The Truth About Autism and BPD: What You Need to Know
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If you or someone you know is struggling with autism or BPD, this video is for you. We'll discuss the symptoms of both conditions and help you to understand what you should be looking for. We hope that this video will help you to better understand your loved one and give you the support you need to help them through their condition.
In this video, we're going to discuss the similarities and differences between borderline personality disorder (BPD) and autism. We'll discuss the symptoms and factors that are shared by both conditions, and we'll offer tips on how to best manage both conditions.
Cutting the confusion:
Breakdown both disorders to empower you with knowledge about these two disorders.
Is there overlap and comorbidity?
What can you do about it?
Daniel J. Fox, Ph.D., is a licensed psychologist in Texas, international speaker, and a multi-award winning author. He has been specializing in the treatment and assessment of individuals with personality disorders for over 15 years in the state and federal prison system, universities, and in private practice. His specialty areas include personality disorders, ethics, burnout prevention, and emotional intelligence.
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If you're struggling with autism or BPD, then this video is for you. I'll discuss the symptoms of both conditions, as well as the signs and treatments available. I want to help you understand autism and BPD better so you can get the treatment you need. So please stay with me until the end of this video!
I disagree that autistics do not desire emotional closeness. That’s old thinking.
Agreed, Across the spectrum they crave intimacy in different capacities.
In my experience, they want it in the beginning when the person is a "special interest". Perhaps they always want emotional closeness but with time there is often an inability to be emotionally available. Even if they want to be; there's emotional detachment. Hence: Cassandra Syndrome
@Lynn :: I concur!!
absolutely agree. i’m autistic and it’s kind of silly to just brush us all off liek that.
In my experience my son who is autistic would like a lot more closeness and friends but he finds it so exhausting he tends to avoid it. That doesn't mean he doesn't want it.
Hi Dr. Fox, longtime fan of your videos on BPD, but I feel like these descriptions of ASD were very textbook, focusing on the way autism *looks* (vs. feels), and more specifically, how it's often only presented by males. I think this results in a misunderstanding between how much overlap there really can be between ASD and BPD, especially for femme-presenting folks. Whether being socialized to "mask" or other pressures/traumas one experiences while growing up, it makes sense that ASD traits either take a backseat to (or are pushed to their extremes and present as) BPD.
My experience with autism is a world of daydreams and being misunderstood. It's not that I dislike being around people, but NTs (even as children) are often untrustworthy and unpredictable. And because I don't fully have a grasp on how I'll handle things in fight, flight or freeze moments, I don't feel safe in a lot of the settings they prefer. So to that point, I really enjoy being alone, where I can safely focus on my interests and become buried in my thoughts.
Additionally, as a child I was shamed by family and classmates about my external stimming - things I used to manage any array of feelings subconsciously - so by the time I reached middle school where social and academic pressures are drastically increased, I no longer had the physical outlets that worked for me. Instead, I caved inwards into a spiraling depression that hasn't let up for nearly 25 years.
I truly believe that BPD can be a byproduct of ASD when an individual's needs (isolation, stimming, ability to hyperfixate, et al) are not met for prolonged periods of time. Personally I think part of why my BPD feels so immovable is because it's both from the traditional compounded traumas of childhood and young adulthood, as well as the aforementioned ASD needs taking a backseat to societal pressures and the weird and unnecessary ways in which we force people to compartmentalize and survive under capitalism.
Again, really love your videos, but felt a little let down by this one and wanted to offer some solace to anyone in the comments that may be feeling even more lost that they aren't alone and that I think we still have a lot of work to do to understand the autistic mind under extreme and prolonged distress.
Thanks for sharing this experience.
I totally agree with this point and I’m concerned that the man in this video doesn’t seem to think that people can have both BPD and ASD at the same time
Your comment, and memories of childhood super resonate with me; thanks for sharing your experience.
Such a good comment!!!
This!
I think one major distinction is that people with BPD are often very perceptive of other people's emotions, but the conclusions we draw are distorted by trauma and persistent invalidation. We become hyper-attuned to changes in other people's moods as a way to cope with unstable environments as children. For instance, I might notice someone's face change to a look of annoyance for a split second and conclude that they hate me and I am a terrible person even if the interaction has been otherwise positive. It's not that I am failing to notice things or seeing things that just aren't there. They are just distorted. The person probably did feel some degree of annoyance, but I am blowing it up in my head and giving it a lot more weight than it warrants.
And we tend to make it personal. We think we are the problem. All the time. When really... People are people and won't always be happy go lucky
Our subconscious gives it significant weight, based on past abandonment trauma. Even slight annoyance can register as red alert to the subconscious, scanning for any sign of abandonment.
Survival of babies and children is dependent on not being abandoned...and therefore when we have some significant abandonment history, it's as if a "I'm at risk of not surviving" alarm goes off, deep underneath. It often makes little sense to what is currently happening, but it's there.
I heard a saying once "whatever is hysterical is historical"....and while I don't love the word hysterical (as it has a history of dismissing women being emotional) the overall point is good.
Big reactions, feelings, to wounds that have a historical origin. Of course, it seems like an overreaction if the whole equation isn't appreciated.
I totally agree with your observation about how we can become hyper-attuned to changes in the mood of others when we are children living in situations of abuse or exposure to violence or other trauma. I personally experience one of two extremes wherein I'm either hyper-tuned to the emotions of others, and recognize cues that tell me how to respond, whether it be sharing in a friend's delight at getting a new car (which doesn't necessarily delight me but I am truly happy for my friend) or to empathize with them over the death of a loved one, which I was only able to do after I had personally experienced the loss of a few close loved ones, after which my empathy is real, yet I struggle with expressing it. The other extreme involves a delayed comprehension on my part, so that I may realize 5 minutes after a conversation with a friend in which they confided, for example, that their grandmother had passed away, that I hadn't acknowledged the pain that they feel from the loss of their loved one, therefore I find myself sending them a short message saying "I apologize for being distracted by my own thoughts earlier, I didn't mean to appear apathetic, I'm really sorry to hear about your grandmother, I know how badly it hurts and you have my sincere condolences."
That's actually a huge improvement compared to my coping skills in my early 20s, when my response to someone who just told me their father died would have been something like "bummer". It's never been that I didn't care, it's always been the difficulty recognizing when and how to express my feelings of empathy or understanding toward the suffering of another person. It's a lot of effort sometimes, but I refuse to stop trying to improve. I'm just trying to learn how to be a decent human being.
You have some very good self awareness!
And that someone should probably put up with it since you can't do otherwise.
Hi Dr Fox. I must respectfully disagree with many of the things you said about ASD in this video. Autistic individuals do wish to have emotional cloaseness and intimacy, although this can be expressed in unusual ways. There are other points I believe are not fairly covered, such as the comorbidity. I do not believe enough research has been carried out to state that these two disorders are so divergent. Many autistic individuals end up developing BPD as a result of early childhood and/or adolescent trauma, and it would be worth looking into this further. In addition, emotional dysregulation and alexythimia are also common in ASD. In any event, thank you for the video and you have a blessed day. 🙏
Yes exactly this. I fully agree as someone who's diagnosed with both ASD and BPD.
Came to make sure someone said this. There's a lot of outdated information on ASD here.
I'm ASD, definitely can get close to people but it did take me time to learn the skills and also learn that I need to find others like myself. We relate better to people who are neurodiverse. Neurotypicals also do not understand us (normally) and this problem has been called the "Double Empathy Problem". Is being studied.
Some people on the asd spectrum want relationships, but making connections is hard. ASD spectrum is huge and if you met one person with autism then you met one person with autism.
I have been diagnosed with BPD and my psychiatrist thinks it’s quite possible I also have ASD. I believe I have both and the BPD came from being traumatized because of my inability to understand certain social cues and ended up pushing people away. I didn’t understand why they abandoned me and that I had these social deficits, so it felt like people just abandoned me left and right for no explainable reason. This led me to develop BPD. Also, I do have a lot of emotional insight unlike my brother who is diagnosed with ASD. I think I have more emotional insight because Psychology and human behavior is my special interest. I wanted to understand people and how to appear “normal” before I was ever diagnosed with BPD.
If you are ND then you wont be BPD, good ADHD/Autism/RSD xx
BPD is just the best to punch someone in the face
I felt this comment deeply, I'm glad not alone in this feeling
this really explained me soooo well, i relate to this so much!
My roommate and I both have been diagnosed with both ASD and BPD. For me, the trauma I received growing up due to the social difficulties created by ASD caused me to develop BPD. Additionally, my mother has BPD, and my father has ASD.
I can relate to this. Sounds very similar to my story
you wont be BPD, google RSD/ADHD/Autism. This is the most common misdiagnosis cause western medicine is about ten years behind europe with this stuff. If you are Neurodiverse you are actually LESS likely than average to have a cluster b disorder. BPD is a lazy diagnosis slapped on any kind of emotional dysregulation.
I also have both while my mom has BPD and my dad has ASD. Now I don't feel so alone.
@@bibilee4247 please look up RSD, if you are not deliberately lying manipulating and splitting people, then you are not BPD, you have been given a lazy diagnosis because of emotional dysregulation. Google ADHD ASD and RSD, that is what you will have if you are neurodiverse, RSD. I was misdiagnosed BPD for two decades, so I really do know about this.
@@lizericsonn9367 I think you're overestimating how much self awareness someone with a cluster b disorder has regarding their manipulative behavior. Yes, they are trying to get a certain result, but I think "deliberate" indicates more control than is actually present. It's like a drowning person clinging onto another swimmer. The desperation creates a high level of delusion. It's why most people with NPD don't think anything is wrong with them.
as someone with both autism and BPD, i can definitely at least attest to having autism as a child making my trauma worse to process
Me too. 💜 I have DID(dissociative identity disorder) but its VERY similar to BPD and i obviously didn't develop autism, i was born with it like everyone else who has autism.
@@Sensei_Sean i can also agree DID and BPD are very similar sometimes! i have OSDD or at least ive been presenting symptoms of it for a while with alters, and sometimes its extremely hard to tell the difference from a BPD switch and an alter cofronting or fronting - it feels like youre being possessed either way
Very much so.
Bet you are not BPD, Google RSD/ADHD/Autism. We (neurodiverse) get this bullshit diagnosis of BPD from quacks like this guy, when what it actually is is RSD which ALL of ND folk have. Again, if you are autistic you are NOT BPD you have a LOWER chance than most to be BPD, you will be RSD.
@@Dies_Irae_Art Google ADHD/RSD and see if that fits better. This is old medicine, we know now that us Neurodiverse also have something called RSD. This labeling us all as BPD, a cluster b abusive manipulative personality disorder, is a load of shit they stopped doing in europe and the west has not caught up.
As some other have already pointed out, I found this description of autism levels incomplete and only focussed on outward appearance. So far I found Dr. Fox' videos really informative, but this left me feeling invalidated and honestly, a little sad.
In previous years therapists made it clear they suspected me of having BPD, based on self-harming tendencies, reported mood swings and occasionally unstable relationships. I studied the disorder so much and found a lot I could relate to - but it always felt like something was missing. I never split on people. I didn't act out, not really. It wasn't until last year (at 36) that I learned about how autism can represent beyond the classic view, and honestly, that has changed my life. When you function just well enough to slip through diagnostic cracks, it doesn't mean you don't struggle with sensory issues, with social cues, with executive function.
I learned early on that asking for more clarity on social things was met with incomprehension or ridicule. I learned how to just about fit in, and try my best to figure out how people work and how to react appropriately - with a very limited skill set. So since asking wasn't an option in my mind, I had to make a heap of assumptions. When those turned out to be wrong (which happened a lot), relationships went pear shaped very quickly. There's your unstable relationships, your communication breakdowns. There's the self-hatred for always getting things wrong, for being "stupid", inept, all that jazz. How about the assumption that your loved one, favourite person, whatever, is angry with you/will leave you? I have some alexithymia going on and literally have to ask sometimes how people around me are feeling. I'll never forget the iconic evening I was having a video chat with my partner and they seemed down to me, so I asked if they were sad. The reply? "I am literally smiling right now, can't you tell?" No. I f'ing couldn't. But yeah, that sort of thing tends to upset people, and can mimic classic BPD situations.
No doubt people can have both ASD and BPD. No doubt BPD can develop as a result of ASD-related trauma. But sometimes I feel there is too much over-diagnosis going on (ironically, since I also see that a lot of under-diagnosing happens, but... different issue). Since I got assessed for ASD and have a better understanding of how my brain works, all the things that made me seem like a person with BPD have all but disappeared. Once I understood that no amount of "just try harder" will make me pick up on people's emotions automatically, I ask for clarification when needed. There have been no communication issues since, not to a large extent. Once I removed the pressure to "just be better, just be like everyone else", my self harm urges are negligible.
Oh yeah, the BPD breakdowns? When I am very emotional (and yes, people with ASD have a lot of emotions...), I literally cannot speak. Therapist suggested that there's some selective mutism going on. When you're emotional and trying to get your point across and the words won't come and you keep trying to push through, it's frustrating and upsetting and can look a lot like BPD, including crying fits, anger outbursts and all. I really wish someone would've done earlier what my friend suggested last year in that situation (and which prompted me to seek an ASD assessment, actually) - ask me to write down what I wanted to say. And just like that, I could communicate just fine.
This is getting way too long, but I felt this video was uncharacteristically lacking in insight, and maybe the inside perspective can be helpful for others who have similar experiences and are still wondering why the diagnosed shoe doesn't fit.
Thank you for your comment. I wish you well.
I’ve always thought of autism/adhd fitting into the bpd picture in the “chronic invalidation” piece that is required to develop bpd. Not understanding social interactions and not being able to connect with others can really mess with your resilience, your sense of self, and your sense of the security of your relationships.
The piece of this puzzle for me personally turned out to be adhd, which has a lot more features in common with bpd than I’d realized, including emotional dysregulation, interpersonal difficulties and rejection sensitivity, so all that checks out. But I understand why this is coming up more in the community now.
I think a lot of us with bpd who didn’t experience abuse or neglect but just felt generally invalidated because of being wired differently than others growing up are looking for answers. I certainly rationalized my social deficits as potentially coming from asd for a lot of years, and I’m still not certain there’s none of that going on.
But I feel strongly that the chronic invalidation I experienced as a prerequisite to developing bpd was a result of the way I was treated because I wasn’t able to function like everybody else. I couldn’t seem to connect with people or communicate properly, and that chronic rejection eventually swallowed up any stability or resilience I’d started with, until I no longer knew who I was.
Thanks for being a part of this conversation. I’m happy to see these discussions continuing to reach a wider audience.
Will Covert Narcissism fall into this category to? Tnx 🌸
great comment. also people with ADHD experience emotional permanence issues which is extremely prevalent in BPD as well.
From my own experience as mildly autistic and mildly Add, I can testify that I also am “mildly BPD” esp in regard to the unstable identity piece. Definitely imo related to being constantly berated even though I was really trying, and being constantly invalidated.
I also have meltdowns when it gets too much which seem crazy. I get triggered and can’t handle it anymore (especially when I have been pushed and pushed for some time and all of a sudden it’s too much)
@@someguy34231 In my experience if you want to be settled about whether you have bpd or not it’s best to seek out a dbt therapist. They’ll be qualified to diagnose you and be operating out of expertise and experience rather than bias and ignorance like a lot of the mental health field when it comes to bpd. Good luck on your journey, mate.
@@CrimsonVioletMoon I assumed as much, yeah. Just wanted to look for an ADHD and BPD perspective on having both, because the only resource I've ever found on ADHD & RSD vs BPD also immediately stated that ADHD 'goes away' and lost all credibility pretty quickly. Thank you & have a good day 👍
It took me a longtime to get most of my diagnoses. And I always had alot of different issues. I've ben researching psychiatry my whole life to try to figure out what it is. At 35 I just got diagnosed with BPD. I've known since my late teens that I might have it. I love this UA-cam channel, I'm so here for this.
I was diagnosed with asd at 6 y/o and rediagnosed with it and simultaneously diagnosed with BPD, ADHD depression anxiety and most addictive disorders when I was a sophomore in college. Knowing you suck socially and isolating yourself to your beloved hobbies can also backfire as you find yourself abusing substances while engaging in those hobbies and not coping with the emptiness effectively ultimately catching yourself burning down every relationship you worked so hard to develop
Thank you for your comment and I wish you well.
if you are ADHD please look up ADHD/RSD. You are probably not bpd.
As a person with BPD, I struggle really hard emotionally with my son who has ASD. Growing up, as a teen, I had been diagnosed with BPD, but was never explained what it was nor was treated for it. Recently, I had made the effort in finding out what it is and I am very much amazed how this disorder has effected my whole life. When I was at my peak (in my emotionally sabotaging phase) if I didn't have anything to ground me and I was off making impulsively destructive decisions to fill my void. However, I found this grounding in my son who made me realize and focus on what needed to be done. Mind you that it wasn't always perfect but I did do my best to be responsible and take thoughtful actions due to him. He also prevented me from killing myself, because it forced the idea that I couldn't just abandon him out of my own selfishness to escape pain and reality. When he was a toddler, I had noticed his development was very off. The fact that he didn't actually speak until 6-7 (partial - full sentence), had difficulty with his motor skills (gross and fine), was heavily routine based and emotionally challenged. The hardest for myself was to understand him emotionally and what he needed and was trying to convey. As he grew through the years and entered school, it was apparent to everyone that he needed more help. He required an IEP and was evaluated multiple times for ASD (different situations and schools). He had got loads of therapy at a young age, which helped him improve his ability to function socially. We shared therapeutic methods in ways to recognize challenging situations and self sooth upon being overstimulated. Now that he's 14 and facing new social challenges at school along with the changes of his aging body, it has gotten very difficult to sustain good emotional connection with him. However, since I have started looking into my BPD and new ways of coping, we are going to try dialectical behavior therapy (DBT) for us both and see how that works. It has been a roller coaster of emotions for years; finding good calming valleys and then be met with difficult terrains in a blink of an eye. However, even through all the painfully challenging times, I honestly believe I wouldn't have it any other way. I love my kiddo so much and he has taught me a great deal about myself. Confronting me with new perspectives and ways of seeing and improving myself, as we both continue on this road of self growth.
Dr Fox, contrary to what much of the literature claims, people with ASD do often have desire for emotional closeness. It's the misunderstanding of autistic people that makes so many of us so closed and withdrawn, appearing to clinicians to have "no desire for emotional closeness". When really it's much more complicated. Ever since Aspergers and ASD have been combined into one "spectrum" in the clinical discussion, there has been no update to the staggering level of neurodiversity - and thereby social preferences - within the autistic population.
I love what you are doing for the people, most people can't afford therapy.. Many people are going to watch your video, please don't spread outdated stereotypes about autistic people. My personal opinion is that you should try to see what autistic people are sharing about their own experiences, like in vlogs or blog posts. Please do NOT go with anything "Autism Speaks", they are a poorly disguised hate group. At their core, is a misunderstanding of what autism is and how it becomes inseparable from someone's worldview and identity.
Thank you for your comments and I wish you all the best
YES. This!!!
I am interested in what you said about wilfully choosing self isolation in BPD... I had a very typical BPD pattern of relationships from age 18-25. I am 28 now and my life is different. I did the therapy, I moved away, trained in a profession I love, and now have the financial and social stability you mentioned regarding 'remission'. I do, however, have very little desire for intimate relationships whether that is romantic/sexual or platonic. I don't put the effort in. I feel very conflicted about this.
I would really love a video exploring this more and any solutions for learning to build healthy relationships that feel authentic. I struggle with authenticity - I suppose behaving how I actually feel like doing never turned out too well. But that leaves me feeling unfulfilled by my interactions with others, so I am not that interested in pursuing them further.
I feel pretty lost to be honest.
do u have complex bpd or bpd. bpd with trauma and bpd paired with other disorders etc. Dbt therapy alone or trauma focused therapy for bpd example transference focused psychotherapy and mentalisation based therapy for bpd.
@@Luke-Emmanuel I have BPD and had DBT
BPD does not just become evident in early adulthood. The symptoms are there since early childhood. But in order to avoid a false diagnosis, especially in the teen years, where emotional ups and downs are normal due to hormonal factors and brain development, BPD gets DIAGNOSED only in early adulthood. Big difference.
@w a n d e r e r Glad you are doing therapy. It takes a lot of courage and will-power. All the best for your future.
I have BPD. I've thought for years that I am probably on the spectrum, but don't see the point of getting diagnosed at 40 years old. My 14 year old son has nonverbal autism. This will be an interesting video. Notification on! 🙂
I can relate! I'm 35 and I have BPD and my autistic ex boyfriend said he thought that I have autism back in 2012. I've obsessed about it a lot since then. Both of my kids are autistic. My sister is autistic.
I can't afford to be tested. Insurance doesn't cover it for adults (Medicaid and Medicare) and they told me I would have to pay over $1000 for the test. I can't pay $1000 for a label.
I am also not speculating any longer because it just drives me into obsession and I give up on it...
I've always had social difficulties. When I was 16, my therapist taught me eye contact and to go into a store alone and pay for something because doing caused me too much anxiety.
I almost always have a partner do anything that involves being out in public, unless I have to go out. I do not like people. I like my animals and my kids. I can only make it in Walmart 30 minutes tops before I need to leave, and that's when there are minimal people. If I walk in and there are a lot of people, I am walking back out and waiting in the car.
The worst is when I did DBT in 2017. I felt like I could relate to people, but I am just too awkward and quiet... So it never went anywhere besides some friendly chatter. I freeze and I fail to contribute besides asking them questions about what topic they're talking about. To understand it better...
Same, I was diagnosed with BPD but the more I learn about ASD it is very clear that I might have it as well. I'm nearly 30 and some things make it really hard to do normal things like go to work, being social, and so on. I'm getting a neuropsychological evaluation this afternoon with an expert in adult autism, I hope she has answers for me :(
my parter got diagnosied at age 55 and it really has helped him just to have the diagnosis and not be questioning anymore weather he is autistic ...... for him even though it also had a struggle as he doesn't like to feel he's inadiqut mentlay lol in th end it gave him comfort in being able to assurt his needs without feeling like he should mask for the sake of being normal .... and the diagnosis gave me the ability to not connect all his issue to narssasisum lol so it could prevent others form connecting everything to your BPD
Same. Son was diagnosed with ASD. but I was only given the BPD diagnosis. I suspect the fact I am an adult, a women and have BPD will prevent me from bring fairly assessed for ASD. Sometimes I wish I could just get thr confirmation.
I can give you a reason, if your kid is neurodiverse you probably are as well which means YOU ARE NOT BPD. Google adhd/rsd
What about ASD vs CPTSD? How to tell the difference when undiagnosed autism in childhood can cause CPTSD in adulthood? Years ago, many were misdiagnosed with bipolar or BPD or both when it was actually autism or possibly CPTSD.
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It's quite common to have comorbid diagnoses. I am diagnosed bipolar disorder & PTSD & have been told by dozens of strangers online I am misdiagnosed bipolar (because of neurodiversity community narratives) despite being seen by several clinicians
Very informative, though I'd like to point out that the point of "ASD has little to no desire for emotional closeness is inaccurate", granted, this disagreement is from lived experience of friends on the Autistic spectrum and my own, not clinical study of any kind; I would put forward that the desire for emotional closeness can be present, even to the point of clingyness and/or high degrees of affection, *but* there's both a level of pickiness to it, as well as difficulty showing emotional connection in socially appropriate manners. Engaging in emotionally driven activities with a loved one can be things such as parrallel play, talking about special interests, engaging in diccussion where things are related through special interests, and more things I cannot remember this moment are all very affirming and emotionally engaging for the indivudual with ASD, which leads to growth of bond, trust, and in a few observed cases adoration towards the individuals who make the effort to include and communicate on the same wavelength as the individual with ASD.
And no, I'm not a pyschologist, psychology is one of my special interests, so while I lack a degree (and probably will continue to do to the requirements of obtaining one being things such as being around people for extended periods of time), I'm a bit obsessive about learning the field.
Yes! The relationships and closeness with ASD can sometimes look very different from Neurotypical relationships but the way of relating is equally valid and lovely. Please do peruse that degree, the world needs more neurodivergent clinicians.
Thank you Dr Fox. I would give anything not to have BPD and PTSD. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. I became symptomatic at 16 and officially diagnosed with BPD at 18. The worst of the symptoms eased by the age of 26. After giving birth at 34 I relapsed many times but had much better impulse control over my symptoms. I completed the Mother Infant DBT program which was life changing. I still get fluctuating emotions when triggered and am at the point in recovery where I can experience the feelings and not react. Life changing events this year at the hands of a perpetrator has landed me in a DV shelter. I have lost absolutely everything including my daughter. As bad as it is I haven’t self-harmed or made any attempts on my life. It’s the worst pain imaginable to lose my daughter. There are other women and children here who are much worse off. I do my best to help and support them. This situation has opened up an opportunity for me to change careers. I’ve spent most of my adult life working in medical as a sterilisation technician and theatre assistant. I’m now in the application process of a double bachelors degree in criminology and forensic psychology so that I can help people in DV and victims of crime. I really appreciate your content. It’s a very hard label to live with due to lack of understanding and being compared to others who are severely affected by the disorder. Keep up the good work ❤️🇦🇺
I think the reason for confusion is partly because people with either ASD or BPD tend to be high systemisers - although people with BPD are more likely to systemise people and relationships, but the thought process is similar - but also because it's quite common to get ASD-BPD friendships. I think this is because both people benefit from clear communication - people with ASD due to lack of intuition and hypomentalising, people with BPD due to extrapolation/catastrophising/wishful thinking and hypermentalising; a certain amount of black and white thinking and inflexibility, again for different reasons; and inappropriate socia interactions, in ASD due to misunderstanding but in BPD due to reactivation and essentially responding to someone as if they were someone from the past, or generally losing impulse control. It' s ike there are a lot of things that can be defined as a generalised impairment that are shared (e.g. impairment in relation to ambiguity and nuance; impairment in interpersonal effectiveness) but when you look at the details and particularly the aetiologies, differences become pretty clear and are sometimes even opposites. As someone with BPD, I find that with some autistic people what I can do for them is essentialy help them with alexithymia as it is not too hard for me to get a general sense of how they are likely feeling, and for me they are able to provide a voice of reason. I find that sometimes they need to be told explicitly how I am feeling and what I need, but to be honest I have to do that with everyone anyway, and neurotypicals are often more prone to denying that my pathological responses to things could actually be genuine
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Clear communication is a godsend for people with both disorders, exactly for the reasons you said.
I find this idea interesting, I indeed once read that BPD people are overmentalizing. Maybe like a low key paranoia ?
However, I don't know if we can oppose ASD and BPD so easily by saying ASD hypomentalize and BPD overmentalize.
Maybe "gifted" ASD can overmentalize much more than non-gifted (while still being unable to mentalize emotions because of alexithymia).
I also read that ASD (mainly girls with ASD) can show soe sort of low key paranoia as a logical reaction to too many struggles with relationships, sometimes abuse.
This would need extensive cross studies ith complicated graphics rating mentalization, alexithymia, etc etc
@@guillaumeb6698 yeah when it comes to mental and neurological disorders opposites are always a bit odd. So while BPD and ASD may be kind of opposites with respect to total amount of mentalising that doesn't mean they are total inversions of each other. Similarly, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are on a continuum such that they are both the same thing and opposites depending on what you are relating them to. And the same goes for schizophrenia with autism, and schizophrenia with epilepsy. And when you then add in that epilepsy and autism seem to have some kind of relationship as do epilepsy and bipolar disorder, and you're quickly going to run out of dimensions you can actually imagine in relation to each other without even having considered how MDD and ADHD might fit in...
Very important work you're doing. You are seriously helping so many people. Thank you for what you do.
When you're both.
Would you be able to do one on ADHD and BPD?
First off, I'd just like to say that your videos about BPD are amazingly insightful. Unfortunately, this "level system" of the Autism Spectrum is way off base. I realize that trying to simplify this for the video may be the intention but it's really misleading and incorrect. My son who is on the Autism Spectrum completely disagreed with numerous statements made about "Level One" Autism and he found it almost laughable at times. He is in fact extremely successful at school and at work at the age of 16 and inflexibility is not something he experiences at all. There is no strict routine and as part of a household that has experienced a power outage, he may have bitten his nails but he was completely cognizant as to why he couldn't access electronics and chose something else to do. As for people with an ASD having little desire for emotional closeness, this is incredibly inaccurate. Just because he may struggle to make close, intimate relationships beyond his family does in no way mean he doesn't want to! In fact, he's currently participating in therapy (his choice) to learn how to gain emotional closeness with friends. If anything, he desires emotional closeness more than anything and his struggles in this area have caused symptoms of depression. While it may be difficult to build tight/ strong bonds with others, he certainly has incredibly tight/ strong with his family that goes light years beyond playing video games. Furthermore, as a mental health professional who works with severely emotionally disturbed teens and who has (myself) been diagnosed with BPD, I see almost zero connection between the two. One thing the kids I work with all have in common is that they have all experienced some kind of trauma and the way my clients experience that trauma and their behavior is infinitely different when it comes to those on the spectrum and those who are developing BPD. This is more of a comment on the comments section versus your video because I see the two as polar opposites. Not that they can't coexist necessarily but ASD is a developmental disorder that presents in very early childhood and BPD is almost always not. My personal fear of abandonment and subsequent development of BPD is nothing like my son's feeling of loneliness in respect to interpersonal relationships. As for Alexithymia, people who have an ASD and people who have BPD may experience this but the reasons for it are completely different. So in the end, I would agree with you that these are two very different situations that most likely have nothing to do with each other. I do wish that your description of people who have an ASD was more accurate, understanding and empathetic. Just because someone has difficulty interacting socially does not mean that that isn't the very thing that they want most in the world. And finally, as someone who has struggled her entire life to manage her emotions and was completely in the dark as to why I actually lost important relationships, I don't think I would have made it without my son who is exactly the opposite: calm, cool, collected and always aware of my feelings and how to make me feel better.....
I agree with you about ASD. The description for Level one, while only being a brief summary (could never fully describe a person), lacked the breadth and depth of autistic individuals I know who are very much capable of reasoning as well as deep emotions and closeness. I think the difference is that Dr. Fox works closely with folks with PDs but may not work closely with autistic folks so the experience factor and thus the warmth and personalness is not present in the descriptions. Reminds me of descriptions I learned of in my Autism class in undergrad. Meet autistic folks is so very different from a clinical summary. I have BPD and my partner has ASD and he is also opposite but compliments me very well. Least triggered I've ever been lol. Thanks for replying with your experience. I personally love to learn about autism from autistic folks and their loved ones. 💕
Could you put some paragraphs in your comment please? I’m going to read it but it would be easier to read with spaces
Ok, I agree with you about how people with autism want emotional closeness, I know I do.
Goes to show there can be differences in opinion even amongst professionals.
And before I say it, would you like an observation about your dynamic with your son?
@@jaredmello What do you mean by "would you like an observation about the dynamic with your son"? Before you say what exactly?
@@jaredmello Sure thing. I'll be more conscious of this in the future. It kind of just poured out of me....sorry.
There’s definitely a link between the relationship of parents with BPD having children who have ASD. My daughter is diagnosed level 1
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I've gotten much better since finding your channel 6 Years ago. I couldn't identify emotions, or voice them. I would get triggered, split, rage, be depressed, multiple times a day.
In 4 years, I no longer self harm, act on impulsivity, my rage cycles have gone from 2-3 hours down to 45 minutes, I don't punch walls, I don't throw things anymore, I don't scream, or walk away.
& This, puts it to rest for me, I don't have autism. I always wondered, but never actually thought I did. I just always have that sense that something else is wrong. I need to fix it. I need to find what's wrong, and change it. I'm sure you've heard that, and I end up on autism only to fall back to, "no its definitely BPD". sometimes I think theres a drive to find something else... to blame it? Like there's days that I *wish* i could say i had autism. I can excuse things. I get a free pass in a way?.. like there's no fixing it like there is with bpd so there's no expectation to "Get better". "Sorry I'm being emotional, I'm autistic" is not something I've ever heard someone say, obviously, but if I'm being honest with myself it's like I imagine it would give me an out for my behavior, feelings, thoughts, patterns.
Autistic people certainly get emotional if our routines are disrupted
@@dustybryan91 that's true, since i wrote this comment my brother in law was diagnosed with ASD medically, and he's been saying things like, "it's my autism" or "well I'm autistic so" and I understand why, and where he's coming from. I just wished BPD was like that sometimes 😂 I was feeling sorry for myself at the time, that my mental disorder has to be fixed, and worked on, I can't just excuse it by saying, "well I had BPD so" or "I'm borderline that's why" lol which I shouldn't want to either, I realized that this 'other side of the fence' without the bpd symptoms is so freeing, and that's something people with autism will never have, there's no "getting better" for them, just learning to cope and that's actually really sad, so now I'm not so jealous that they can excuse their issues, much cognitive empathy gained 👍
i hope you realize how much youre helping people. lack of resources and professionals experienced in PDs is are very few and far between. always grateful for you
Hello Dr. Fox, great video, but I just wanted to highlight the fact that there are a lot of factors that you left out in this video for both ASD & BPD. I wanna go further into depth to better help you grab a better understanding of the both. ASD is quite literally a spectrum. You cannot categorize it into 3 levels without diving deeper into the small details which is what matters. Although there are levels, the levels are way more broader than you make them seem. Autism can come in many different forms, many different looks, and different types of behavioral patterns. A big factor that I felt like you missed out in this video; we have people with ASD who mask their whole lives without knowing about their disorder. There are people who mask extremely well during social events to better hide their Autistic traits & behaviors. We also have and what people best know it as is “high functioning”autistic, those people more than not, go their whole life, masking their autism and not even knowing that they have it, so they have completely different behavioral and emotional patterns than the people you described & the patterns you talked abt within those levels.
Also I wanted to ask: what would be the reason that you included the research study data if it wasn’t accurate according to you or if the research wasn’t done with proper knowledge behind it?
A lot of the information that you included in this presentation does contradict itself in many ways than not and I just wanted to put that out there because I don’t want people to be picking up on the wrong information. A lot of the information that you are leading on could go for some ASD people but not all over the Autism spectrum as well with Borderline personality disorder. You can look at BPD as a spectrum as well, it is so complex that lots of psychologists don’t even treat the disorder because of the lack of understanding the mental processes of their patients. BPD can come in many way. You said it is more of an emotional expressive & expansive, although that could be true AT TIMES, BPD is ultimately a disorder in which the person internalizes all of their emotions, feelings, anger, & fear, which they tend to feel all these emotions because of their thought process, the only time it gets expressive or expansive is once they sense the abandonment, during a “split”episode, when overstimulated(can also be said for those with ASD), under high stress situations (can also be said about ASD), etc. Even with those possibilities, BPD still can look different in everyone, there are people who rather dissociate to cope with their emotions, feelings & thoughts, others can cope by having an substance abuse disorder or they may have suicidal tendencies or attempts. These disorders are way more complex than you try to break them down into being. In reality there are lots of overlapping happening in both of these disorders and you didn’t cover majority of them. Lastly though I did want to say great job on acknowledging the basics of both of these disorders, we need more research done so we can get better help for those in need. Although you did grasp the basic principles of both disorders, I wouldn’t necessarily call it the “The Truth” behind both disorders because there are so many key factors missing in this.
Thank you for you work, keep digging & learning more about ASD & BPD.
thanks for adding your input here :)
Thank you for starting the conversation. It’s is very nuanced… i hope there can be more conversations about ASD; masking, shutdowns, internalised ableism, RSD, PDA, people pleasing or fawning, double empathy, special interest in psychology and people to learn NT behaviour. Clearly ASD can go undetected and it’s so important to figure this out so they can get supported and have their needs met.
Been waiting for this! Thank YOU Dr. Fox!!!
When you talked about how people do well socially for x amount of time… but then you hit a point where the idk ‘societal expectation’ of what should be given or done surprasses the amount of your ability of what you’re able to handle and give. That just makes me feel so validated the way you explained that. In school, I was a peach it went great, straight A’s, book worm, gifted in reading then once junior high/high school all of that it took a nose dive and plummeted. I feel worse now as an adult in this regard that I did even as a teenager trying to meet the social expectations “normal people” expect from me. It costs you a lot of friendships sadly people just don’t get how hard it is to converse normally.
Second, I think people in the comments are confused what you mean by autistic people don’t crave emotional closeness. It’s like with OCD, so do I badly wish sometimes I was “normal” and could not wash my hands 500 times, of course? But do I desire enough to step outside of my routine on a daily basis and give up my comfort in life to socialize? Wouldn’t touch it with a 15 foot pole if I don’t have to, lol. I am okay being alone, I thrive in it, it would be like trying to tell someone to touch a hot stove. “Why can you not just touch it? Just touch it!” It’s hot it’ll burn me, in this example neurotypicals can grasp an understanding of what it’s like of how it cannot be helped because your brain won’t let you. This cannot be helped to leave your routine when your brain is different so you literally can’t do it. Just like an ADHD person can’t help but fidget or forget things, different brains between a neurotypical vs neurodivergent, if it could be helped we wouldn’t have autism. I have ASD and f2ASPD it makes matters worse in the non socializing realm. I’d like to see a video on ASPD and Autism like this. :)
What I have observed is that those in the "neurodiversity" community are encouraging self-diagnosis of autism & ADHD, saying have no impairments, say that were "masking to pass as neurotypical" (to try excuse why no clinically significant features in childhood). Also insist that bipolar disorder & BPD/EUPD are misdiagnoses.
I recon adhd/autism is BPD in adults.
I relate too much to adhd/autism whilst having a BPD diagnosis.
I’m 38 diagnosed at 36.
It’s a shame for me. I feel getting diagnosed accurately early is critical. Just being aware of it would be huge.
Start treatment earlier, but most importantly you don’t have to deal with year and years and years of being abused and giving it.
Carrying all of that shame and guilt gets very heavy.
Dr. Fox thank you for posting these videos. You are so generous with your knowledge.
It doesn’t seem like you have a good grasp on the experience of those with ASD. I know many with ASD that have immense insight into their emotional experience, and many who highly desire closeness. It’s a misconception that those with asd don’t desire closeness. I’ve found that typically those with ASD isolate because it’s more exhausting and confusing to interact NOT that they don’t desire the interaction. Also, those with level 1 ASD are often not diagnosed until much later in life if they’re diagnosed at all.
this was long overdue. excited for this video!
I agree, and took me a while to sort through a lot of research, which I will discuss in the video, but also practical and useful perspective.
I gotta admit, this was a tough watch as a diagnosed autistic adult with BPD traits in a relationship with someone diagnosed with BPD with autistic traits. I have to echo others sentiment that the "levels" of autism are woefully inadequate and I don't feel like that was addressed adequately. The caveat of "everyone is different" doesn't really address the inadequacies of these boxes people seem to be insistent on putting autistic people in. The criteria of autistic people not seeking or desiring emotional connection is especially troubling and inaccurate.
I also think there are really important scenarios that were neither addressed nor have they been thoroughly explored enough in clinical studies. You have someone who is autistic who experiences trauma, either unrelated to autism or because of it, who then develops BPD or BPD traits. However, because of the differences and overlap based on this clinical data they don't quite fit any box or fit one more than the other and end up with a diagnosis of either BPD or autism or neither. There's also the factor of autistic masking and masking as a trauma response. Individuals with both disorders can do this quite well, which makes diagnosis tricky. Considering growing up autistic is almost inherently traumatic, especially if you haven't been diagnosed or have abusive parents or family, I have doubts that these types of scenarios aren't prevalent in some way.
I understand that you are a clinical psychologist and giving accurate and well researched information is important and I can respect that. It just seems as though maybe this video wasn't a good idea, considering the current lack of data/inadequacy of diagnostic criteria "boxes". I fear that people will watch this and not seek help for or diagnosis of one disorder or the other based on information that is not yet complete enough to draw conclusions from. I hope this is not seen as a hateful or overly negative comment. I love your channel and you seem a very decent and caring person who truly wants to help people. I just felt the need to share my perspective.
Hey Dr. fox sending love from Kentucky! Thanks for all you do for those living with bpd ❤
This was so incredibly thorough, detailed,& immensely helpful!
I'm so glad this video was helpful for you. I wish you well.
Hi Dr. Fox ! I absolutely love, love your content and it's always so much more helpful than I can put into words. Between your videos and my own professional help, I genuinely feel like my life has been changing for the better.
I feel like this will probably be buried, but another mental health professional who I enjoy watching has a channel called HealthyGamerGG, and he also recently did a video on BPD. I think if you two were to do a video together on personality disorders (BPD or otherwise) it would be really well received- and you may reach a wider audience. I would love to see your community grow and for more people who need these videos to find them.
Much love ❤
Thanks Dr. Fox! I was just curious on this!
I really enjoyed this video Dr Fox. You broke the two disorders down very well. I think you’re right, it’s easy for those of us who feel we don’t fit in socially to wonder about being on the ASD spectrum. Thank you for all the positive work you do here Dr Fox.
You are very welcome and thank you for your comment!
It's like we were on the same wavelength! I was pondering on this a lot recently
Such a great one, Dr Fox! Autism spectrum was speculated in my early childhood, then my teen years I was misdiagnosed with Bipolar Disorder, finally, in my late 40’s I was rightly diagnosed with BPD. I had a very traumatic childhood, all the way into my teens .. then later began creating my own traumatic experiences because of my BPD. I’m sooo thankful for you! You have helped me understand myself & most importantly love myself. ❤
I feel like this cleared a lot of questions up with a neurodivergent spouse and child. Thank you
Thanks for covering this Dr fox so informative 👍
Thank you! Found the video! I can’t wait to hear what you say!
As usual I thoroughly enjoyed the way you broke this down! One of my biggest struggles with my BPD diagnosis is that my mom is the one who has been in denial about it for the last 23 years. I joked with her once and said that if I was born in today's age that I would probably be put on the autism spectrum. This breakdown of the two disorders confirms, for me at least, that BPD was the right diagnosis. Now I'll share this Mom and see if she sees it lol. Thank you, Dr. Fox!!
I was just thinking about this a few days ago thank you Dr. Fox really appreciate your efforts!
Awesome vid Dr. Fox
Extremely healing voice , personality and tonality
thank you so much for this video! I have been waiting for this video for long! I was 1st diagnised with borderline but now I was diagnosed as autistic. it happened this year. I am 50. Everything you say is accurate except for the need for affection. Autistic people need affection too and we l for it. In different levels, or maybe, not as noticable as other people, but we do. thanks!
Hello, and thank you for your comment. I didn’t say necessarily that it was a need for affection that is lacking, but that it is a drive for affection, intends not to be present for those individuals that are long the autistic spectrum. Remember, like all disorders, everything is on a spectrum And it goes from absent to extreme. I wish you all the best.
This is so interesting. Definitely SEEING more of the difference between BPD, ADHD andASD AFTER THIS VIDEO. Been struggling with THE differences between the three this entire year after only researching ASD and ADHD.
I am definitely neurodivergent and relate with ADHD, ASPERGERS, BPD AND CTPSD alike. In addition i have ocd, ocpd, social anxiety and generalized anxiety. I relate with everything so much that i can count on finger tips the ones I don't relate to for example i don't relate to suicidality or fear of abandonment while i can relate with most things when it comes to BPD. In ASD I can relate to everything except few things like i can perceive what people are thinking. ADHD is me totally. I am super confused now and keep switching from learning about one of them to another. Psychiatry is hopeless in our part of the world. I rely on online resources.
I’m so sorry that the psychiatric help your looking for isn’t easily available or is of poor quality where you are. Have you thought of maybe seeking help from a qualified therapist online? Even if it’s just for a few sessions to get a diagnosis? I’m not in anyway trying to overstep, I just wanted to help if possible 🙂
@@blackfairyxdusyThank you for reaching out. I ll be grateful if you can suggest some reliable therapists that are available online, or provide links.
@@irfangullbhat Unfortunately I can’t I’m afraid 😞 even if I did have anything I could link UA-cam would remove my comment 🙄 I can offer some completely unprofessional and purely instinctive advice. Don’t assume many things that you have some symptoms of are your diagnosis. That way you will end up limiting yourself by becoming what the symptoms are in a self fulfilling prophecy. Until you can find that help, look into ways of treating each symptom you have individually. I wish you all the luck and love in the world ❤️
@@blackfairyxdusy that "self fulfilling thing" hit me hard....i had little social anxiety to begin with, it feels like i made it a mission to make it a fully blown social anxiety afterwards. You are so right...thank you
very informative video ... my oartner was just recenty diagnosied with ASD1 at 55 thats 4 years into our 6 year relationship what i like the most abut this video is you really do point out a reality i just had to come to terms with in radically accepting a relationship with him as being someone with BPD traits my high emotional states makes it hard for us to spend time together as his ASD1 gets really triggered even if im just happy and physically expressing my communication ..... for me his distance and one sided communication can sometimes trigger my petulent issues as i feel unheard or even worse his miss interpretation of my boundies or needs as being too emotional "piglet" and i used to think he was a narssasit but in reality he's restrictive and anytime we talk its more about his train of thought and has a hard time letting me go on a longer discussion of my view ... expecully if it isopposte to his thought train I've often thought it would have to be super unlikely for them to be together as how different they are just is seeing my and my partner interact one positive for me of our relationship is it deff has made me have to learn how to not miss read his intentions as narssaitic driven .....or that he doesn't care about my needs as really its just his one tracked mind taking president over anything lol and unlike people with BPD he seems to have restrictive but deff always things he likes to do..... gamig ..... making web pages ..... traveling and even though they are literally not always able to happen he still cant help but need them to feel like his life is ok i guess ... i have a hard time understanding as i have such emotional struggles i tend not know what i want to do so even every move we have done ahs been because he loves looking up and planing the trip and the structure of planing and shopping and web design etc gaming and gets bored when he doesn't have these things to keep him in a noval state in my opinion lol they to me are so diff even though there's new data staing we BPDer are divergent do to the structrul changes that men and women have with there brains with BPD don't remember if you made mention of this in other videos ......thas for this video I've needed more insight into this issue and it helps me realize its not a defect with me as much as my ASD1 partner likes to feel it is lol
This was such a fascinating video. I have suspected for years now that I have BPD (it's a whole thing but I once brought up trying to get a diagnosis with my GP and she basically told me not to bother), but my closest friend is going through a realisation that they probably have ASD, and it's made me notice a few neurodivergent features I've been expressing, which seem to overlap over ASD, ADHD, BPD, and PTSD/C-PTSD. Overall it all just has me so confused because I also can't remember much from my childhood and teenaged years, probably due to repressing memories because of trauma, so I have pretty much no idea what's going on in my brain and it's really been driving me insane. There's not really any point to me making this comment, I just needed to get my thoughts down somewhere, so shouting into the UA-cam void seems as good a place as any. Again, thanks for the video Dr. Fox; I really respect how much research you put into this video.
Unfortunately many doctors can be invalidating. It's bewildering how much a person has to advocate for themselves, and many people just do the research on their own and then present it when they can finally get to a trained professional that will take them seriously.
As someone diagnosed with ASD, the description of ASD in this video (Particularly Michael) is largely mischaracterized, making much of the comparisons between ASD and BPD a clinic on WTF? Most people with high functioning autism learn to mask their traits so well they go through much of their lives not knowing they're autistic. Most people from the outside would not believe we are autistic. All we want is to blend in and be accepted so we mask. We learn to adapt, we have strong feelings and impulses we strive to control and we are strongly empathetic despite diagnostic claims. We learn to identify more of the subtle nuances of social communication. We can learn emotional intelligence to compensate for other deficits. Generally, the mechanism in which many of us with ASD are forced to learn to mask come from social abuse and trauma which leads to a broad spectrum of mental health challenges. I grew up in an era when ASD was not understood and the abuse I received was deeply internalized. I can identify with 8 out of 9 BPD traits though the severity today is not as intense today as it once was. I would not go so far as to say ASD + CPTSD = BPD but for many of us with ASD, that formula may not be too far off the mark. Respectfully.
This is spot on! Thank you
You are so welcome
I displayed mild aspbergers symptoms in early childhood, but had developed full blown bpd by age 14. In early childhood i was very emotionally restricted and unable to comfortably express normal open feelings like other children. I did have occasional meltdowns and anger, but was very stoic overall until puberty. Upon adolescence i changed to the expressive and overly expansive emotional displays of bpd.
I have BPD and work with children on a daily basis. Several of them are on the autistic spectrum. It still amazes me how each one of them are so different and special in their own way.
Wow! Thank you so much. My daughter and I were just talking about this yesterday. Now I know for sure it's not ASD. Thank you!
such great videos
Very interesting. I am an older female who was diag late in life w/ ASD and thru YT, i believe i have quiet BPD traits as well. GAD, SAD, SAD, CPTSD, insomnia, etc.
Also interesting that pattern seeking, meltdowns, over stimulation, stimming, masking and empathy were not included in this study.
During my lifetime I have met a few ASD people (diag in childhood) more on the mid to severe side, who are more empathetic than we might imagine but they have a deficit on how to express it. I also dated a guy more in the first range; for the most part, empathy was very selective, but he had it ... for his son (whom for a i lack a better term, more severe ASD), for his cats, not for outsiders, yet not for me. He also lies when he feels threatened but is kind to restaurant staff.
Spectrums are indeed complex.
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Literally was wondering this association today-I work with kiddos with autism and I see a lot of similarities-thank you!!!
I think my fear of social engaging is really what made me think I had ASD, but now I see I don't, which I guess is a good thing because BPD and CPTSD are more than enough 😅
I have both, recognized PDD-NOS symptoms as a child and then BPD in my twenties. I have trouble recognizing emotions, and the emotions I do recognize, I distort. I dissociate when I get highly stressed. I have trouble with abandonment because of my struggles fitting in as a kid with peers and invalidation from those that did not understand or know me, no matter how much my family advocated for me. I sometimes avoid socialization because of the emotional pain, but also because it is exhausting trying to figure out how to fit in. People with Asperger's and level 1 autism can be aware of their differences and often are, even if they do not know how to make sense of it all. This won't cause them to avoid socialization, necessarily, but it can make socialization exhausting to the point of not wanting to socialize. People with Level 1 autism do not necessarily want emotional closeness with everyone, but that does not mean they do not want emotional bonding or cannot bond with SOMEONE in their own way. I do not express emotions in the traditional sense, but if given the chance, people with ASD express emotions in their own way. With BPD, my emotions tend to be very intense and fleeting and dysregulated. ASD allows me to suppress my emotions well, so when I do feel emotion, it is very uncomfortable, often delayed, and intensity that leads to pain, thanks to BPD. I tend to want to bond with certain people, ASD, and those people I tend to bond deeply to and attach and find security in, hence the BPD. It is very painful when my social inadequacies/peculiarities drive them away...ASD, hence fear of abandonment, BPD.
I can now at age 42 understand that my undiagnosed autism (diagnosed 38) caused so much trauma that I developed my bpd and it really took off I'm my late teens, early 20s. having a correct diagnosis and being able to understand the diagnosis is allowing me to Finally accept myself and not place blame onto myself and others. I still have problems with emotional regulation but I'm getting better. Unfortunately I have worked out that staying single and avoiding a lot of social environments is the lesser of 2 evils. Thank God for my animals, I have a non human army to protect me if I ever need too
I've been diagnosed with both. I'm technically considered "high functioning" with both, but internally it certainly doesn't always feel that way.
I'm fairly certain the term high functioning should just not be used at all. It puts stress on the individual to remain "high functioning" when that's rarely possible. And puts stress on those that don't cope as well, because the existence of HIGH functioning, implies the existence of low functioning, and whether that descriptor is accurate or not is still offensive to those of us TRYING to do well and just having a harder time. Not trying to insult you in any way, just think you its worth it to look at it from that side of things.
i call it "high masking". it feels like it fits better.
@@alfonzoy5 When I use the term "high functioning" I put it in quotations for a reason. I'm using it to describe the way in which I appear to others. It is easy for someone to see me on a surface level, and assume that everything is perfectly fine. I do think the term is misleading, and takes away from the very real struggle that comes with absolutely exhausting yourself to keep up with neurotypical people.
@@hecallsmeprincess06 I agree. It's funny because a past therapist said I couldn't be autistic because of how expressive I am with my voice and mannerisms. I've studied human behavior as a special interest forever, and as a woman we are socially trained from childhood, so yeah.. I learned to mask really well. But in my head it's still "I should smile now, nod your head, look away for a moment, etc." So while it may appear natural, I don't think neurotypical people have to think about their interactions to such a degree.
Hi Dr. Fox! Great video as always. I’m assuming this video was partially in response to the uptick of videos on tik tok and instagram, claiming a huge overlap in these two disorders. I’ve seen a lot of people talk about how many women with ASD are initially misdiagnosed with BPD, would you say this is accurate? I’m just really curious. Thank you! Have a great day!
Hi Dr Fox
I have Autistic Twins diagnosed at 2 1/2 yrs old.
They are now 18.
They have had intense therapy consistently over these yrs.
Speech, OT , PT and Social Skills.
I agree with your assessments and how you interpret the differences.
It’s not that Autistic individuals don’t have feelings or thoughts that relate to various situations.
The key is whether they can express them in a functional manner.
Early on in life, communication is Needs based vs interpersonal based due to lack of feeling emotions in the same way neurotypical kids do.
They have to learn how, when , and where to express feelings.
Although this may sound similar to many of the personality disorders,
It’s not driven by the “core” issues Dr Fox explains- but by the “surface structure”
Receptive language (what ASD individuals understand )may be much higher than what the individual with ASD can express in a verbal manner.
Their “intent” is not to rage or have meltdowns because of anger or frustration at 1 given person for example, because they cancelled a dinner date.
also, emotions are expressed but most have a restricted amount of emotions they can express or they express them awkwardly and use opposite feelings in a given situation-
Ex . Smiling when someone is hurt or crying in front of them. They know a “feeling” is involved, but are unable to “find” the one that fits the situation, or they don’t yet “have “ that feeling expression capability.
Outward feelings are an attempt to “show” that they need or want something, or feel something they may not be able to “express” verbally or with alternative communication devices.
ASD kiddos and adults aren’t trying to engage others EMOTIONALLY out of spite, deep feelings of emptiness, Abandonment fears, or even lack of self esteem .
The communication is for their own personal, and usually simple and basic needs- like running out of apple juice and not having the flexibility to drink orange juice instead.
Or , not being able to buy something at the video game store because they only have $5 and the game costs $50. They have a “5” with them, but confuse this for having enough money because it’s a “5.”
I hope some of my input helps and adds to understanding of ASD compares to BPD.
ASD can also improve over time with therapy.
Best wishes to all of you with BPD or ASD.
Keep hope and faith!
I really appreciate you doing this video very overwhelming though. ugh.. something I struggle with on a daily basis. Really relate to BPD and zeros to heroes.. relationship issues. I know it's not our fault tho. Doing the best we can. Wish I would have known this in my early days. I was just slapped with anxiety disorder and depression 😞
I think there is a general lack of understanding of the internal experience of people with ASD and the damage that masking can do. I started following "Autism from the Inside" and the speaker is really great at explaining the differences between high-functioning and low-functioning ASD and how society sees these more like levels of severity versus outward appearance of symptoms. The "invisible struggle" of ASD made me think of Dr. Fox's analogy of the Mason Jar. I can see how clinicians would be quick to point out the differences between ASD and BPD. For example, "restrictive emotional display" versus "expansive emotional display." Well, as someone with quiet BPD - I can say that I definitely have an emotionally restrictive display because I have been masking and internalizing my anger instead of having outbursts because outbursts get me into further trouble with the people I love. It is not safe to be emotionally expansive with them. I started doing this as a child to cope with parents who were emotionally neglectful. Is this ASD or a way to seek safety? I would need further assessment, personally, but the point is that there are a lot more similarities than are explored in this video.
And don't get me started on BPD beginning around the age of 18. Adolescents as young as 12 exhibit many of the traits of BPD and they cannot be diagnosed. It is around that age that we developmentally begin to seek more acceptance among our peers and start seeking romantic relationships - both BPD and ASD traits would become a lot more noticeable around this time.
was very interested to watch this as it was during an assessment for asd that i was instead diagnosed with bpd.....they wouldn't diagnose asd as apparently i communicate too well but this is something ive spent my whole life learning...and the reason i got to a point of managing it is..i had my son who is profoundly non verbal autistic.....i found my voice to be his voice....i dont deny i have bpd but i do wish i was never diagnosed with it as here in the uk its done me no favours...and every "professional" basically just deemed me a pain the back side too difficult to deal with....me and my son are so similar in so many of our "ways" but mine stemmed through trauma where as he was born with his ❤
I've been waiting for a video on this from you! Do you have one with ADD and BPD too?
The idea that people with BPD threaten suicide in order to keep or manipulate others has been convincingly disputed by Dr Linehan. That level of mental functioning and planning is simply not possible in the intense emotional state of a suicidal person with BPD. Thinking and feeling is simply too disorganised to do craft a wilful maleovent plan.
I absolutely have both. Autism can definitely give people PTSD… that can turn into BPD.
Thanks for not throwing us away. A lot of people would
I am autistic and adhd … it’s not that I don’t want to be close to people or not have friends. Social interactions and maintaining friendships is definitely hard for me but it doesn’t mean I don’t want to be close to others. I wish I could better explain this.
Having Autism sets people up for developing BPD. Autistic people more often grow up in invalidating and othering environments wherein they experience trauma. They develop poor coping skills that lead to the development of BPD traits. People on the spectrum have high levels of emotional dysregulation and can be quick to anger and aggression. BPD people tend to have a higher degree of autistic traits and score higher on measures of autism. Autistic adults, particularly women, tend to have more borderline traits than the general population
I appreciate your detailed explanation about how Autism can contribute to the development of BPD.
When you are constantly around people who are assholes, you start to become an asshole
I think you should try again with this topic and consider voices from both groups
I’ve been wondering about this
Those numbers for ASD in BPD are still higher than for the general population. Which, if correct, means that a person who has BPD is still more likely to have ASD than a person who doesn't. I get that those with BPD are more likely to self misdiagnose ASD which I assume is the point of this video. However, I don't see that giving the general advice 'you probably don't have ASD' on UA-cam is any more helpful to someone with BPD than it would be for a member of the general population. Worse, in some cases it may delay someone receiving diagnosis and therefore help as early as they could do, therefore potentially damaging the course of their life
Disagree completely. ASD and BPD are vastly different and I see no statistical connect to prove your statement.
“What is neurotypical?”
Dr. Fox, could you please do a video on what a NT is, how to tell, and what to do when approached by one in the wild.
Due to me being me, I tend to over-analyze everyone/everything I see. Lol
I think you’ve made a few mistakes in this. For example you don’t mention masking especially in autistic females which I believe is significant in that the symptoms may likely go unidentified as the coping strategies employed to go under the radar persist long after their they have outlived their usefulness. So the impairment in functioning still takes place because “strategies” or masks (being essentially the pretence of having met necessary developmental milestones when in fact they have only been met superficially or are being mimicked sufficiently accurately to obfuscate the underlying knowledge/ability deficit) failure still took place and they could no longer meet the demands of the environment, however the symptoms were not identified- hypothetically say coping strategies did not fail until age 6 or 7 when symptoms arose and were noticeable and pronounced except the response was very negative because with a seemingly sudden loss of ability at that age the connection simply wasn’t made, the girl therefore now develops new coping strategies employed to mask primarily the the symptoms. The impairment in functioning and introduction to mental health services do not see an autistic girl but the mask of whatever the girl thinks is required. For these girls, if there then takes place an escalation in symptoms or you could call it once again a strategy failure perhaps in adolescence or young adulthood and they are hospitalised, a culture exists whereby these young females who harm themselves are viewed through a lens of BPD. The girl is also essentially a mimic of those around her to fill that knowledge gap so will absorb the personality traits of those around her and if those people are those with BPDits a self fulfilling prophecy in a way. So you are wrong in saying there isn’t a crossover because the BPD females who do not seek out relationships because they feel it’s too painful, may be referring to whatever painful trauma occurred that instigated the hiding of dysfunction and suffering when the first strategy failure occurred, they also likely never really engaged with people and therefore lack not only the insight to second guess a diagnosis but also the language to discuss such intangible things, they very likely will use the language picked up from the only people they had any interactions with being that of a BPD. It may not be until in treatment for BPD that the girl has the ability to identify that they feel a mistake has been made and normally because the treatment is not helpful - teaching an autistic woman how to deal with abandonment issues when she is being honest when she states she does not care about relationships is not very beneficial for her hence why she may be seeking a “label” to gain access to more appropriate support. SCIDD from a different clinician is probably a good indicator as once labelled disagreement is considered part of the diagnosis. However at that stage the treatment although not really appropriate has probably been helpful enough to think together about her difficulties
I was called BPD by a lazy psychiatrist but I'm neurodivergent. Although I have a lot of trouble with social stuff I crave acceptance
Thank you for your comment.
From me, the CPTSD and attachment disorder was more difficult to differentiate from ASD than BPD. RAD very much looked like ASD, including delayed speech, flat affect, and inability to form relationships with peers. The BPD did not really manifest and go unfiltered until around 13 and began to subside until 22-25. My adult isolation was due to self worth, self loathing, feeling too broken and inability to live or be loved, fear of emotionally and mentally hurting others.
I wonder if the % of ASD with BPD (or BPD with ASD) may not be wrong/underestimated because the ASD that may become BPD would be those who cope with ASD through the strategy of denial (among the 4 coping strategies dientified by Attwood).
They're in denial and aybe imitation, so their ASD doesn't show, at least not in public.
Those who "cope" with a depression will go to a therapist, those who cope through "imagination" are kind of ok in their own world, those who imitate are maybe ok, but those who are in denial want to act as "normal" when theey're not.
It may also concern mostly ASD who also have ADHD to some extent (about 50% of ASD also have ADHD), and both disorders may kind of mask each other. You'll get someone with ASD who's more engaging than most people with ASD, and someone with ADHD who's calmer, more in controle than your average ADHDer.
But I see all of this in y dad. ASD traits (MASSIVE train enthusiast), ADD without hyperactivity but with impulsivity (lot of patience for building trains, none for anything else), and not much empathy which may come from either ASD or ADHD, and a BPD tendancy, totally dependent on my mom but sometime treating her like shit.
So maybe not a true BPD, but clearly aspects of it.
And as said in the video alexithymia as well.
There's a growing sense among the instagram/tik tok crowd that BPD is what happens when someone with extremely low support needs nuerodivergence is abused. What are your thoughts on this?
12:34. Wow! Really? I'm 32 and I feel a heck of a lot more grounded than I did in my early 20s when I was diagnosed. But recently as the BPD seems to be more or less under control if not gone, I realise I have trouble with executive functioning. I had ADHD for sure, that was diagnosed alongside BPD, but I've also come to suspect I may be on the spectrum as well. So now I'm trying to figure out how I can develop strategies to cope with the ADHD if not control it. I'm not able to start therapy specifically for ADHD yet so just looking into self help for now.... I am also somewhat convinced that I'm on the ASD spectrum, and I believe that I was born with ASD, developed ADHD (getting worse thanks to technology) and BPD is the result of complex trauma/ complex PTSD caused the the consequences of people not understanding me, gaslighting, and abandonment. I'm 32 and I've been through CBT, I'm pretty aware of my BPD brain and I think I've got good coping strategies but the ASD and ADHD I don't. But I feel as though by targeting those two, I can complete my recovery/ remission. I don't think the ASD will ever go away though.
What would be interesting would be to explore a situation of a person with BPD traits and a neurodiverse partner. Especially how they cope differently with crisis and how best to safely navigate their differences.
Mainly I say this is as it is probably my circumstance :)
This!
I very much isolate myself! I think I’m more quiet bpd that autistic (if you were to describe in ratios I’d be 2/3rd’s BPD and 1/3 Aspie.)
I want human interaction but I fear the hurt that almost always accompanies actually being close socially. A good example is when I see and hear people gossiping and talking crap on others they are supposedly friends with(I know they would do the same to me too) I don’t trust those types! I also never feel like I fit in, I refuse to conform for approval. I value abiding by my truths and values over compromising! I see most others don’t have as strong of a personal position. Maybe this trait alienates me. Idk.
I feel extremely uncomfortable in social settings. I feel I often get misinterpreted, and not feeling seen and understood hurts too. It further complicates everything that I had a super critical step father. He was kill your spirit mean and judgmental.
I think people avoid closeness even when they badly want to be close to others out of fear of rejection and disapproval. Almost like I’ll reject you 1st so u can’t hurt me. It’s not a helpful way to see the world.
We are the same😢
I wish us the strengh and the help to rewired our traumatized brain.
Oooooo I need to know this as I seek further testing
I have ASD 1 (formerly called aspergers) and I definitely did crave friendships for most of my life until recently. Im no longer able to keep up with adult social expectations so I'm not interested in making non asd friends anymore. It really only leads to eventual discard if they even give me a chance. My fiance is my best friend and I'm comfortable with that.
I didn't know I had asd until last year at 27. I was walking and talking faster than peers when I was a little. Classic or overt autism signs were not there with me for the most part so nobody caught it in childhood.
Forget the stock footage actors mimicking OMG extremes.
Looking that those levels of ASD, I doubt that I am even autistic.
I’ve noticed that I am open to experience, which isn’t a autistic characteristic.
However, I don’t make much eye contact. I only make eye contact when I’m angry, want to make myself fully clear or want to feel connected to others. I also have severe issues with violent and bleak rumination and overall get scatterbrained every now and then. Hell, what sets me off is more emotional in nature, such as failing at a task, reminders of my trauma, or having no sense of control.
I wouldn’t call myself socially inept. Once the get the ball turning I am fairly confident and can hold a conversation.
I wonder if I am misdiagnosed, I do relate to the diagnostic criteria for CPTSD. I’ve also heard for traumatised people eye contact is hard. Not 100% sure on rumination, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were related to PTSD symptoms.
I went for an evaluation for aspd because I had some suspicions. I walked on my tip toes as kid, never really sociable, picky eater, lack of eye contact, felt apart as a child, very hyper and responsive to stimuli to the point it becomes unbearable. The psychiatrist didn't rule it out but suspected in was more likely an attachment disorder. Didn't help that my mother didn't want to tell the doctor the truth because she feared that something would be wrong with me so she acted like everything was fine. So frustrating!!!
I think ASPD is short for antisocial personality disorder, though.
@@androgynylunacy correct! Very important not to get ASD confused with ASPD!
Dr. Fox, I have BPD and almost all of my friends have ASD. I have never met any autistic folks who have no desire for emotional closeness. I know that this video involved a lot of research and reading but I highly recommend interacting with more autistic people in real life if you have the opportunity. Perhaps folks with level one autism are overrepresented in my life and I am meeting the minority of people who do crave friendships and connection, but I cannot help but comment here that many folks with ASD do desire relationships.
I think many people are confused about what the full disorder of autism actually looks like, and they end up describing one or two aspects to an individual. I believe that this adds to the confusion associated with autism and its connection to other disorders as well. I wish you all the best.
@@DrDanielFox Thank you for your response to my comment. I generally love your videos because of the warmth and careful wording that I can tell you use to avoid stigmatizing your target audience. I'm sure you know that is something that is often lacking in the field when it comes to PDs. I sometimes send your videos to my friends struggling with BPD symptoms who don't have access to therapy. Personally, I love to learn about autism from autistic folks describing their experiences both verbal and nonverbal folks with autism put out so much content on platforms like tiktok it's really neat to hear the contrasts of the internal experience of autism vs. the external descriptions written in previous textbooks. Things like learning that what appear to be "repetitive purposeless movements" have a very important purpose of regulating emotions for autistic folks. Anyway, thanks for your videos and resources as well as this wonderful comments section.
My little brother has autism, very interesting talk this , gets you thinking definitely this
I'm not sure if I understood completely, Dr. Fox, but I'm currently being treated and I'm 40. I told my all my medical providers that I do want help because this has been a pattern all my life, however, because it was not noticed by others and I've been masking I think my treatment is like a band-aid and there is no cure.
I have BOTH Autism Spectrum Disorder AND Borderline Personality Disorder (Cluster B Personality). A psychiatrist diagnosed me, NOT a psychologist. I also have depression and anxiety. For my BPD, I had DBT to control emotional regulation and distress tolerance. I have high need for things to be the same: Same food, same texture and same flavour. I am only interested in few things and people have been asking me if I enjoy other things outside of what I currently enjoy doing. It's hard for me to find other hobbies because I only enjoy a specific activity and give most of my energy into it. I have been terminated from jobs for speaking directly and been seen as "disruptive" by people, I am very particular and need to know why and how things work and need things to be expressed explicitly because non-verbal and implied meanings are difficult for me to understand. I learn very slow and most employers prefer people who pick up things fast, which is a struggle for me.
I have been bullied and teased since childhood and my teenage years for having difficulty to follow steps and my manner of speaking and behaving that people find "weird". I always felt like an observer looking in. I do not interact effortlessly like neurotypical people because I need things to be explicitly explained to me and I tend to take things literally. I do have meltdowns when things become confusing, I am exposed to an unexpected situation and hear a lot of noise, like people talking at the same time. I avoid crowds and I hate noise from people, especially kids crying and kids noises. Also, I take medication for anxiety and depression daily. Without it, I cannot calm down and likely to be restless and easily triggered. My only message to people watching this video or several videos on the internet is to don't self-diagnose, always have a professional IN REAL LIFE to diagnose your condition. They have specific ways, tools and techniques, know the specific questions to pose and know how to measure and interpret your results based on your responses. Go to a medical doctor, because videos on UA-cam just gives you a shallow idea of what these disorders are and it could manifest differently from person to person.
I'm diagnosed with both BPD and ASD, as well as OCD, GAD, dyspraxia, and depression. It's so confusing trying to work out which of the many conditions I have is driving my thoughts, feelings, and behaviours. I often get the sense that the mental health professionals have even less idea than I do of how to understand me, let alone effectively treat me.
It must be incredibly challenging to navigate through all those conditions. Remember, you're not alone in feeling this way.
Ty Dr.Fox for your Videos. i spent most all my life in therapy. Which did not help , i have bo Faith in mental health Help.I am age 64 till April 6,2023.. i self Isolate alots,, i do go out with Safe feeling people.. i grew up in a Home with a Narc Mother. I am her oldest of 6. she had 4 girls 2 Boys. My Brother Bobby killed himself in 1993 .. our Life was always hard growing up. MOMS ALIVE shes almost age 82. she lives in Tn with my youngest Narc, step Sister and her husband. I live in North Florida.. my sister Kathy j am Very close to shes aged 60 lives jn Colorado wiyh her Adult Daughter Her husband and 3 sons. Kathys adult one Son Steve lives with them. Kathy has 4 adult kids .one daughter wrote her off a few years ago.. kathy has 2 adult girls two Sons.. i have a daughter age 46 and a sun 41.. i had two failed marriages before now. I was married 20 years to my sons father. I was married 3 years to my daughters dad we were ages me 16 him 19. my sons dad was my second marriage. I remarried in 1999. been married 23 years.. we have had our ups and downs.. he was raised by a narc Mother. his parents both now have passed away.. i too have a step dad almost Aged 90 lives with my only living Brother in Mississippi. Him Mom divorced a few months ago. They was married over 11 years. They had been with each other over 30 years.. Dad as i called him was married messing around with mom and others at the time..Mom was bad about sleeping with married men.. i remember that well. i as well was raped at age 6, threatened with a pistol. Molested from ages 9-11 threatened by my grandfather with a shot gun. He molested 4 girls. He was and Alcoholic, i grew up very messed up. About love and Sex .. and parenting. I did read books and went to church. Therapy did help me. Cope and Learn about Love compassion, Empathy, etc. Sorry to Ramble.. Ty Dr.Fox for Reading.. i could write a book.. sorry if i misspelled.. Jo Ann Cooper ,Troupe. NorthFlorida.Lake City,Fla
Could you please make a video about an autistic mother raising a BPD child? As we are trying to put pieces together of how I become bpd, my doctor suspected of my care giver suffered ASD. I’d like to hear your insight on this topic. Thanks