LOKI: Why OB Was ERASED from the TVA Memory Explained
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2023
- Loki Season 2 introduces Ouroboros aka OB (Ke Huy Quan)... was he erased from memory because he’s TOO POWERFUL? Go to buyraycon.com/newrockstars and use code BIRTHDAY to get 20 to 40% off sitewide during Raycon’s Anniversary Sale! Brought to you by Raycon.
Who, or what, exactly is Ouroboros or OB, the head of the Repairs and Advancement department of the TVA? As the author of the TVA Handbook, it’s certainly odd that no one in the TVA remembers who he is. Did He Who Remains erase OB out of respect… or fear?
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I'd argue it's very likely,that the only thing Kang has to do with the TVA,is that he conquered it.OB created it,or was at least very much a part of its creation,but Kang conquered,and hijacked it for his own purposes.
W OB
Hi @NewRockstars I just have a question or clarification. If time slipping affects and plants memory that affects the present, I think it was not shown or given consideration when Loki encountered past Mobius just like when Loki met past OB to make the needed device. (Mobius should have also remembered the time that Loki suddenly showed up and he does not know him yet)
He wasn't erased please check your facts next time.
@@JamJimRu Who wasn't erased? Please state facts lol
I absolutely love the idea that OB does such a good job and is so isolated, that He Who Remains just leaves him alone.
Your evil
I think the reason HWR's never wiped OB's memory is because his mind contains knowledge that only he can understand so he must remember it to fulfill his purpose. Wiping OB's memory would create an unsolvable problem because HWR's can't re-teach knowledge that only OB can understand.
That makes sense@@psykonarg9174
@@aidenking3557 *sigh*
Emphasize on "the idea" not the fact he's so isolated
@@psykonarg9174wait, this just makes a lot of a sense 😮👍
O.B. is the one who actually keeps the TVA together......therefore could be the most important person in this series
think of what a process it would be to mind wipe him then reteach him everything he needs to know to maintain the TVA. Better to just make everyone keep forgetting him after he completes whatever job he's needed for
His character does seem like the kind of person to know a lot but not mention it to anybody because it doesn’t seem important to him.
I agree, but there’s ZERO chance he’s the true He Who Remains
I actually think OB's position was usurped by the one that remains, he's the one that repairs everything and the bootstrap paradox starts with his past receiving info from the future that will work on the future
Aldo, he's the one that knows how the TVA works to the point that he creates the handybook
@@owenhalloran3111well time doesn’t work the same way in the tva, it could be all implanted memories
What if Ouroboros is a failsafe, only to be used when the timelines branch out of control. I see O.B. being a person created by HWR just to stabilize the temporal loom when it goes haywire. I don’t see HWR making mistakes like forgetting to wipe his mind.
I think he never changes, he has no variant, I think he is just him, OB could have been one of the people that told HWR how moving around time works without killing himself, I think HWR met OB once he got to the Sub Atomic part of existence, I think OB has always been there tbh, I mean before the TVA.
or he's just an Android
this comment aged well lmaooo
we caught you time traveler
Ke Huy Quan really steals every scene he's in without even trying. I'm so glad Feige reached out to him & we have the awesome OB as a result! I can't even begin to imagine all the knowledge he has! I guess I need to read the TVA manual to get some idea!
You’re so right. He is absolutely perfect for the role
Yeah he was awesome
He perfectly bounces off every other actor enhancing their script and you can tell the other actors love the scenes they are in with him.
PERFECT casting. I just wish there was a way for him and President Ross to interact.
@@seanj3667 or Thanos...
The memory wipes are related to the pie for sure. Ob is always working he doesn’t even sleep so he doesn’t eat the pie
That's IT !!!!!!
So Loki and Mobius will get their memories wiped because they ate the pie in episode 2?
Yes
@@wshelton24 I did wonder why EVERY station was just pie. You've cracked it, Mobius even eats pie outside of the TVA he's so conditioned.
That could also be why the sign says that you only get one token a week and you can’t trade for extra
I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but has anyone recognized the grandfather paradox associated with OB getting his nickname?
OB tells Loki his nickname, Loki goes back in time and asks if he can call him OB. So OB gave himself his nickname?
I think we’re going to have numerous time paradoxes. Brush up on them.
Bootstrap Paradox
@@ladend99 I definitely need to brush up on my paradoxes as well then, but the point still stands, yeah?
Is Loki pruning himself at the elevator a grandfather paradox? What would that one be called?
@@ladend99part of the ship, part of the crew
@@TerakRaines8940 it would be a paradox if Ouroboros got that nickname from time slipping Loki but there's no indication of that. He introduces himself to present-time Loki as Ouroboros and it's Mobius who calls him O.B.
We don't see the moment Mobius gives him the nickname, but presumably he does because the bootstrap paradox breaks the TVA time slipping TVA rules that scene sets up.
I really need (and want) Marvel to release this TVA Handbook as they did with Scott Lang's biography, would be SO COOL! Can you imagine having the full book?!
On the one hand, absolutely. On the other hand, it's way too thin to actually cover all the relevant information, so I fear it'd be underwhelming. (Hence why OB calls it an index, I suppose, although it clearly also has some actual info.)
I just tried to see if one was ever released lol
Maybe in another timeline...@@poeticsoldier
The Handbook could be the official fan guide to the Loki series. Someone could Wiki it for now.
Me too! That would be Awesome!!!
I don't think OB is the only one that hasn't had their mind wiped. In the War Room, there are three statues at the tips of triangle table. One looks like OB, another looks like Renslayer, and the third looks like a hunter like the General.
The three of them are the the key or balance that keeps the TVA operational
Maybe they represent tthe 3 parts of the tva, the tech, the justice, and the power
I didn’t see any statue that looked like OB
@@dantepierre1948 Renslayer was behind the judge, a hunter was behind the General (possibly herself) and OB was behind B-15
Sorry, I think you are WAY off on the character OB. You are forgetting what Kang said in season one, " There is nothing that happens that I don't know about. I paved the way". Kang Keeps OB around because he uses him to keep everything running. You would not need to wipe OB's mind because he is cut off from the rest of the TVA. He has no interaction of any people of the TVA, so if they had their mind wipe, that would not effect him. OB said that 'no one' visits him. Morbius made an error in visiting him the first time, and therefore would have been the first person to ever visit him down there.
He's not cut off though, anyone could go down that lift. I find it hard to believe that not one person was curious enough to travel down there in hundreds of years.
@@nicholaslee5473 seems like in the TVA, everyone has their job and they are doing it, they're not thinking about other things like where this button takes me. OB told them that Mobius wandered in by mistake. Not sure if it was a mistake, maybe HWR planned that too. You know, sometimes people are doing things automatically, not thinking about it much and keep overlooking other things around them. And if those people's minds were wiped so many times... who knows what effect it had on their sense of curiosity and humanity.
@@somebodylovingA If they functioned like mindless drones then it'd be believable. But we've seen that every character has their own personality, so it's hard to believe. I mean, people actually know to get down there and use the tubes to drop down things that need fixing, so they know that there's a department down there. The whole TVA is like an office without the office culture of mingling and meddling in other people's affairs 😂
plus 400 years there been alive well longer then that is suspicious
Maybe OB executed the memory wipes (without knowing what they did, just one more "repair order") and thus he wasn't affected himself.
This sounds interesting at first. But doesn't explain all the changes in the statues and the time keepers propaganda. The mindwipes requires more work that just pushing a button.
@@yotuel9064 That's true, but OB has access to all of the most fundamental equipment in the TVA. Also, he may not stray too far from his isolated post, and may not know anything or care about what would to him be changes in decor.
OB could be one of the 4 people who made the TVA. Like we saw in the S1E6 at the Citadel, there was 4 statues with one of them broken. That could be He Who Remains, Ravonna Renslayer and OB, with the 4th one we are yet to see. Maybe the 4th one could actually be Loki/Sylvie👀
4th could be Dox or a future loki/sylvie as you say.
@@Natta44 Yeah. There is also a chance that it was Kang the conqueror who started the TVA. But he was not really successful and that's when the Kangs we saw at the end of Quantumania banished him to the quantum realm. Then the council of Kangs took over the TVA. But that's when He Who Remains came in with Alioth and defeated all the kang variants and made the sacred timeline.
Perhaps, the reason OB remembers Mobius is because he is the only human being he (OB) had any interaction with, in the last 400 years.
That was never questioned. The question was why was his memory never wiped?
@@mip4422 How do we know that the past OB, Loki met wasn't from post memory wipe era.?
@@mip4422why is everyone assuming his memory wasent wiped? He never said anything about knowing he who remains mobius just doesn't remember interacting with OB once in 4 hundred years, I don't think that's enough to definitively say his memory wasent wiped
@@nugget3687 Because he remembers Mobius, but Mobius does not remember him. Mobius' memory got wiped, but OB still remembers him, so his memory was not wiped. It's not just not remembering the conversation, but the person and location at all. Which would probably have made some kind of impression.
@@mip4422because he knows everything and interacted with no one he literally states this he wrote the handbook so he’s very integral in its creation. Hence his isolation from everyone he needs to be there to run diagnostics but no one else can because only he has the knowledge to do so.
I think that it ties back into the Renslayer tape... Kang will never admit that he had help building the TVA but he knew that he couldn't risk wiping the mind of Oroborous because he build the foundations.
It would be cool if Ouroboros is the Beyonder.
I was thinking the SAME THING 😲😳
Anyone notice how OB's initials are also two symbols that mean infinite? A circle and a figure 8.
Well I would say almost 8
oroborous means snake eating its tail so its infinite
If you are running a System restore on your computer, you still need a program to run the system restore and remember the points at which the system was stable and can be restored. So wouldn't you require an entity like Ouroboros to be there at all times with his memory intact, so that he can take the measures needed to keep the TVA safe and in check? Honestly, I don't think He Who Remains has forgotten about O.B.'s existence. Just like keeping a void world and bringing all entities that have been pruned at the end of time signifies deleting files temporarily and storing them in the recycle bin, Ouroboros signifies a system restore module.
Seeing Loki get pruned, I immediately thought it was future Loki doing it using the pruning stick that he dropped on the floor in the control room.
Ke Huy Quan is an amazing actor, and I can't wait to see him in more things
I love you
In the first episode of Loki, (22:35) O.B. mentions that "The work orders really pile up if I take a break, so i just keep at it. Forever. No sleep."
If he never sleeps, maybe it's some kind of superpower or mutation.
X-men 2 (X2) features a mutant Jones who also claims to never sleep. Maybe O.B. is a variant of Jones. And maybe He Who Remains needed such an employee to maintain order at TVA. (Just a thought).
Quick note* I found it interesting how OB does diagnostics for an Ai Ms.minutes when in our world Ai does diagnostics for us. I think it shows he has superior knowledge over Ms. Minutes to how everything works.
Well.. in our world AI experts also diagnose AI systems to make sure it is results are adequate
@@alexharter1813correct, any AI is subject to the flaws and biases if its programmers both intentional and unintentional. What we call AI today is just a complex algorithm with lots of data, it's not sapient nor sentient.
But he doesn’t he said he does diagnostic in the room when mrs minutes doesn’t
OB said he does diagnostics of the Loom not of Ms Minutes.
Variant of OB sat next to Dr Strange in Multiverse of Madness before that other doctor sat next to Stephen
I hope we get a fun "Good Place" Montage that has Renslayer mind wiping Mobius over and over with him finding OB being one of them.
It's interesting to think ob wouldn't be a villain cause of the actor, since that'd be a great twist. Imagine him being a Kang variant in disguise
Just adding a little note here "what if " in pass sacred timeline OB was an assistant to Nataniel Richard's he who remains , and the Pass OB wanted dominance having the mutliversal wars took place, then after the dust settled he who remain came across a different versions of OB ( weak , poor ,humble and polite) and he took him a the head of repairs
In hindsight,
OB wrote the tva handbook,
He based his work off of Victor Timely,
Victor Timely Variant learned what he knew from OB’s handbook;
Ergo, snake eating his own tail
The way I read the scene about his nickname was that it was a paradox. Loki hears that Mobius calls Ouroboros O.B. in the present. Loki slips to the past and asks, "Can I call you O.B.?" and he says, "Hey, I like that!" As if he's never been called that before. That past O.B. then sometime later meets Mobius and says to call him O.B., which then leads to the way the conversation went at the beginning.
O.B. shows no emotion of fear of destruction like anyone else in the TVA, and he takes no sides. He only stood on the side of Loki and Mobius because they came to him for help.
In the latest episode we learn that HWR learned everything he knows from Oroboros himself, but then he establishes Oroboros as the TVA "creator" is you will, which in turn makes him write the guidebook that makes HWR who he is, and so on and so forth. It's in itself a circle. A serpent eating its own tail. I honestly love the introduction of this character because it makes it apparent that Kang, while super smart, still needed someone like Oroboros to make the TVA what it is.
@newrockstars There was so much to unpack after a a good rewatch!
- It looks like R&A exists outside of the rest of the TVA. When they Mobius takes the elevator down, he presses a button below any numbered floor that looks different from all the other buttons.
- This part of the TVA is designed similar to the “older” TVA Loki time slipped into at the end of Season 1
- OB’s shop has a ton of interesting pieces in it: 1) the sprite machine moved walls….it’s against the opposite wall when Mobius walks in; 2) when Loki meets “past” OB, he is doing repairs on the front table and has no tickets, could the tickets represent everything OB has to fix during the rese
It would be an awesome twist if OB being a chronicom being the reason for that robot detective from S1E1 curious know Enoch from Aos never know who might drop by past ,present ,and future.
If we were to say OB is Jörmungandr from Norse Mythology, then he would be Loki's son. Given this, I wonder if Loki/Sylvie created OB.
He is such a phenomenal actor
That's great OB appears at the exact midpoint of the episode.. fantastic catch!
Just a thought. What if that line Mobius says at the 2 min mark about not being sure if he has ever been down there was him having his memory altered in past in real time just as we seen happening with OB
Really good point expect one thing. Mobius doesn't remember meeting OB before because it hasn't happened to Mobius yet. I believe Mobius is going to be able to travel to the past of the TVA somehow this season..
It has happened to mobius before, why do you think he said it’s been 400 years. He got his brain wiped.
@@dantepierre1948pretty sure he was just making something up. Like the entire convo was him trying to pretend he remembered OB
What is "before" in the TVA?
@@kweeksw but OB said it’s been 400 years, not mobius. You get what I’m saying right?
I’m not gonna lie when I first watched the episode I thought that the statues of He Who Remains wasn’t past TVA but actually a Kang variant once they destroyed the sacred timeline, but the way you explained it makes so much sense 😅
Every time I hear the term time slipping,, the song fly like an eagle from the Steve Miller Band gets stuck in my head
My suspicion was that since OB survived the Kang wars he/it was either a nexus or absolute point for either HWR or more likely all variants of Kang, so he can't change OB in any way without removing the event that creates HWR/Kangs. Especially if he's always existed in the space that is the TVA he could be how Kang gains/understands his multiversal abilities in every multiverse?
Excited for more O.B.
Always be confident and win. You deserved it 😍❤💞🌹 Have a nice day
Haven’t thought about that but makes perfect sense 😄👍🏻
in a way, it was Loki calling him OB for the first time due to his timeslipping, and he looked surprised and react like nobody call him that way in the past. He probably would have say to Mobius "call me OB" cause he treat him like a friend even tho MOBY was there for a seconds 400y ago lol like he use to be
02:12 I find it amazing that for Mobius to press the button to the floor that OB is on, he had to press the button with his shoe....!! With all the lift that I have ever been on, I have never used my shoe to press the floor button in a lift!!
Oh I definitely have… just out of funsies.
I loves the first episode of Season 2! Your break downs are amazing and really on point!!!
I was thinking that Mobius knew where he was going and who he was going to see. However, on the way, someone was altering the past like loki did with OB. Which is why Mobius was forgetting awkwardly in real time.
I suspect that O.B. and Mobius worked together closely in the pre-memory wipe/past era of the TVA and that may have led to the/been a part of the events that led to the memory wipe. The memory wipe occuring more than 400 years ago.
The brief visit of Mobius to O.B. 400 years ago was after the memory wipe, with Mobius leaving immediately because he was confused/ had made his way down there using muscle memory.
When they pass the threshold moment in Season 1 you can hear what sounds like the starting up of a generator/engine in the background. Which makes. a lot of sense as OB's job as maintenance man is cranking up the loom.
OB is so isolated he probably doesn’t even know who runs the TVA so he doesn’t need his memory wiped
Can we just appreciate that catch
man I love Ke Huy Quan's vocal delivery, "OB... I LIKE that!"
I love coming back and watching these after finishing the series.🤣
There is a different explanation on why OB remembers Mobius but not the other way around and that is if it is a future Mobius that travels to the past to meet OB in an earlier time. Mind bender there LOL.
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Keeping with the somewhat eluded to theme of the matrix seen in the first episode, i feel like OB might be a sort of "keymaker" type character. The person in the narrative that can create a way to access the source, or in marvel reference, to Kang or He who remains.
I could see OB being the one to prune Loki… One, because doing so is not necessarily evil (he might see some justification, beyond fixing Loki's time slipping), and two, because Ke Huy Quan may just be tired of playing the adorable character and is completely fine not being typecast, considering all his real life professional struggles.
O.B. IS the sacred timeline in its truest form, personified.
Enjoyed watching Loki Season 2 Episode 1
Every large organization needs at least one OB, someone who knows how things work and just keeps everything running. Usually they have no real corporate visibility or platform or flashy status symbols, they are just busy keeping things ticking over.
Mobius was talking to himself just like Loki was talk to O.B in the past to let him know where to go. Mobius only told himself certain things so it would not cause a lot of attention to himself in the timeline that’s how Loki got purged
after watching The Irrational, and seeing how the human mind can think something happened and yet it never did, then watching loki is quite fun to me
He is like that one guy in M.I.B. nobody seem to know his name or what he did but he knew everything.
I was thinking that there was a Mobius in the past during that time like there was a Loki in the past planting these memories into OBs mind
Good video
I’m pretty the TVA guide book is a play on those little orange bibles that you find in hotel drawers. Lol. Same orange cover too.
He still sounds like Data from The Goonies movie. My favorite movie from my childhood. I had that movie on vhs.
it's the pie. OB doesnt eat the pie. so he keeps his memories
I love Quan’s squeaky voice.
I keep finding it odd that OB knew how much time passed since he last saw Möbius EXACTLY. He knew it was 400 years and then he mentioned doing the diagnostics every few hundred years. I think you are onto something about OB def being a different level compared to the other TVA employees. Could very well be the real He Who Remains. Literally the only person with memory intact left.
I didn't even realize the Ke Huy Quan is the little kid from Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom. Wow!
I’m want to know where OB was going to take Mobius before he was cut off and said he left right away.
I think we will definitely see the scene where mobius comes to OB and leaves immediately.
Actually there could be a different meaning of that "snake eating its' own tail" meaning:
O.B. is service engineer, that writes a guidebook how to solve / troubleshoot many problems TVA employees themselves.
So he kills his own purpose/job - because with that guidebook O.B. is mostly not required anymore.
@09:05 He's always been there. He always will be there. OB is a robot.
Ah. I know the pain of it.. the pain of being so good at your job no one notices you do it. and just assume you do it. so you're by yourself just doing your job.
"O.B. is a kind of unkillable, incorruptible, forever person, an angel, you might say."
Sounds like Ke Huy Quan
When OB says he. I still think it linked to Loki giving him that nickname prior. Time displacement is a major factor
What if OB is a watcher in a different form? The watchers seem to only be mentioned in the What If series. Since we've yet to see one in the MCU, there are opportunities there to explore.
arent the watchers in gotg pt 2?
My guess is that he was friends with the original he who remains and was brought along just like the judge. This would also be why he doesn’t know about the others’ memories being wiped because his maybe never was but he lives in isolation
Maybe when loki goes back in time and gives ob his name he changes history like when loki gets ob to build the machine and it just appears. Maybe that exact time is when mobius was meeting ob for the first time
OB is overworked and does not get to leave his office so he never eats the pie
I think that He Who Remains didn't wipe OB's memory because Victor Timely (Theorized to be He Who Remains) could relate with the author OB of the TVA handbook and he even mentioned it to Renslayer.
Yup you were right.
I’m so happy i literally just got an ouroboros snake tattood on my leg
In S02E01 when they introduce OB, he says “welcome to R&A”, pronounced RNA (the same way you do @eavoss). RNA is the first self replicating molecule bridging inorganic compounds to living molecules! Thought you might think that was cool. (Miller/Urey experiment).
Could OB be the only one without a memory wipe be because he is the only "human" in the TVA who is not a variant ? Like, he was always there, outside any timeline. Then he would not really need to be "higher power" than Kang, just that Kang can't interfere with him as he is not from any timeline.
So a human lives that long?
@Berelis_ I was thinking the same thing!
@@armandocamacho611 Kang did. So why not?
I have a feeling that OB is the Beyonder
OB did seem like the guardian from What if ...
a kind of neutral overlooking entity
I was thinking something like Kang had to make a deal with the Living Tribunal to have someone on the inside 🤔
Cool video
I always love a scene where a character turns to another character with fear or awe and says, "What are you?"
I would love to know how many takes they needed for Loki to catch that book. It was kind of a long single shot to have to do over and over if he kept flubbing it.
As a kid he had adventures with an archaeologist 😂
MR. JONES
Has that little red lightning bolt in the bottom right corner always been there?😅
I'm willing to bet OB doesn't eat those pies...
Gives key Maker in the matrix
I think Ob is actually he who remains. And I think Renslayer was the first version of miss minutes, made by kang however I feel that they established a love that distracted kang causing him to mind wipe her and make a second miss minutes. I feel he still wanted Renslayer at a high position in running everything witch would explain creating the TVA and using the Time keepers to hide his identity and refusing to give the second miss minutes a body
Victor Timely said he has a great admiration for OB for writing the TVA manual. So I don't believe he wanted to erase someone he genuinely admires
Memory got wipes, but your body still remembers what to do
I kinda like that concept
"As long as there is an OB, there will be a Time Variance Authority."
Well, you just signed his death warrant.
I’d think to think in a future episode Loki and mobius tell OB about kang and he just answers with “Oh yeah, everyone knows kang he built the TVA”
Probably said elsewhere too, but the device lowering OB in his work room is literally a "Deus Ex Machina" in the theatre history sense
Makes sense. O.B. actually has more power in the TVA than the timekeepers, I wouldn't be surprised if He Who Remains commissioned O.B. to construct the models of the timekeepers and then out of respect, allowed him to keep his memory.