-steering, but you are actually providing the inputs without really noticing. Has you desire to steer more quickly or more lean angle, you have to be deliberate with the handlebar inputs.
Jeff Blankenship thank you so much!!
@@marianoesparza9385 Once you try it, you will feel how it works.
Good looking dog.
Ah he’s so cute. Welcome Major.
A quick search “dog driving motorcycle” will totally remove your doubt of what he can accomplish.
I get a Page Not Found on the "cones" link. Does it work for anyone else?
Thanks Garth, a mistake on my end. It is fixed now, thank you for letting me know. :)
Looks like dude has one eye
Hmm.. to be honest,i dont think i counter steer? i really dont know? i may do it natually but i doubt it. I just look and think where i wanna go and the cycle goes there,maybe this is something i need to practice.
Are you pushin the handle bars down or forwards
is it just me,,i dont understand all the hoopla explanations on how to counter steer,,its basic intuitiveness,,since you cant turn the wheel you are forced to counter steer,,you cant lean the bike without counter steering can you ?,, ,,it is a natural instinct,,like steering into a corner on a skid ,,all these comments how a light just came on are disturbing,,i dont know maybe my light is out.
Im with Vernon,,,no one needs to tell you to apply more pressure to the brake to slow down faster,,these things are basic ,,,I dont know maybe its just me
Major is a awesome looking dog congratulations. If he's anything like my dog he will inspect your tires with a Fresh coat of urine LOL.
I think you need to re-shoot this video. It LOOKS like you are pushing right to turn left, eg 'steering'; unfortunately, it creates a confusing image. I think more speed, or a lighter bike would improve the visual. Great work.
Haha. You are gonna get NO work done with a dog that cute around...
LOL...or one who poops this much.
Maybe get him to help make "cones" for your exercises. Then you REALLY wouldn't wanna make a mistake...
Have you ever thought about using a drone to film some footage from above ? I think it would add a new element to some of your (awesome) videos . Some aerial views in this video would of been useful for sure .
Great idea.
When I learned to ride, not once was counter steering ever mentioned. I found out about it through my own research after I passed my test. It's extremely important to understand and execute, and makes riding and steering so smooth and enjoyable. Thanks for this and all your videos, and a big hello to Major!
Kevin, your channel is going to the dogs ! Enjoy watching your vids. Hello Major.
Counter steering always work. Saying that there is another way to turn a bike, is why so many people die on the road. Why do you keep teaching this lie?
Counter steering always work, at any speed or circumstances… And the only way to make a bike turn. - Keith Code… Founder of Super bike School, and the man behind the book and the video; Twist of the Wrist 1 and 2. So you don't have to take my word for it.
This has been a known fact for about 40-50 years. So what are you doing?
You need to specify HOW you push on the handlebars. Pushing down on the right handlebar makes the bike turn to the right. However pushing horizontally aka away from you on right handlebar will make the bike want to turn left and immediately begin to fall to the right. Beginners must know the difference between these two pushing options to prevent wrecking.
I can see how this would sound like one of your buddies trying to make you drop your bike, for a laugh. Lol
Thank you for this series. I've been an avid rider for over 50 years and I still learn regularly. I don't think it is possible for a human to ever completely master a motorcycle. I wonder if that may have something to do with why we love them so much?
You have reaffirmed my subscription to your channel. Push right to go right, push left to go left. Good job. Every so often I hear people describing counter steer and telling new or prospective riders to "turn the opposite way you want to go" which is so counter intuitive to learning when somone first starts out riding.
Like most people who've been riding for a while I don't think about technique when steering. But in the video, correct me if I'm wrong-the bars are turning in the intended direction of travel no? Am I missing something?
The faster you go the less you turn in the direction of travel to maintain the lean angle. So if he were traveling faster, in order to achieve a lean angle sufficient to navigate the cones he would turn less in the direction of travel. The point to remember is at speed you push the steering away on the side of the direction you wish to travel to achieve lean angle in the direction you wish to travel.
@@charkatedoug so is it just a way to initiate the angle then maintain the angle with less movement of the bars...?
@@charkatedoug you turn your handle bars doing 25+ your going down. If you've ever ridden a bicycle you've counter steered same principle. If you've ever taken a corner on your motorcycle at speed you were counter steering don't think too hard on it. As you ride more and more you will gain confidence and be fine
Love that 🐶
If he is waiting for you at home - You must ride safer and safer ❤ Today I came to know your motivation for safety 😀👍
Really appreciate your videos! I consider myself a new rider. I started riding dirt bikes at 7 years old and graduated to street bikes at 15. There may have been a moped or 2 in there lol. At 26 years old I sold my bikes because I needed cash to buy a house and start my family. Now I'm 40 and have been riding for almost 2 years. I think I'm a decent rider, but my confidence is pretty low. You'd be amazed at how much your videos have helped my strategy. My confidence still needs work. Hopefully someday I'll be able to afford to support what you do. I'd love to be a part of it! I'm saving up for a hat or "strategy" shirt. Keep it up! And Thank You!!
Counter steering is an interesting experience. When someone asks me about riding 2 wheels I tell them I push in the opposite direction where I want the bike to go. They can't believe it so I tell them "get a motorcycle" and experience what seems like magic!!!
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Hi Aaron. I don't want to muddy the waters but I thought counter-steering during normal riding is a simple dynamic of balance on two wheels. It can also be deliberately used to initiate or 'sharpen' a turn. Oversteer stands the bike back up. Cheers.
Let's get some goggles for Major!
Great training video as always. I just received an invitation to instructor training. In the late-spring to summer, I will be taking some intensive courses to become an instructor/rider coach. I have you to thank to inspire me to give back to correctly instruct new riders and guide returning riders, and the good Lord for opening up doors for a great opportunity.
Awesome! Where is instructor training for you?
Your cone link says 'currently unavailable', you may want to change the link
Welcome, Major! Li'l feller's got "puppy breath"! Thanks for the vids, Kevin. As for counter steering, I was doing fine 'til folks put a name to it...and a "technique"...it turned out to be something I'd been doing naturally for years w/o ever calling it anything. Ah, live and learn. Ride safe, y'all...
Thanks for this video. Can’t wait till our weather here in Montreal, CANADA warms up so I can practice this.
Ps, I think Major is in love. Good luck with his training.
Same here in South West Ontario... two weeks ago I rode for two days, now have another 20 cm of snow on the ground...ugh
Kevin, THANK-YOU for explaining the "trigger" to make the counter-steering take place at 10-15 mph+. I understood it perfectly)pre 2:30 minute mark)! Oh happy day!🏍️😁👍 Doug
Why so many massive unused carparks in USA! I just finished watching Breaking Bad also and noticed this. Thanks for the tips. Looking forward to perfecting this on my new R7 next minth
Welcome Major he is sooo cute.. what type of dog he is? Love the colour too. Also thank you for the tips on counter steering skills and many other tips. Sanding big hugs to Major :-)
I think that this video will only serve to confuse the issue of when counter steering is used... and it's not in a parking lot using cones at 10 miles an hour. You use counter steering to turn more "efficiently" and to "avoid" an object "faster" than simply leaning the bike. Actually, to be more precise, all turns at speed are done by counter steering. But, most people don't even realize they are actually counter steering when they believe they are "just" leaning. But, don't take my word for it. Google "counter steering" and educate yourself!
Too good. Hey Major and Kevin :) . I think there are riding techniques (like active counter-steering) that I used subconsciously but not consciously. Started riding in late 70s or so, and wish I had learned to use and practise this technique from the beginning. Cheers.
Major is a nice addition. I have a couple of pretty much good for nothing pups and they bring me great joy just doing nothing but being my dogs. There is nothing quite like the love you get from an old dog friend.
Great new partner you have! My little guy is absolutely glued to my side any time I'm working in the garage. Its great to have the companionship. Sometimes I swear he knows exactly what I'm doing.
That parking lot looks familiar....looks like the Cabelas by me off 35 and 170 in Fort Worth.
Is there a reason why friends can't watch this in Australia? Puppy is so cute. How about making a video how puppies and bigger ruffies can come to rides?
Hi, just want to say thanks for doing these videos, I'm a complete beginner to motorbikes so I'm finding all your lessons really useful. thank you!
Love the Dog ! Best partner ever .
That wrecked your hard man image Kevin :)) Nice one bro.
you are awesome I'm singed up for MSF classes because of your recommendation
Just bought my first bike and stumbled upon your channel because ive been watching tons of videos on how to be safe and not die! Love the videos and keep up the good work Kevin.
Love the new co worker!!
A good rider will have this down as second nature. If you have to think about it first in any situation, you're risking losing your life. Knowing how to use the front brake is the other issue, but that's for another video.
Major! He is now over 3 years old! My friend has the most handsome German Shepherd that is the best and his name is Major, too! Need to see an updated video of Major!
I am confused - you talk about countersteering but what you have showed is normal steering - you push right side of bar and turn left and lean left
I've rode all my life. 65 yrs old. The way I remember how to counter steer is you push the side of the tire you want to turn to to the front. That side of the tire will make the arc.
I cannot imagine any one riding a motorcycle needing to have this explained to them. If they need this tutorial, they should not ride! Other than low speed turns, there is no other way to steer.
I have yet to ride, courses start in a month but i love watching your clips and mostly like you’re ability to dissect and explain the why, when, how in your techniques. Thank ✌🏻 you
Great to see the addition of a quality co worker, thanks for your videos Kevin.
WHY does a motorcycle turn by leaning?
Love your videos.
Noth'n better than a dog in the garage!!!
Seems like a super nice guy love his puppy🐶❤️👍🇨🇦
Welcome aboard Major! Thanks for a great lesson Kevin.
What brand of hi visibility jacket are you wearing in this video?
Omg so freaking cute! Love your videos thank you so much!
I can't Wait to see Major in future videos! He's adorable
Is that you in the MC rider logo?
The NO.8 Rider
Well to me it looks like you are steering - not counter steering....sorry.
Awww he’s so cute!!!
I think what confuses me and probably many others is that when you turn it still looks like you're pulling in on the side youre Turning to. Idk if it's just the lean that makes it look that way or what. I heard counter steering is intuitive and that people do it without realizing it even. Maybe I'm thinking about it too much. It's the only thing that worries me about a bike. I've ridden before but never one the road really. Mainly dirt bikes in fields
It may look like it, but it’s not happening. You push the right grip to turn right, push the left grip to turn left. During the turn, the rider keeps forward pressure on the inside bar. What you are seeing is the front wheel steer into the bend. But this happens due to the bikes own steering geometry NOT the riders input. Hope this helps.
I think the motorcycle test that I’ll be taking in NC has you weave through cones, but at low speed. Less than the 10 to 15 mph you’re going when counter steering. How do I weave through the cones at low speed for that part of the test? Thanks.
It always works. You cant turn a bike with out counter-steering. That is the only way the bike turns. Or it will go strait.
$36 for a 12 pack of cones now! inflation sucks!